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Firebomber:
Don't mind them 😂😂


He's ashamed to use the word "invade" 😂 imagine taking over someone else land 😂

Invasion did not happen in the conquest of Jerusalem by Caliph Omar.
It was a bloodless take over.

timizeus:
You forgot to put the 'IF'. They are only allowed if they agree to live as 'Dimmi' and they pay 'Jizya' too. You forgot to read that part though. I was only giving you they full script.

And no blood was shed. And no oppression of the conquered people.
They were given the title of protected people (dhimmis) under the government of Islam with full right to practice their religion and continue in their ways. Of course they pay the Jizya also which is a far lesser fraction of their income than tithing.
What then is your point?

Kukutente23:
So how did he "take over" Jerusalem? Was he invited?

I have updated my post for this.

Which people and erase which Jewish history?
This op is simply myopic.

Look at the statement made by Caliph Omar when he took over Jerusalem.

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. This is what is granted of security by the servant of Allah, Umar, the commander of the faithful, to the people of Jerusalem. He grants them safety for their lives, their property, their churches, and their crucifixes, for their ill, their healthy, and their entire community. Their churches will not be occupied, demolished, or reduced in number. Their churches and crucifixes will not be desecrated and neither anything else of their property. They will not be coerced to abandon their religion and none of them will be harmed.
- Caliph Omar

And why did the Caliph Omar take Jerusalem?

It is a prophesy.
It was duly fulfilled in him. And the christians facilitated it.
That is why the key to the most sacred church (Church of the holy Sepulchre) in christianity remains with muslims till date.

And that is why the Jews of today (the zionists) not only fight muslims but also detest the christians with all passion. Though it is only the muslims who are standing up prominently to this oppression from the Jews.

So what then is the joy of a Christian Nairalander for, for God's sake? That an ordained prophesy is being reversed by people who have made money their god?

madridguy:
Islam and Muslims are not the problem of the world.

How will they understand?

Islam as the only religion that stands clearly against the ills of the world is the reason the capitalist and money worshipping west will not let it rest. As for christianity, it doesn't have a ground to be compared to Islam anymore because it does not stand for or against anything again: Man marries man, church blesses you. Woman marries woman, church blesses you. Pastor in sex scandals, his church is fuller the following week and on and on. Christians posture of "do not judge" is against Islam's "strict reward system plus the 'do not judge' factor as an extra". In christianity, room is given for everything. In Islam, it is stand (and be counted) against evil. This is essentially jihad. As a result, Islam will never and can never come under the Godless money system and the Godless money system realises this.

What the op and his team are doing is to make jihad appear like Islam tolerates rape or harming innocent people thereby placing a bad name tag on Islam when it is essentially identifying evil and standing against it in order to preserve the society and family. Islam doesn't permit the vices committed by this man, plus much more. Is it 'zina' (adultery and fornication) that will become permissible in Islam overnight or is it the harming of innocent people in their places of worship or elsewhere? When Islam clearly teaches:

Do not go near zina
- Holy Qur'an 17 32

Your Islam is not complete until people are safe from the harm of your tongue and hands
- Hadith

“... Do not kill any animal. Do not cut down a fruit-bearing tree. Do not demolish a church. Do not kill any children, old people or women. Soon you shall come upon people who have secluded themselves in cloisters; leave them to engage in that for whose sake they have secluded themselves”

- Caliph Abubakar

In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. This is what is granted of security by the servant of Allah, Umar, the commander of the faithful, to the people of Jerusalem. He grants them safety for their lives, their property, their churches, and their crucifixes, for their ill, their healthy, and their entire community. Their churches will not be occupied, demolished, or reduced in number. Their churches and crucifixes will not be desecrated and neither anything else of their property. They will not be coerced to abandon their religion and none of them will be harmed.

- Caliph Omar

What is the intention of a muslim for going to people's places of worship to harm them or even harming random people at all? May be the news reads better that way. Therefore, do not be surprised that the op and the terrorist are both in the employ of the system that is the problem of the world without them knowing it. The world has already seen how Ahmad Al Sharaa emerged in Syria and now dining with Trump.

