Stephendeals: The soapy Dance and scenes from BBNaija which is more immoral?
I have not seen her and those supporting her talking about BBNaija
Nigerians have selective hypocrisy even she herself have displayed too much skin on SM that is not censored to kids. Nigeria is toying a very low moral path
but what do i know sef apart from selling High end, premium and affordable IT Gadgets
And she is a dancer it degrades her proffesion that why she made remarks towards it ulike bbn.bbn is not her profession so she choose not downgrade it ....
prolog3111: you saw these particular African Americans who came to Benin city (claiming their ancestry was from Benin Kingdom), you saw them claiming they are from Gambia ?
I know this is social media, but please still try and make sense.
Nigga stop make false claim benin never sold themselves to slavery never in history they knew what slavery was .they were in the buisness with the Portuguese ( kpotokis) for long to know the in and out. they trace thier origins here was not dna base more of tourism base it could also be this people mistook benin republic for bini edo state or they could be edoid sub geoups like delta and other edo
Excaperx: you are right, we should stop begging for unification. Bini, esan and afemai have proven they are part of the Edo family so it should be like that except of other tribes comes to identifiy with us.
Tourism's should not be our main source of income, we should go industrialised, that's why I love what obaseki is doing, the ijaw miscreants that wanted to rewrite history has been put in their place, that's one of victory for the oba of Benin.
The Benin port work will start in 2020 and finish in 2022, just imagine what Edo state will start generating, we will become the second most industrialised state after Lagos.
I've seen how these urhobo people talk about Edo because of oil, they think crude oil last forever, they have forgotten how we help them to survive with just palm oil.
We need to get working
the urhobo have never looked down on us we made ourselved look like fool have ever asked first vistor to edo state how they imagine edo state like before thier arrival most imagined to be the best state among the south south not because anything but because us is popularity at arrival it like everyother condemn state were the people are living in past glory..like the guy prolog..our brothers from oversee come to build houses and thats it. not even industry ...warri that i know is better than benin in comparism outstide basic amenities as a capital so edo state is worth talking belittled on instead focusing on unification lets from cus on tourism and industry individually
Excaperx: mind you Edo state is the least funded state in the south south, delta ,bayelsa,akwa ibom get 3 times our resources so it's not our fault.
Bayelsa is actually the most underdeveloped south south States
And under which sometimes can be argued its edo not bayelsa ...we have everything to structure the state even if our budget are low ....tourism should be edo source of income...the other day 50 americans came to benin for tourism even if benin had no history of slave they came for simply tourism ...this could fetch edo state money...not calling or begging all the time for unification....our ancestor left edo proud we should leave edo proud too for our next generation by beating the previous predecessor instead we sit and argue thier tales... Is it someone like #prolong that can't eve speak tge dialect but argue all day long for is ego
apcmustwin: If you don't like big brother, don't watch. If you see big brother topic on nairaland, don't comment. Stop being stupid and bitter about what other people are using their eyes to watch morality pastors and imams
Shut the hell up we will discriminate it as long as the show exist .....useless show do start again for lazy youth like you
apcmustwin: If you don't like big brother, don't watch. If you see big brother topic on nairaland, don't comment. Stop being stupid and bitter about what other people are using their eyes to watch morality pastors and imams
Shut the hell up we will discriminate it as long as the show exisr
prolog3111: shut your mouth. Idiot. You are a big fool who talks too much. Get off my mentions, arrogant slowpoke with no brain who believes he knows better.
I bet you cant even speak the language you are disgrace to the edo begging everywhere for a long aged history...go make a new history and addd to the benin lagacy and stop the begging
I never stated they weren't true what is the essence of the unification to become a majour ethnic group ....the benins canr focus on developing edo state they take glory in a archaic gone history...edo state is the worst state in soutg south and yet the people will be chanting on net net defend history calling people under an imagine umbrella when their own language is almost in extinction .......#edostopthebegging# We beg for the return of art work ,we beg for a unification it is a enough
prolog3111: For your info, Benin city was not a précolonial country. It was the capital of a précolonial country called Benin Kingdom/Empire of which the Urhobos and Itshikeri are members. In other words, those who populate Benin City are linked through blood line to those who populate all the corners of the empire. The notion of tribe in Nigeria is entirely political. By objective definition, the descendants of Benin empire should be considered the same tribe. But for politics, artificial tribes are created while the true ones ...
I guess you are benin, yea am benin too. but its downgrading how you all beg other ethnic group to come under the canopy of benin and even recieving insult from them most times it is shameful you guys should stop it ...it is shameful as been begging for alms .i will never beg a friend To be my friend or a brother to be my brother rome as never begged the world to come to acknowledged them they do it with freee will
MetaPhysical: Dear Prince, I apologize for late entry on my response.
I do not in any way diminish Yoruba ancestors at all. My submission in that post was very brief and to the point as pertains to this headgear and color itself.
Red is universal color, in fact all colors are universal. In Yoruba alchemy colors are used to treat ailments by restoring balance to temper and mood. Colors are also used to communicate with divinities.
Certain traditions and cultures of old were known significantly by colors and till today that knowledge pesrsists.
Yoruba is a foreign conqueror and civilization. Its abode is Ife, but it met people in Ife. The name Ile-Ife, the term Oba, the conical Crown, the deities, Yoruba language, and many more customs were implants in the land now known as Ife.
