₦airaland Forum

babtoundey:
Please do. That Tao post is called "combative finishing". If you read it, you will vex efface your moniker from the face of Nairaland.

Tao11 yaf finished you!

TAO11:
What an interesting u-turn?!

You had said: Ife was the origin or root according to S. Johnson.

But then suddenly: Egypt was the origin according to S. Johnson.

What has suddenly changed?

Anyways, you're allowed to make up your mind before your next comment.

Moreover, do you still hold on to your ret@rded comment that S. Johnson was simply falsely uniting the Yorubas to Ife (or Egypt)??

And if you still do, then I still stand on seeing his page reference from where you read that he said he was only trying to falsely unite the Yorubas to Ife (or Egypt).

Or did you simply make this up again as usual? Lol.

You must be the dvmbest thing that has happened to the Edo-group.

Did you just say you're not discussing Oduduwa families but only his descendants??

How again do descendants come about without families? Only in Edoland I guess. Lol.

In a way, I like the fact that you're not smart. Otherwise, you would have since realized your mess.

For the umpteenth time, Oduduwa was not the only human being living in Ife.

He had contemporaries whom he ruled over. He had ancestors and parents. Gosh!

First of all, the whole of humanity past is only some 200,000 years old even according to science. [I thought I should leave this here as a side note to educate you on your repeated yapping of millions of centuries for only Yorubas].

Now to your interesting Oduduwa who had no ancestors, no parents, no contemporaries, no potential in-laws to marry from, no wife, no children, but somehow with descendants:

If I go by this kind of "Oduduwa" (which lives rent-free only in your plastic Edo head), then I am inclined to conclude that such "Oduduwa" will not even have any (Yoruba) 'descndants' even if he lives for quadrillions of centuries. Hahaha!

No that's not how it works in the real-world of sanity.

In the real-world of sanity, we don't "believe" others just because they've 'opened their mouths to talk'.

No! Instead, we agree with peoples' assertions when they prove what they say. You get the difference between our world and yours? Lol.

However, I must admit that the only exception to this is the Benin Kingdom where when the Yoruba-Oba of Benin talks, you Edo slave-subjects must nod along screaming out your lungs saying: "Oba gha to kpere"!

No proof is required there.

I am still patiently waiting for the page number of Johnson's statement from where you read that he wrote that Yoruba traditions before him never claimed common origin.

Or did you just make this up again as usual? Lol.

This too must be an interesting read. (mocking laughter).

You should always remeber to carry your evidence alongside your claims. This is Tao you're talking to remember. I am not an Edo. (mocking laughter).

First of all, no where does S. Johnson mention in his book that "all Yorubas were direct descendants from Oduduwa". Arm yourself with the relevant page number(s) if you must insist.

Secondly, in his listing of descendant Kingdoms from Oduduwa's, S. Johnson did not mention Oranmiyan (Oranyan) as Oduduwa's son. Again, if you must insist otherwise, then do so with your page number.

Lastly, the account of S. Johnson whereby he treated the King of Benin as one of the brother-princes from Ife have no root in Yoruba traditional accounts.

However, a little bit of reading reveals the source of this tradition which S. Johnson incorporated into his "The History". This account is from the Binis themselves.

The Binis themselves told Captain Roupell that "the [Edos] sent to Ife, in the Yoruba country for a King. [And] Eweka was sent to them".

On the conrary to this early, forced (but confused) desperate attachment to the Yorubas -- by the Binis -- the repeatedly consistent account of the Yorubas is that Eweka is Oranmiyan's son (born on Edo soil) who became the first King of Benin.

I will be overstating the obvious to say that you're an unteachable illiterate

The only shame I see here is on your Edo people.

They kept insisting to the Europeans that their Oba's ancestor is from Ife.

The Binin palace also admitted to Gallwey that all the Edo people are honoured to be considered and treated as slaves by these Benin Kings whose ancestors hail from Ife.

First of all, Oba EwekaII did not make any such nonsensical statement about your dead-beat Ekaladerhan.

Rather, Oba EwekaII informed H.L. Ward-Price in the 1920s that his Lord & God -- "Oghene" (in the flesh) -- is a 'Yoruba' King who lives in Ife even in the 1920s.

However, I understand that this Ekaladerhan thing is the genesis of all Edo pains and misery on Nairaland.

You all have been in pain from the day 1 that I've demonstrated how the attempted equation of Ekaladerhan as Oduduwa (by intimidated Edos in the 70s) is regarded in academia as an interesting nonsense.

Since then, you all have been fighting tooth and nail to pull a "we are going down together" stunt. LMAO.

Nope! No one is joining you in you gutter. Enjoy the sewage alone.

