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Opiletool:
Oga shut up jare. You write too much redundant nonsense, yet you still fail to answer a simple question. What is the meaning of Olokun in bini dialect?

So if i tell you the meaning would it change the origination

Anyway olokun...olo kun ...means god of the waters

Now why are the people in that picture dressed like edos if they never came to teach the yorubas how to worship olokun

You still havnt told me how olokun came to Benin from any yoruba state hmm ?...defenders of the yoruba

aremuforlife:
What evidence or documentation are you asking for? When all the signs are there
The oral information are there.
"IFA olokun asoro dayo" how does that sound to you?
Olu okun and olu odo

My friend you made a mistake by saying we borrowed our traditional worship from the yorubas .nigeria have christanity but the way they worship it an even testify of the borrowed religion .an alien from space will think nigerians are the true originators of the religion. so Bleep you crap stories of oduduwa ,olokun we have seen better stories from the greeks and germans ...the fact remains benin spread this religion to the yoruba nation through war and subjugation the picture has said it all .
what's are benin personel doing in ppace where you claim a yoruba deity is been worshiped if they are not the originator of it. olokun has been worshiped in urohonigbe as an ancestoral worship ,urhonigbe is just a village in benin...

[quote author=Opiletool post=76700071]Why the rant son? Just answer the damn question. And prepare to tell me how ogun is also a bini man. Jester. [/quotre]


The only thing i will tell you.is that we onced ruled over some part of yoruba state .i saw a girl from ondo state at uniben, with a benin name and yoruba, and i asked how come. she says she from ondo but her heritage came from benin ....with this little story you should know who gave who this worship....just. The way Britain introduced Christianity to Nigerians just the same way we introduced this gods to the yoruba nations....

Now tell me how you belive this gods of yours came to benin please no fairytales

The more we give less Bleep to this harlot the better for them. and for us .bigger mattters are plundering the country down this ladie nudity isnt one of them...

Modified: as a benin man that i am .she has been distribed to the yorubas they initial spoilt her

Opiletool:
What is the meaning of Olokun in bini dialect?
Please properly punctuate your points, in order to make them intelligible.

Nigga stop that trash you talking about ...yoruba should be the last tribe to claim identification to any history in nigeria a tribe that boast of an empire that lacked documentation yet their children are here claiming identification to idols like they stored history in thier head a tribe wish was colonized by the Fulani's and edos, if the Fulani's wasn't a majour tribe the yorubas would have also claim they gave them Islam .now you you want me to tell you the meaning of olokun to what use is it .
so you can read a fairtale story from the Yoruba folklore to me. Instead tell me why are the people in the picture dress like the edos and, lastly how did we borrow all this gods you claim edo worship from yoruba who brought them to edo....

Bighead9:
Kiss the truth, over 50% of Yeebos are HIV positive.

Fool am not ibo tribalism doesn't pay but its fun

Depressedkidd:
Tbh I doubt this. Less percentage of people get tested in the north than in the south. That's why these figures are false. In the north the just Bleep, no one tests after so they're Living with it and they don't know. This is just testimony to the fact that there's better health care facilities and test opportunities in the south than in the north

I was surprise not to see the north men leading the statistic is just altered its not geniue

Just see how this educated yourh are abusing themselves online it just shows our education system has failed. how will two grown adult whom are educated be throwing acidic words at each other like they are market women in a public forum ..thier certificate must be withdrawn

aremuforlife:
Olokun is a Yoruba deity.
Olokun is associated with IFA, "ifa olokun asoro dayo".
97% of the deities worship in Binin kingdom are associated with Yoruba deity and they all have their history in IFA.
Olokun is a Yoruba language and not a Binin language "Lord of the water". I believe that is not a Binin language?

Why would i believe a word from the tribe that never dicumented thier history, a tribe that have so many account of the story of thier originator just tell me why i should take that tribe serious.
With no document you just want me to believe the deities are from the Yoruba's tribe haha....
The picture above shows the dressing of the edo royals not the yorubas royals ..even for a second if i have to believe olokuns is from the Yoruba's how did it get to benin....because you're a majour tribe then the minor tribe must get to borrow from you even with no evidence

Delta state cant even give their people free education.and here in edo state that is not an oil state free education is giving to all government school, i dont want to belive that the school is a private school.
it just sound awkward when Delta state student complain of tuition fees

Opiletool:
Hahahhaa. So, what happened to him next?
I'm being serious here.