Something caused Yoruba to depart Afro-Asia but something even very significant caused Yoruba to aim for settlement in the land it renamed Ife. It was not an accident. Amongst those with whom Yoruba settled were Bariba and Yauri. The two left and Yoruba remained in the land.
The preoccupiers of that land were the Noks. They were significant for some things, primary among which is color red. They were already a civilized people. Their civilization was super imposed by the much more civilized and nobler Yoruba.
In the same way red features as a color of significance for Nok, blue and white featured significantly for Yoruba.
After their settlement Yoruba instituted the nok culture into its expansion strategy. Red became insignia of Ife authority and dynasty. When uncivilized wild roaming natives needed to be organized, a chief of Ife is sent to order the society and rule it. This is how Ogisos appointed from Ife ended up establishing the red culture in Edo.
Lol.....fables just hear yourself a tribe that started documentation just around late 19century wants to date the origin of edo that has documented thier history since 14c ....i explained before red was never a general colour in west Africa or africa as a whole it was only synonymous to the edos this is one of the reasons the Portuguese sailors located benin as they sailed along the river they saw a town built on red soil , the lands were describe by sailors as a land of blood, the benin flag was made of red fabrics, the Portuguese saw the uniqueness of red in benin they gave the oba red coral beads ...white was not cherished like red even if it existed.the benin sand ia still very red today because it a rain forest zone over occurrence of leaching ....so dont come here and say ife ....like you aint educated to think beyond the box....the yorubas used brown beads white and red was not thier colour until the early 19c
baby124: Red was the most common color for Africans. Africans have painted with red ochre for a long long time. Red from Ochre and Black from coal are the most common colors. Though Yoruba use camwood.
Dont generalized have you been to the rest african state ...talk about your own tribe first of all. As for the Benin's red was a colour around them thier sand are very red thier house were red thier food was red from palm oil ,the coral beads were red too the colour didnt just pop out of thin air it was a nature gift to thier soil
baby124: Yoruba is one of the oldest tribes in Africa. Edo people separated from Yoruba tribe 1000’s of years ago. Yoruba style of metal work and beading is unrivaled till today. Even the Edo could not work metal as intricately as the finest Yoruba metal workers in Ife. Go and ask your metal work cult in Benin where their ancestors are from. You are a small boy and you know nothing. Speak about ancient Yoruba with respect.
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Wise man ...edo sepreted from yoruba where even onni lied that igbos were in the royal house of ife now its benin mockery Thats is the original beeds of the Yoruba's
Southernminorit: Some will use this avenue to insult Benin greatness rather than learn from it.
That logo is Benin symbol of authority. Most kings in delta, bayelsa, ondo,etc have it. Your throne can't be legitimate without you coming to Benin to get it.
That's why Edo isiagbon.
@op those monikers you quoted are banned
yorubas brethren will never learn they find it hard accepting the truth from the benin because they are minorities but if its coming from the majourity fulanis they will divide and embrace it....the core truth is the way this story they deniel is true thesame way they denial oduduwa story coming from Benin The meaning on those logo his a typical benin proverb that only the old people can interprete
Alagbontewe(they dont pass life to something smth....)
Refusing shouldnt stop you from giving her money if she refused you on the bases of a broke nigga you could have your revenge by giving her the money and fucking the pussy in return... If on the contary then give her
the oonis head was buried in the oba palace to show seniority ....it is not seen the other Yoruba state because edo odion( edo is the eldest) just like i said earlier this is an original typical dressing of the ooni regalia no round bead or even hand bead at all becarefull young man of your lies
TAO11: Hahaha, you're sounding very desperate and frustrated now.
And also coming up with nothing but excuses.
You said you don't have enough time to provide evidence. But you have enough time to to type up unsubstantiated false claims, right?
Why not chanell the same energy and time you use in typing up unsubstantiated false claims into providing the evidence for your claims?
You said the Binis didn't illustrate their art with the actual reality on ground. But they illustrated it with another reality, right? I hope you do listen to yourself.
Yeah, this specific beaded regalia on the Ife bronze is a Yoruba regalia introduced later to Benin.
We know this because:
(1) No Benin bronze have such specific regalia.
(2) The person depicted by the Ife bronze is an Ife man and not a Benin man because Binis don't have such vertical parallel ethnic facial scarification
The above two are the specific issues that you should address and not about what color of beads the Itsekiris (a Yoruboid language speaking people) used and introduced to the Benis
The issue is also not about whether Portuguese introduced soft or solid beads to Benin.
[The bronze castings we are dealing with here are even many centuries before the Portugese's arrival in the Nigeria region.]
The real issue here is about the fact that available hard archaeological evidence shows that the specific beaded regalia in question here emanates from Ile-Ife to other southern Nigeria cultures including the Binis and the Itsekiris as seen in the above pictures of the Olu Warri and Owa Obokun Adimula Ijesa.
