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TAO11:
We should leave the fact that Ryder was debunked by historical scholarship? Okay.

Just as we would see if your great-grand father truly exist, and that your family name is truly correct? Okay! cool.

Post any written account of your greatgrandfather from from Benin or Yoruba documented about his name before 1900.

In essence, I’m saying he who makes a claim has the burden of proof — onus probandi.

If you’re truthful, then prove your claim by citing any any peer review work which backs you.

Cc: nisai, olu317, theTranslator samuk, gomojam
Truthbeatslies

TAO11:
[/s] Tell you? LMAO!

I gave you the references to their works for a reason. Do you have phobia for reading?

No it wasn’t.

If you’re saying the truth, then prove your claim by citing any any peer review work which backs you.

Yes, it is you making a claim (a laughable claim for that matter) who have a burden to provide proof.

Not the other way round.

Cc: nisai, olu317, theTranslator samuk, gomojam
Truthbeatslies

TAO11:
No I am not. Even though he also lies a lot, he did not. Show proof like I’ve been doing.

Olu resorting to insult because I disproved him proves that I sunk him intellectually.

What Olu or anyone (Igbo or Hausa) never dared to do is to imagine that gregyboy debunks me. Never!

Instead, Igbos (and Yorubas of course) are of the view that YOU are my rag.

You see the difference?

See attachment for an Igbo’s testimony.

TAO11:
Your screenshot is an opinion of a certain Ryder from the year 1965.

Guess what has happened between 1965 and 2021 in the field of historical scholarship of African history.

The field of historical scholarship of African history has unanimously debunked that opinion from Ryder.

See for example:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A summary of this unanimous conclusion of scholars is aptly put in a 2016 publication as attached below:

Cheers!
Cc: r4bbit

TAO11:
I am not a transgender.

Believe it or not, a woman is capable of debunking you.

I know you can’t don’t want to believe it’s a woman who have been debunking you all along.

Your brother was spamming with fake videos which I’ve debunked.

That’s perhaps the reason why the mods stepped in. Deep down, you’re glad it was pulled down. I literally raped you liars there as I always do.

See attachment for your confession in one of the rape session I was having on you.

Cc: r4bbit

TAO11:
LMAO! I am not a transgender.

You just can’t imagine that a woman pulled down Benin kingdom.

Olu (or anyone) can call me what they like if I debunk them.

What they can never say, however, is that @gregyboy debunks me. No sane non-Edo person can ever say that.

Guess what, many Igbos (and Yoruba) belief firmly that YOU are TAO’rag — not just that you’re a liar.

You see the difference?

TAO11:
If you won’t stop lying about Yorubas, then I won’t stop humiliating and exposing you.

That shouldn’t be a problem. You face your lies, while I face my pastime of humiliating you — it should be a win-win.

Oh I see, you need a free pass. No you ain’t getting that. Sorry!

Cc: r4bbit

TAO11:
I’m not interested in you.

I’m only interested in humiliating you wherever you lie.

@gregyboy is my rag. I have done a wonderful job of proving him to be a retard — even the Igbos testify to that. Do you need proof?

TAO11:
I’m not interested in you.

I’m only interested in humiliating you wherever you lie.

@gregyboy is my rag. I have done a wonderful job of proving him to be a retard — even the Igbos testify to that. Do you need proof?

TAO11:
Debunked once, debunked forever.

I have debunked this false video many, many times. See one of my comments below:

(1) Regarding your bitter lies about the trans-Atlantic slave trade, the following piece-by-piece devastating refutation:

(A) Contrary to your ignorance, captives weren’t taken from “all across Africa” as you imagined.

Rather, captives were taken from Central Africa and West Africa — including people from Benin kingdom whom the Nupe, the Ibadan, Ogedengbe, etc. raided.

(B) Contrary to your ignorance, the Yoruba people have long been known by the name Yoruba (and they’ve been living in their present homeland) for centuries prior to the period when ex-captives began to be returned to Africa.

We know this because the process of returning ex-captives back ‘home’ to West Africa didn’t begin until circa the late-1700s.

Whereas, there are manuscripts written in the early-1600s which list Yorubas (by their name Yoruba) among some of the ethnic groups of our region of West Africa.

This manuscript which was written by Ahmed Baba in 1615 is attached below.

The name Yoruba is shown in red highlight (among the other ethnic groups) as can be seen in the original manuscript as well as in the translation embedded below respectively:

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This translation was prepared by John Hunwick and Fatima Harrak for The Institute of African Studies Rabat, Morocco

Oh, I should add that we know that this manuscript was written by Ahmad Baba in the year 1615 because he himself penned his date as highlighted (in the attached verso) below:

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The highlight here literally shows the wording “(the year) one thousand and twenty four (of the Hijrah)”.

When converted from this Hijri “AH” calendar into our Gregorian “AD” calendar; the year 1024 AH falls into the year 1615 AD

The formula “D = 0.9692*H + 622” proves practically useful for this conversion.

