₦airaland Forum

BabaRamota1980:
Forget about my foolishness and face the issue.

Defend how foreign names creeped into your monarchy.

Where is Ekaladheran?

.. He birthed the whole yoruba race what a great man....bow to edo everywhere we go we establish a duke

Olu317:
Awesome!

Gangs of lies

BabaRamota1980:
Where is your fugitive ancestor Ekaladheran?

Is a king that birthed your generation run and come and payhomage to ogiso dynasty

Olu317:
What is even wrong with you that you lacked etiquette at manner you use words wrongfully at people? It seems you are pained . Little do you know that Balogun existed before 18th century. You hardly give references but instead you use vulgar words on people ,simply because of facts that you are not able to contest...Go study harder to know Edos are under Yoruba Race.

Never disputed the fact that weren't baloguns

Why would edo be under Yoruba territory when iy is documeted by the british that yorubas were under the benin empire

MetaPhysical:
Hmmmmm....You raised a valid question. I will give you the answer in full details.

First, there are only two kingdoms with undisputable Benin dynasties in the Yoruba Commonwealth and neither of them was conquered -
1 - Olu of Warri
2 - Olu of Eko (Olu Eko, or Eleko) of Lagos.

Let me point to you that if either of these two were to spun a new independent dynasty elsewhere the title for that new dynasty will not be Olu...rather will be something else. There is no Yoruba tier-dynasty whose name is duplicitous in the next tier-kingdom. Never!

Oba is a covenant of sovereignty symbolized by the palm fronds and Akoko leaves. We have not found anywhere else in Africa that the monarchy is coronated using Akoko leaves. It is uniquely Yoruba. Oba derives from BA. You mention the people of BA in a circle of historians and archeologists and they will tell you it's Yoruba, not Edo.

Every crown head in Yorubaland was taken through the rites of the covenant and thus officially becomes Oba. The throne he sits on defines the title he bears. Let me repeat, the CROWN is the OBA, the THRONE IS THE TITLE. Thus Oba Adeyemi, Alaafin of Oyo will mean the Crown King Adeyemi of the Throne of Oyo.

So when Oranmiyan left Ife for Edo it was purposeful. The purpose was to start a new kingdom in Edo, based on the request tabled to the Kingmakers of Ife. So he was equipped before leaving Ife, with Priests and other Chiefs to proceed to Edo and investiture a new dynasty. Your Kings in Benin don't wear Ife or any Yoruba crowns, even though the origin of your dynasty is Ife. This might have been by design, but you are a foreign people and foreignland, you cannot be equated with the divine Obas in Yorubaland....this should explain why you were given Omo N'Oba N'Edo.


On the issue of conquests, it beats me why no scholar has taken up the challenge to dispute that Benin waged war and conquered Lagos. Who were the warriors that Benin fought in Lagos? The Aworis? (quadruple laugh)

The Aworis are Yorubas. There is no Yoruba kingdom that does not have a BALOGUN or BASHORUN, sometimes both! Aworis in Lagos have never had, and till today still do not have a Balogun title. Why? Because they have never fought a war. So who did the Benins fight to conquer Lagos?

The only Balogun in Lagos today is Balogun Tapa of Lagos. How did this come about? In the war of Agidingbi in 1851, in which Kosoko fought the British and Oshodi Tapa was the war General. King Kosoko had Abagbon Chiefs (The Bini war Chiefs) there at his disposal but they were not useful. The war was commanded by Kosoko himself with Oshodi as the General and Ipossu as the deputy. Oshodi's gallantry earned him Balogun of Lagos after the war and peace treaty that brought them back from Epe and resettled in Lagos.


So who did Benin fight to conquer Lagos, if the Aworis did not fight a war with you? Bini history is pregnant with a lot of fables and make-believe stories. It is time historians begin to peel through each of your stories to reconstruct the truth.

Yoruba could not have given you the Oba title, the same way you did not give Itsekiri or Lagos Omo N'Oba title.