Lastly, I am not sure why you have to sign your name "dull boy" as a complementary close at the end of your comment above.
like i said benins wore beaded dress centuries before the arrival of the Portuguese that's why it was a necessity for the Portuguese to see the coral as a gift to the oba ....oduduwa a benin prince wondered to the land of ife with his beaded dress was adorn and seen as a godlike dress. the onni dont were beads like the way it was depicted in oduduwa sculpture because it was never indigenous to them they saw it like an heavenly regalia ...upto the hand bead , the facial linnings was something indigenous to ife now ask yourself if the beaded dress was not indigenous to the edos how come the edos wear it more unlike the yoruba counterpart
TAO11: 1.) First coral, tubular, and glass beads were produced in Ife and not in Benin kingdom. Go read up on that!
2.) Those ancient Ife bronze castings you see dates to centuries before the Benin bronzes.
3.) Virtually all ancient Benin bronzes do not have these particular beaded regalia of a few round beads on top of a couple of longer beads.
The fact that you don't see them on ancient Benin bronzes shows that the beaded regalia is clearly a later introduction by the Ifes to Benin because we onviously have seen these particular style of beaded regalia in the older Ife bronzes.
4.) Are you telling me now that Benin people now have or once had PARALLEL VERTICAL FACIAL SCARIFICATION as seen on these Ife bronzes, and as used to be the case in the past in Ife in one of the ruling dynasties?
If so, show me one ancient Benin bronze cast that has this parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification. None exist.
In other words, these bronze casting I have shown here are not of a Benin person, but rather of an Yoruba king in his full ceremoniall beaded regalia which was later introduced to Benin by Oranmiyan.
**See the attached image below for an up-close of the parallel vertical facial ethnic scarification on the king depicted by the bronze casting. And let me know if Binis (in the past or present) have this practice of facial scarification.
**Also below is a PHOTOGRAPH of an Ife man with the same facial ethnic scarification prominent among one of the ruling dynasties of Ife.
I have said it before that you're not bright and it's becoming more and more obvious to you.
you're so dumb in all your illustration don't have time to quote long pages ...as you do
nevertheless because we didnt illustrate our art like that doesnt change the fact its a Benin trad regalia... benin art work didnt depcit any benin prince in its art work and that bead on oduduwa its a typical Benin regalia for a benin prince.and for the king its a cone headed bead a typical dressing that depicit oduduwa regalia is that of olu of warri ...prior to the Portuguese benin never made use of red beads but they had other beads which was not as strong as the Portuguese beads those beads Portuguese saw and decided to bring a more solid beads for the oba for trade....dull boy
A Yoruba king dresses in a particular way. And since the Benin king dresses that way too, then it must be that the Yoruba king copied. Lol!
What about, it must be that the Benin king copied?
Oh, I see you haven't thought about that.
Okay let me burst your bubble. The images below are ancient Ife bronze castings excavated in Ile-Ife and dated to centuries before the Benin bronzes.
The regalia on the chest of the two images 15 and 16, as well as the ones on the chest of the royal couple with interlocked hands and feet shows clearly that:
It is an ancient Yoruba regalia which was later introduced to other cultures including Benin and of course through Oranmiyan the Yoruba prince who went there to offer spiritual and political direction.
Refer to:
Blier, Suzanne Preston. “Art in Ancient Ife, Birthplace of the Yoruba”. African Arts 45.4 (2012) for details of this bronzes. You can also find them online.
you are clearly very dull you see a complete benin regalia on odudiwa you still mention your mouth to claim its off yoruba origin...ozuo a benin rounded bed and hand beads worn by oduduwa already tells you oduduwa guy is from benin you keep saying oduduwa is from ife when all your historians claim others you better accept the truth that oduduwa wasn't indigenous to ife this was the reason oduduwa percularity spread across ife ....
if you continue insisting oduduwa was from ife then its an end discussion from me you seem to lie alot ....
TAO11: You Benin people and victim mentality are inseparable.
Listen to yourself blaming everyone else because you don't come anywhere close to the Yorubas.
The earlier you accept your position in the scheme of things, the better for your peace of mind.
You sound so incoherent because all your effort is been chanelled towards mustering any stupid reply you can think of.
When did the British alter your history? What was your history prior to the "alteration"? What is your history now after the "alteration"? What is the reputable scholarly source for this victim mentality claim of alteration? Or we should just believe your wishful thinking without evidence, proof, or reason?
Please explain how the British enact or coin the following ancient Yoruba words before their coming to the Nigeria region:
"OBAtala", "OBAmeri", "OBAmakin", "OBAlufe", "OBAluaye", "OBAdio", "OBAlufon", etc.
Tell me what THE Yoruba word for "KING" is and provide your authoritative evidence and proof.
Oh really? Did you just contradict yourself further by claiming that the word "OBA" was COINED by EWEKA.
First you said it was EKALADERHAN who coined it, and then later you said it was OGISO IGODO who coined it, and now you've shifted to saying it was EWEKA 1 who coined.
Make up your mind, you janus-faced liar!
In your failed attempt to demonstrate how the etymology of "OBA" in Edo language makes it correspond to the English word "KING"; you ended up demonstrating that the indigenous Edo word which is also spelt as "O-B-A" (just like the Yoruba word for "KING" ):
1.) Has absolutely no correspondence to the English word "KING"
2.) And has absolutely no closeness in meaning to the Yoruba word "OBA" which simply means "KING".