In sum, your falsehood that returned-slaves (from all across Africa) are what became known as Yorubas is nothing but a but-hurt lie from a depressed bald-head.


(C) These ex-captives who were of West-African origin and Central African origin were repatriated directly to Sierra-Leone and Liberia.

Some began a new life there, while some decided to go back to their homeland from which they were taken ab-initio.

Nobody was repatriated to south-West Nigeria, bald-head.

A number of Yorubas among the returnees chose to return back to Yorubaland — just as many others who returned to their respective original homeland.

(2) The only ethnic-group whom I know of who couldn’t fight their way to freedom and be returned back to Africa are ……. [take a guess].


They couldn’t think of returning until about 400 years later when some of their descendants decided to tap into the science of Genetics as a guide to finding their way back home. ~ See video. below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDve0rwQbM

The two attachments below also shows some earlier corroborative confessions made available to Dr. R. E. Bradbury by these people themselves.

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(1) “Occupying a key site on the route from the Bend to Ife, Oyo was probably one of the earliest-founded provincial capitals in the Ife empire.”

~ Robin Horton, “Ancient Ife,” (1979), p.115.

(2) A ”bight” is a feature of a water body (Atlantic ocean in this case).

Ife, in contrast, is deep in the Yoruba interior. It is in no way near the Atlantic coast.

How could the 1400s Portuguese then have named a part of the Atlantic Ocean (the bight) after it?

You see your life? See how you embarrassed yourself, family and friends.

(3) Yoruba is not one kingdom. It is a land of free-borns, where each of its many kingdoms has got some sovereignty.

As such, the bight could not have been named after a land as a whole. It was named after one of the two major polities near the coast — particularly the one which the Portuguese first had trade relations with.

Of the two major kingdoms near the coast in the late 1400s when the Portuguese first arrived, only Benin kingdom was willing to sell its people. The bight was thus named after that kingdom whom they knew.

*It wasn’t until in the 1520s before Benin embargoed the sale of its men (allowing only women) due to fear of depopulation of able-bodied men.

(4) First of all, Britain didn’t have any fight with Benin. It was a punishment, not a fight. It is called a “punitive expedition” for a reason. A punishment in relation to which Ovoramwen recanted and trembled in court.

Imaging “canning” a child as a punitive measure for mis-behaviors, and then the child suddenly turning around to say s(he) had a fight with you. No be juju be that?

There was no reason to punish Ife, hence no such expedition happened there. Instead, they helped to end the ongoing wars within Yorubaland.

(5) The country called Benin Republic did not take its name from Benin kingdom. Neither does it relate to Benin kingdom.

The country’s former name was “Dahomey” — a name which doesn’t reflect the diverse ethnicities in the country.

The name “Benin” (after the bight which the country sits on) was then settled for due to its neutrality.

“In the late 19th century French colonizers making inroads from the coastal region into the interior borrowed the name of the defeated Dahomey kingdom for the entire territory that is now Benin; the current name derives from the Bight of Benin”

~ https://www.britannica.com/place/Benin

In contrast, an entire group of people in today’s Togo, have insisted to be known by the name IFE. Yes, it is the “Ife” of present Nigeria they want to be associated with.

Yoruba language is being spoken in Benin Republic. Tell me where (outside of Edo state) Bini language is beinig spoken.

Peace!

Truthbeatslies:
I learnt English in nigeria, and I can still speak it after all these years.

Truthbeatslies:
I have been to Benin, I lived in my grandmother's house then I moved to France later on. My uncle is an Enogie, an other of my uncles is the governor.
It is only the americans who believe that your ethnicity is determined by your place of birth, mine is determined by my ancestry.

I believe I was born in Kano when my dad was in the army and stationed there.

Truthbeatslies:
It is only Nigerian half educated who think the mastering of spellings of english words is the ultimate test of education. I grant you that you are a much better speller of english words than I am. But the problem is that except english spelling skills, your brain is empty. If we were to have a debate on english spelling, I would gladly throw a white flag towards you. But that is not what we are doing here.
Also don't flatter yourself, I did all my education in france, I write books in french and I live in france, I barely ever did anything in english since I was 10 years old. I'm french.

Truthbeatslies:
The biased yoruba mods have started banning Edo people once again, with flimsy pretexts:

Truthbeatslies:
What happened to the other thread where you were nailing the transgender, I woke up to see the thread were deleted.

TAO11:
LMAO at the bolded.

If wishes were horses, my Benin slave would ride.

You are a disgrace to your self and your people.

olugabbie:
I wonder why pple keep saying that China should learn from Japan. Japan had no Atomic bomb during WW11 & that was why they couldn't retaliate. China has enough Nuclear warheads to destroy both US & major powers in Europe. China can single handedly destroy an entire continent. Both US & Russia can do the same.

Is like many don't know the level of destruction that Nuclear war can cause. Old submarines like the Russian Typhoon Class or the US Ohio Class can single handedly destroy an entire continent. Imagine a single submarine wiping out an entire continent. I can assure you that there will be no winner.

May be you should read more on Nuclear weapon to understand this better.

