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sparog:
Blah blah blah


What happened to second chances?

Even God gives as many chances as possible

Dont you already know the school is for buisness purpose and not for religious purpose so they save thier school

And please advice your daugther to thesame my school university will forgive her

naijacentric:
Yeye people more like protecting their business brand not emulating Jesus.

Dont you know church is a buisness centred goal....why the fuzz

As for me the church did the right thing expelling her if it not it will ruined thier school legacy...

MetaPhysical:
It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. [s]Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. [/s][s]Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.
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[s]In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.

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Itsekiri was the middle men confirmed by benin historian and the itsekiris were under the benin directive economically...
And they Reverend the oba ....
Homages were paid by the itsekiris
Even before the fall of benin by the British the itsekirs informed benin to be alert
And the oba had requested for the son of olu of itsekiris to reconqure akure when his own warriors failed....
And he was given a parcel of land at ologbo...

MetaPhysical:
It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance [s]because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.

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I was believing untill you reached those part

MetaPhysical:
Does Itsekiri pay tribute to Bini?

Dont just answer, attach good reference to your response.

Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....

MetaPhysical:
Im very clear on what im saying. You have problem with grammar and word usage.

When you say Itsekiri is part of Bini Kingdom, you are giving the idea that Bini is the overlord of Itsekiri.

If thats not what you mean then use proper expressions to communicate ideas and stop mumbling.

All traditionally sword bearing monarchs take their root from Ile Ife. They are all dynasties of Oduduwa.

Some of them also have spin offs but majority are "independent".

Independence means, politically, they are not part of their parent dynasty....even when fraternally they are a single blood line.

So express your ideas with clarity, not the nonsense you have been writing about Esan and Edo piloting war boats or Itsekiri being part of Bini.

Olu Itsekiri is bloodline of Omo n'Oba who in turn is bloodline of Ooni....but each is independent of the other.

Ooni is from the bllodline of omo n oba
Benin ruled over itsekiri and the monarch is of benin hereditary so stop fighting yourself....
The itsekiri lend benins is warrior during war and paid tribute to Benin...

So what are trying to prove here

Osagyefo98:
I said take time.

Osagyefo mean in benin God doesn't end

You're claiming igbo but you bear edo name

Osagyefo98:
Take your time and stop writing Nonsense.

You see your name sound edo


Osa=( benin) god

immhotep:
Rumor mongering
And please tell us what "Dike Oha" means in Edo language.


Very similar to the Igbo spoken in Delta, Anambra, Imo, Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi

Igbo amaka.

Benin ruled and influence the igbos too

immhotep:
Tell us the meaning of "Dike Oha" in Edo language.
We are waiting. . .

Cc lzaa gmbuharii

Haha....thats is an igbo language they are currently and recently trying to adopt

The ikwerres are originally edos who were later influenced culturally and linguistically by their igbo neighbours...

Ikwrres = i agree
Ikwe( Benin) i agree

Chidorx60:
Lol...that's by the way I love culture from around the globe whether its my mine or from around another part of the world apart from the idolatry element of culture the rest are OK with me.....for now Merry Christmas in advance

Thanks and same to you

immhotep:
Bros this is not Domination.
Ikwerre is Igbo.
Igbo is Ikwerre.

Igbo amaka.


Cc lzaa gmbuharii

Ikewere are edos....

Chidorx60:
gregyboy...one question are you Benin or Esan..to be honest the Esan migrant have always maintained the family relationship with Edo calling them Odion meaning our seniors ....even during festive songs the Oba is always prayed for in his salutation.... Even mere things like vegetables are made to connect with Benin like waterleaf which Esan call (ebe.na hoho rere vedo) which means the leaf brought by wind from Edo.....but it sad that ill treatment we get from Benin people.....its almost like stigma being Esan in Benin community..... I'm schocked the way Benin people hold to grudges that results from quarrels among our ancestors...... Benin should realise that people are people and their tribe doesn't account for their personality whether good or bad

Everyone gets the bashing too if you see an edo insulting esan you should smile and dont frown at it because if dna test is taken between edo and esan there would be no difference in thier dna.....so any benin insulting esan is literally insulting Benin's, because benin and esan are one with just language difference and little cultural differences
Even the yorubas insult themselves too same as the igbos they insult themselves too .And nigerians calls we benin jujulist....
The esan are the real true brothers who will go any length to defend benins behind thier backs but a benin man wouldn't do thesame because of its pride but behind the pride he knows they are one
The other part of edo are very mixed and they are mostly mixed with few benin heritage so we dont count them as Benin's

And i am benin full bloded Benin

MetaPhysical:
Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.

