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[quote author=Moneywomen17 post=68060309]hmm new one hmmm. Edo emerging from Benin?[/quotep] hmmm......

So i must state a mistake to you before you know one

laudate:
Your long epistle just confirms what I have been saying, that several core Edo people bear Yoruba names. I do not know why or how those Edo people came about their Yoruba names, but I know they bear such names even though they don't speak a word of Yoruba language. You need to enlighten your sister EdoNation, so that she can acquire some understanding on this subject.

You should stop misinterpreting it wrongly edo was an empire so many things was borrowed and so many things was lend out ...benin traders and chiefs who have been trading in akure for longtime got married to yoruba women thier families started speaking yoruba and started acquiring yoruba names after the conquest of edo by the british oba akenzua told all akure benin traders and chiefs to return to benin to help in build back the fallen city...thats why you see a benin person bearing ajayi eleghosa,idowu Johnson once see it like that you know them already....but ur yoruba brothers would use it to say it was as a result of Benin's emerged fron Yoruba's

samuk:
So who enslaved the Yoruba and Igbo? Please don't tell me it was Benin.

U wanna hear the truth but hate the truth...how can you move further....

davidnazee:
Is there anything like Yoruba empire? The only empire from western Nigeria is the Oyo empire which died a painful death..

Why accloade oyo as an empire its not even fit for a kindom it had no flag no symbol of authority
No planned street no form of document no walls no moat no internal defence ..nothing to befit a kingdom not to say an empire...benin fought in thier war and proclaim victory over it and culptured their city in return the ekiti ibadan war .
Is a place called an empire if the people who made the empire where its family members even upto benin republic ...pls always tell them they had no empire thier history started at 12century
Till it ended it never had a kingdom nor empire if it did the Europeans would have a way notice just the way the notice benins ...
If you check nigeria map you would see yorubas were more closer to the coast than edo or benins ...oyo ,ogun,lagos,Delta etc where all closer to the coast land he could be the europeans saw this people as very primitive and nothing to associate with them it could also be that they visted yorubas towns closed to the coast but found benin influenced on them ....

And yorubas come here to say because edo lies close to the coast thats why the europeans visites them. they forget they are closer to the coast lands than Edo's.. But edo made use of the coast lands before the knew anything about coast land....edo is birth of civilisation in west africa....

Obalufon:
another orchestrated lie ogedengbe never fled edo territory ..he totally captured the northern edo . he left there with a good bargain ..he could march on bini city without much resistance .. where were you standing royal guards when he encroached your land camped there for months. you had to wait for him to go ..he had no business with you little benin kingdom he was busy fighting with Ibadan

You again with ur lies....
I have been to auchi and there is a street called ogedengbe at first i thought it was an edo name untill something led to the discussion of the history. ...
According to them he was a man who tutored around edo north during the 18century untill words were sent to the obas and he retreated hearing the oba warning....lets analze it factually
No matter how strong ogedengbe jazz is wepons would always kill him that for sure benin had military camps in all its territories it was on record that the oba had the power to summon 34,000 soilders in a day to war which ogedengbe cant witstand 2days .... The power oba ovuramwen poured on the british it's alone to sack almost all yoruba kings from their stool not to say ogendegbe ....

I leave you to argue this fact with another rezonable person outside your ethnic group

laudate:
Wrong! I have met several Edo people that bear Yoruba names, and their mothers were never remotely related to Yoruba.

Have u read the benin akure chiefs....just goggle you ser why you see benins having Yoruba names not only yoruba names Igbo names as wells as urohobo making sound its only yoruba binis bear thier names make you look ignorant ...

Benin bear names like ojo idowu etc this are Benin's who ruled yoruba state and later came back to benin after benin fell to british to help oba akenzuwa restore bck benin

Names like oghene ese, efe,most urhobo bear the name also benin do also

Names like okoro,okojie which both deltans and igbos bear are also names in edo....

The problem with nigerians is we tend to leave the pre indepence history and focus on the post indepence history.... History were also made after 1897 after the fall of benin the oba was given two choice to remain in seat either he marries a white lady or he gives up his vassal territories and stay in Nigeria which he made a choice to give up his territories than to have a white lady in benin stool ...benin chiefs all over its territories all came back to benin to help benin build it state back after the destruction they brought new names like the yoruba names you see edo bear some also stayed behind...i leave you to judge

To make this lady mad... Like a real mad woman just bring another lady into the house and watch the tigress in her

Y0ruba:
Art historians & archeologists all agreed that Owo arts are of Ife origins & preceded that of Bini. The proximity they share resulted in the influences they both had on each other.