Am smiling ...because it seem you just could speak English dont mean youre educated
Must they be a balogun i bet most yorubas particularly Oyo had no idea of the aworis till the late 18c ...must they be a balogun if there was no balogun as you said it was probably as a result of little or no knowledge of the awori people ...
And if i decide to come to ur town and claim myself the ruler of your town by force wont you attack me or would you just let me rule...you will definately attack. the only way you wont attack is when you probably have weighed my military strength and is way higher than the chance you have on me.... Leaving lagos out of it. we also ruled akure,owo,ondo,ekiti and part of ibadan we would have exceeded to oyo and osun if not the british invasion....
When you wanna argued solidified history dont go close to the benis aint joke at all oyo or ile ife is a village kingdom compare to a city empire like Benin with great walls like that of china and great moat which are among the wonders of the world
Great works of art that changed the 19c believe system of the white on Africans...
And lastly the spatial organization of benin that made the Portuguese call it a city that is the spatial concept the british took over to Britain and created same pattern in thier queen square in lodon..you see the Queen square in lodon is just the same design with ring road or kingsquare in Benin

And i know you will start quoting with pop pretty soon you forget that russia was a continent before america spilited them into various country..thats dsame would happen to yorubas if understimate a small pop we have survived what the yoruba race never survived a war which took thousands of benin indigenes and made us a minority i bet if yoruba take have of america rut they will go into extinction

[quote author=Hati13 post=67586307]Up to Grade 7, students learn all subject except English by their native languages. From Grade 7 onwards, all subjects (except Amharic and others who require non-English languages) are given in English. So you can say that English is the official language for education for most subjects from Grade 7 onwards.

After the current government came to power, we don’t have official language and writing system, but the de facto one is Amharic language and Ethiopic (Geez) script.
I really appreciate if Amharic language and Ethiopic script are made official but people like Tigray are against Amharic while Oromo are again both Amharic language and Ethiopic script.

I understand your reason but English shouldn’t be made official language of the country in any circumstance in Ethiopia.[/quote

Yea you have ur reason better the way the sysetem is...it was like that in nigeria then schools taught with local diakect but it killed our English so school later let go of local dialect but its still been practise in some state in nigeria we also have a general language the pidgin English mixture of slangs nd ebglish and we have our local dialect each with our offical language English

greatface:


This is my first time of making FTC.
And it signifies that Nigeria will squash Argentina in the coming world cup.

If they like let them line up even their retired and dead squad, we sure will beat them this time around.

So the MODS do use to push topics without any comment to FP while so many topics with relevant contributions has been sidelined for years especially in the Programming Section.

Its past working hour already but am expecting my account to be credited by morning for making FTC.

I laff in chaquando credit ke cre you won't see not of dit

Moneywomen17:
my guy it’s seems like u are really daft and am just about getting tired of ur bullshit. U said and I quote “no Yoruba use oba as a title before 19c” to which I reply no Yoruba still use oba as a title and I told u to mention just one Yoruba king who change his title to oba in the 19c and abandon the title he was using before and u are saying am admitting to a lie what lie. How many time will I tell u that a title of the king is different from the particular word oba which just means king seperate from any title. Now me lecture u there is nothing called Ooni of Ife it’s a modern word as u can see the of is English. It’s ooni ife or Ewi ado. Titles like Ewi and soun for example but there is a history on why they chose that title. All this thousands of title doesn’t mean king unless u are daft to believe Yoruba have thousands of word for king. For example if am to call the ijebu king now I will say awujale ijebu oba sikiru not awujale ijebu awujale sikiru or called the Ewi ado Ewi adelana it will oba adelana. Ur skull is thick but i will drill this into ur head title word for king both seperate. What issue nairaland issue if there is disunity among Yoruba they will always fight dirty and if u want to use that as a refer point I will also point ogiamen family saying ur king is a tenant that’s Benin issue

Lol..am tiyad of quoting three people
And exposing thier ass

Question
Who was obatanla or obalufe
2) were they kings or citizen
3.) Why was thier name picked the represent king
4).give me a reasonable prove obatanta nd obalufe they aunt just made up lies

BabaRamota1980:
The heir to the throne is Aremo. When we create new dynasty in new land we place an Oba or Omo Oba.

Oba - King
Omo Oba - Prince or Duke

Omo does not exist in Edo lexicon
Your first encounter with Oba is the 2nd dynasty brough to rule you from Yorubaland.

Tell me anywhere else in your antiquity, prior to 2nd dynasty, where Edo people used Oba for a throne. It cannot be found in your history.


Bini is different from Edo. Bini is the Yoruba dynasty and its society. Edo is the Ogieso dynasty and its society.

Bini is foreign, Edo is indigenous. Omo Oba is not indigeneous to Edo.

If it was rightfully yorubas i bet yoruba would use omo n oba to refer to thier prince instead of thier various names like aremo...

