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fatymore:
It depends on your choice. Some are wealthy and likes a full house while some are struggling and would prefer 2 with lot of spacing.

Sometimes it isn't even about the money


The stress is usually when they are still young but believe me when they start working and of age, and they start calling you iya professionals and your children are doing well, you will be fulfilled and happy and forget all the stress.

Either 2 or 6 may God give us the strength to take care of them and reap from our work

I like a full house, so I am going for 3 at least and four at most.


But hubby says 2

Agree with him ooh nor go do passs yoursslf na him won foot the bills not you

James39:
do you think having 2kids keeps you away from the harsh economy? Or do you thinks its everyone with many kids that's poor? Me I just can't takeb2 children. Call me whatever you like. Its my life and my decision

Like I said as for me ooo either maximum or minimum its 4kids.

When you know how to play your cards well. You will understand my own point

Last last one of your pikin go sue you for bringing him to life ...
Abi e fit use you for ritual
Oga take advice for is too much even if you have all the money in this world
3 should be maximum children nor be food

cbrass:
Owo is different from Iwo.. Stop trying to twist things, you people can continue to lie to your selves but we all know the truth about Obaship in Bini..

My friend am not making a mistake a quick goggke search will stoo this embarrassment you kept yourself....

uninspired07:
I know this my thread might get some people angry but it’s a subject that surprises me whenever I think of it. How do normal Nigerians who are educated have more than 2 children in a country like Nigeria with all the poverty & hopelessness? I am still single but I have it in mind to lay a ground rule that whichever woman I marry must agree to family planing methods after the birth of the 1st child whether male or female. And if the 1st baby is male, we can as well wait for another 5 years before having a baby of either sex as the last.

But I wonder when I see Nigerians that are not so wealthy giving birth to 4 - 5 kids in the midst of grinding economic depression and in a nation that has clearly failed. Don’t these Nigerians know that the country can descend into war anytime due to the instability that is so palpable? I get afraid when I see couples who have 4 children in this day & age so I always wonder how they are coping with the stress & the bills. I also wonder why they are not afraid of Nigeria.

Visit delta state and see it has a norms there

An urohobo woman in edo died recently giving birth to 8 child she died after delivery because she lost too much blood tge husband didnt have money to buy her blood she died in the process the eldest of her children is in his teen....
Shit is really happening and we need to keep pushing it news like this to people since the government wont help

What a wasted effort

Our soldiers are now feeling like celebrity fighting boko boys nigeria government should just give the boko boys one local government in borno [/b]is not much they arr asking for instead of wasting lives and weapons to get rid of them ahich they have done over years and are still failing

[b]Boko boys don't like when nigeria soldiers are forming celebrities ontop thier matter they will retaliate by killing more the real celebrities are the boko boys to hold the full nigeria military down over the years...

Modify: who noticed the soldier got a dick head maybe that's why boko had not killed him since the dick head of his still amazes the boko boys when they see him in battle
The boko boys have now kept our military busy so they can upsurge power

I think this over population thing is peculiar with the niger delta tribes especially when all tribes are trying to dominate in population to control allocation and secure oil companies bsnefit

If you go to delta state you can see this glaring without taking a deep look

Delta state population is two times edo state population and they have nothing tangible than only population

I thank God the op had admitted some of the fact the benin people lay claims on

Oduduwa falling from the sky have always been debated by the benin people the Benin with a well documented history have always mainted oduduwa was not a sky diver or a Wonderer from Mecca but a banished Prince from benin....

The world oba was madd popular by the benins to the yorubas as stated by the o.p since all kings had their original title
So i wonder why they will take oba from obatala to represent king why didn't just take the full name fo represent king as a general term for king....i thank the o.p for clearing that fact

Olowo of owo havinv the oldest palace in yorubaland also has its monarchy from benins ,

Oba kha to kpere

Ise!!!!