I don’t know if Owo birthed Bini.

Lol...my chest...am probably going to get another banned for this but anyway i would still say it

Benin is way different from yoruba art its likely to be compared to the Egyptian art

Ife art was just bust from face to shoulder benin did full sculptured art on plagues showing the whole body which ife nevered did ...the benin art nevered had holes in it sculpture like ife did....benin made art of animals leopard snake birds just like egypt ...these art was for two purposes mainly for document and ornament...
But ife art was just for ....nothing

Heyyy...

16 billion dollars i.e 10billion +6billion doll's

Jesu....chaiii ......nigeria!!!

holuphisayor:
same way fela sang tirelessly without prefering solution.

You and i know the solution many peopld have said the solution tireslessly just watch the news everyday as soon as they say the problem the solutions follows but the question is who wants to take a step to the solution ...the solution will endup so many loss of lives including the man who took the step....we are afraid to fight the corrupt but we want freedom how ? We are also looking for a paper freedom like it gave us from britan thats the original priblem ...for something greaat to come scrafices must be made if christ made the greatest sacrifice through blood ..nigeria wont be better without it

jessca048:
hell no!

Hypocrite

jessca048:
if you say it is unnatural then what do you say about animals that practice homosexual practices too

Funny you those animals have bern cultured to do so through training while they were little... No sane animal will do that... I just feel a pity for you who look a man in his face and stick ur dick in his ass ...i just wanna see the devil who made u do so

DrayZee:
Wow. You purposefully blinded yourself to the fact that they're always talking about missionaries and their free secondary schools. I'm simply asking, since those missionaries are the reason you think universities should be free, why couldn't they make their own universities free ehn or cheap?
I don't believe prayer solves problems. So there. Stop generalizing.

Why do churches build uni at first place if not to secure thier wealth or enhance it...did christ come for the rich alone because it seems the gospel is only for people who can afford the tuition... Why the poor seat at home hearing it...why own private jet when 90% of the citizen are hungry ...cant all churches co.e together and use thier wealth ti raise the economy i bet if the di so many traditionalist will sed ressons to convert

HigherEd:
I may need to school you again on what a profit making university is. Harvard with $25 billion endowment and 15 million naira/annum tuition is not a profit making university. Neither is Stanford nor Yale. That a university is collecting 10 million naira a year doesn't make it profit making. When we say a university is non profit. It simply means that the founders have elected to reinvest all revenue into the system.
The only faith based university in Nigeria that i am aware of being a profit making university is Alhikmah university which is Islamic.


Which yeye loophole. That is why you have a government you voted for. Even the Isrealites who had a thin line between Religion/State didn't expect nonsense from the synagogue. The church can't veer into full blown political governance and leave matters of spirituality relegate to the background. The essense of the church is to feed the spirit and soul not the belly. The church can give you food but does not have to give you a job.


Lol don't talk about an issue you know nothing of. NUC license more universities because there is shortage of universities. Nearly a million Nigerian youths are denied spaces every year in unis due to unavailable spaces.




What are you saying lol. The Adventist church has over 100 universities splashed across USA and Europe. There is no organisation in the world that owns half as much universities as the catholics. According to Professor Okebukola the catholic church has about 3,000 universities splattered across the globe. The Church of Christ owns/affilited to hundreds of universities in North America. The baptist church owns about 70 universities in the US. Combine all the government universities in the US they don't have 1/10th of universities belonging to churches. And amazingly govt partly funds the church universities there too and they are still not free.

I guess someone brought the idea of building university by churches to spread the gospel... And some priest also invented the cure for malaria in africa...but you're comment saying the church is to feed ur body and soul not food nor job... U forgot in the the book of james state
James 2:15-16 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

What is food and what is job ...job is a means to getting a food. can the Church feed everybody everyday ..there is a proverbs that say is better you tech a man to fish than giving him fish.
Am sorry if your ideology dont support building of industries creating job opportunity then it cant justify building of universities then .according to u universities' are built to impact gospel into lives then i ask you if industries or jobs are created to make profit or non what would it promote in the lives of the workers is it paganism? ...is it bad preaching the gospel at work places or praying at work places while doing your work ? If not why be an hyprocratic man

DrayZee:
Are you saying Africa is the only place where you see churches running universities?
Try making a search for once, and while at it, check the school fees they charge.
MODIFIED:
That said, I don't really have a problem with his swipe at church funded universities. He, like many other Nigerians simply doesn't know what it costs to run a university.