Tell me where yoruba used oba before 19c and i will show benins used in 14c

BabaRamota1980:
If Oba is Edo originally.... why are there no Obas anywhere else in Edoland?

Beside, you dont have Oba....what we placed in your land to rule over you is Omo Oba.


Notice how i persistently separate Edo from Bini in my replies. Im here to demystify your hoax.

Why would they be oba somwhere else in edo land the world oba is uniquely for him alone they cant be two oba in a place the person who tried in the past was beheaded

Here omo n oba(the king son)
Now to show yorubas dont have oba the alafin don is called aremo not omo alafin

Moneywomen17:
i see that now and I keep telling u there is no adoption are u daft. Name one king in Yoruba land that use oba as his title instead of his normal title before this (19c) adoption. Just one

Ok now u have admitted another lie...we getting somwhere...

So if oba want used by ur kings in 19c why d knew adoption along with thier title like ooni of ife oba ogunwansi akanbi is that not tautology like saying king of ife oba(king) ogunwansi akanbi blablabla... It doesnt rhythm... This simply wanting pple to know the name belongs to u falsefully out of desperation you started putting it as an introductory background for all your king
It simply oba(king) of benin not the former..when all royalty are at a meeting u simply say all ogies are in a meeting not all obas ogie means royalty

Nothing u say can ever convince me ...obalufon is a lie he never existed same with obatanla if they did then obaghodo existed too...

Oba is a benin world a king from benim took it upon itself without contact from his father then you yorubas who were primitive savaged unorginised people come to tell benins who had a well documented history his story's

Am always here when yorubas have issue and they start spilling the truth ijebu has alredy stated that dey came from sudan thats beging of division

Moneywomen17:
my guy answer this question why was it that before u had any contact with ife u use ogiso(sky king) but the moment an ife prince came to ur town coincidentally u started using oba. Out of all edoid language etsako people use Ogie as king uhrobo use Ovie even itsekiri that has a Benin ruler also use ogiame which apparently means king of the water so why does edo use oba to refer to king

Go through my quote i have answerd dat
And why is till 19c yoruba adopted d name oba for thier king

BabaRamota1980:
Where did you conquer Yoruba territory? Which Yoruba territory did you conquer?

Ooh i cry u dont know ur history am done with you bring another yoruba arguer who admit this u have already admitted two oduduwa history is false thats ok

My six question are in my quote check them and answer it apart from dat am not answering u anymore since u dont know benin conqured yorubas

Moneywomen17:
my guy do u read at all where did I say oba is title in Yoruba I said it’s yoruba word for king why things like ooni and alafin are just their title. Read well below and stop acting like someone without eyes. I never said Ogie mean royalty u said that. Everybody know Ogie is Benin word for king. There is nothing to justify edo word for king Ogie and Yoruba word for king oba

Then if oba is yoruba word for king and ooni have thier respectve title if you can accept this why not accept ogie means royalty and oba means tittle

BabaRamota1980:
The root of it is at your foreign title...Omo N'Oba. Not Oba...but a descent from an Oba lineage. That which was issued forth from an Oba.

You had Ogiso. Omo is not your vocabulary in Edo. So how did Omo N'Oba become your ruler?

What you should have had is Ovie 'Giso....the child of Ogiso as rulers.

What is foreign vocab doing in your monarchy lineage if he wasnt a foreigner?

Are u aware we conquered yoruba territories
So who are u going to say borrowed the name
Ure speaking english does dat means it belongs to you...one day u gonna tell me every wod in benin is yoruba
Our language is well structured some wods hve two names like ass in benin is called onisan ,ikebe

[quote author=Moneywomen17 post=67551908]my guy show me where u read it anywhere that olu means king who told u that. Olu means lord. Again u do this all the time write up nosebse that have been explained to u over and over again. How many times will I lecture u that oduduwa falling from the sky is a myth after his death he was deify like so many other in Yoruba history. And also the Mecca story is a recent made up one by Yoruba Muslim to connect oduduwa to their religion not fact. Oduduwa met people some ruler in ife and when he was crowned king made those king he met some sort of ruler under him something like a chief. And one of such ruler under him is the Obalufe http://thehopenewspapers.com/2016/03/adediwura-emerges-new-obalufe-of-ile-ife/. The artifact that was taken from ife I hope u know they did a carbon dating on it that shows it’s ancient not some 70 years old like u will like us to believe. U said I discarded that oduduwa met people in ife please show me anywhere that I said that u fucking liar u know u are really annoying the way u lie like other people aren’t viewing this thread except u. [/qfirst