Truthbeatslies:
They have already deleted the other thread in which the yoruba fraud was being exposed from all sides.
The yoruba tried to pass a document published recently as a document eritten in 1889

samuk:
The questions are:

1. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder record seeing atleast two Obas of Benin being taken to Ife for burial.

2. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder record seeing atleast two Obas of Benin that reigned in his time going to Ife to go and collect their beaded crowns as these people have been telling us.

3. Why didn't Ajayi Crowder record seeing traditional and cultural exchanges between Ife and Benin during his 48 years of his adult missionary life in Nigeria.

TAO11 is a blessing in disguise to the Benin here on Nairaland. She forced us to stop taking our history on face value without questioning it.

Looking closely at Ajayi Crowder's life, writings and the fact that he lived during the reigns of the last three Obas of Benin before the fall of Benin in 1897, I have never been more convinced that Benin never had any relationship, interactions and connections with Ife.

samuk:
The same reason they downplay aspects of Benin history they can't steal as theirs. Same reason they will continue to hold on to the Oduduwa fairytale because it's a gateway for them to write themselves into Benin history and whitewash their historical pasts.

Any reasonable people would have by now disassociated themselves from Benin historical past because of the amount of work we have done here on nairaland to prove that there was absolutely no connections between Benin and Ife before 1897. They have refused to dissociate themselves from Benin history because to do so will amounts to historical suicide.

Take the Oduduwa myth out of their history and see how it fails apart.

The historical romance between Benin and Ife only lasted in the reigns of Oba Eweka 2 and Oba Akenzua 2 who were just recovering from the brutal defeat by the British and very hostile anti Benin British Nigeria and needed all the support they can get in the new political realities/order in then Nigeria. The romance hits the rock from the reign of Oba Erediawa and Oba Ewuare 2 have maintained his father's position on Oduduwa, I don't see any future change in the current position on Oduduwa.

Back to Ajayi Crowder

Ajayi Crowder as a missionary, saw the reigns of three Benin Obas starting from 1843 when he returned to Nigeria and opened a mission in Abeokuta.

Further more on Ajayi Crowder:

Crowther began translating the Bible into Yoruba and compiling a Yoruba dictionary. In 1843, his grammar book, on which he had begun working during the Niger expedition, was published. A Yoruba version of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer followed later. Crowther also compiled A Vocabulary of the Yoruba Language,[16] including a large number of local proverbs, published in London in 1852.

He also began codifying other languages. Following the British Niger Expeditions of 1854 and 1857, Crowther, assisted by a young Igbo interpreter named Simon Jonas, produced a primer for the Igbo language in 1857. He published one for the Nupe language in 1860, and a full grammar and vocabulary of Nupe in 1864.[17]

Crowther had become a close associate and friend of Captain James Pinson Labulo Davies, an influential politician, mariner, philanthropist and industrialist in colonial Lagos.[18] The two men collaborated on social initiatives in Lagos, such as the founding of The Academy (a social and cultural center for public enlightenment) on 24 October 1866. Crowther was the first patron and Captain J.P.L Davies was the first president.[19]

Back to Benin/Ife fabrications:

As can been seen above, Ajayi Crowder, an educated returnee former slave who travelled and worked across Nigeria during the reigns if three Oba of Benin, Oba Osemwende, Oba Adolo and Oba Ovonramwen (1843 -1891), 48 years never linked Benin history to Ife despite himself doing a lot of work on the advancement of the Yoruba race.

Why did Ajayi Crowder not write about
Benin/Ife relationship during his 48 years of missionary works in Nigeria.

The simple reason is there wasn't such relationship.

If there was Benin/Ife relationship, Ajayi Crowder who worked as a missionary in Nigeria for 48 years (1843 - 1891) during the reigns of (Oba Osemwende 1816-1848), (Oba Adolo 1848 -1888) and (Oba Ovonramwen 1888 -1914) would have mentioned it in his writings.

I mainly concentrated on the missionary life of Ajayi Crowder from when he returned to Nigeria in 1843. Ajayi Crowder was said to have been born in Nigeria in 1809 before he was taken into slavery.

From 1809 to 1891 when Ajayi Crowder was born and died, was a period of 81 years, in this period, Benin saw the reigns of five Obas,

1. Oba Obanosa(About 1804AD-1816AD)
2. Oba Ogbebo(About 1816AD-1816AD)
3. Oba Osemwende (About 1816AD-1848)
4. Oba Adolor (About 1848AD-1888AD)
5. Oba Ovoranmwen (1888AD-1914AD)

If there was Benin/Ife relationship during this period, why didn't Ajayi Crowder write about it in his 48 years of writing in Nigeria.

Apart from Ajayi Crowder who was an educated Nigeria who did a lot of writings, there were also numerous European in Nigeria during these periods who also wrote extensively on Yoruba and Benin history, why did they omit Benin/Ife relationship if indeed there was one.

The invention of Benin/Yoruba relationship as one people started after the fall of Benin in 1897. This is the simple reason you will not see any record of Benin/Ife relationship before 1897.