Something i dont get from peeps like you is comparing nigeria with other country even in terms of wrong doings ...so because almost part of the world churches own universities with high titution so ure now saying is normally to follow it...never forget two wrongs never make a right...nigeria is worse in every sector and within ourselves we promote corruption setback. like ure doing now...if the world are following that part so nigeria shld go along with it same way...hypocrite that ure ..i bet if they make you a pastor u would be the type that would pray for ebola patient afar instead finding cure...

prolog2:
Idiot empires are kingdoms, it is only a beautiful name for a kingdom which is believed to either be very powerful either to be a federation of vassal kingdoms under one king.
There is no record of oyo ever swallowing anything.
oyo never had a flag nor a coat of arms.
You are clearly delusional.
I don't need to list anything, Benin history is tought in britain.
Benin history is available with the original records.
I don't have to debate anything.
You are the one trying to create some fake yoruba history.
Your ancestors were beggars, not warriors, unless you are an Edo who has forgotten his roots and is now calling himself yoruba.
You want me to check online yoruba propaganda ? or read text books written by yoruba propagandists ?
Nope, I prefer to read historical documents, like that there would be no lies to filter.

Just leave dem with thier lies ...thier empire influence was to dahomey,togo,ghana...they are just saying influence up and down not even one conquering... If thier influnced was on those countries i doubt...then what would what would we say on our influence in the whole of europe and west africa....the only war the oyo fought outside thier brothers was dahomey war which is close to them and it was a struggle btwn the two village kingdom ..at last dahomey took victory and enslave thier brothers in ketu in dahomey..

I stil wonder.how oyo influenced spread across ghana and togo they nevered had house nor boat probably it was ghana who spread thier influence on oyo....i would always say oyo influence was nothing to recong on when the europeans came the saw it as uncivilized people who needed not to be traded with but taking as slaves no wonder the british wasted no time taking the whole yorubas down....

Obalufon:
joker ..

Is dat all you can say

Obalufon:
Nigeria will breakup i will know where you will stand..ijaw alone will annihilate you na..edo might for where show me the map of your kingdom..

Is my prayer nigeria dont break up if it did break up am sorry edo taking yoruba down is so easy not because of military strength of the edos but because of the weakness of of unity in yorubas ....when it happens the yorubas muslims will do well to follow the northerners it will remain the christans yorubas inside the Christan yoruba there is also disunity just for the edos to find it then whala ....yorubas will all come under the edo territory......

This simply divide and conquer this is thesame logic the britsh used for the world and it can be used for yorubas again...but it nevered worked for Ethiopians and edos after thr conquring of edo the now had to do it manually....

prolog2:
There is only one title of King in Benin Kingdom of which Auchi is a part. I don't know the exact title the Attaru of Auchi had before the british invasion, but I know he wasn't a muslim and he was a loyal subject to his King. Auchi being purely Edo, I don't see why the title of its duke would be anything other than Enogie. No part of Benin Kingdom was successfully invaded by the Fulani who were already struggling against the weakling yoruba armies. European observer even said that thé Fulani expansion could'nt go any further.

Is orhobo not part of edo ...wat of irrua,and parts of eshan but they bear different name from enogie .enogie was within d bini territory.... As for the auchi how did they get islamized if jihadist nevered came and why was edo central not islamized too why did kogi is an islam region ...lets talk with fact not fairytales

I will repeat aliko dangote is not worthy to be the richest man in africa is Bleep**g a monopolist ...
He lacks buisness ideas ,he lacks planning he his
Just an over hyped buisness man.... He never grew his wealth from scratch like other rich men did like bil gate..he came through a wealthy family got influence by politics and his business was monoplolized in the whole nigeria..he lacks future insight why build a refinery in already establish state like lagos why not build it in a growing state in the south south ,why go for aresenal when you can grow a national team here in Nigeria
Why not pumb money into charity like health sector ,ebola in africa,education etc like other rich men do particular your friend bilgate...why not find a way as a buisness man limit the loss of goods and lives through accident....a real business man would feel a loss of a trailer with goods ...not to say several trailers with loss of goods and lives which are abandoned....
Many of his trailers are at the road side of every majour road ...dont he feel the loss probably his not well known buisness man as we think....


If you still beliefs this man his a buisness man as you think then you can never grow in business he grew with opportunity as s monopolosit and influence of family wealth....

davidnazee:
I never knew the Otaru of Auchi used to be known as Enogie.. thanks for the info.