Just answer those six question

All those link u brought are recently written there is a link i will also show which say edo had obagodo or ogiso ...those it prove anything both the obalufe nd obaghodo were recently written i would he be oromiyan ruled maybe benin would have said he brought the name to ife nd again Yoruba nevered conqured any edo town but edo did so through conquering names ,food culture are transfered just like the way british made us speak english so 100℅ logically sure thats how oba got to yoruba just like d way benin got to dahomey and they don't lie about it

If wanna still argue am here for you but first answer those 6 question first

So two history if Yoruba to you is false thankgod one yoruba has admitted it out of many but how am i sure the third youre bring aint going to be well packaged lie

Olu317:
Funny enough, I thought the only set of people that bear names related to kingly lineage, uses Oba as a prefix or suffix to their names. Least I forget, Bini history,acknowledged a lot slaves that rose up to the position of Iyatse. This showed there were many people who may not even be of Edo ancestry ,from historical account. We really want to know if there are people who are of Ogiemien descendants that bore or bear “Oba" as prefix or suffix, to their names,in the ancient times or present day ?

Silly question.....if an ogiemen linage decides to give his son obasohan woukd you stoo him or do u want me to tell you a lie that i know ...if wanna use ogiemen for your point dont forget oba gave other territories under it different title like olu of waari,obi of onitsha etc this is to show oba for himself collectively they all obas to thier respective zones...this is simple english

Moneywomen17:
u gave me ur imagination origination of the word. I have showed u how the word (ba) is very much used in the Yoruba lexicon even separate from king. But u ignore it. Ur king title is the shining white or whatever u call it but what’s ur word for king in particular and the truth is it’s ogie u can try to deny it all u want. No Yoruba king till today use oba as title so there is no recent adoption they still go by ooni alafin as their title but our particular word for king is oba seperate from whatever title the chose for themselves when the become king. Get that into ur thick skull. Oba word for king is different from the thousands of title so many Yoruba oba bears.

I laff mouth piece of the yorubas ....guilty conscience ....two title for king u must be silly to lie that kind lie to my face oba(title) ooni(title) just like d way u have said ogie means royalty in benin then thier respective title follow just like u have said ..but i could also say oba is general to all kings under benin territories then thier respective tittle follows ..if not oba is respected in benin most monarchs will take up upon themselves to bear d name oba and what would you say to that ... nobody will ever take yoruba history serious they were all formed in d 19c when olokun head and oduduwa heads were found in ife they quickly beg the british to take it so thier art can go where Benin art as gone ...

Obalufun or obatanla are propanganda me nd you know it ....oba is alien to yoruba ...justify if

Moneywomen17:
u gave me ur imagination origination of the word. I have showed u how the word (ba) is very much used in the Yoruba lexicon even separate from king. But u ignore it. Ur king title is the shining white or whatever u call it but what’s ur word for king in particular and the truth is it’s ogie u can try to deny it all u want. No Yoruba king till today use oba as title so there is no recent adoption they still go by ooni alafin as their title but our particular word for king is oba seperate from whatever title the chose for themselves when the become king. Get that into ur thick skull. Oba word for king is different from the thousands of title so many Yoruba oba bears.

If we wanna talk use the yoruba dont use the word oba compare to edo state particularly benin just forget useage we have the words in our names in our social activities ,in our parable everything

Moneywomen17:
lol u and davidnaze I don’t know who is my ridiculous. Ogiso means royal from the sky if I e-slap u. The community oduduwa met had people like obalufon and co so it predates oduduwa arrival to ife. Ogie means king in ur language. Let me break this down to u o means he like in Yoruba u say o ti lo si Igbo means he has gone to the bush. Ba means rule that’s why there is baale ruler of a small community ale(alee) and ile (ilee)same thing means land. Some will ask tani baale ilu yi (who is the ruler of this community) while the husband of the house is ba ile that’s how it’s pronounced means the ruler of the house. Now Yoruba is a tonal language ile means both house and land depending on how u pronounce it if u are an historian u should have know the influence of the word ba in Yoruba u even say word in Yoruba like mo ju iba yin oo oba wa (i bow to u our king) oba is oba Lori nhgnogbo (ruler over everything) and oduduwa is more revered than the other monarch same way people like sango, Ogun and oranmiyan are more revered coz they did something special when they were alive. And I googled meaning of ogiso from different source it came up thesame sky king. In fact u are the first revisionist to say it means royalty from the sky.