You still cant prove yorubas own oloukun but youre inquisitive to know the oba history

Opiletool:
What are the bini traditional gods and how they came to be? Care to Tell me about their history? Who was Olokun?

Olokun is the goddess's of the water discovered in urohonigbe village and from then it was then been worshiped when the oba was to be taken to calabar by the whitemen chiefs he summoned olokun who destroyed the ship and he fled to Benin when he got to benin he was recaptured but this time he was stripped of his jazzz....
Young man i know you want to tell me a beautiful
Mythical none existence story like that of oduduwa in the story of olokun...forget it dont bother it is s myth the benin own olokun and the people in that picture have proven it

YourNemesis:
Is this guy serious right now? LOL!

Benin dress, beads from Coral and White linen..... Benin food, Egusi and Iyan....
While you are at it, don't stop there also add: Benin skin color dark brown and Benin hair black. Orisirishi..

ps: The African Yorubas are not the ones who spell it as Olocun. Seriously, do you have reading comprehension difficulties?

You also want to claim pounded yam and eguisi too are for the Yoruba's wonders shall never end the lady in the picture wore a beeded hair dress with coral beeds this alone will tell you olokun worship is foreign to the yorubas....
How did eguisi and pounded yam seem yoruba lets start from there who colonized who ? Four yoruba state where under Benin territory and you open your mouth to lie openly even when the pictures speaks the truth the question you should ask yourself now is why are the people on that pictures dressing like the benin royals instead of yorubas ...ooh god you're forefathers should be blamed for this. they where busy fighting civil war and selling themselves as slaves to the whitemen for penny instead of documenting thier history now the children are busy claiming others peoples history

These are pictures of benin queens below

Opiletool:
Kindly ignore that fool, for he knows not his people's history. I have schooled him on another tread that they worship yoruba gods but the fool still chooses ignorance.

And you just made a point ...haha..you just lay claims with no proves that our indigenous worship are yours how ...is it because of the oduduwa that we share history with the yorubas .that brought many of the yoruba worship to us i or how. i doubt it. It is better to say benin transfer this worship to the yorubas through conquest of the eastern yorubas tell me what gods would osemawe of ondo would be worshipping if not a benin God, what about the dieji of akure abi the oba of lagos if not a benin traditional worship. as they all came from the benin royal house now tell me why you will still believe benin borrowed yorubas gods with no. Prove to show .to show its a bein deity all the worshipers there was dress in benin. Attire

YourNemesis:
You are not serious.
The one person I see there dressed like a Benin is probably Benin himself...
Besides Olokun is not from Benin into Yoruba, but from Yoruba into Benin, just like many other things.

See ozuor....it is nor spelt olocun it is spelt olokun
And it is worshiped in a village in benin in orhonigbe it is more of thier traditional worship
In benin every village have their indigenous Oracle they worship....you saying yorubas gave us olokun you must be deluded
you should go and say that in orhonigbe in benin where it is worshiped if they wont stop the fake worshippers of it in yorubalands. a benin man had to be there to show them how it is worshiped they all had to dress on benin coral beeds and white linen to worahip it just as they way benin dress .you soon forget those yoruba territories under the benin empire where allowed to worship our gods that's how it spread all over the yoruba state the food that would be given to olokun wont be be amala and ewedu it will be a benin food pounded yam and eguisi .you have no argument here youngman

See the way they are all dress like benin royals yet thier ego wont allow give credibilty to true worshiper's of olokun n oronigbe

safarigirl:
Thank you

I have no doubts that these people would darken Phyno sef, to keep the belief that only them have paleness.

I'm honestly miffed by this misrepresentation, it should be condemened in its entirety, even by Adesua herself.....but then, she should just be glad she is on Vogue, representation doesn't matter.

Thank God for black women like Alek Wek that fight these misrepresentations.

It what they actually wanted and adesuwa agreed to it...my aunt who is a very light skin do always get the rascist talk from white in spain asking her how come she is light skinned and not dark she keeps telling them she african and she is black in her gene if not in apperance

Opiletool:
Do you mean the same awori that migrated from ife? Lol. You guys are just pathetic. Awori and Ijebu have been neighbours in Lagos for years. They both have the largest landmass in Lagos, so why won't they understand each other's language? Lol. I'm tired of schooling you son. Go find your mate.