AdioGunner:
Hello Nairalanders,
I have this issue with my Girlfriend which I'm Worried About , Every time we go out or Meet up at some place, I'm always shy to Walk with her Or hold her hands in Public Anytime I try to do so it won't last up to 5 secs ,it'll be as if I'm suffocating till the point that she noticed about it and complained Even When Walking Together we don't get so close together .
It's not as if I don't Love her ,I Love her a lot , but this issue bothers me a lot, she has no deformity ,And she's very Beautiful if it's that, But I don't know what's wrong with me,on her own end she likes To hold me Hug me even Cuddle in public and when she tries it with me ,I get Scared and Kind of Embarrassed. I know I'm a Shy guy tho, but I can't take this anymore .
Please Any advice on what I can do before I lose her on lack of affection?
Insults Are Allowed Cause I know You guys would do so .
Thanks .

Invite me to teach you how to hold your babd

ajl:
I will rather deal with that. So you love being enslaved by a white man than one of your kind. It's your types that would choose to buy from a white-owned business even if there are better products offered by an African. Colonized mind. Your masters are waiting for you in Paris and London.

I would rather go for the best product regardless of race....
Race ,tribe is nothing compare to humanity

So Because they are my race then i should accept thier slavery on us or keep quite you're simply a rascist, if your type gets to power u will be busying fighting the white instead of helping your people...
The french has even done better than the fellow black leaders they have had so far thump up to them

I hate rascist like you , humanity should rule

ajl:
Another slave mentality. Be a man! You are created with all you need to stand on your own. Why not do that?

You're the one mentally slaved because you're not talking about the slavering our black leaders are putting their own black people

musicwriter:
Yet, most of you yell "conspiracy theory" when told that white people are not done enslaving Africa.

Shouldn't the national will of the Francophone African countries be how to liberate themselves from the grip of France on their CFA? How is that people who said they're educated can easily switch from one slave system to the other?

This's why I've lost respect for anybody on the African continent because I see nobody to respect. There's nobody living and thinking on the African continent at this time.

Can't the ECO be pegged on gold price or the Chinese Yen or even the South African Rand? Why always Europe, the same people known to enslave and exploit us? Europeans would never want development in Africa. The only thing they can do and they've always done is exploit, exploit exploit.

When will people wake up on this continent?

We will continue to be enslaved until we do one thing. If we ever want to be completely free from white people, we must go back to our native language, use it to acquire knowledge, and believe in our God. This's the only way to DISCONNECT ourselves from white people and stop creating perpetual slaves out of ourselves.

Isn't this enough reason for we Africans to come to our senses?

Is that enslaving.....they are even helping this french speaking countries stand since dey can stand on thier own so i dont see any enslaving there.....

The ones our leaders are doing is what....
Would call it freedom

TAO11:
Hahaha ... my boy.

I actually hate to screw you left, right, and center.

#GbasGbos

But you cause it. You won't stop. You lie!

Ur moniker says female but you and i know you are a guy...
We can start tracing ur lies from there...

How would u screw when ur moniker says female

TAO11:
Hahaha! My boy.

Educating you in 1, 2, 3, ...

Name me one Yoruba historian who said Ashipa is a Benin. None!

The idea that Ashipa is a Benin man was first hypothesized by the renowned Bini historian, Chief Egharevba when he noted that the name Ashipa may have come from the Benin phrase Aisika --- that is, We won't leave.

The name Ashipa exists throughout Yorubaland, but is not found among the Binis. This fact alone weakens this hypothesis which you want to cling to.

That Ashipa was of Ife royal descent according to the Lagos/Awori account is consistent with the widespread presence of the name among the Yorubas.

Finally, name me an instance --- just one instance --- of the use of Edo/Benin language as a court language in the Lagos palace at any point throughout Lagos history, and cite your source fully.

The use of your Edo/Benin language should be noticeable in the Lagos palace (perhaps till date) if truly your Benin kingdom colonized Lagos Island at any point, or if truly Ashipa (the progenitor of the present dynasty) was a Benin conqueror of Lagos Island.

I used to take you serious not anymore

Mkokelvin:
History has been taken from us. There is problem.in the Land.

Africans Must Wake Up.

All Obas of Lagos trace their lineage to Ashipa,a war captain of the Oba of Benin. Ashipa was rewarded with title of Oloriogun (or War leader) and received the Oba of Benin's sanction to govern Lagos. Some Benin accounts of history have the Ashipa as son or grandson of the Oba of Benin. Other accounts note that Ashipa is a Yorubacorruption of the Benin name Aisika-hienbore(translated "we shall not desert this place".