You have just said the truth but u don't want to admit it because you prefer the lies
Yoruba are lost .its annoying a kingdom like benin with well documented fact hisory still argues a primitive people like oyo our art bronze aint just art but document of history before i start
Reigning insult on the empire lemme show why i will never take you guys serious....

Oduduwa history say he was the first settler in ife came with his people from mecca or sky and establish ile ife ...now you claim otherwise the benin says he ment a ruler at ife while he went to ife you discarded it becuae of pride ...now you are same person who is admitting there was a ruler before oduduwa ...
Question

1) obalufon was is it a title or the person name
2) if it was title why was it changed
3) if it was a name of the ruler why did yoruba adopt it as a title for kings
4) obama wa given by a kenyan man does that mean it originated from nigeria
5) edo is used by japan does that mean is from benin
6) olu also means leader why did yoruba not adopt it for a title
To this analogy oba olu fon it comprises of three names oba king olu king fon which i know nothing of so if they were two words indicating kings why did yoruba pick oba instead of olu this showed the never made use of the world till 19century .and obalufun was probalbly someones name not a title he he was the ooni of ife with his name obalufon thirdly this could obalufun was probably was formed ro counter benins ...if the old folktale says oduduwa was the first settler then obalufon was fake it originated to counter benins ....i could also there was obaghodo and take it up with no prove to it then just mere writup on net ...ours had prove on his origin prove that lasted uptill the 19c which proves that its only the benis dat bore the name oba most of all youruba works artefact were discovered less than 70yrs ago even the ife head even motemi statue was recently constructed even the oduduwa festival are all recent this to show your history is recent unlike the edos that documented everything on art....obalufon whatever you call his its fake argue with ur yoruba people how odudwa originated first

Moneywomen17:
so between its whitening or shining that Benin oba means or the Yoruba own the ruler over everything which one make more sense for a king

Benin own makes more sense i gave u biography of the origin of the name...but u havnt given urs

I tekk you names special like that don't just pop up from the mouth it began with something
Names liie paharoah,queen,king they all have origin why how the world was cunned
But you havnt told me urs....

And again orimiyan never ment his father he was trained by chiefs this brought about y pribce dont get to see thier father even till death...but it has been changed now just imagine how long this tradition was practised.... So i dont know how orimiyan wispered in a little boy of 3months old that oba would be your title....
And even if he did tell the chiefs to put him as an oba not ogiso then why did orimiyan himself didnt install himself as an oba where he went to
It was believe when he left he went to establish oyo ...he took upon himself alafin not oba so you see the word oba was cunned by a benin prince eweka just like the rest oduduwa linage took coined thier own title ....and i will say again the word oba spread to Yoruba nation due to conquest by benins before precolonial times yoruba kings bear thier respective title with no oba attached to it ...just like when the french named Dahomey after benin does that mean dahomey was originally benin. Think?

Moneywomen17:
why didn’t u call ur king oba before oramiyan u instead call him Ogiso. My guy Ogie is ur word for king same in etsako. In Yoruba baale (ba ile) is ruler over a small community, (Ba ile) is the ruler of the house and Balogun (ba Ogun) ruler of the military unit. So oba lori ngbogbo is the ruler over everything is king. Ooni is the king title oonirisa same with Alafin same with owa-obokun same with awujale same with soun same with Ewi Same with Ogoga, same with elemure same with osemawe are u telling me all those word mean king in Yoruba. Oba is the only word for king in Yoruba and edo and edoid speaking group like etsako use ogie as king uhrobo Ovie without g. So tell me how did word which was first use to describe ur first king who coincidentally come from ife is an edo word.

Dont twist history am an historian its spelt baale not ba ile
And again ogie means royalty go on goggle search it out ogiso( royal from sky)
U havnt still told me how d word oba originated or the meaning ...hmm? And how come most yoruba revered oduduwa than rulers who ruled before him?