This word is one of the only two Edo which are CLOSEST IN SPELLING to the Yoruba word "OBA". And it is in this closeness of spelling that the similarity ends.
Unlike the Yoruba word "OBA", this similarly spelt Edo word doesn't come any close to meaning "KING".
This EDO word comes from the root-word "BA" which SPECIFICALLY means "BRIGHT" or "SHINE".
The derivative "OBA" from "BA" thus may mean:
"That which BRIGHTENS" or "That which SHINES".
This EDO word therefore obviously have no etymological relationship with the word "KING" unlike the Yoruba word "OBA" (i.e. "One who DOMINATES, RULES, or PRESIDES" ) which clearly does.
This EDO word is clearly evidently an entirely different word which many low self-esteem Benin e-rats have to resort to in desperation and subjugation.
It is important that I add that whenever the Binis use the word "OBA" for their rulers from Eweka1 to Ewuare2, they don't use this word in the Edo etymological sense of:
" That which SHINES GHA TO KPE E", rather they mean it in the Yoruba etymological sense of " He who RULES GHA TO KPE E". In other words, "KING GHA TO KPE E".
Why not be humble then, and accept the obvious fact that the word "OBA" as applied to Edo kings is a loanword from the Yoruba lexicon to the Edo lexicon through Oranmiyan.
This fact is even clearer when we realize that there is actually an indigenous Edo word for the English word "KING" which "OGIE" [See one of your many Edo websites that confess this fact below].
aa you can see from the picture that is an ijesha king dress in the benin regalia this among others the britsh saw and called them oba
You're so confused that you didn't even know what to type.
You noted that Odudwa didn't come from the sky (unlike your Ogisos who dropped from the sky and unlike the first Oba of Benin who was given birth to by God Almighty according to Erediauwa); and neither was he a Meccan. And I agreed with you while I clarified that he was born in Ife.
Here you are now contradicting yourself in desperation for lack of what to type.
Your case is sorry!
All I know is that your Oba was chained, stripped almost unclad, paraded like an ignoble criminal, disgraced, and then banished like an abominatiguy...after the Benin palace and the whole kingdom had been razed to the ground.
I also "know" of how the present stool of the Oba of Benin has been politicized by Oshiomole
again i wouldnt quote source or links...but yorubas account says kings ruled before the advent of oduduwa and your claims says otherwise , and i ask you again do you say your fellow brethren are wrongs for saying oduduwa is a sky diving king or a treaking mecca guy
TAO11: You Benin people and victim mentality are inseparable.
Listen to yourself blaming everyone else because you don't come anywhere close to the Yorubas.
The earlier you accept your position in the scheme of things, the better for your peace of mind.
You sound so incoherent because all you effort is been cancelled towards mustering any stupid reply you can think of.
When did the British alter your history? What was your history prior to the "alteration"? What is your history now after the "alteration"? What is the reputable scholarly source for this victim mentality claim of alteration? Or we should just believe your wishful thinking without evidence, proof, or reason?
Please explain how the British enact or coined the following ancient Yoruba words before their coming to the Nigeria region:
"OBAtala", "OBAmeri", "OBAmakin", "OBAlufe", "OBAluaye", "OBAdio", "OBAlufon", etc.
Tell me what THE Yoruba word for "KING" is and provide your authoritative evidence and proof.
Oh really? Did you just contradict yourself further by claiming that the word "OBA" was COINED by EWEKA.
First you said it was EKALADERHAN who coined it, and then later you said it was OGISO IGODO who coined it, and now you've shifted to saying it was EWEKA 1 who coined.
Make up your mind, you janus-faced liar!
In your failed attempt to demonstrate how the etymology of "OBA" in Edo language makes it correspond to the English word "KING"; you ended up demonstrating that the indigenous Edo word which is also spelt as "O-B-A" (just like the Yoruba word for "KING" ):
1.) Has absolutely no correspondence to the English word "KING"
2.) And has absolutely no closeness in meaning to the Yoruba word "OBA" which simply means "KING".
This word is one of the only two Edo which are CLOSEST IN SPELLING to the Yoruba word "OBA". And it is in this closeness of spelling that the similarity ends.
Unlike the Yoruba word "OBA", this similarly spelt Edo word doesn't come any close to meaning "KING".
This EDO word comes from the root-word "BA" which SPECIFICALLY means "BRIGHT" or "SHINE". The derivative "OBA" from "BA" thus means:
"That
i never said ekaladeran coined the word oba i have always said eweka 1 and some history books said it was the first king igodo.... as he his regarded as obagodo yorubas has no real meaning to the world o.b.a it more like a paste name to glamour identity... like i said “ba" mean shinning o' +ba= shinning one
all the source you have been quoting are irrelevant i have all quoted this sources all before now on previous post on it all fell on deaf hears i wont quote any source like you do..but i will give you guide to go do research .... British introduced the word oba to the yorubas fact....
those oba you quoted there are simply fairy tales nothing is know of them in history they are made up history and giving the name oba to acclaim the word oba
1.) Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?
2.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost Unclad just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)
3.) Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?
Do you mean that Tinubu politicized the Ooni Ife stool just the same way OSHIOMOLE POLITICIZED THE STOOL OF THE OGISO OF BENIN (sorry) OBA OF BENIN?? **(I almost forgot that Oranmiyan already scrapped OGISO)
Yes, Ifa prophesized him and he matched the prophesies when he was born in Ife
And I am also not sure if you digest the idea that the OGISOS literally came down from the SKY.