Itsekeris was not part of benin kingdom but its kingship is benin ....
Are you not fighting yourself on this statement


You're trying so hard to twist history you will only end up biting yourself....

I gave you so many instance were Benin could migrate over seas buy instead you re still fighting yourself to the extent you said itsekiris were not part of benin kingdom

Are you aware the oba of benin requested a very powerful son of olu of itsekiris to reconquer akure....and the oba gave the son a land in benin as gift after the war

Loladearewa01:
Really. It's like you speaking through me. I always run away when I see people to avoid small talks. My room is locked 247 to worsen things am into freelance I.T so I work from home

I was once an introvert and left handed while i was little but my family played a role in changing them ....
I became this talkative person to avoid bashing from my family members they saw it as a sickness that needed to be cured from me now ,i talk so much and i have seen the result of it ....getting yourself hurt by peole who , i would have naturally never had talked to....
But the introvert in me didnt just die ...
Now i switch it on and off both my introvert and extrovert nature ...
I am good at it...switching them on when it necessary but gradually i feel the introvert nature in me is beginning to take its place ...once again
In my hostel in school, my hostel colleagues sees me as introvert while in class they see me as extroverted persons
And i could be so very introvert if i want to be but i noticed the introvert nature is a strong ego that controls the extrovertic mature when you switch it on often....

You can work on yourself ...and learn to switch both on when necessary

Loladearewa01:
Mmmm 1 bottle of beer for you. I have started forcing myself to go out

Ladies would come who like you just the way you're ....
And they will try to gain your attention and even raise conversation with you without you starting it ....

But i still will tell anybody try to improve on your imperfections it will give you a wider range of ladies

sajb:
I served in Benue state and the tiv people have got a great cultural heritage.....
You can always identify them in their beautiful striped black and white attire...
The tiv people are indeed beautiful people..

A tiv man spoted

Chidorx60:
Two things are not right with your post... The Esan did not defeat Benin by mere cunning the Benin warriors attested to the fierceness of the Esan warriors and plus Ozoula or Ozoula's head was buried in Esan land infact there is a given name for this occurance ..if I am not mistaken at ukoni in present day Uromi.....even the British colonisation attested to the brunt of the Esan warriors...Benin took 21 days to fall..but Uromi took 46 days to conquer pls do the maths....

You're absolutely wrong history has to be said correctly esan are benins and benins are esan so why twist history to favour thesame people because we have different names..

I have read the esan edo history it showed that Benins did more than migrating to the esan areas ,esan was more like the second home for the Benin people the benins married from the esan people especially the royals ,benins constantly migrated to esan areas throughout the empire ....and the real esan are Benins too
It was true the esans were even stronger than the benins in miltary ...and the benins had to bring the esans under its control through diplomacy....

I see esans as Benin's
But for the other part of edo i dont even regard them as edo not to say benin....

Esan where good in military tatics
Benins were good in administration

But benin history with no doubt attest to the fact that esan refused to honour its bargain and thats why the benins statement which says never trust an esan man
Do u think the statement pop out from no were ,yes our oba was killed by esan enojie ,after several years of endless war and suddenly the obas who refused to die was now killed if it was not a plot that the warriors ploted and the esan refused to honour thier own part

MetaPhysical:
I dont care what your source is.

Let's start with the first lie....that Esan was an amphibian force and played major role in aiding of Oba of Benin in the conquest of Lagos.

I say Esan was never a seafarer. So how did you become a naval force...much more an amphibious attack unit waging war across waterways?


Clarify your position on Esan being a naval force before we discuss anything else.