What is painful is that it requires reading between the lines to know their antics and many people don't have the patience to do so. They even tell blatant lies sometimes on The Prophet when they feel no one is noticing to try and drive home some points.

The defining principle of the Prophet is:

"a white person has no superiority over a Black person, nor does a Black have any superiority over a white, except by piety and good actions"

And what is established in Islam is that even if a non muslim slave becomes a muslim, he is not freed until he buys himself out slavery or the muslim community come together to pay for the slave from his master and set him free. On account of this, the earliest muslims toiled so hard to get many (slave) arrivals into the fold out of slavery that cost many of them their entire fortunes. They truly sacrificed a lot (Allah be pleased with them and pleased they are with Allah). On top of that, the Prophet also put some many restrictions about muslims keeping slaves that it doesn't make sense to keep them as slaves for too long thereby becoming arguably the first human to break the yoke on slavery before other nations started championing the idea for full emancipation.

Please provide proof of what you say about The Prophet so you don't end up telling open lies about him.

CorrectionFLuid:
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As for slavery, Mohammed himself declared that the freedom of a (black) slave would only be considered if he converts to Islam. Note, it's not even assured o.

Show me anywhere Jesus gave such declarations.

CorrectionFLuid:
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I guess we should blame the ones happening in Nigeria, and practically all over the world on Israel too. SMH

I am not sure why you based your point on putting the blame only on Israel if we are to consider the hands pulling the strings. I mean Israel has got elder brothers. So the point of the Godless behind the scene workers is about Israel and her elder brothers.

Tendd:
People performing Baptismal mass in Niger Republic were shot recently by armed Muslims jihadists.Were the victims isrealis? Something is inherently wrong with some of you.

Those are the ones tendering their resume for the next deep state job.

All these terrorists that always have British or American linkage in their bio sometimes bearing screaming names and with a penchant for attacking soft targets which is totally against the doctrines of Islam.

We should not come and hear that another one of their successful ilks is handed a state to govern over in muslim land backed by their initial British or American ally o.

If you know, you know.

This larry elission na real o.g. for this list.
Has been around for a very long time. Always hovering around the top spot.
But avoids the spotlight.

Lol
Last last they folded.
When they saw that they were fast becoming the anti people union.

Good
Send them to your salt factory. They will soon realize their folly. No room for nonsense at the refinery..

Really?
I am surprised that Microsoft can do that.

That's why it's not good to write off somethings entirely. Always thought that the company had this anti humanity agenda.

Well let's wait to hear from the Dangote's side.

While Trump is trying very hard to protect America's top industrialists and innovators we want to kill our own. But the same signatures that will quickly point us to look at America as the saner clime are the ones here defending PENGASSAN all over the place.

It is well.

That's why women live longer than men. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

That's the American magic many NL members do not understand.
Thanks OP.

amazonguru001:
In as much as I resisted the urge not to add a word to this ongoing argument, but for the benefits of innocently minded Nigerians like you , let me educate you a little bit.

Unionisation is not compulsory. Workers who [sub][/sub]are willing to join the union, signify their intention to be part of the union by obtaining a form fill same and send an email to the union.

Does anyone who is compelled or forced to join an association obtain a form and fill it under duress ?

Union matters are not peculiar to our country.
Nigeria is not a stand-alone country. We are signatory to the international labour acts and a member of the international labour organisation (ILO) whose task is to seek and ensure that workers' rights and benefits are protected.

Dont be fooled by Dangote's theatrics. He, just like many employers don't mean well for their employees.
If not for the Union. Many workers would be treated as slaves. While the employers act like they are doing the workers a favour by paying them paltry salaries. Forgetting that the company exists, progresses and make profit because dedicated employees are doing their best to meet the company's set goals. Hence, it is a symbiotic relationship. And not one of master-slave.

Imagine where I work. I worked for 10 years, and I never had pension, my tax are deducted, and there is no HMO.

But the moment I and my colleagues joined the union, the Union had back and forth with the company, took the matter to the ministry of Labour, the company was reprimanded and told to do the right thing or be ready to argue their case in the court stating why they should not be prosecuted for not complying with the nations pension act.