And I am also not sure if you believe the absurdity, blasphemy and sacrilege uttered by Oba Erediauwa that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by GOD Almighty himself.
oduduwa fell from sky and came from mecca at thesame time is pure absurdity that should be more worried to you than the oba benin quote ...
TAO11: Yorubas don't hold on to mythology as fact. We accept our mythology as mythology, and our fact as fact.
Unlike Oba Erediauwa who claims that the first Oba of Benin was given birth to by God Almighty himself.
Yes, you made a statement, without any evidence, that the Yorubas didn't write anything about their history prior to British rule:
But I have shown you with evidence that it is Benin kingdom who doesn't have any indigenous written documentation of its history, culture, language, etc. prior to 1934.
On the other hand, I have shown you that the Yorubas had a modern written account of its history, culture, language as early as the 1840s prior to British rule.
But you obviously are embarrassed with this fact.
Who says the Yorubas did Art ONLY for ornamental purposes?? The answer is: ONLY YOU SAY THAT!
Who disproved Egharevba? It certainly must be Benin e-rats like you who disproved him.
Whether you Binis hate Egharevba or not because he wrote the pure unadultrated truth, he remains the EARLIEST INDIGENOUS EDO HISTORIAN.
And contrary to your lie, his work has been praised by all the leading experts and scholars of Benin history all over the world.
The leading and world-renowned scholar on Benin history, Professor R. E. Bradbury remarked about Egharevba's account of Benin in the following words:
"It has become something of a classic, known and relied upon not only in Nigeria, but by scholars all over the world, (as) ... a valuable, indeed an indispensable, pioneering work."
Professor R. E. Bradbury had lauded J. U. Egharevba for the very thing that later Benin revisionists (such as: S. B. Omoregie; E. Akenzua; D. U. Edebiri; A. Iyare; D. N. Orosanye; N. Omoigui; among other Benin 21st century e-rats) will fail to do, namely:
They all made no attempt to cite the sources of their contrary information or the names of their informants.
Professor Bradbury had praised Egharevba for gathering his data:
"from well selected informants who had grown to maturity before 1897. The memories of which they retained of past traditions had not had much time to be overlaid and distorted by pressing interest and new problems of the modern world."
Yes, the Yorubas did Art before Benin and civilized Benin into the practice.
I have quoted you the words of Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship.
She noted in "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg" that:
"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE to make memorial bronzes FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, that they might be made in BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."
What do you have to say?
The same fact is also repeated in the BBC/British Museum video link below from time 47:16 to time 49:00.
It is also clearly mentioned in this video that the kings of Benin kingdom paid homage to IFE
Before you talk about the British invasion of South West Nigeria (which the Yorubas did indeed resist), can you please shed some light on:
Why Benin kingdom was burnt down to the ground just like that?
Why Oba Ovanramwen was paraded in chains and almost naked just like that? (there are pictures on the internet in case you need them)
Why Oba Ovanramwen was banished from his kingdom like an abomination just like that?
May be you should explain all these first?
Do you still have any mouth to talk about the word "OBA" when you couldn't meet up my challenge that you should explain the etymological origin of the word "OBA" in EDO language and how it corresponds in etymology to the English word "KING"??
You also haven't clarified between your lie that "OBA" was coined by a certain Ekaladerhan; and your round about turn lie that it was coined by OGISO IGODO who lived some 1500 years before Ekaladerhan ??
Please pick one hustle!
And lastly, the Yoruba Kings didn't have to write the word "KING" (i.e. "OBA" ) beside their names IN THE REGISTER OF A MEETING OF KINGS.
All that is necessary is their distinguishing titles which set each "KING" apart from the other "KING".
But for the Benin monarch, he has to write the Yoruba word "OBA" beside his name, because Oranmiyan had given a final order that he does not want to hear the word "OGISO" ever again ... And so it remains till date.
you dont get it young man history happened during the time of our colonial master one of which was the distortion of our history ,enacting new kings this new kings were giving titles as oba ,the old kings picked the names oba too a good example is the oba of lagos ....the word oba belongs to the Benin's eweka with no influence from his fathers heritage coined the word oba meaning a shinning one
again dont quote from egharevba .his write up was influenced with biogotry from the then western region which he was educated ...writting came to the yorubas at late 1800 fine before then they totally lacked any form of documentation as soon they were given pen to write thier history the wrote it with biasness.. the oba of benin was the only one who bore the name "oba" at the conference of traditional meeting council at 1979 ...this shows the name is peculiar and original to him his influence spread across youruba state before the advent of the britsh is supiority made yorubas to quickly adopt the title "oba" to scare thier counterpart..... beni art on the other hand was for documentation and this art were way older than that of any ife art go do your research
geosegun: Just listen to your balderdash. So someone will just walk into your village in from a neighbouring town and you will just make him your leader and start to adore him? Like seriously? You guys should be best ignored.
you talk like you dont know your people when the britsh came they gave way for them easily and sold themselves up... the ooni stool is presently politicalized by tinubu ....the arrival of oduduwa was a prophesy by the gods of ife ...dont tell me you believe on the crap of a diving myth oduduwa
TAO11: Nothing like Idoduwa? then read: Air Iyare's "Bini, Ife Dynasties: The Truth. Focus On Our Historical Past", Sunday Observer, 6 May 1973, pp. 12-13.