After all, I didn't force your people to publish a fabricated account in the 70s out of inferiority complex.

No where did I ask you to "beleive" me. This is not a religious discource. Lol.
I am only educating you to know what you didn't know.

(1) There are several (almost innumerable) Ijebu Kingdoms, not one.

(2) IjebuOde is only one of all these several Ijebu Kingdoms.

(3) All the Ijebu Kingdoms assert their ancient traditional accounts which recognizes Ife as the origin of their respective kingdoms.

(4) The only exception to these traditional account of Ife origin is NOT even IjebuOde.

(5) IjebuOde's traditional account also asserts Ife as its origin.

(6) The only exception then is the currently reigning monarch of IjebuOde.

(7) In fact, before this monarch was born, the ancient account of IjebuOde's IFE roots have been published into writing by the indigenous D.O. Epega in the year 1919.

RedboneSmith:
Lol. No one has asked him anything yet about going to Ireland. In fact, nobody has asked him anything at all yet, and you're already this triggered and foaming in the mouth.

You're actually the one who is mentally enslaved here. Your unprovoked aggression is actually you trying to overcompensate for how little and worthless you really feel. Tuck in your inferiority complex, oga.

Emilokoiyawon:
Fool. Hear him out first before opening your stinking mouth.

RedboneSmith:
Your unneccessary hostility towards a white person you don't even know stems from a deep-seated inferiority complex. Work on that.

I just thought I should tell you, since this comment seems to indicate that you consider people who don't carry around that hostility are "white worshippers".

TAO11:
Oduduwa had ancestors and contemporaries, in case you you're wondering that he was his own parents, married himself, and gave birth alone to his child, and ruled as king over Okanbi only.


Can you name the page number to the statement where he said he was only trying to falsely unite the Yorubas to Ife.

In fact to de-cloud you, the Johnsonian hypothesis does not claim Ife is the root or origin of the Yorubas.



Nope, that's false! The Ijebus do not say that. Rather, only one king (the reigning one) of only one Ijebu kingdom (IjebuOde) says that.

All the other innumerable Ijebu kingdoms assert Ife as their origin.

Even IjebuOde itself has its traditional account (centuries before the reigning monarch) claiming Ife origin.

But, guess what Oba S.K. Adetona is no historian. He is trained as an accountant.

He is only attempting to align with the Johnsonian hypothesis. The revered monarch is alone (+ you with him tho).


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Having said that, I am waiting on your proof that S. Johnson created/founded Ife.  

Also, always have the following in mind:

(A) Your everlasting enslavement to the Yoruba-Kings of Benin Kingdom.

(B) The homage of Benin Kingdom to its overlord -- mYtHiCaL Ife.

UndauntedYOCA:
Hi and welcome to Nairaland.
I've met a BMATT soldier who's Irish, he was nice and all but he had to leave.
Never been to Ireland, know little to nothing about the place and people save for the fact that your language is sort of difficult to read and pronounce ( I think it's Gaelic).
So, tell us how you Nairaland.
Are you ready to read many weird, fun and annoying things?
Do you have a thick skin should you get bashed (insulted) by a Nairalander?
Do you understand or speak pidgin? If you don't then how do you intend to understand what's going on here?
Do you have sense?
Do you know much about Nigeria and Nigerians?

UndauntedYOCA:
Why are you being racist? How would you feel if you were told to Bleep off?
I think you should learn to respect people irrespective of their religion, belief, race, skin type, tribe, gender and preference

Sparrow0:
You racist? Seriously?

TAO11:
Where did I say we're talking of Ogiso Igodo?


Having said that:
I am waiting on your proof that S. Johnson created/founded Ife.  

Also, always have the following in mind:

(A) Your everlasting enslavement to the Yoruba-Kings of Benin Kingdom.

(B) The homage of Benin Kingdom to its overlord -- mYtHiCaL Ife.

TAO11:
(1) Nobody said he gave birth to his own parents and ancestors.

Attach your evidence if you insist otherwise.

I will force sense into your thick skull.

(2) I thought you had anything that looks like evidence to flog you with.

Invest your time into history books instead of Edo blogs.

TAO11:
(1) Began in about the late-10th century A.D.

I have answered you on this again and again.

You keep going in circles.

Now I am your evidence!

(2) Also, waiting for your proof that S. Johnson created/founded Ife.



Anyways, always remeber the following:

(A) Your everlasting enslavement to the Yoruba-Kings of Benin Kingdom.

(B) The homage of Benin Kingdom to its overlord -- mYtHiCaL Ife.

N3cR0mAZc3R:
Your an idiot for spewing that trashy statement outta your mouth bro.

Flattino oloripelebe

TAO11:
Like I said, evidence is what I ask for.

