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Obalufon:
Oyo made it mark on Africa history Oyo fought much wars share territory with great Songhai empire ..empire ..Benin never rose to become an Empire

bush fighting versus cavalry fighting with long lance and sword

Haha ha....ure rite benin never made his mark only in africa but the world b Portuguese describe
The benin street as pave and broad as d street of lebanon well security guarded with street light
Art which is seen all over the world the only empire who brought European far nd near to trade in glorious empire the first empire to have an ambassador to portugal ,the empire that was controlling 5 yoruba state ondo,ekiti,ogun eko,osun ...the only empire in africa who walls were compared to that of China ..thesame empire who fought the fulani jihadist from auchi back to thier place this what oyo never did , thesame empire the french nd British fought to have it colonized by them ,the only empire who rose to fight the Almighty British who never sold his people to slavery ...pls if you sum up all the territory pop under the benin empire it would amount to millions ruled by thousands of people an some up the people ruled by britsh would amount have of the world more than half
and the benin made war with them and you dare to call benin bush hunting soldiers i bet the dahomey female warriors always looks at thier history i find pride defeating the men in oyo

Moneywomen17:
shut up. U act as if Benin are the only people who wears bead or circular beads

Prove to me yoruba LovePeddler or any in Nigeria without any trace to benin empire

Am getting to love dis argument

Moneywomen17:
no person named elkhadaren in Ife history only Benin own. Ur lost prince probably died in the jungle or remained lost forever. All other things u said are just bullshit

Prove to me is bull shit prove to me oduduwa died in jungle .... Prove to me oba heads were bried in ife show me d grave probably a head and i will show you most yoruba state where under the benin empire

Oduduwa seen here is wearing a rounded bead won by only benin royals i mean obi of onitsha,olu of warri etc yoruba kings wore long beads rolling dwn to d tummy probably adopted in d early 18c
Show me any mecca guy LovePeddler beed or white clothing ...i laff when prove is seen in oduduwa body but even the yorubas will still deniel it is a benin prince ....d round beed white clothes,the chains, walking stick,king of d sky(ogiso) all potray benin history of oduduwa

Even the yorubas wont accept this i bet the igbos already by now see the truth

Obalufon:
hmm you are stunned by the level of sophistication and realism of the art work ,aren't you? Mr know all .....show me one Benin bronze that is realism ..Realism is the apex of civilization that is why Yoruba are cerebrated all over the world

Young man dnt make me laff ...can u just goggle benin bronze on net i see fot ur self dat oduduwa of yours display a benin rounded beeded won by royals
Pls tell me which yoruba wears round beed or a mecca guy does ....when did Yoruba's start wearing beads ....the only beads yorubas wore was d one traded by the northern people and in d early 18c by the British in exchange of slave .....yoruba beads where never round nor thick like the one oduduwa wore....
In analogy of oduduwa yorubas believe he wore white clothes with strange beeds ,with chains and he describe his place he came from as heaven which is d meaning of ogiso(kings of d sky) probably with this analogy even the blind need not to be told anoda story of oduduwa this is main fact

Obalufon:
hmm you are stunned by the level of sophistication and realism of the art work ,aren't you? Mr know all .....show me one Benin bronze that is realism ..Realism is the apex of civilization that is why Yoruba are cerebrated all over the world

Young man dnt make me laff ...can u just goggle benin bronze on net i see fot ur self dat oduduwa of yours display a benin rounded beeded won by royals

Just like the round beads won by the oba of benin same win by izoduwa in this picture.....

If yorubas like argue with amadioha let him strike d full race for lies


This show he was clearly a benin prince

Obalufon:
Dahomey is even stock of Yoruba race they were ruled by oyo for centuries they were vassal state of oyo before they revolted and declared independent from oyo ..egba too declare independent by killing ajeles likewise other part of Yoruba land ....it would not have happened if afonja hadn't seceded from oyo afonja was the general of oyo

Lie lemme see prove ....Benin war with idah there is a prove to it festac mask ,so many prove to benin history so lets see oyo own if not d story is an hoax folktale

AreaFada2:
Afam, the grandfather of this Oba visited UK and other places as an Oba. Father of this Oba visited all states of Nigeria in early 1980s as a thank you visit to all the monarchs who came to his coronation.

Oba used to lead troops to war in ancient times. There are drawings of Oba on horseback taking a ride around Benin complete with dwarfs, leopards, courtiers, drummers, flutists, etc. Drawings by visiting Europeans centuries ago.