Ashipa received a sword and royal drum as symbols of his authority from the Oba of Benin on his mission to Lagos. Additionally, the Oba of Benin deployed a group of Benin officers charged with preserving Benin's interests in Lagos. These officers, led by Eletu Odibo, were the initial members of the Akarigbere class of Lagos White Cap Chiefs.

Prior to the arrival of the British, the Oba of Benin had "the undisputed right to crown or confirm the individual whom the people of Lagos elect[ed] to be their King".

The defeat of Oba Kosoko by British forces on December 28, 1851, in what is now known as the Bombardment of Lagos or Reduction of Lagos, or locally as Ogun Ahoyaya or Ogun Agidingbi (after boiling cannons), put an end to Lagos' s former allegiance to the Oba of Benin.

Kosoko was therefore the last Oba of Lagos to remit annual tributes from the people of Lagos to the Oba of Benin. Oba Akitoye, who was re-installed to the throne by the British, "seized the opportunity of his restoration under British protection to repudiate his former allegiance" to Benin and rebuffed subsequent tribute requests from the Oba of Benin.

Previous rulers of Lagos have used the titles of Ologun (derived from Oloriogun), Eleko and, most recently, Oba of Lagos.

The current Oba of Lagos, His Highness Oba Rilwan Akiolu, has served in the position since May 2003.

Am Benin ....

But i want to ask is it only lagos in yorubaland the Benin colonized how come Benin are alway masturbating on benin conquered lagos" abi na only lagos benin conquered

You all keeping telling the history everyday on nairaland is becoming boring

TAO11:
There are two variant historical accounts of the relationship between Oko¹ (or Èkó) and Benin kingdom. These two accounts are different and distinct in some very important respects.

¹ "Oko" is the earlier Yoruba name of the Lagos region which later came to be phono-semantically-matched into the Bini word "Èkó".

Refer to the entry "Lagos" in "Encyclopaedia Britannica" for this specific information (i.e. "Oko")
https://www.britannica.com/place/Lagos-Nigeria


The two available accounts are the Àwórì account of the autochthonous people (a.k.a. the Lagos account), and the Bini account.

The account put forward by the OP is the Bini account, and it essentially says that Lagos Island was colonized by Benin kingdom; and that Aṣipa (the first ruler of the present dynasty) was a grandson (or son) of the then king of Benin, viz. Oba Orhogbua.

The OP has presented this Bini account on the implicit assumption that this account is the only available account, and that it is exactly identical to the account held by the autochthonous people of Lagos, viz. the Àwórì.

This implicit assumption is terribly mistaken and actually false because the Lagos account is not only different, but actually different in important respects.


While the Bini account lays claim to an outright conquest of Lagos Island by the Benin kingdom; the Awori account (a.k.a. the Lagos account) describes many indecisive conflicts and skirmishes between the indigenous Awori population on one hand, and the alien non-Awori resident population on the other hand.

The non-Awori resident population comprises largely of Bini resident traders, but also includes other resident traders such as: the Ijebu, the Ilaje, the Ikale, the Owo, the Egba, the Egbado, the Aja, and the Ijaw traders.

This Awori account notes that the conflicts and skirmishes between these two groups endured and escalated so badly as to almost completely cripple trading activities, and as a result, the Benin resident population thus became so affected that it could not make its usual due remittances back home to the then Oba of Benin.


This shortage of remittances from its Benin subjects residing in faraway Lagos Island attracted the attention of the government of Benin kingdom. The intervention thus necessitated the need to find a lasting solution to the incessant conflicts between the indigenous population and the non-Awori resident population.


It was, however, eventually resolved that an ultimate settlement would involve permitting the non-Awori resident population to have some representation and hence participation in the government of the Island which had been administered theretofore solely by the Olofin and his enclave of Awori chiefs.


This arrangement, therefore, gave a platform to Asheru --- a Benin chief who had been the leader and voice for the non-Awori resident population --- to participate in the governance of the island alongside the indigenous Awori people.