Nothing like Imadoduwa? then read: Chief D. N. Oronsaye's "History of the Ancient Benin Kingdom and Empire", 1995, Chapter 3.
Nothing like Ekaladerhan? then you're obviously a gross novice.
In fact, the first ever attempt by the Edos to familiarize and attach themselves to Oduduwa as a Benin prince was by S. B. Omoregie in his so-called "Edo History" -- a typescript publicized circa 1970.
He himself had laid the foundation for the confusion of the Bini people by claiming that the name of the Edo prince who left Igodomigodo to rule Ife was OMONOYAN (pp. 130-136 and pp. 146-149).
So, you have at least five names to deal with not even four:
Ekaladerhan, or Omonoyan, or Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, etc.
You're obviously beginning to sound pained now with your rants that the Yorubas are a big for nothing. Yoruba is not big for nothing. We are big for everything because we helped many backward tribe in many ways:
E.g. We helped the Edos to abandon the word "OGISO" till date and adopt "OBA". Otherwise tell me why the Edos abandoned the word "OGISO".
I have asked you to tell me the name of the Edo history book written by an Edo person prior to Egharevba (1937). You obviously couldn't.
Yet you dared to embarrass yourself and asked me if a Yoruba man wrote any history of Yoruba language, culture, etc. before British rule which I gave you viz. Ajayi Crowther (1840s).
And again you're so dull that you didn't know that 1800s is not 18th century but 19th century
Did you dare talk about ART? You're obviously so ignorant.
Yorubas have been into art many centuries before the Binis will ever cast the first bronze.
Not only that. It was the Yorubas who civilized the Binis into ART.
In other words, we pioneered ART, and we also civilized the less privilege Binis.
Below is an expert testimony to that by Margaret Plass an expert on Ife-Benin Relationship. She confirms, in an article entitled "The Art of Benin: An Evaluation Based on Discussions with William Fagg", that:
"... the early Oba OGUOLA --- supposed to have reigned about A.D. 1280 --- APPLIED to his spiritual OVERLORD, THE ONI OF IFE, for the services of a bronze founder TO TEACH HIS PEOPLE TO MAKE MEMORIAL BRONZES FORMERLY IMPORTED FROM IFE, THAT THEY MIGHT BE MADE IN BENIN. The memory of that great craftsman, IGUE-IGHA, sent from Ife TO TEACH THE BINIS is still venerated at his shrine at the house of Chief Ine in the Street of Brass Casters."
[see also: Egharevba, 1936, pp. 18.]
And Ekaladerhan did not ressurect from the dead to become king in Ife. That's an Edo absurdity.
Also, you're right Oduduwa wasn't fro the sky or Mecca (and no where did I say otherwise), he is from Ife. Just the same way I don't think the first Ogiso is from the Sky of from Italy.
You may also find the following BBC/British Museum expert documentary at the YouTube link below very helpful.
It is stated therein very clearly and emphatically that the kings of Bini kingdom PAID HOMAGE TO ILE-IFE.
are you saying the rest account by your fellow brothers are wrong about oduduwa the so called oduduwa yorubas hold esteem has so many different narative to start with ...like i said yorubas lacked documentation before the arrival of the britsh ...the art done by the yorubas was for ornamental purpose and not for documentation..... the Edo's used it for purely documentation... now regarding egharevba who wrote in biaseness with consultation has been disproved on so many occation if you site from egharevba then you are not making any point ...egharevba simply wrote to favour himself from the then western region...yorubas teaching edo art ...i laugh....who takes a egharevba seriuos is not worthy of fact....again the British gave yorubas everything they needed introduced education to them because they surrendered like slaves easily and forced the oba into the yoruba language and the yorubas accepted it thats why you see all yoruba kings having thier respective title as king then attaching oba to it as a matter of fact in 1979 in the meeting of traditional rulers no king from the west had oba to thier names except oba of benin
TAO11: Poor boy, it's actually the other way round.
It's actually the Edos who did not have a documented history of their own prior to British rule.
The first documentation of anything about Benin history, culture, language, etc. by an indigenous Edo person didn't appear until Egharevba (1937); that is to say, after British rule had started.
You asked for it, so don't cry!
The Yorubas on the other hand wrote about their own history, culture, language, etc. as early Ajayi Crowther (1840s).
Another one noteworthy is (although few years into British rule) by Moses Lijadu. Guess what he competed his writing in the same year that the British burnt down Benin kingdom and paraded and expelled Oba Ovanramwen from Benin to Calabar where he died like a pauper.
Again, you asked for it.
If you really think Oranmiyan was never installed as Oba, then please take it up with your king who said clearly in the video I posted that:
ORANMIYAN from IFE ... become the FIRST OBA of Benin
But even if you think he wasn't and that it was his Yoruba kid son, then that's even a bigger slap on your face.
The Youruba dynasty starting from Oranmiyan or his Yoruba son "OWOMIKA" continues interrupted till date in your to village and their is nothing anyone if you loser can do about it.