I didn't ask you to flood my mention with tears.

TAO11:
See ovean of tears.

Yes, throw out all the Benin aRtIcLeS that says he is the last Ooni.



Having said that, see below:

(1) Your everlasting enslavement to the Yoruba-Kings of Benin Kingdom.

(2) The homage of Benin Kingdom to its overlord -- mYtHiCaL Ife.

TAO11:
(1) Edo slave passing off Edo blogs as academic material on history.

(2) Your Oba died in 1578, yet -- in your plastic mind -- he is the founder of Dahomey Kingdom (1625)

(3) No wonder you are thick-skulled. Desperate Lagosian wanna-be. Shame!

(4) You better strive to be regarded as a free-born, even in your Edo state.

I spit on every Edo-slave of the Yoruba-Oba of Benin Kingdom.

Minsk24:
Racist idiot

JiggeryPokery89:
Hello Narialand! I am from Ireland. What do you guys think of Ireland/Irish people? Have you ever been here?

TAO12:
I thought you had a reply.

Not knowing it's just tears as usual.

TAO12:
On the imagined cOnQuEsT:

(1) One of your slave-bretheren (gayboy) admitted that it existed only in the imagination of your Edo fore-parents.

(2) Another of your slave-bretheren (Etinosa) pretended to have evidence until he was so squashed that he had to flee for dear life.

(3) But in your own case, you strongly belief in the ret@rded idea that empty repitition = proof.

You're obviously the dumbest of all the aforementioned slaves. You eventually overtook gayboy in ret@rdation.


Anyways, enjoy the following words in the meantime:
"The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people ... are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons ... the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, ..."

gregyboy, you haven't answered my question: Ife, according to you is mYtHiCaL (whatever that means), yet all the Obas of Benin -- including the reigning EwuareII -- pay homage to Ife on their respective ascensions.

Does this not prove that all the Obas of Benin are schizophreniac??

davidnazee:
So you mean it was the Yoruba Oba of Benin that conquered your Awori tribe in Eko?

TAO12:
(1) Why does Benin continue to pay homage to a mYtHiCaL non-existent Ife?? Ask Ewuare!

(2) Having said that, Erediauwa said that Benin was founded by its first Oba.

He added that this Oba was given birth to by the Supreme God Almighty as his last-born son >

But he forgot to mention the name of God's wife whom this mythical founder was born through.

MythicalBenin -- first made-up by Erediauwa.

TAO12:
But in any case:

Thank you for continuing to admit the fact that you (as an Edo) are a slave (by default) to the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

Thank you for admitting the fact that he is not one of you -- that is, for admitting that he simply came, saw, and conquered

TAO12:
Thank you for admitting the fact that you (as an Edo) are a slave (by default) to the Yoruba-Oba of Benin.

Thank you for admitting the fact that he is not one of you -- that is, for admitting that he simply came, saw, and conquered.

TAO12:
In every ancient culture of the world, the king is shown respect, and almost literally worshipped.

However, default enslavement is another ball game completely. You can't white-wash that!

No king (who is of same stock as the people) regards same people as his slaves in such a default manner as the Yoruba-Kings of Benin regard their Edo subjects.

This speaks to one fact -- that is, the Obas of Benin are from a different paternal ethno-linguistic stock (Yoruba), while their subjects are from another ethno-linguistic stock (Edo).

In fact, it is not simply the people who merely lowered themselves, rather it is the royal right of the Yoruba-King of Benin to abuse his Edo subjects. It is he who must regard them as his slaves wether they like it, or they like it.

Refresh your mind again:

"The royal right of abuse seems to have survived to the last days, for Gallwey (p. 129) mentions that “the Benin people ... are treated as slaves by the king, the title of king's slave being considered an honour." We have seen above that for different reasons ... the mass of the people were practically slaves to the king, ..."

This documentation points again to the same historical fact I've proving severally to the effect that, while the subjects and commoners are Edos, their Kings (from Oranmiyan/Eweka till date and forever) are Yorubas, and they must always seal their ascension rites at certain sites in Ife.

The truth itches.

Emilokoiyawon:
All these your rantings are irrelevant. We agree Bini/Edo is an inconsequential village. We agree it has a shadow (however tiny). You are yet to show us the STRONG. Where is the village strong?

Bini/Edo is a tiny, impotent village that can never be a country. Stop disgracing yasef. Kee yasef and have peace of mind.

Emilokoiyawon:
Kee yasef. Because your tiny impotent Bin/Edo village can never become a country...impotency is a big problem for you.

Emilokoiyawon:
Keep kwayet. None of these rantings will make your Bini/Edo village into a country. Kee yasef.