The right thing is to pay workers pension contributions.
They immediately agreed and complied.

Today. Just 4 years after compliance to paying the pension , it will amaze you to know that my pension balance is sitting at 13M. This is just for 4 years oh.

Now I have retirement benefits, good HMO, nice take home and my tax are also taken care of by the compnay. All of which were non-existent in my over 10 years of pre-unionisation work years.

No doubt, the union (PENGASSAN & NUPENG, etc ) smile to the bank with members dues , but trust me, it is worth every penny they take from me.

Baba, forget all the cry of Dangote saying Pengassan/Nupeng is trying to sabotage the economy. Na wash.

Have you forgotten how Dangote refused to tell Nigerians how much he was selling fuel to NNPC when he first started production and NNPC was the only OFF TAKER.

The price was high.
Nigerias were crying. Asking him to tell us how much he sold to NNPC for NNPC to be selling at that ridiculous pump price to Nigerians.
For months. He refused. Not until Independent marketers decided to boycott him and keep importing saying, it was cheaper for them.

He sued the NNPC to direct the Independent Marketers to buy from him and not to import.
What is more monopolistic than this?

He was called to order and later withdrew the case.

As a way to fight back, he reduced the prices of all his products. So as to reduce the profit margin for the importers.
So this was possible earlier, yet he didn't do it. Lol.

Whatever price reduction you see today is being made possible because of the price war between him and the Independent marketers who themselves are greedy lots and evil cabals in the oil & gas industry

As a result, you and I. The ordinary Nigerians are the beneficiary of whatever cold war exists between them.

Trust me, if Dangote has his way, with his monopolistic tendency, then it's finished for the oil and gas industry.

In case you are not aware, this current union action was a result of Dangote sacking all his workers who are pengassan members.
You dont do that now. That's called work place victimisation.

Just like you are arguing. Union member is voluntary. As long as the workers are willing to, employers are expected to recognise workers' rights of membership of any legal trade union.

Without people being union members, when evil, Wicked and profit driven employers like Dangote swing their hammer against the workers, who would stand for such workers?

Just like in this case, you just wake up to see that you have been sacked for whatever reason. Especially for being a union member. Would you be happy if no one rises and stands for you.

What this means is, bread winners would suddenly lose their means of livelihood.
Families are plunged into poverty and, of course, consequently untold hardship.
This singular act adds to the unemployment rate, with the possibility of attendant increase in crime rate as human instinct for survival kicks in naturally. All because of Dangote's ill advised move, in his bid to make a strong statement to the union.

This is exactly what the union is trying to fight off.
You cant just wake up as an employer to sack your employees and then replace them with Indians.

Dey play.

Injury to one is injury to all.

You can never have a stand-off with the UNION, especially when it comes to victimisation due to union membership and expect to win.

Solidarity, forever.
Workers united can never be defeated .

FOR THE UNION MAKES US STRONG.

I think you are missing the main point here in that this issue is not one of a violation of an extant labour law and Dangote has not been found to violate any of the examples you stated in your place of work, that you used to build your points. That is very important. You cannot be punishing Dangote now for a perceived future offence that is yet to happen or which may not happen at all because it is on record that his staff are well paid through numerous awards even from other oil worker unions.

I agree with you on the pension funds though. Tinubu should do something about it to make it more accessible to contributors in other to navigate this his reform period. For example, workers should be able to take another percentage of their money say after another 5 years after the first one instead of locking everything up with the funds administrators.

nero2face:
thanks for educating those ignorant Nigerians who choose to take side with zero knowledge of what is at stake, I worked with Dangote group for 5yrs, if they allow him break the bond that guide oil and gas sector we will buy petrol for 5k b4 2027, Dangote is a good capitalist, he don't have our interest at heart, he MUST obey the law of the land, am fully in support of PENGASSAN for this one

You are just regurgitating what every hate-filled outsider is saying without showing concrete examples, as an ex employee of Dangote group, what practices he engaged in that would make him inordinately jerk up prices. Or is it the same cement jingles you want to repeat? You want the premium quality to cost lesser than the non premiums ones even though the price difference is only marginal?