Lol....he was neverd know as enogie people given enogie was chiefs around the benin city at old but people far from benin city was given a different title like obi of onitscha,iselukwu of ubulukwu,eleko of eko ,uteru of auchi,....

And so many titles of kings in edo regions ...

And the origin of Islam in auchi was as a result usman dan fo dio spread of islam towards auchi and waz advancing to edo central amd benin armies attacked them away ...through socialism from kogi and other areas around auchi which already lslamise auchi accept it through socialism

geosegun:
You should be totally ignored for this balderdash. How there you say edo conquered Yoruba, when? how? where? Can the conquered named the city that conquered them?that shows the Yoruba helped the Benin to achieve a meaning civilizations. Yoruba never conquered Benin, Yoruba Fathered Benin and you can't change history, no matter how hard you try, young man. lol

My heart....what did you just say that the biggest joke of the century....

Keep believing on ur sky diving myth...

Benin father yoruba and conquered it also and name it ile ni ife( i ran and saw sucess) it was miss interoreted by the yorubas as land of love which doesn't rythm ....historians will tell you with no bias benin founded ife....

It was even claimed by Yoruba's that onnis head were been buried at obas palace this shows seniority over yorubas....we are still waiting for the oba head at ife.....

Cunniest tribe yoruba my foot

geosegun:
Was Kogi existing in those days? You see how shallow your example is? Go and ask any Ewe/Haa/fon people in Ghana, Shonga, Borgu/Nupe, Hausa/Fulani Caliphate, Ashanti, etc. They will tell you about Yoruba influences and exploits. Which ethnic group should we ask about Benin escapades and influence? You must answer these questions else you have no say, not sorry to burst your bubble.

So Europeans must tell your stories before you can believe you really exist?

I do not need to start over. The Oyo empire exploits was fully documented. You had better dealt with the truth rather than allow inferiority complex cum nepotism be cloud your sense of judgement. I'm out.

Hmm...ashanti recongnised your influenced on what actually is it on trade,power or what i dont get it by saying ashanti recongnises ur influence or you saying benin republic was undet ur. Control when we all read in history the only ear fought by the benin republic was the one with oyo empire which they won ....

Again how was the oyo empire documented was it by mouth ,artefact or written?...i bet u will tell me is by oral

Europeans dont need to tell me our history we ate probably using fact on this argument so any documented reference will be recognized

Kogi wasnt existing then but i mentioned idah in kogi and the war was between oba and attah .and attah wzs in controll if the present day kogi so you can deduced with no explaination that we defeated kogi....u must be something else to allow me explain this small logic to you

Lastly u should state what oyo achieved youre just simplying stating influence up and down ...dont fight it nor argue oyo had no influenced the influenced it had wS not noticeable if it was when bristsh came to gold coast or Dahomey they would have someway link oyo superiority over them

biacan:
For the fact that your sisters are walking corpse doesn't gives you the right to talk back at career ladies this way on a public forum...... go hide your head in shame boy a lady just played a fast one on you guys kikikikikiki

Youre pained he never specifically pointed you...even if you're a career woman which i doubt does that stop you for loving extra money or following yahoo boy...don't be an hypocrite

MetaPhysical:
He was member of Action Group which was the Egbe Omo Oduduwa Reformed.

Yoruba race is a mockery....you guys slways peddle with lies and hate the truth ....its not this generation fault anyway it was those of awolowo and his co members you all are just trying to cover up thier lies with another lies bring another bigger lies

geosegun:
Benin only came to limelight because of the civil wars within the Oyo Empire. I repeat, there was nothing like Benin empire but Benin Kingdom and the Oyo empire is the big Bro here. It is just like comparing riches and size on Nigeria to that of Ghana. How many wars did the Benin fight with its Neighbours? I repeat Benin only came to limelight becos the Oyo empire was troubled during that period. Benin was not challenged in Lagos because Yoruba believed the Omo'n'Oba was a Yoruba son and the father can never fight the son over supremacy, NEVER! Yoruba believe in that culture and tradition and hence the reason for the little Benin influence over Lagos. The Benin republic will tell you they have more connections with Yoruba /Oyo than your landlocked Benin. We know the truth and stop peddling lies Bro. The Itsekiris/Ijaws, Hausa, Fulani, Nupe, Songa, down to Ewe/Gaa in Ghana knows the influence of the Oyo/Yoruba. Now name just 1 ethnic tribe that can attest to Benin influence even in South East your close neighbours.

Young man stop deceiving yourselves. My one cent...

Ignorant just smelling over you....

Fact....