You speak more of rubbish than you speak sense you are dwelling on population to justify your claims you forget the Almighty rome it original indigenes are just in one city not even a state they didnt even spread thier language just as the benin found it royal not to you claim we borrow your gods to worship please tell me who told that lie youre believing where you even born to know who borrowed from whom your ancestor's never documented anything you just come and spill trash no matter how populated the yorubas are if its going to be overun by a village it will still be very possible

[quote author=WORLDPEACE post=76660821]Is it possible they arranged these people according to how big or famous they are in the west?

I think that is how dark Adesua would look next to Caucasians. She might be like Oyibo to us but she is still a black woman.

And she is still looks exotic to me
here. The others kinda look the same.[/quote


Youre wrong thats what i was thinking before have you seen a real light Nigerian stand in front of a white man you can't even differentiate the cilour adesuwa colour was uttered even if she stands with a whiteman that is not her colour lets remove the white people from the picture it still don't give adesuwa her real complexion

Thats not her colour i think they alterd it

Oshi5403:
But Africans Sits At The Front Roll Of Possessors Of Complicated History.

Yea....not because of documentation but as a result of selfish intreast in the face of documentation africans will depose it to favour themselves oyo empire i believe was actually wasnt an empire it was more of large dependent clan of villages coming together as a result of shared culture the most wealthy clan got the upper hand.it was a big clan like an empire but not one they brought the empire into life through recent writeup

Oshi5403:
History Is Great
While African History Is Complicated.

The world history is complicated ....because of people who tries to alter it

Opiletool:
The same yoruba people more relevant than you today?
Shouldn't you be ashamed that those slaves are better than you fools today?
Their language and culture are being studied all over the world. They exist not only in Africa but expand to the carribbean. Not only one of the largest but the most relevant tribe in tho whole of Africa.

If I were you, I will stop talking about the past, I rather focus on how to gain relevance now and in the future. How to catch up with the tribe whose gods you worship, language you speak, and names you bear today.

We don't remind ourselves with the past but tribalism do .tribalism from the yoruba the op who created this thread is not a benin man to even want to start claiming glory.....no matter how hard a tribe try to push itself to greatness if its not due for greatness he will never be great...yorubas should be ashsmed of themselves you sold yourselves out so cheaply sold your kingdoms out so cheaply and made the black skin man feel humiliated in the eyes of the world badagary tourist centers should be destroyed it is not a worthy history to keep ....now you come here as a yoruba boy to boost of a slave language spoken in the carribean .the carribean that a blackman has never ruled you should be ashamed yorubas language is sopken in the carribean .you should also be ashsmed your ancestors sold themselves out,you should be ashamed that youre from a yoruba tribe .
And for the record no benin man bears yoruba names if other edo does go and check thier history

Oshi5403:
Nobody Deviated From Any Purpose Of The Thread.
Am Just Trying To Make A Constructive Criticism And Careful Appreciation Of Various Comments Made,to Get To The Root Of The Issue.
Am Not Aligning With Any Empire Or Kingdom.

Am The Op Of The Thread.

Dont include benins to your claims every history benin had was detailed.....the issue was it wasn't detailed in writeup but in art and culture....
The yorubas are the people lieing here they are always attaching thier non existed empire to other people history even outside nigeria ....ask them how thier empire was formed how it emerged they will beat round the bush ...ask them how oduduwa come about they will tell you several lies to cover up thier lies all this for thier history to have relevance the yoruba history rest on the shoulder of the benin kingdom..
I am not a tribalist or supporting the edos but history has to be said correctly i see emptiness in the history of yorubas or the oyo empire awolowo
Made a mess constructing lies for themselves

lx3as:
Then you people don't know what you're doing.

I was born in a family that has been worshiping Ogun for generations. There was never a time, Ogun is worshipped with sacrifice like dog, kola, Palmwine, that little was not splash or drop on Esu Lalu or lanroye's little by the main Ogun shrine and the pronouncements 'esu ma se mi omo...' and they would praise-sing him not to cause misfortunes. You people don't just know anything about this deities again. When you see how Binis that engage in Umọlẹ, Sango, Ogun, ect do theirs, you will only shake head. Everything is turned upside down, even the Ogboni of a thing....

Lol...benin started minning iron before the advent of yoruba it was how they built thier empire. And thats how the worship of iron emerged.. Now yorubas are claiming they gave benin ogun ,oromila joke of the centuries soon as the yoruba start giving thier true history without cutting from peoples history like Ghana, ivory coast,mecca or benin then i would pick a book of yorubas to read it is sad that the true yoruba history is more empty than that of the igbos they use other peoples history to claim accomplishments

lx3as:
Though I promise not to reply you again because I don't believe an adult would not understand the difference between 'spread up to' and 'spread over/through'.