But unfortunately, the new arrangement proved to be ineffective in putting a final stop to the conflicts, and Asheru was soon afterwards killed in one of the clashes that ensued in the course of time.


A certain Awori prince by the name Aṣipa who is described in same Awori account as an Isheri chief of Ife royal descent (and who shared in some of the sentiments of the resident alien population) graciously led the party that conveyed Asheru's body to Benin kingdom.


Aṣipa --- with the support of his loyalists who consist of his Awori loyalists, the Bini resident population, and most (if not all) of the other resident population --- eventually became the king of a new dynasty of kings on the Island to whom the line of Lagos Island kings till date is traced as their progenitor.


In other words, Aṣipa (a son of the soil) found favour with the alien resident population because of his gracious feats, and he therefore became the choice candidate, among the competing Awori princes, largely due to the support of his Awori loyalists, as well as the support, popularity, and influence of the Oba of Benin and the popular Bini resident population.


Aṣipa therefore, according to the Lagos account, was a Yoruba prince (rather than a Bini) to whom the line of the present Lagos Island royal dynasty is traced.

And the Bini connection, according to the Lagos account, was (rather than a Bini conquest) simply that the influential Benin government endorsed and backed Aṣipa (instead of another Awori candidate) in his quest to become the progenitor of a new dynasty of kings on the Island.


Refer to: S. Adebanji Akintoye, A History of the Yoruba People, Amalion Publishing, 2010, pp. 221-222.

See also: Robert S. Smith, Kingdoms of the Yoruba, First University of Wisconsin Press, 1988, pp. 73-74.

[This second reference contains an interspersed description of both the Lagos account and the Bini account.]



Conclusion:

The foregoing submission demonstrates with evidence that there is not just one account of the relationship between Lagos Island and Benin kingdom, contrary to what many think.


If I am, however, faced with the option of adopting the logical and consistent of the two accounts (as I am now faced with), then I am inclined to upholding the Awori account, not merely for being a Yoruba myself, but for the fact that only the Awori account explains the conspicuous historical absence of the use of Edo language (alongside Yoruba language) as an official (or unofficial) court language on the Island (or in any part of Lagos for that matter) --- a phenomenon which would have been present had Benin kingdom truly "colonized" Lagos Island, and was Aṣipa truly a son (or grandson) of an Oba of Benin.


Cheers!

You and lia Mohammed must be brothers you seize to amaze me....eh eh

Even history your fellow yorubas know asipa is fully blooded benin you still go ahead to distort it for your egoistic interest...

I blame the guy who created the thread for publicity gain ,no one has ever created a thread on other yorubalands bini colonised
Why always lagos

TAO11:
Nirvana is a continous and uninterrupted state for me.

I attain it everywhere --- on Nairaland and outside of it.

It's especially sweet (almost orgasmic) when I'm on Nairaland flogging, owning, and screwing you on your pseudohistorical throw-ups.

I really hope you do not have a traumatized Christmas season seeing that I am coming for you again.

I see you nisai, thanks for tuning me in.

I thought you said i would be the one running not untill you disappeared to your village to be reschooled ....
Am creating a topic on the benin empire hope you join me....

This behaviour is normal for some person
Its not abnormal i have a sister who dont even care about males or even dated any and she is in early 20s but it getting scary anything a guy comes she draws the line...

I would advice you dont choke yourself into a serious relationship because you want to be like everyone else ...just sit yourself down and plan how you will manage it because it is a natures attitude and not a social behavior....

The best is to be a baby mama for a guy you feel comfortable with tell him you type of person that you would want to remain single and takd of the child .....

TAO11:
I read his jokes during my off-peaks with popcorn and fanta.

He is a failure!