What people misconstrue as Oba does not leave Palace is that he's not seen often unless the occasion is important. Certainly not visiting people's homes or birthday parties as a matter of routine.

For example periodically The Central Mosque in Benin invites the Oba to their service. To commemorate when post 1853 an Oba of Benin gave land to the son of Eleko Kosoko, Prince Olojo, after Kosoko was deposed in Lagos. A son of Kosoko went to Benin, his ancestor being from there.

He built the first Mosque in Benin on that land, on Lagos Street, Benin.

Benin has so many history we lost so many so pop up when situation demands it like i always skul pple on dis history on the name ojo been answered in benin this what yoruba will see nd say benin was once speaking yoruba irony ...its disheartening to see we do yorubas as a subject in sec sch in edo and they don't do ours who dem made that stupid tribalistic law....anyway i feel satisfied when i read benin history nd see our yoruba brothers were under d grt territory of benin like ogun, eko ondo(osemawe on ondo) ,ekiti etc and still want to rewrite that

Yea...as you said well correct at a time oba was a warlord they nevered died in war also Europeans kings were once warlords later it changed to palace kings after the the idah war...oba weren't allowed to go out of the palace unless going to choose a wife or festival it later changed again in
The 19c after colonization paying homage to dignitaries who came for event ...i guess d Yoruba dont the obas has onced refused d queens of england invitation but sent his assistant

AreaFada2:
Afam, the grandfather of this Oba visited UK and other places as an Oba. Father of this Oba visited all states of Nigeria in early 1980s as a thank you visit to all the monarchs who came to his coronation.

Oba used to lead troops to war in ancient times. There are drawings of Oba on horseback taking a ride around Benin complete with dwarfs, leopards, courtiers, drummers, flutists, etc. Drawings by visiting Europeans centuries ago.

What people misconstrue as Oba does not leave Palace is that he's not seen often unless the occasion is important. Certainly not visiting people's homes or birthday parties as a matter of routine.

For example periodically The Central Mosque in Benin invites the Oba to their service. To commemorate when post 1853 an Oba of Benin gave land to the son of Eleko Kosoko, Prince Olojo, after Kosoko was deposed in Lagos. A son of Kosoko went to Benin, his ancestor being from there.

He built the first Mosque in Benin on that land, on Lagos Street, Benin.

Benin has so many history we lost so many so pop up when situation demands it ...its disheartening to see we do yorubas as a course in edo an they don't do ours who them made that stupid tribalistic law....anyway i feel satisfied when i read benin history nd see our yoruba brothers were under d grt territory of benin like ogun, eko ondo(osemawe on ondo) ,ekiti etc and still want to rewrite that

AreaFada2:
Afam, the grandfather of this Oba visited UK and other places as an Oba. Father of this Oba visited all states of Nigeria in early 1980s as a thank you visit to all the monarchs who came to his coronation.

Oba used to lead troops to war in ancient times. There are drawings of Oba on horseback taking a ride around Benin complete with dwarfs, leopards, courtiers, drummers, flutists, etc. Drawings by visiting Europeans centuries ago.

What people misconstrue as Oba does not leave Palace is that he's not seen often unless the occasion is important. Certainly not visiting people's homes or birthday parties as a matter of routine.

For example periodically The Central Mosque in Benin invites the Oba to their service. To commemorate when post 1853 an Oba of Benin gave land to the son of Eleko Kosoko, Prince Olojo, after Kosoko was deposed in Lagos. A son of Kosoko went to Benin, his ancestor being from there.

He built the first Mosque in Benin on that land, on Lagos Street, Benin.

Benin has so many history we lost so many so pop up when situation demands it ...its disheartening to see we do yorubas as a course in edo an they don't do ours who them made that stupid tribalistic law....anyway i feel satisfied when i read benin history nd see our yoruba brothers were under d grt territory of benin like ogun, eko ondo(osemawe on ondo) ,ekiti etc

Obalufon:
why so much hate towards Yoruba ...soon this country will breakup you will be join with the igbos obi of onicha will more revered than your ....Oba of benin omo No oba is highly revered throughout Yoruba land

No hate on yoruba am not ethnocentric or trabailist i will fight for another tribe if it seems right not to say mine i would always attack d yorubas on this yoruba nd edo issue as i know benin documented thier fact right through art...