Please go to any Ogun worshiper in Benin and ask him to show his shrine. You will find a stone close to that Ogun shrine; that's for Esu (the trickster), Esu was different from Satan in the Bible; when Bishop Ajayi Crowders was translating Bible from English to Yoruba, he called Satan, Esu and it sticks up till today.

To an hunter, who worships Ogun, he believes that the gun he is carrying can kill someone/himself through mistake or misfortune hence the worshiping of Esu by giving him some offerings on that stone near Ogun shrine to appease him. Esu was part of the ancient Yoruba gods just like Ogun, Obatala, Orunmila, etc.

Bye.

That is ur knowledge of esu in yoruba dont bring it to benin it's different also benin had guns before the so called yorubas i guess now benin worshiping of ogun was adopted by the yorubas

Weedfree:
Oyo empire conquered most of Yoruba land but not all Benin empire conquered most of southern part of Nigeria. Oyo empire stretches all the way to Benin, Togo and Ghana. Some of the Yoruba people in those areas got their through migration not by conquering. it was recorded that Oyo empire fought Ashanti empire but it was never recorded in Ashanti history. Just has Benin empire said the subjected ijebu but it was not recorded in ijebu history.

Oyo empire is fables build upon lies it is sad Ghanaian and togo aint in this forum to debunk their claims Benin never fought the ijebus they would have left thier trade mark there

lx3as:
I will not say more!
You can continue to choose what to believe.


Bye.

Lol....i just wanted you to say conquest and i would have open full goggle on you ...go read your history and be proud of the little your forefathers archieved as for the benins they died protecting thiers

lx3as:
I never said Yoruba language was used by Bini populace but in the palace to some point in time.
A lot of Yorubas remained in Bini after Oranmiyan left, so as to guide the young prince/king in Yoruba spirituality. How do you explain the worshiping of Ogun, esu, Osun, Aiyelala, Umọlẹ, etc in Bini up till this day?

Lol....benin dont worship esu .esu is seen as devil in benin and they neither worship osun we can never truely ascertain any worship you mention apart from ayelala you mentioned which was adopted recently just thesame way ogboni was also adopted on recent but this does not connote seniority between both party as religion worship could be accepted through trade .benin empire is way older than the oyo empire it took in some religional worship and took out some indigenous worship...i repeat we can still not ascertain who gave who this worship we could only guess and our guess maybe wrong ...and again benin was an empire.that dwell so much on spirituality they borrowed so many different idol from neighbouring state even also adopted christanity so we borrowing idols from yoruba people cannot ascertain anything young man just like we borrowing christanity meaning we came from isreal

lx3as:
Read again!

'' ...spread up to Ashanti kingdom of present Ghana/Ivory's coast''.

Ashanti people are in present day Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire.

Answer the question youre explaining how did it stretch there through conquest or interaction

lx3as:
Oyo Empire secured these places through conquest. They mainly used Calvary of horses which were very good in the savanna and plain land of West Africa. They could not penetrate forested and swamped areas hence the independence of Ekitis, Owos, Ondos, Ilajes, Ijebus, Lagos Aworis, etc; even Bini. Their Calvary could easily get to Ajase, Cotonou, etc.
than Lagos.

Bini never gone beyond Lagos Island not even Badagry, the Ilajes and Itsekiris they made use of to get to Lagos Island couldn't really wage war against powerful Ijebus' kingdom, hence they took prince Ado of Bini through the lagoon; the land between Bini and Eko were never conquered by the Binis.

When you're ready to quote me with fact not assumption then quote me again for you saying oyo spreads through ghana and ivory coast as result of conquest as already debunk you entire statement

lx3as:
This is simply confusion!

Ekiti never fought Egba, they don't even share boundary. Ekiti never really fought Oyo but Ibadan. However, there are wars between Ekiti kingdoms and Bini. Oyo only intervened in Otun Ekiti kingdom and Bini war.

You people should also know that Oyo Empire started earlier and spread wider, as far as Ashanti kingdom of present day Ghana/Ivory's coast. Oyo made use of ports in Badagry, Ajase, Cotonou and Togo rather than the Ijebu/Awori dominated ones in Lagos. Oyo empire was already diminishing when Bini Kingdom was growing. Oyo Empire knew about Ife prince kingdom of Bini and the two never really waged war against each other.

Oyo empire stretches over ghana and ivory coast how is it through conquest or through influence