Hmm is like you are asking how did the edo migrate to present day delta state and how they managed to crooss the river ,is like you are also asking how edo fought the igalas and how they crossed the river niger,

Nigga take a chill pill if edos didnt make boat they could buy boat or canoe from people who did....
And they could also use spiritual means to calm the water for easy passing
The edo people were very conversant with the europeans who brought boat at thier arrival so i wonder with all this you still asking....
The itsekiris were part of the benin empire and they produce most of benin war equipment the flags ,boat ,canoe

MetaPhysical:
You failed to articulate the history and its roots that places Esan or Edo as having footprint in Lagos.

If you have such history of fact please share here.

Its all in the post if you will open your mind to see...the post was not wriiten by me but
Edo historian i didn't plan to cause any debate but to show the benin- esan relationship
So if you're taking it for debate ...
Because the article simply said the truth then you could bring evidence that edo never influence lagos

Mind you i have seen an ondo lady ,who speaks Yoruba and i ask if she is yoruba she said no that she is benin that her ancestors migrated to ondo before pre colonial era but they still retain thier benin greetings to show they are edos

MetaPhysical:
On the issue of names in Lagos.

Idu is a prefix that is widely used in Yoruba language. I give few samples.

Idu-ro
Idu-nu
Idu-mu

These Idus are Ife lexicon. In places further South of Ife the use of Ido as prefix is common. The two- Idu and Ido are same.

Benin is a product of Ife. Its cults were also of Ife.

What is meaning of Idu/Ido in Yoruba?

It is the expression of state of being and it is relative to motion. So that when a body is at rest, relatively it is not in motion. Idu/Ido is used to express that state of inertia.

Idumota- Idu+imota
Idushagbe - Idu+ishagbe
Idutafa - Idu+utafa
Idumagbo - Idu+magbo
Idumoyinbo - Idu+oyinbo
Iduoluwo - Idu+oluwo
Iduganran - Idu+iganran


Each of these locations were the resting places of cult shrines.

Idushagbe for instance was the shrine temple of Ogboni cult and houses a particular covenant of Malaki and Ejilu, two principals of Orisha Adimu.


Idumoyinbo was a later addition and when a shrine was created after invasion of Lagos by white colonialists.

These shrine centers became settlements and communities with time. Nowadays no one even associates them as cult settlements originally.

This practice of travelling with cults for settlement is not unique to Benin settlers in Lagos. The firat settlers, and original owners, the Aworis have a similar trajectory after they left Ife. They built shrines for their cults in Lagos. One of them is Elegba. When you hear Ojuelegba you take it to be a metro community, but in its origin it was a shrine center where the Awori priest would go to pay homage to Elegba.


We origins of Lagos have kept quiet for too long and allowed foreigners to lay stupendous and fabulous claims to a city from where your captured forefathers were bound into ships and ported out. Now we have to listen to descendants of slaves tell us they own Lagos. Thats an error, Lagos was a market that sold Esan forefathers off into slavery.

As long Im here Im going to fight you guys back from your frivolous bullshytes.

Benin is the only class with footprints in Lagos, and itself a scion of Ife Kings.

Edo and Esan bullshytes should be directed Eastward into the jungle of Iboland....you will find your connections there.

Haha....no need to argue ...

The post had said it all

Idumota = center of road
Eki= market

No matter how you try to twist it history cant be written we will continue telling the truth on the history and it pains you so much we minorites ruled over western yoruba....
Then try to make a better history for yourself while you guys have the upper hand....
The size of your population does not matter..in achieving greatness
We ruled over ife and the entire yorubas

The custom is stupid ,buhari is stupid is supporters of the border closure policy they are stupid too even more stupid than the buhari

The policy was never meant to stay it was meant to enrich is fulani betheren who are into rice farming it just happened to have favour the rest nigerians who are into rice farming too
The fools who are supporting the policy we will be here to type rip after a failed surgery to remove your appendix ..... I bet buhari would sponsor your health bills during the surgery....