And who said nigeria is going to split just an irony ...even it happened i guess edo pop is more than some africa countries i would prefer will stay alone than associate ourselves with another tribe you thinking hiding under the yoruba canopy don't forget it just an association it will always dissolve like one

nelronaldo:
Please it isn't omo oba.. it is omo n'oba (omo nor oba) which simply means a child who is born king because the throne is hereditary. Bini's next two kings are already born, even though the people haven't got to see them.
That said people will continue to argue about this yoruba and Bini kingdom history. It isn't just worth all the stress.

Tell them benin stole is primogeniture not elective by gods like that of yoruba...

A young ekaladeran wonder into ile ife thier gods favoured him nd made him a ruler and we asked him to return for his rightful stool which he refused nd sent his son ....yoruba would never accept this truth they rather take sniper and all die to accept this ....they prefer the chain climber story or the Arabian man who was probably a whiteman who found ife ...irony ...

Abeg still help me tell them benin empire is far greater than any in west African kingdom probably no 3 in africa unlike d yorubas who d female warriors of Dahomey raped the kingdom out of balance

Wealthandjobs:
The heads of past Oba of Benin buried in Ile-Ife says it all. Don't argue at your own disadvantage.
Give it to those wise ancestors of the Yoruba who insisted that their son's descendants heads be buried in Ile-Ife,they knew that someday some smart Alec will attempt to twist the truth.
Have you ever heard of an Ooni visit the Oba of Benin? The respected Oba of Benin is even behind the Alaafin of Oyo in ranking.
Long live Yoruba land. Long live Nigeria.

Hmmm...this shows recent painting is there no acient carving or statue like to prove is real come here in benin nd see real artefact not fake painting made of walls of a pit toilet

Wealthandjobs:
The heads of past Oba of Benin buried in Ile-Ife says it all. Don't argue at your own disadvantage.
Give it to those wise ancestors of the Yoruba who insisted that their son's descendants heads be buried in Ile-Ife,they knew that someday some smart Alec will attempt to twist the truth.
Have you ever heard of an Ooni visit the Oba of Benin? The respected Oba of Benin is even behind the Alaafin of Oyo in ranking.
Long live Yoruba land. Long live Nigeria.

And were is d head ,where is the chain came down with
I can assure you emotan grave his still in benin,idia grave is still in benin all obas grave are still in d palace i see why yoruba(cunny) people twist history and no evidence to bck thier lies

Someone should guess my opinon

slurryeye:
I can't believe I'm doing this with you all over again. But I will take the pain to educate you and your likes. Did you just say that Dahomey kept record from 14th century when Dahomey was actually founded in 1600? I'm sure every historians are laughing their butts off to that comment now. Did you just say Oyo didn't keep records of their history? Another laughable comment. Oyo records are everywhere so much so that the list of kings from Oranmiyan the first king to Ajaka the 2nd king to Shango the 3rd king up to the present Alaafin HRH Lamide Adeyemi III are well kept and well known to African historians. Oyo never revised account of Benin, Dahomey or any other tribe at that because like they always say "Ajisebi Oyo la n ri, Oyo sebi baba eni kan kan". The only affiliation Oyo has with another Kingdom is with Ile Ife because the founding father of Oyo Oranmiyan was a descendant of Oduduwa. See below the list of Alaafin of Oyo from first king to the present king
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_the_Yoruba_state_of_Oyo




People have told you that is a myth just like Greek, Roman, Vikings, Hindu etc. mythology. Guess what? it was not only Oduduwa that came from the sky according to myth the royal founder of Nri kingdom, was also sent from the sky by Chukwu. Say what? ....you don't know Eri also came from the sky

"Nri's royal founder, Eri, is said to be a 'sky being' that came down to earth and then established civilization"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Nri



I don't need to explain Oduduwa being a Benin prince because it never exist. Benin people can believe what ever they wanna believe, but one thing they can't deny is that Oranmiyan, the descendant of Oduduwa gave Benin the name Bini which is what they are using till date. Are you surprised the first Oyo king gave Bini (Ile Ibinu) its name? Like I said before, you need a lot to learn in African history, and for you to learn, you need to free your mind from hate. Guess what? It's not only Benin that try to associate with Yoruba, hausa too does through there Banzai bakwa fabrication. I guess everyone likes to associate with success. Innit?