This were it connect oromiyan came as a representative of his father he came couldnt speak d language couldnt fight his uncle ogiemen
Left with anger leaving his son behind to understand the language and d pple so he could rule ...d boy grew up fought ogiemen and suceeded he got to the throne ...it was a new era of change he took a title cunned from the word ó ba meaning (shinning or white) the benins call white clothing ba(white) so oba means its whitnen or shinning.... The oba became his title and represented him as a king and ogie remained royalty
As he conqured territories the word oba spreaded to yoruba nations and they adopted it for the word royalty and the thier various title along.
So you can simply say as collectively all yoruba obas are in a meeting but the ooni of ife is not among.
And u can say all ogies are having meeting but the oba of benin is not around ...so one is a title the other collective noun..according to the report in the early 90s no yorubas monarch use the word oba nor even had a crown on thier head or beeds on thier neck except the oba of benin

Now you see benin own both the izoduwa and the word oba if you still doubt these then other tribe who reads this will definately see the truth in it

Atiku is absolute going to be worse youth never buy to is tricks they all dsame fulani i prefer revoting buhari again than dine with an unkown angel...how did you help in telecommunication
Sector ....did he ever subsidies it for buyers like gadaffi did for his people if know shut up....atiku never...

Hati13:
English is the instruction of education from grade 7 onwards. But not all speak it fluently but only few can. Most either knew few words or don’t understand it at all

Why not full adopt it make it official language in education

I heard you pple also have offical language nd writting for all Ethiopians if it true ...then adopt that fully instead of teaching english or probably make English an official language in the country nd make the local offical language next to line

Emilokoiyawon:
You have time. I don't know why some of you spend all these time on a common village and its village headmaster. Let them continue to lie. We don't give one single fvck.

Lol...who know yoruba in history around the world

Yoruba is a village were benin his are using pop
Then i will laugh again....anyway we controlled yoruba state ondo,eko,owo,akure,ekiti,part of ibadan and whole of delta region add these pop together and tell me the rest yorubas are more than it....foolish yorubas with thier lies who bekieve oduduwa is a white man or a sky diver

To show you oduduwa is from Benin we bear names like uwa,izoduwa,uwaila,uwagbogun etc

joshuaidibia:
Today,4th of July. Marks the celebration of America Independence,237 years ago from great Britain. This is a country that many nigerians flee to,in search of greener pasture. This is a country that many nigerians use in comparism with our beloved country,Nigeria. Forgeting how far they came frome. Lets do the math. Nigeria is just 53yrs old,America is 237yrs. Now,237-53 =184. Its not easy been that old,and still great,and its not easy been as young as Nigeria,and stil the strongest black nation in the world. Lets give Nigeria a chance. We'll get there.

Lets join hands to wish our fellow nairalanders over there,a happy and peaceful celebration. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Arrant nonesense are petting Nigerian laziness or
Encouraging its stupid leaders

Lemme ask you how old is india how old is southafrica, do you nigeria is older than some European countries and can you compare it development...

Are you aware dsame british you adore was disgraced in war with japan ....dont pet your country incompetence is better we compare with the best because were soon going to be the pride of the black race

Edo - Akure Question
From: DR NOWAMAGBE A OMOIGUI


Segun,

The heritage of Edo-Akures is both military and commercial. Many parts of modern Ondo and Ekiti states were part of the Benin Empire and thus many Edos traded within the territories, often living in "quarters" (like sabongari). Also, victorious soldiers often stayed behind to rule over small dominions, leaving behind descendants born of local yoruba mothers. Those who remarried Edos retained their links. Those who did not, tended to get assimilated into the Yoruba tribe - preferring to benefit from the status of a majority tribe as the influence and power of Benin declined. Prior to recent developments, this interaction resulted in the development of a unique language (a cross between Akure-Yoruba and Bini) which is almost lost.

To appreciate the role of Edo-AKure (or Bini-AKure) one must first understand that there were two main axes of trade within old Benin. One was called "waterside trade" focused along creeks and the Benin River involving Itsekiris (as middle men) and white men. The other was called "upcountry trade" which occured along three axes: (a) Ekiti-Ilorin (b)Ishan (c) Afemai. Each group was organized into trading associations with the Oba as patron. The traders of the forest (called "Ekhen-Egbo" were the group that operated in Ekiti country all the way to Ilorin. Their main bases were at Usen and Akure. Each trading association was highly organized and even had its own Odionwere. Ilorin beads were particularly valuable in exchange for brass carvings, salt, guns, matches, tobacco, necklaces, palm kernels, woven cloth, leather, ivory etc.