TheBizGenius:
But is it that people here are not educated at all ni?

Someone is buying raw materials in Naira and sells finished goods in Naira too. He buys in dollars and is forced to sell in dollars too. He had already told you before that that's the policy he can cope with.

From this simple policy, you jumped to "He's a monopolist". How nahh?

You lots should be telling the federal government to keep selling raw materials to him in naira. Simple.

Abi? I don't understand you guys.

It's like you don't know how evil some Nigerians are? Blood doesn't run in their veins but hate. They are pained when goodness is being delivered in affordable measures to all.

This is economic sabotage on the part of PENGASSAN.
If I were the the president, I would order immediate arrest of their leadership.
Enough is enough!

A clear conscience fears no accusation.
Thank you Dangote for towing the path of reconciliation that will immediately benefit the masses.
Unlike the ominous cabals who are using unionism to front as pro people.

May the forces of evil not overtake our country Nigeria.
Dangote, may God help you to navigate this challenge and come out victorious.
Ameen.


Certainly, Nigeria's problem are Nigerians themselves: that deep-seethed and occluded hate sitting deep in our hearts against the success of one of our own.

And that is the best time to shut down critical production supply lines to our only working (private) refinery, at the moment, which has been proven to be a key component of the economic recovery that Nigeria has been witnessing in recent months because some vested interests, whose only specialty is to wreck working institutions through archaic unionism, want to keep doing things in the same old way that produced oil sector cabals, rendered comatose our national assets, engendered fuel smuggling and made the country bled forex.

Can that be regarded as a step that is being taken in the best interests of the masses?

You would think every christian is like the Netanyahu's disciples that are here on Nairaland if you focus on reading what they push to our eyes on a daily.

Disgrace dey await una. Shior!

Every right reasoning Nigerian out to be praying for Dangote at this point. Fuel price was coming down. So also was the dollar rate. All of a sudden this "something peng" wants to disrupt this recovery process by forcefully unionising Dangote's workers. We should not forget this timeline when things begin to nose-dive again.

By the time LG chairmen begin direct receipt of LG allocations from the federal government, na that time real frivolities go unfold.
This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Fiscus105:
I never read any of Arab nation doing this oooo, but they can give expensive aircraft for a president of the richest nation. Anyway they will prefer if they buy guns and ammunition instead.



Islam is somehow complex to understand.

It is not complex to understand my brother. This is how it has always been from day 1. The Prophet is always with humanity against capitalists and money worshippers. The alignments always tow this line. Interestingly enough, it is the capitalists and money worshippers that will show you the picture of Islam that they want you to see with their acquired might and state instruments.

Is this not the same fuel that Tinubu administration called inferior just to discredit the refinery that was licensed by PDP as part of the aborted 2012 deregulation policies?

The world is changing in our very eyes. The past leaders believe it's not possible for us to export refined oil to US and then Tinubu provided the free trade zone which Dangote acquired part of it for his refinery and Buhari"s administration somehow gave license to individual to refine petrol. APC hasn't been a saint but it's still better than PDP by miles.

Lol, as usual, time for paid party agents to start laying claims to the achievements of Dangote as the enabling factor.

These are the same people that Ahmad Gumi is posturing for because of possible policing contract when state policing takes off so that they can become beneficiaries of security budgets. The presidency should design the state policing security architecture such that people who have had terrorism linked to them are completely excluded. Empower the locals against them and they will become history in no time. The locals know them, their terrain, their contractors, suppliers, friends, relatives, wives and girlfriends.

Tinubu should go on with the state police policy reform and not be distracted with people trying to whitewash their evil to become overnight lovers of the people. When the people's security are placed into their own hands these terrorists will disappear naturally because they will not be able to stand a grass root security structure that is well funded by the federal government. So they want to become emergency lovers of the people all of a sudden?

And terrorist sympathisers are already scared because they know that they will be terribly exposed.

Lol!
But these are no kind words. It's going to hurt the first group.

Thank you ma for having the large heart to felicitate with people of diverse faith.

The people who want to institutionalise misguidance by banning what the Prophet never banned will never see the light of the day in Nigeria, insha Allah.