Bini is not older kingdom to Oyo, and can never be because the first Oba of Bini who was Eweka I was the son of Oranmiyan. Though Benin people claim there was Igodomigodo during Ogiso era which was not powerful, but they never denied that Oranmiyan established bini kingdom, gave them the name and installed his son Eweka I as the first Oba of the kingdom



Though I provided you with landmark structure of Oyo in my last post, you decided to look away from it. You know what, if you want to know about the greatness of Old oyo empire, drive to Old Oyo national park north of present Oyo state and south of Kwara state. Say what? You don't know there is a national park for Old oyo empire. Fyi, the park covers a massive 2500 square kilometer. You will see magnitudes of landmark structures and artifacts. Just watch out for the wildlifes there so you don't get eaten because of your hate.



With this comment, I'm quite sure you haven't heard of Oranmiyan staff (the most iconic and biggest man-made artifact made in what is now called Nigeria). Dude you need more reading I swear. The monolith was built around 1300 standing at almost 6 meters tall

http://www..com/12-interesting-things-you-never-knew-about-the-mysterious-opa-oranmiyan-oranmiyan-s-staff-in-ile-ife/

http://afrotourism.com/attraction/oranmiyan-staff/



I'm sure this particular point has been covered by some topics on Nairaland. While Yoruba has meaning for Oba, Benin find it difficult to explain what the word means in their language.
Now for the purpose of enlightenment, I will educate you and your likes some Yoruba language structure. See the word "Ba" is very significant in Yoruba language, and it means reign over or oversee something. Examples include
Baale: (the "le" sound is like in let), the expansion of the word is Ba (reigns over) and Ile (the land). So the word Baale means someone that reigns over a land or someone that oversee things on a particular land or area. This title is used for leader of a small communities or villages in Yorubaland
Bale: (the "le" sound is like in lay), the expansion of the word is Ba (reigns over) and ile (the house). So the word Bale means someone that reigns over a house or someone that oversee things in a house. This title is used for husband as they are the head of a house in Yoruba tradition
Oba: the word Oba is a shorten form of eni to ba le gbogbo. Logically, it is sensible to use Oba instead of eni to ba le gbogbo. The break down of the expression eni to ba le gbogbo is eni (someone), to ba (reigns over) and le gbogbo (everything). Hence Oba (eni to ba le gbogbo) means someone that reigns over everything whether it is land, house, river or any goddamn thing.



There is no such thing that Benin, Dahomey and Oyo was used interchangeably in Oyo history. It is something playing in your head. If you have evidence to proof it show it. Like I said earlier "Ajisebi Oyo lan ri Oyo ose bi baba enikan kan". Go ask a Yoruba person to explain it to you



Oyo does not need to invade Dahomey because Dahomey was a vassal state to Oyo empire from 1740 to 1823 that was paying tribute to Oyo. Benin empire on the hand was an empire that got started and named by the founding father of Oyo (Oranmiyan), so why would they attack it? The fact that you keep mentioning Dahomey in comparison to Oyo makes me and others that know African history giggle at your lack of African history. Dahomey was inconsequential in west africa history and have absolute no threat to Oyo until king Ghezo broke tributary status to Oyo and ended vassal state position to Oyo in mid 1800s. The only reason he broke away from Oyo was because Oyo was experience a tremendous internal political unrest that time that led to its fall. The reason for the internal political unrest is a discussion for another time. The same Dahomey you are shouting about was massacred by Egba warriors twice. You don't know? Just google Egba-Dahomey war.



There are no questions here. All what you have said are lies and fabrications playing in your head as a result of your hate for Yoruba.



You can't provide anything because you have absolute no supporting document or evidence to support your lies



Are you now a spokeperson for the Ijebus? I thought in your initial post that you said Ijebus are not Yoruba. How many mouths do you have? I'm sure you're marveling at how great the Ijebus are with the discovery of the Eredo earthwork. One of the biggest man made structure in the world. See the Yoruba that you know now comprised of many empires and kingdoms such as Ile Ife, Oyo, Ijaye, Ijebu, Owu, Igbomina, Ekiti, Akure, Ila Orangun, Ilesha, Iwo, Eko, Ogbomosho, Oke-ila, Ondo, Oshogbo, Ota, Owo etc. So when Yoruba tell any other tribe they are not their mate, that is a fact

Come to think of it what would make a yoruba come to benin to rule it when the empire political system is hereditary not elective system