In Benin there was also a small group of so called Akure-Bini
chiefs. The role of this community of Bini-AKures has been significant. For example, when Ovonramwen signed the treaty in 1892 with Vice Consul Gallwey, the sole interpreter was a man called Ajayi who spoke 'Akure' dialect of yoruba and translated to Edo.

Before that AKure played an interesting role in providing
one of the first challenges to Ovonranmwen in 1889 when the Deji tried to make ceremonial swords without approval. A warrior was dispatched to settle the issues - which was done. [Oba Adolor earlier intervened in a dispute between Ekitis and Oyos - based on historic alliances between Benin and Ekiti]

The role and regimental seniority of AKure-Bini chiefs came under scrutiny during the trial of Benin chiefs in 1897. One of them called Osague had been identified as the individual through whom Ovonramwen allegedly sent a message to Ologbose and others in Ugbine not to kill Phillips and his party. But in retort another Benin chief claimed that no-one could take orders from an "Akure-Bini" chief. The British rejected the plea.

But more importantly, in April/May 1897, when Ebohon and Ologbose were organizing resistance to the British a large number of Akure refugees enlisted to support Ebohon. In the period after the deportation, the Usen-AKure axis was the focus of intense competition between Lagos traders and Benin based British officers who had long term plans for the development of Rubber plantations.

Later on when the monarchy was restored in 1914 the Benin community in Akure made strenuous efforts to reestablish ties with the Oba. They were stopped by the British. A tribute they had sent to Benin was actually returned!

However, the role of "Akure" in Benin politics was to show itself again and again. In 1918, for example, when Iyase Agho Obaseki had a fall out with Eweka II, it was widely rumored that arrangements had been made to import poison / juju from Akure to eliminate the Oba. Again, in 1937/38 during the serious water-rate crisis in Benin, Chiefs Oshodi and Ezomo were accused of conspiring with one Fagbemi (a native doctor in Idanre, near Akure) to make poison for the purpose of liquidating Akenzua II. As a matter of fact, correspondences were discovered (by telegram) necessitating a full inquiry authorized by Bourdillon. Oba Akenzua ..
initially hired the services of a Yoruba lawyer called
Alakija - before the matter was settled out of court.

One of the most famous Iyases in Benin history was called
Okoro-Otun. His original name was Omokhua. He was born in Benin in
1819 but moved to Ekiti land very early, where he became highly
successful as a trader. He, however, visited Benin in 1904 and
predicted that Aiguobasimwin would some day become Oba. His prophecy
came to pass. During the period before he finally returned to Benin in
1915 as the Esama, he fought in the Ibadan-Oyo conflicts and Ijaye
wars. In 1921 he was appointed district head of Ehor. When Akenzua II
became Oba he made 'Okoro-Otun' Iyase in 1928.
Unfortunately, Okoro-Otun clashed with Akenzua II over a number of issues one of which had to do with wearing beaded head dresses of Yoruba origin. This summary is meant to illustrate how and why
Akure-Binis (with a heritage dating back to the trading association days) were generally successful, politically well connected and wealthy. Many families re-emigrated back to Benin bringing not only their skills and business contacts but also (in some cases) their new religion - Islam, acquired through contacts with Nupe jihadists. This 'community' became known as 'Edo N'akhue' - to connote the link to a great migratory commercial (and diplomatic) heritage.

Hence the names like Yusuf, Bello, Giwa and Dawodu - along with other Yoruba names (and arabic influences from Ilorin). Dawodu, for example, is a corrupted form of Daoud - the Arabic translation of David. Of course it is entirely possible that in old deep Bini (or "acure" dialect) it had an acquired meaning - such as "first son". Note that "pure" Edo names typically begin with the letters A, E, I, O, U. But of course there are many modified Edo names that begin with other alphabets.

Although the description "Edo N'akhue" may be perjorative (when used to describe someone whose behavior is stereotyped as slippery and unreliable), the Edo-Akures are the equivalents in Benin of the descendants of prominent American families, for example, who spent most of their lives abroad as diplomats and multinational businessmen. They are a vital and bonafide part of the complexity that is Benin.


In modern Nigeria, certain administrative delineations reflect these old historical links with the Ondos/Ekitis. The Benin-Owina River Basin Authority, for example, covered old Bendel and old Ondo states. Until it was disbanded, the old 4th Infantry Brigade of the Army was similarly deployed. Most recently, one of the zonal offices of OMPADEC based in Benin-City covers Edo, Delta and Ondo states.