And regarding your Izoduwa, or Idoduwa, or Imadoduwa, or Ekalderhan that you losers can't even agree on a name; we don't know him in Yoruba land and we don't care if your prince was exciled or banished (I think y'all have some sad history of prince/king banishment).
No western scholar in the whole wide world accepts the Bini desperation that Ekaladerhan ressurected from the dead at Ughoton and then proceeded to be king somewhere else.
Why should I accept the nonsense when scholars don't?
The most important fact is that Oranmiyan has installed a Yoruba dynasty (whether directly or through his own son) in far away Igodomigodo which he later changed to Benin.
it is izoduwa nothing like the rest names you put up there we ain't as dump as tge undocumented tribe of over 50million ...big foe nothing slaves of the Caribbean.... nevertheless odiduwa wasnt from the sky neither from mecca but edo you claim yorubas started documentation during the 18century when edos started documentations farback 13centuries on art ,songs ...izoduwa appeared in a savaged village dressed in the benin atire and they saw him as a god.....just the way yorubas saw the whitemen as gods and sold their lands and people to them... the history of the yorubas is not complete without the british distortions. they gave the yoruba obas,taught them how to write too
If he thinks Oranmiyan was not really Oba, he wouldn't have changed his own position from 39th Oba to 40th Oba, because his father Oba Erediauwa while alive considers himself as the 38th Oba. Lol!
Also, please point out where I wrote that:
"Kingmakers FROM IFE installed Eweka" (even though that may have been the case).
You are obviously hallucinated! Or could it be the effect of the many facts that I've hit you with that confused you so much?
on the instruction of oromiyan so much from the tribe that didnt document thier history before the arrival of the britsh....
oduduwa from mecca oduduwa from sky speaking with mere assumption ....oromiyan was never installed as oba he ewauare simply gave him that privelege from his own as oba history knew him as a coward who ran off ...Yoruba's shoukd be thankful to the Edo's for all the monarchs we have giving them especially izoduwa
TAO11: Edos spoke Yoruba! I didn't just make the claim, I also provided you with evidence in the words of Eweka as mentioned by your past Oba Erediauwa who said Eweka spoke "IN HIS FATHER'S TONGUE, OWOMIKA". How could he have spoken Yoruba (the first time he could talk) despite been born into an apparently Benin culture, and raised in an apparently Benin culture?
Please go argue with Oba Erediauwa.
So, if you will desperately claim that Yorubas also spoke Edo because you're obviously embarrassed by the fact I have presented, then please be at least prepared to bring forward evidence, proof, or reason just as I provided you with some in the words of someone I believe you trust.
Let me know if you don't trust Oba Erediauwa's account anymore. Lol!
And who said Osanganagan-Obamakin is the first king of Ile-Ife? This boy is just one desperate learner.
All sources acknowledge Oduduwa to be the first.
In fact, NOT all sources acknowledges Osangangan-Obamakin to be the SECOND, some historical sources say he is the THIRD.
But certainly NO source says he is the first. I'm not even sure why you brought up a lie about Osangangan-Obamakin's name. Lol!
Again the word "Ooni" doesn't mean "king", the word "Oba" does.
If you repeat a lie a Trillion times without any evidence, proof, and reason, that still wouldn't turn it into truth.
Your lie that the word "Ooni" means "king" and that the word "Oba" is simply a title meaning something else (instead of the other way round) is only a figment of your sad, bittered, wild and desperate imagination.
And Yorubas history is the most well documented in southern Nigeria. Ask your brother who has been referring me to books by western experts on Yoruba history.
How many Universities in the world teach Edo language and history? Lol!
Regarding your mention of "OBAGODO", I swear you failed to see how you dug a hole for yourself and fell into it.
I will show it to you. I will help you see your contradiction:
IGODO (sometimes called OBAGODO) is the very first Ogiso of Igodomigodo land. He reigned centuries before EKALADERHAN son of the last Ogiso (OWODO).
You have contradicted yourself here because you had claimed earlier that the word "OBA" in Edo language was COINED by EKALADERHAN, yet here you want me to believe again that the word "OBA" was coined or used already by IGODO. You better pick one hustle! Lol.
Moreover, having shown you to be a janus-faced liar, I have no problem with how the Edo word "OBA" sometimes prefixes the name of IGODO.
I have already mentioned that the Edo word "OBA" which means to TO SHINE/SHINING (which you also admit) is not a recent Edo invention by any Ekaladerhan.
I mentioned that it has already been part of Edo lexicon from time immemorial. And I have just been proven right by your reference to OBAGODO.
This word, which also like the Yoruba word is spelt O-B-A, obviously has a A DIFFERENT MEANING, SOUNDS DIFFERENTLY, and is PRONOUNCED DIFFERENTLY from the YORUBA WORD "OBA" (which in its own right means "KING" and not TO SHINE/SHINING).
This is why OBA EWUARE II could confidently say that ORANMIYAN (not Igodo) is the FIRST OBA of Benin.