As for the common man who is feeling the terrible policy...we will go through it soon they will be forced to open it since the policy was ever meant to fail from beginning
How would the idiot just close down the border's without setting up necessary facilities, instead he rushed to close the border's and intend to feed us with Stone's
As rice...and to make it worse, he increased the price too...at the end of the day he will finally push Nigerians from eating rice the same farmers he is planning to favour would Begin to complain Nigerians are no longer eating rice" then they will want to sell it to benin republic then karma will then dance into play

In the war between Uzea and Benin in the 16th Century when Ozolua was Oba of Benin, two then very powerful and competing monarchs lost their lives. Onojie of Uzea was beheaded and the model of the bust of his head is cast and preserved in the Benin Museum till date. As a reprisal, the soldiers of the slain Onojie of Uzea went after the Oba and killed him at Uromi. This version is supported by Dr Okogie’s account.

A Benin version by Professor Egharevba, has it, understandably out of pride preservation, that it was not the Uzea or Uromi warriors that killed Ozolua but the betrayal of Ozolua own soldiers who were weary of the many wars of Ozolua. Bottomline was that Oba Ozolua was killed and buried in Esanland.

The original word, after the death of Ozolua, was “Esan Gbe Edo” meaning “Esan defeated Benin”. This even became family names and lasted for many years until Benins restored diplomatic relationship with Esans when they needed the Esan war machines to conquer their enemies and acquire new lands overseas (across the Benin river, note that Benin were hitherto forbidden to cross the sea out of Benin City for fear of slaves excaping) in the reign of Oba Orhogbua who had Esan connections (It is believed his mother was Esan) and used Esan, mostly Uromi/Uzea, warriors and sailors in his expansionists campaigns overseas (Delta, Akure, Eko and Dahomey).

You will notice that although it is said that Benin conquered and founded Lagos in the time of Orhogbua, but the soldiers who actually did the founding of Lagos were led by Generals Isidahomey and Agba of Uromi and mostly Esan and Urhobo soldiers raising the Benin flag. That explains why the socalled Edo names noticed in Lagos are actually Esan names; Eko (Lagos), Idumu (Idumagbo(Idumu-Igbon), Idumota, etc), Ogba (Garden), Eki (Yorubas later corrupted it to be Ile-Eki or Lekki which was where slaves were sold), Ido (means stones – Benins calls stones Ugbe, not Ido or Udolo – where they found rocks), and other names.

At this time, during the expansionist period of Oba Orhogbua, both Esan and Benin people decided to bury the hatchet and restore their ancient fraternity. It should be noted that in reference to Benin here, what is meant is the area where the Oba is which is today Oredo LGA. That was the Edo and all others including other areas which speak Benin language where Isi (the same as Ekpoma, Uromi, Ewu, Iguobazuwa, Orhionmwon, Ovia, owab, etc.

Then came the truce period, the Treaty of Peace, which Esan calls ‘Ukoven’, which was done and sealed by planting the Ohimi trees, what may be today at Ewohimi, and they pledged, on the Ohimi Oath, “Esan I Gbedo” meaning “Esans would no longer attack Benin”.

One thing that could be deduced here is that Esan people were warriors and mighty in battle. They however consider themselves as a part and parcel of Benin but never servants or slaves but royal part and stake holder in the development of Benin. Most Esans left Benin in the time of Ewuare whose policies were insensitive and unreasonable. The warriors in Benin and nobility left the kingdom for Ewuare to go found their own kingdoms.

LifeQuest:
That you read an Edo account does not validate your point. You need to compare many accounts before you can conclude in modern scholarship. QED

And many account says

The yorubas think they can use thier poularity to spread lies never ....

As populated they could be thier ifa couldnt pick amongst them to elect as the ooni he had to pick ekaladeran from benin to rule over them....

Benin is divine

RedboneSmith:
The simple answer to this question is No.

The tradition that the Esan were people who fled from Benin in the time of Ewuare (15th century) oversimplifies a more complex picture. The Esan area was well-settled by the 15th century. Ewuare's policies may have produced exiles who fled into the Esan area but they met well-entrenched aboriginal people there.

They probably meant fewer aborigines ...
Which made edo people dominate

Chidorx60:
The largest population of the modern day Esan ancestry migrated from benin during the reign of Ewaure 1,although its probable that the Esan conquered the original settlers on the Esan lands ,but they were much more populated than the aboriginal settlers...