Regards,

NAO

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Note the following in the attached write up:

a) Chief Okoro Otun was made the Iyase of Benin by Oba Eweka II after the death of Chief Agho Obaseki who died in the early 20's. He was born at Uvbe village near Abudu. He was one of Oba Eweka's II "foot soldiers " in the struggle for the restoration of the monarchy. He is fondly remembered as OBA MU IYASE KOMI-the Oba has given me the title of the Iyase ( a mixture of Edo-Bini and Akure- Yorubaialects. His house is at Sakponba Road, Benin City, opposite St. Mathew's Cathedral, Benin City. His descendants simply go with the surname IYASE or Iyasere.

b) At the restoration of the monarchy in 1914/15, Oba Eweka II encouraged and lured many of the Edos in Akure and other Yoruba land to return home and help him rebuild the remnants of the ancient Empire. Chief Okoro Otun was one of the "returnees".

C) Oba Akenzua ascended the throne in 1933/4

N..L was a big addict to my education has it got close to exams i had to quit it with fb so i could focus i guess is not only me then....


But i still want to ask if Ethiopians where never colonized how come u all speak english

BabaRamota1980:
The Oduduwa from the sky is mythical.

The Oduduwa from founders day is legendary.

The Oduduwa son of Lamurudu is sovereign.

The Oduduwa of AfroAsia is historical.

The Oduduwa of Ile Ife is sacred.

Pick which Oduduwa suits you, Yoruba is still your father....as long Omo N'Oba remains the crown over your land.

When we are tired of your shenanigan we have two more scions of Oduduwa ready to assume sovereingty over you and manifest the covenants of the ancestors.

Shashangele...
Yoruba loko iya won o...
Shashangele!

Am an edo

And olu is a yoruba name .itsekeri was mainly yorubas before benin came and ruled over them
So itsekiri is made up majourity of yorubas and minority of edos ...the oba gave them the tittle according to the yoruba meaning of lord or king ....its still dont remove the fact that its part and parcel of benin empire and its ruler is edo....

But i want to throw the question for yorubas how did the name oba originate in yoruba
And how come u refer your king by ooni and still call him oba is that not tautology in english ...

Ogie means royalty in benin oba means king (shinning one) ogiso (gods of d sky) ,enogie(duke ), odionware(most eldest in a comunity)


So tell me and prove to me oba originated in yoruba not benin

isalegan2:
Oonirisa should appoint a learned Yoruba man to teach all the children of Omo n'Oba Oranmiyan/Oduduwa their progenitor's language sharp sharp!

Oodua a gbe wa o!

These are the cunny attitude dat made all yoruba went to war and it has not yet been stop by you all

Are u aware the ooni went to america to see the ife art ur king gave away so sheeply because of money...when he was at the museum there was the izoduwa head he was describing to the white museum attendant then suddenly she paused the
Ooni to come see the benin art that the benin art in the museum is most viewed and cherished alot by viewers they arranged neatly compare the izododuwa head the ooni got confused because he was explain the only art of ife in the museum and the lady paused him to show him the benin art he knows nothing of the ooni camera man were forced to take views of the benin art ....i felt a pity for ur ooni it was a shame to a king even the art wss a shame if you need the link of the video i will send it

ArmedRobber:
yeah .
Infact Yoruba was the lingua franca of palace of Benin kingdom until it was stopped

Yoruba will never stop making friction from histroy ....

Bins spoke yoruba at the palace before it was changed hmm Yoruba(cunny)...i wonder why oduduwa never spoke arabic or write in arabic or did he change it to yoruba....desperate claiming history benin history is far ahead the oyo village we ruled over yoruba state like ondo ,owo,akure ,ekiti,eko,ibadan it was remaining small if not for the British we would hve invaded osun ....

The ooni was just a chief priest who was not even civilised no clothes no beeds no crown just recently ur ooni became modernized and was wearing crown and dressing the benin chiefs and kings still dress the way they were thats solid culture our kings wore crown right from time...

sarrki:
Bros a real man will sacrifice for the family

Only useless parents will sell their children

Especially to the mothers that can give their lives for their children to live

The truth is we are wicked individually

That’s why as a nation we are in this mess

Wow aint u d buhari ass licking guy...

Did u just say the country is a mess in buhari regime i cnt still grab u admitted this fact...its like
Yoruba admitting oduduwa is benin

Impossible the remaining thing left is for you to admit ur ass licker guy is the cause then i swear i give my life to christ forever...