This shows that edo birthed oduduwa who was called izoduwa the yorubas practice elective system which the gods select thier leaders it can easily be deduced that izoduwa was liked by the gods of yorubaland and made him a ruler benin came later to request for the ogiso bloodline back in the palace and foubd out he had already taken refuge at ile ife he sent his son to rule benin on his behalf alongs with yoruba chiefs ...when he got to benin he couldn't defeat the man on throne and left with anger saying ile ibinu the land
Of anger which was later corrupted by the poutuguese as benin

I stiil wonder why yoruba skip oduuduwa benin migration and start from the end to potray lies just the way you did

Coolitempq:
If my post was too lengthy why didn't you delete it content therein, cut it short or highlight the part you wish to disprove instead you choose to alter my quote to mean something else, unless you change that I wouldn't take you seriously and I don't expect anyone too as well.

That said, a good test for history is that it should be able to stand alone in it narratives or account which Yoruba history clearly fails also oral history have never been as good source for history as its narrative is watered down from generations to generations or could be altered to magnify or suit the narrators intentions.

If Oyo was as great a kingdom and not a proxy administrative province how is it that they could not keep records, when Dahomey and Benin kingdoms and other great kingdoms, kept records of their history as far back as the 14th century and Oyo could not keep its own coming 200 year after instead the choose to parade a revised account of the Benin and Dahomey empire as their own history, and chose to call the to kingdoms descendants of Oduduwa and by extension Yorubas.

How do you explain
Oduduwa falling from the sky
How do you explain Oduduwa actually being a Benin prince
How do you explain the Benin kingdom being an older kingdom with records of all it kingship till date and Oyo empire having no records
How do you explain the fact that Benin kingdom have landmark structures and artifacts that depict a kingdom even Ijebu that ran a small kingdom had land mark structures, so why does a kingdom as mighty as Oyo have non.
How do you explain the fact that no ancient historical palace, royal ornaments, king graves or artwork that depict a kingdom or royalty existed in Oyo as it was found in Benin, Dahomey and Nri.
How do you explain a recent Oyo and Yoruba kingdom claiming the title Oba a Benin word for king which Yorubas now claim to be Yoruba words, when in reality it was borrowed during the annexation by Benin.
How to you explain the fact the the words Benin, Dahomey and Oyo have to be used interchangeably in Oyo empire history when no such word is used in Benin or Dahomey history except where they give records of their exploits in yorubaland.
How do you explain the fact that no record of Oyo warriors invading Benin or Dahomey, when they are endless records of the reverse.

The questions are endless, pointers to the fact that no empire existed in Oyo are to numerous to ignore, these are simple questions that kills any idea or narrative of any Oyo empire.

I would have help you work around the answers to come to a conclusion that shows that what you called and empire was actually a administrative province for other great kingdoms.

Before I do that like I said you change my initial post which you quoted so I can't take you serious or i will not waste my time with you if you don't change it back but I am only providing this questions so reader don't take you serious as well.

Personally I think the Yorubas should have projected Ijebu as that great and mighty kingdom instead of Oyo as Ijebu would have been more marketable to the world.

If you go through the thread you will see that I am politely engaging 9jacool who is coming up with a more logical arguement without altering any of my post.

Hilarious dont kill yorubas today let them live so they see the true history unfold before thier lies as for me d greatest man in yorubaland is awolowo not oduduwa ...awolowo was the bckbone of yoruba modern face he lied to make his ethnic group to find something to hold on he lied to a whole nation and united all yorubas rewrote thier history nd quickly introduced it to the midwest where they subjected the edos history with thier fabricated lies ..edos who the British was afriaid ti give education so as not to expose them on the injustice commited by the British quickly took education to the north and west the north didnt value it neither the west untill awolowo did a formal introduction and gave free edu to yorubas and they all came together to rewrite thier history against the edo has plamned by the british so has to keep the edo mouth shut..

Before the British left the deed was already done and edos were already used to the new edo with so much anger towards the injustice by the British and nigeria towards the edo the oba rejected ever participating towards politics and as you know the edos followed the oba as well

Iamoluwaslim:
No one is impregnating anyone. The use of surrogate mother, the semen and the egg would get in her womb through insemination! No s3xual intercourse is required to reproduce in same sex families.

Gayist everywhere

When there is no industries in the land churches and schools become industry's where there is lawlessness in the land even the pastors becomes tax collector's....