Benin's influenced was not always enforced in war for example when Oba Ozoula the son of Oba Ewaure wanted loyalty from the Esan capital of Uromi...Agba nojie who was the second king of uromi rejected it and war broke out.....this was during the Uzea war and during this war....the Esans prevailed over Benin and as such Oba Ozoula was beheaded by Agba the king of Esan land and Ozoula was buried in uromi......but Agba had to vanish because no one kills the Oba and lives to tell of it....the forest were Agba entered and vanished is still in uromi to this day and no king in uromi dares enter that forest...it is called Awojie...literally meaning the place of the disappearance of the king...it was after this war that the Edo and Esans made a treaty of peace and Esan was recognized by the Oba as a sovereign state and the Esan even lended the Benin soldiers during wars....
During the war the Esan battle cry was Esangbedo(Esan fights Benin) but after it they changed Esaniegbedo(Esan do not fight Benin)

D defeat of the benins happened because there was a plot setup by the benins to the esan to find a way to end the benin and esan endless war, between the enojie and ozuola....
The benins warrior told the esan how to kill ozulua through its weak point and the esan vice versa ...
The esan went behind to inform the enojie of the plot ...
And after the enojie killed ozulua he finshed as instructed by his soldiers into the forest....and was never found ...
Benin went home with the body of ozulua to bury him and they inform benin of the defeat....

The sentence by the benins “ if you see an esan and a snake kill the esan man first before you kill the snake" this sentence was coined because of the esan cunny atitude when they went behind to inform thier king of the plot....

The esan sentence " esan gbedo " essn has defeated edo after the death of ozulua
And a peace treaty was made by both party to end furthet war
Esanigbedo" esan wont defeat benin anylonger ...

LifeQuest:
This is not likely because there were kingdoms closer to Benin other than Ile Ife such as Owo, Akoko, Oke Ondo and Ogotun and Ire ( in Ekiti) Kingdoms. All these kingdoms were elus as at the time of Ife confederation. If a prince would run away, it could have been the closest kingdoms.

And who told you ...edo didnt stretch is influence over those areas .....

This oduduwa history according to benin historical dating it happened around 9ad
It could be the route oduduwa took was still a virgin unoccupied by people or probably he had seen people on the route ...but decided to wonder further...and he found favour when he set is foot on ife ...hadn't been he wasnt made king in ife he might still had migrated further

Oduduwa was simply a lost prince from benin who had a warm welcome by the ife people ,because of his royal and heavenly looking edo regalia
so they easily mistook him for the god prince they had along been waiting for. in thier historical prophecy....
They saw his magical skills and made him king....
. thats why the Edo's have this saying edo o dion meaning edo is senior.....

DarkJeddi:
Humans have ALWAYS been lovers of themselves,since the BEGINNING of time..

I disagree men have always been haters of themselves

So they bleach ,tan ,surgery and after all that they still not satusfy

Are the esan of edo originally benins...?

There was a post earlier on facebook on esan platform that the enojies of esan disputed the fact that esans were originally benins, who had migrarated to the present day esan land in edo central.
That the esan weren't originally benins and that the benins at thier arrivals meant aboriginal settlers at thier various location
The enojies in esan land ,admitted to the fact that they were settlers in esan land before the mass migration of the benin people which had happened during the ewuares reign...when he declared strict laws against sex, trading and farming in benin, after the death of his two sons ,which led many of the benin royals and commoners to flee to the various esan areas and at thier arrival, they meant settler's already in thier various location and they suppressed them, and later rule over them....
And this fact were also said to be true by the other various part of edo state, that the benin were never the original settlers of those various edo towns in edos state and that benins were migrant who had meant settlers and subdued the people they meant there.
They also made reference to the fact that the true benin settlement in esan lands is t "igueben" that speaks the same language with benins and practice the same culture as the benins People

Could this also be true from other areas who claim origin to benin outside edo state....?

The post made me realised that the original Benin's were original very few, despite the various migration that occur
but how they ruled their neigbours who were more than them in population still amuse me ....till today
If the Benin people were very few how come they literally influenced thier neighbouring states without stress....?