My man you are back from oblivion

Happy xmas

LegendaryLover:
i don't know why i'm uncomfortable with this pic.
no be say i no dey eat meat too

Killing dog is.like killing human

That animal is just too close to humans
I was at a place some days ago and a little boy was with his dog fighting with another guy is dog was fighting the other guy too

commodorejydes:
Bro I'm face with a similar suitation ,the is this girl I've been dating for about a year now ,we were really in a committed relationship then suddenly she started asking stranger ,she refuse to come visit,she only makes monetary damands ,even on her bday she was not available for me.my instinct told me she was having an affair but I kept on making excuses for her my head .I was so emotionally heart broken cous I've picture life together with her. After her birthday passed she then showed up ,and boom I got the shooker of my life wen I checked her phone while she was using the toilet ,she has been sleeping with a guy she met barely 4weeks ,goes to the guys place ,party together and was even with the guy on her bday .I was so mad n angry ,she started pleading and begging , I just told her to leave ,she refused ,I didn't want to push or force her too cous I have so much respect for ladies ..i vented in words ,called her name n vow never to have anytin to do with her again ...I was so bitter cous I never cheated on her since we've been dating ..funny tinz is she isn't working n has been fully depended on my income .she later left the next day calling friends to beg me ...I refuse ...but the sad thing is I was in pain But still love her ...I felt I needed help ...I was down for weeks,started affecting my work ,I lost peace and sleep ....she kept on begging telling me how hurt and miserable she was saying it was just a mistake that will never happen again ,then I felt petty for her n accepted her back , now I get jealous ,insecure and doubt almost eveytin she says to me ...the relationship doesn't feel the same anymore ...I've been tinking for days now whether or not to breakup with her entering the new year ...

My nigga you have to turffen you heart ...
If the lady start acting strange tgen watch it play ,no matter how you fight you still will loose the moment you start fighting the moment she is bound to win...
In your next relationship if shit goes south dont bother fighting she ought to the fighting and not you ,you pay the bills ,you give the dick ,you do the calling and she pays you back with cheating ...

Nextime ask yourself this questions

Cant ladies pay guys for dicking them too ?
Or dont they enjoy it just as we do...?
I pay d bills ,i do d calling can't she do it too
She ought to be fighting for you and not the other way round

Ask yourself again without ur finacial support would she date you

They are some war you loose before the war start a war to get a womans attention

Guys like me Bleep peoples gf bcus i dont have i would b smashing a gal soon who are bf oaid her tfer to come and see her ...
There is other girl i smash in school after smashing her i pity her bf when i see him on her phone ,when am even smashing her she off her phone so her bf wont call , and she still disturb me to date and take her seriuos....please a lady who start acting funny cut her off dont even bother killing urself checking her whatsapp...the moment you notice it start calling her off it would be hard but gradually you may not feel it again till you finally breakup with her
How can you give a gal everything and she still cheat and a guy who gives nothing get it free to be truthful all ladies are double dating same with guys but it is not understandabe for ladies because they contribute nothing in a relationship


Personal advice: stop paying bills for gfs a gal who loves wouldn't mind and still be with you..money bring fake love dont use money to get a girl in your next relationship if you are to spend ,spend when neccessary because guys like you are the reasons our Nigerian girls are money lovers and pussy givers

Ginaz:
My sister hustle o .so you no go put breasts for internet like this .

Nor b hustle she put d breast for....

Jealousy women

Omoodua007:
No wonder oyanmiram from Oyo came with his mother and imposed his title on your head and gave him mother iya Oba looool

When your kings were buried in Ife

Everyone one know Benin's calls mother iye

You're bittered already because your oyo lies were busted plua tge fake map see has he reduced Benin territories for his gain

Omoodua007:
Looool how can you be talking from your anus like this
If you claim oba is not a Yoruba word
The iya Oba from Oyo we imposed on bENIN are you saying iya is also not a Yoruba word and Ade is not a Yoruba word

O ba literally means “ the one who calls the shot “

The egiso which is a Benin word has been kicked to the bin and will never rule over Benin again

Oba is general term used for all kings across Yoruba speaking areas

No doubt but its origin is benin

Ogie is a general word for king and oba is the title for just benin

Omoodua007:
Looool you clearly don’t know how Yoruba obaship works

All Yoruba kings have different titles
The English or common name is Oba of anywhere
oba of Lagos is still eleko of eko
Oba of ijebu is awujale of ijebu
Oba of Ife is Ooni of Ife
Oba of Oyo is Alaafin of Oyo
Oba of Egba is Alake of Egba
Oba of Offa is Oloffa or Offa