People are hungry pastors are building more churches countlessly ...thier church members support them nd convice people to... They abscond the book of James 2 :15-16

Am no atheist but if i be the president of the country this what i would do to all religion
1) christan and muslim pay taxes for thier big churches excluding the traditionalist
2)..all churches should be sound prove
3) salvation becomes more personal than it was
4..religious warriors will face delt penalty
5.scramble MURIC and CAN
6. Lastly scramble sharia court...

I weak.....ogun where are you get ready to strike....
What a fuckery ...govt should put laws on the gays to restrict them from adopting children or impregnating anylady....

Still wonder how it is when a man and lady is in the house is choas not to say two male is going to be a disaster if issue burst up....

Hmm...i forsee future revenge in 10yrs to come from the 12yr old girl both the lady and family will pay for it ....she just made herself venurable to the public and more to the girl i bet even if she is taken to the prison the 12 girl would still find her to kill her there

Guidette:
Breasts were sexualized by the white man. Most native African cultures saw breasts as nourishment for babies, that's why most traditional wears did not discriminate between men and women when covering the chest area.

It was after colonialisation that breasts were seen by Africans as a sexual object. That's the main reason why black men usually get carried away with ass than white men that like flat ass.

Through talk i observed it whitemen loves flatass blackmen loves ukwucious ass i thank god am black can eat bone

See the real deal here
Them her boobs is standard

https://mbasic.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1944634539155309&id=100008263440077&set=a.1928111807474249.1073741840.100008263440077&source=56

Thunder fire every gay in nl and in Nigeria....for sango was not gay orumila was not ogun was not
Jesus was not ....the people who support thier ancestors were not even thier parents was not...

So hw u preach to me

felaismyhero:
lol,guy,am not gay o,but i swear i can live with one,as far as no seducing(if gals seduce,it should not be shocking to find gays seduce).we just need understanding as humans,this matter can be compared to when a person likes to dip bread in water and another hates it.we cant all like the same thing!,we need tolerance to understand

My friend ure going mad ...u stay with them just wait the day they will gang rape ur ass wide apart...


Probably ure a fellow gay who is hiding under 50 50 comment

Busted##

Butterflyleo:
He is an atheist. A lot of atheists support homosexuality because they believe man is also an animal and since some animals practice same sex union then humans should not be an exception. It makes you wonder the degree of insanity working in these atheists

That is no atheists... Atheist were never gay they dont believe in God they believe on natural phenomenon and natural phenomenon is man and woman not the other way round

We also have polytheism, monotheism same atheism all don believe on gay even traditionalists

Nigeria would have taken her words serious if be it...

The queen england is a lesbian and had no children to heir the throne

She was not even our colonial she shld Bleep herself and the queen of England

Nigerian youth are so guliable we celebrate mediocrity we celebrate corruption we celebrate thieftry and we say we want to help fight corruption no corruption can end now 98% of nigeria are ignorant of the truth their mind is of the 8century thinking .we blamel buhari for insecurity when security lies right at our nose we cnt even uphold it....no one feel disgust on how he gets the money for that expensive car he could be of a bad means but the youth dont mind they go ahead an celebrate it alongside thier pastor's ...a businessman will never spend so much money on luxurious stuff if he is a buisness man. but no i doubt probably a druglord which i also doubt on which i believe is ritualists... Its high time the youth become an elite than an literate#

O.p

If edo is not on that list then sorry ure wrong

Am crying for the northern nigeria and central

Religion has eaten thier bones to the core it left them fleshless... Why the southerners are waking up from their dogmatic attitude towards religion the north are holiding to theirs forsaking education for religion nomatter what govt will do to enhance thier state it will still belike a big beem thrown in a mansion...

Benue ...people if you cant fight then you all should wait to die... isreal is surrounded by muslim territories who wages war against them per minute. But they still strong and defeating thier islamist agenders i see no excuse for the benue people if the Nda millitant can fight our so called soliders then what excuse do you guys have....alies are every where who would help in wagging war against them...

Quote: an african man will tell an excuse why he failed

YourNemesis:
HOW DO YOU KNOW where they are from?

From my observation, this is somewhere in the SS. And who told you the West practice underage marriage?

And are you seriously advocating that the baby be killed?

Are trying to defend the west with no prove ...
I can account on westerners who pratice underage marriage just like the north mostly the yoruba muslims Pasay

And for the baby what choice do you give it i bet even surgery wont work on him look at his eyes all bloody its not just skin defection alone ...probably give it a chance to survive it wont ...
Probably donate the baby for an experiment so it help other people ...dont forget the wisest decision is the hardest to make