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nisai:
She really has traumatised u beyond rehabilitation! Sorry.

TAO11:
Crap from Omonoba’s (king’s child) butthole.

Also:
Your screenshot is an opinion of a certain Ryder from the year 1965.

Guess what has happened between 1965 and 2021 in the field of historical scholarship of African history.

The field of historical scholarship of African history has unanimously debunked that opinion from Ryder.

See for example:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A summary of this unanimous conclusion of scholars is aptly put in a 2016 publication as attached below in the 2nd screenshot below:

Cheers!
Cc: Nisiw365

nisai:
This one off me

How's u?

TAO11:
These aren’t recent from bloggers.

Your kings have Yoruba praise names some of which were collected by R. E. Dennet 115 years ago from Benin.

See 1st screenshot featuring Adimula, Õṣa’keji, et. al. Tell us the meanings of these if they are Bini words.


Your screenshot is an opinion of a certain Ryder from the year 1965.

Guess what has happened between 1965 and 2021 in the field of historical scholarship of African history.

The field of historical scholarship of African history has unanimously debunked that opinion from Ryder.

See for example:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A summary of this unanimous conclusion of scholars is aptly put in a 2016 publication as attached below in the 2nd screenshot below:

Cheers!
Cc: Newton85

Truthvalue:
His definition of research is to go and listen to story tellers. The guy is a joke.

He still doesn't understand that historical research means studying eyewitness account, not storyteller account.

Olu317:
So, the 1894 was superior to what the Ileife account asserts ? You must be a big time clown flawful to believe this account of Samuel Ajayi Crowther,who did not do any field research work in Ileife and inform peopele wrongly aboutt the place . Are you even aware that Samuel Ajayi Crowther misinterpreted some Yoruba lexicons ? If you are interestd, in knowing more kindly go to Ileife toknow if Oduduwa was a man or woman.

Mind you,there is ample evidence that showcase that, Oba Bini was a descendant of Oranmiyan, a Yoruba man and Oken okun was a direct descendant of Ekerledan,the founder of Ughottan , who died and was buried in the same Ughottan.

TAO11:
True!

r4bbit:
TAO11 has given you everything you need to get the book.

Olodo

r4bbit:
I read it ...
You should to,(to the full including the references) maybe daht way you go get some sense. I know it may take you days but when you finally finish reading it, am sure your life will neva remain de same
Olodo

I like you though cuz yu make me laff

TAO11:
Dullard, whether I (or my brother) thinks the word “Yoruba” comes from the phrase “Oyo is the king” — that’s our personally view in the 20th/21st century.

However, what our forefather say w.r.t. the etymology of the word “Yoruba” is that it comes from the phrase “Ori Obba” — the “Head King”.
own to say in the 20th. And this was recorded in writing in the mid 1800s.

Moreover, no where did Ajayi Crowther say the word “Yoruba” derive from “Yarba”/“Yarriba”. He simply said this is how the Hausa people pronounce it in their own attempt.

The key-word here is pronounce it. Enrol in a primary school if you actually need to know what the word “pronounce” means.

Some Yorubas till date pronounce “Ìgbò” as “Yi.bo” — that is their best attempt, not that they give the Ìgbòs their name.

Lastly, the word “Yoruba” (or any of its non-native pronunciation) has no meaning whatsoever in any Northern language.





Gregyboy, if I came to this life a second time; I would still choose you as my slave.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Dullard, whether I (or my brother) thinks the word “Yoruba” comes from the phrase “Oyo is the king” — that’s our personally view in the 20th/21st century.

However, what our forefather say w.r.t. the etymology of the word “Yoruba” is that it comes from the phrase “Ori Obba” — the “Head King”.
own to say in the 20th. And this was recorded in writing in the mid 1800s.

Moreover, no where did Ajayi Crowther say the word “Yoruba” derive from “Yarba”/“Yarriba”. He simply said this is how the Hausa people pronounce it in their own attempt.

The key-word here is pronounce it. Enrol in a primary school if you actually need to know what the word “pronounce” means.

Some Yorubas till date pronounce “Ìgbò” as “Yi.bo” — that is their best attempt, not that they give the Ìgbòs their name.