So don’t confuse yourself
We imposed Oba and iya Oba on you an Oyo woman

Lol , stop being a clowm there was no general word for king in yorubaland because yorubas were never united to even let them know they had different kings elsewhere and they was a need to create a general word for king

If oba was original word for king then someone in the royal stool in yorubaland should have bore it as a title how come is only oba of benin that bore it as a title


King is use as a general term for Royal rulers does it mean it belongs to nigeria

Those sentence you made are simply English construct to replace king and nothing more


We ruled over yorubas ,and the rulers do the influence

Omoodua007:
Oba is not a Yoruba word loooool
Iya oba is also not a Yoruba word ?

Gotcha continue deceiving yourself

Iyo-oba not iya - oba

Iye= is mother

Definetely mother's is not iya or iye in yoruba am i right....
If then you see how ww have so influence the yoruba people

Benin had police in its ancient kingdom
Called olakpa which benin monarchy introduced to yoruba people

Benin has introduced yam festival to the Yoruba's ,coral beads and even egusi and pounded yam to nigeria one of our sncestoral food
The least you could say is thank you and not argue

So you mean while we ruled over the yoruba people we never influence them ,seriously the migration was from benin to yoruba territories and not the other way round so who is going to influence who

We controlled trade at akure this chiefs were known as (benin akure chiefs) we ruled them as kings too tell me how did the yoruba people inflence edo they never step foot on

Chidorx60:
Oga ..gregryboy you are pisssing me off with ur continues use of ishan alongside Esan....pleased and please Go and modify that rubbish..... Why add Ishan when you know that Esan is the correct word....


Once again...stop writing Ebhoigie..(Eboh..ighie)people of Good will...as Evbowinim or whatever it was you wrote........Ebhoigie is the princely tribe of
Uromi kingdom were the king and kingmakers come from....

By the way....the uromi king was supposed to be the Okajiesan
.....that is the head of Esan kings....and they were separated from Benin chiefs or Enogies......but the uromi king at the time of installation gave the bowl of water which the Oba presented to him to the onojie of irrua because he was elderly....it was then the Oba declared this act as foolish and declared the onojie of irrua as the okajiesan....this happened recently.
...so don't give me the lie of it was a way back occurance or it related to marriage or whatever...


This was proved when the onojie of opoji foolishly went to receive the Oba on one of his visit to Esan ..because he was a close friend to him....he mysteriously fell sick and only recovered when the Oba returned to irrua which is the seat of the okajiesan......


The onojie is a king not a duke....dukedom are present in Edo speaking regions to far from the obas seat.....not Esan..
...the famous name...Obayojie..

Means the Oba is not a king....I'm surprised that even a so called Benin man doesn't know that the Oba is actually seen as a representation of a god in human form.......the word Oba is not seen as a word for king .....but as an emperor......

In all this i am still wondering why did the esan people develope a different culture and a different language when they both kingdom had constant interaction throught out history ...if the distinction between esans and edo was not visible it would have been better for both party politically

Omoodua007:
Loooooooool dude when you have an Ogiso back on the throne I will take you serious till then y’all been reduced to nothing now lol the same descendants of Oyo empire are calling the shots now

Eleko of eko changed later to oba of lagos
Does that meab the stool changed,

Or nigeria changing from pm to president does that mean the country changed
Please back the owner of oba with sokide prove before you talk

Omoodua007:
Loooooooool dude when you have an Ogiso back on the throne I will take you serious till then y’all been reduced to nothing now lol the same descendants of Oyo empire are calling the shots now

The title oba never belonged to the Yoruba's get that to your skull we made the word oba popular amongst Yoruba people because of our influence on them
Oromiyan never ruled benin so how did he create the title oba for benin monarchy your point would have been valid if a king yorubalabd bore the title oba,there was never a general word for king in yoruba nations every yoruba clan had his own title


How would the conqured say they influenced the conqueror is that even possible
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So stop your illusion please

[quote author=Omoodua007 post=85166281][/quote]We so dominated them.they made a sculpture of a benin chief as honour do you want to see the sculpture