Ooni you said has its meaning so as oba has it own meaning too. but literarily they both mean king so you and your fellow yorubas brothets should stop fooling yourself and stop making unnecessary tautology the ("ooni" of ife “oba" adetiyan) it is wrong it is simply ooni of ife then his name follows it only shows there is a motive behind adding the oba attach .in the right sense when you mention ooni everyone know you are refferring to a king in ife there is no need for the attachment of oba the British should be blamed for this giving a name to a people not theres the britsh simply saw the oba of benin controlling the south west at thier arrival and simply called those southwest kings oba too just like the northern emirs......no need to trace origin of the name the britsh is at fault here
TAO11: With each fact I knock you with you become dumber. Lol!
Eweka I did not install himself as king. The kingmakers on the instruction of Oranmiyan obviously did!
In fact, Oba Ewuare II believed that Oranmiyan already ascended the throne with the description "Oba" before he later left for Ife.
So, those Edo people are not really as dumb as you think that they would all at once just forget the description the previous king (i.e. Oranmiyan) was addressed as.
In fact, even if you think Oba Ewuare II is wrong (i.e. that Oranmiyan did not ascend the throne to rule as king), you will still agree that all the Edo chiefs are not so dumb that they would all completely forget the instruction Oranmiyan had given them regarding the installation of his son as Oba.
C'mon, be smart for once!
What he said was if they decide to start counting obaship it would be ok to count from oromiyan tho he wasnt really installed as a king...and mind you nothing like king makers from ife installing eweka you must be high from oshogbo weed to come up with that ...i wonder a tribe couldnt document thier history want to tell people thiers
TAO11: Again you keep contradicting yourself in desperation, Lol!
You said "whatever Ooni means" and then you added that "it still means king". In other words:
It doesn't mean king and it means king poor Benin boy is desperate! Lol.
Also, you keep twisting, spinning and calling all Edo
elders fools and liars just because I embarrassed you with facts.
Edo elders all say OGISO (from: OGIE and ISO) means SKY-KING , but you poor and embarrased dude are here trying to turn away from that.
You can't run now where, OGISO means SKY KING (not sky royalty or sky royal as you're desperate to twist ) and since ISO is SKY, then OGIE is the EDO indigenous word for KING which again proves that "OBA" is alien and not indigenous to EDO.
The attached screenshot below from an Edo website like every other Edo websites and books also didn't call didn't call OGISO as SKY ROYAL or SKY ROYALTY instead it speaks the truth by admitting that it means SKY KING ....... Why is the truth too heavy to be uttered by your lying tongue?
You didn't know what to say in response to my point about Eweka speaking Yoruba his father's tongue despite been born and raised in Benin after his father had already left Benin.
Bnis spoke Yoruba language and one of the many piece of evidence is the fact that Eweka who was born and raised far away from Yoruba land spoke Yoruba language even the first time he will open his mouth to utter a word ... "OWOMIKA" (My hand(s) grasped it)
In other words, Yoruba is the language he had heard mostly (if not entirely) while he was growing up.
What precisely you you want to dispute here? Oh! Maybe Oba Erediauwa who unashamedly confessed this fact is also stupid according to you.
Yes, I knew you will run away when the facts hit you well, it's typical of liars to run away.
edo spoke yorubas hahaha.....then yorubas spoke benins if that is the case the first king of ife was osagangan...if we are going to go by your analogy again ooni mean king i see no reason why oba should be added to his title if they didnt borrow it to add to thier respective title I feel detest arguing with a tribe that has no form of documeented history all your kings of olds bore oba to thier title and so the first king in benin was obagodo
TAO11: No where did I mention that he is the first KING , my point is that he is the first OBA of Benin.
There was no OBA before him, what was there before was OGISO, and there was even no Benin before him.
And that's precisely the same point Ona Ewuare was making in the video link I shared before.
who told eweka to take upon the name oba even when is father never set is eyes on him ...did they write in a note ....i duobt ....the truth is the britshed help to popularized the name in the west if they had stayed longer maybe it would been the full southern nigeria
Ooni means king, Alaafin means king, Alake means king ... You aren't afraid to contradict yourself.
Three (and several more) obviously different words of the same language means "king" in your twisted mind, right? Lol!
To educate you, the word "Ooni" means: "The one who owns"
The word "Alaafin" (from: Olu-Afin) means: "The sovereign of the palace"
The word "Alake" means: "The sovereign of Ake"
... and so on.
These are DIFFERENT unique title for the DIFFERENT OBAs of the DIFFERENT Yoruba kingdoms.
And stop twisting my words. What I said, which is attested to by the whole world except you, is that:
Ogiso (from: Ogie and Iso) means Sky King.
And "OGIE" is the indigenous Edo word for "KING" not "OBA"
OBA is a loanword from Yoruba to Edo. It's not found in Edo lexicon prior to Oranmiyan.
But as for OBA it is found in Yoruba lexicon from time immemorial.
Names of many yoruba deities bears testimony:
OBAmeri OBAluaye OBAlufon OBAtala
lol....what ever onni mean it still means king just the way oba has its meaning but represent king
ogie is royalty not every duke in benin are called ogie you cant call obi of onitscha ogie .ogie like i said are people related to the king by blood in a sentence you could say everyone here are all ogies.meaning all of them are royalties..benin never spoke yoruba at any point of thier history dont force history on the benin people benin had a well documented history than the whole of yoruba race ...your anology of eweka speaking yoruba in benin is total off point .....if you dont have valid point again i bet i wont respond to you again
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