Oyo influence was not know in africa not to say west africa if truely it did europeans would have noticed it while they came but it didnt even if it had influence on dahomey or ghana which is not true but it was never a significant one it was not seen in them ...but benin had influence on its neigbour economically and culturally .it pronuced in the whole west africa .note benin was not only d town visited by the europeans but they still refered to benin as a domain around them ..portuguese took the news to europe of benin which resulted of all europeans coming to benin to trade....
Now lets describe the physical element of an empire....

The benins had walls that of great china which was destroyed by the british ...it had a number of different kingdom under its rule
2.they were never defeated in war the fought stronger countries like (kogi) and named d location were d war was fought idah .they fought usman dan fio do out of auchi to kogi
3. The Benin had flags ,coat of arm ,symbol of justice,walls,boat ,guns, horses
4.the benin kings owned dwarfs just like the european kings had leopards just like the asians and european kings do
5. It had street light in it road... The spatial arrangement of benin when european named it a city is was still exist till now .this is was the britsh took to design thier queen square at england if you like goggle it yourself to see
7.the spatial structure in benin is the best in nigeria this i know because i study geo& regional planning this structure was done hundreds of yrs ago by oba ewuare the great....
8. It influenced was know by the french the named dahomey in repect to benin territories bight of benin not bight of yoruba

Fact...oyo was not an empire it was not a kingdom its just an imagination it influenced on benin republic was its people who migrated to dahomey for refuse.it influence on ghana was its closeness to ghanians it was mainly on social ecomic intrest nothing more ..oyo history is full or history nothing significant to gain just civil war and suicide...but benin made influence around the world both in africa europe and america if you wanna keep lieing to yourself do so as u wish......anytime i comment on this post i get block because i say the truth

buddenlove:
No no Meghan is black. She was seen like dat in her family and even in uk as a black woman. Dont forget all the abuse and even the open letter Harry wrote at the beginning.
And being black does not mean u have a black skin. Black people color goes from dark skin to very fair skin. It depends if ur melanin is secreted abundantly or not. U can be a black man (color) but ur education and environment will turn u as a white man (Mindset)
The same thing with nigerian born and growing up in UK or usa, r dey nigerian?

Nigga dont try and lie to yourself....megan is white If u weren't aware she had a black mum you will consider her full white.perhaps megan mum is completely black nd megan is mixed meaning is only 15 percent that makes her black ...there is no way that 15 percent can enhance any race her linage get married to either white or black...
Her children for harry will be 98℅ white if not 99

Blacks are the most funny race in the world they try to fit in anything that brings hope to the race but can never create glory for themselves ...white people takes advantages of black race all the time ...megan is white she aint even mixed colour or completely black to celebrate about ...what a mockery the white makes of the smallest race all the time ....and you here in nigeria is supporting mental slavery

So these babies become state property ....

I just pity for that state this means more looting

Just watch after some years this children grow and one day rule nigeria

Born2Breed:
If your property was stolen from your bungalow and sold to someone in a mansion,would you prefer it to remain in that big mansion?

Answer before I tag you Oghien Edo!

U cant call me the enemy of benin

Neither am not happy the way they stole it or the way they kept it there. leaving anger aside lets not just think of bringing it back alone but lets think for it safety ...we could loan it...lets not be dogmatic .in thinking yea we are fighting for our right so as other tribes are helping the way we go about it....benin art his all over Europe are you aware that the benin art exhibition was shown in france at 2006 .think of any eurpean country benin art has not gone none my friend...bringing it back is not a big deal but how to get it and keep it and probably make money from it...thats what we should worry for ..now almost all europeans has benin art in their museum if the fight is taking to war court we could tell them to pay for the years it has been with them and after we loan it to them we tell them to keep it and pay in return montly
...by so doing every edo person benefit from it that way ...imagine all edo persons recieving that money from tourist every months in his account it will help boost the ecomomy and promote tourism some part of the money will also go to tourism...then when we have a good country we require all back ....deltans collect busary every month in schools but we dont this could be our busary...cant you see

charliboy654:
Lol, that was how one 4 hundred level student from unillorin came to do I.T in Warri and started calling us ibo, I corrected him like a thousand times that we are not even close to ibo but he refused.

A yoruba gal said that to me in uniben ....i was shocked that the yorubas know nothing of other region ..this is d way the three majour tribe see the rest nigeria

Ibos: see we as yorubas
Yorubas: see us igbos
Hausa: see us as both igbos and yoruba

So funny how it sound and we will call the whiteman fool when he says africa is a country
Is that noy hypocrisy