Lastly, the word “Yoruba” (or any of its non-native pronunciation) has no meaning whatsoever in any Northern language.





Gregyboy, if I came to this life a second time; I would still choose you as my slave.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Is this the best face-saving lie you have to offer?

Is this how you plan to save Benin kingdom from me?

You should do better this.

Olu317:
Are you for real ? The account you post is not of Ileife. Infact, there is a spot where the man identified as Oduduwa has a place where he sunk into the ground,that chain is attached.


So,not all you see on Wikipedia at times are true. Infact, this man was the pioneer with the king title ooni(owner and wealthy one) This account is also found among Ado people who unconsciously mistaken odudua as wife of obatala. This same Obatala engaged Odudua (human ones) in a battle and Obatala lost this war.

In ileife, there is a comical replica of this contest, at entrace of a new ooni that emerge from Oranmiyan quarter( Idio). This is also done in your Bini enclave,which is known as Ekiokpagh treaty

TAO11:
Dullard, whether I (or my brother) thinks the word “Yoruba” comes from the phrase “Oyo is the king” — that’s our personally view in the 20th/21st century.

However, what our forefather say w.r.t. the etymology of the word “Yoruba” is that it comes from the phrase “Ori Obba” — the “Head King”.
own to say in the 20th. And this was recorded in writing in the mid 1800s.

Moreover, no where did Ajayi Crowther say the word “Yoruba” derive from “Yarba”/“Yarriba”. He simply said this is how the Hausa people pronounce it in their own attempt.

The key-word here is pronounce it. Enrol in a primary school if you actually need to know what the word “pronounce” means.

Some Yorubas till date pronounce “Ìgbò” as “Yi.bo” — that is their best attempt, not that they give the Ìgbòs their name.

Lastly, the word “Yoruba” (or any of its non-native pronunciation) has no meaning whatsoever in any Northern language.





Gregyboy, if I came to this life a second time; I would still choose you as my slave.

Cheers!

Truthvalue:
Gregyboy, I have got the book in which an eyewitness clearly states that the deceased Oba of Benin was buried in his palace.

I wait for your reply, I will have to research the page again.

Truthvalue:
Gregyboy, I have got the book in which an eyewitness clearly states that the deceased Oba of Benin was buried in his palace.

I wait for your reply, I will have to research the page again.

TAO11:
Olodo!

Everyone knows they’re whole bodies are not buried in Ife even in the classical times — i.e. even prior to 1897.

In the pre-1897 Benin, the corpse is buried, but its head is later exhumed and ready to be transported to Ife. This is done for every third-reign Benin king.

~ Says Benin sources.

“The head of the royal corpse was subsequently exhumed and taken to the royal ancestral grave at Ile-Ife; but this was done in every third reign.”

~ J. U. Egharevba, “Benin Law and Custom,” CMS Niger Press, Port Harcourt, 1946, p.72.

Cheers!

TAO11:
Go and see it now. I hold you?

By the way it is a book, not an article. Olodo!

A. B. Ellis, “The Yoruba Speaking Peoples,” (1894).

TAO11:
Crap from your butthole. Push it back in.

Did you ever see the 4-walls of a school to have known the meaning of the word “pronunciation” which clearly written on your own screenshot which I have highlighted below?? I doubt.

Also:
“Yoruba” (the native pronunciation by the owners of the name); “Yaruba”/“Yarba”/“Yarriba” (Arab & Hausa pronunciation); or “Yourriba” (an early European’s pronunciation) — none of these pronunciation means anything in Hausa language or Fulfude, contrary to popular insinuations. Ask your Northern friend if you have one.

Instead, the name “Yoruba” (or any of its variant pronunciations by foreigners) is said, by R. F. Burton, to have a well-known etymology among the Yorubas

Richard F. Burton is a European explorer who visited Yorubaland in the 1800s and found that this word is well-known to have derived from the Yoruba phrase “Ori Obba” — the “Head King” ~ R.F. Burton (1863), p.229.

Cc: Nisiw365

TAO11:
The rants of a conquered slave.

Your tears taste sweet.

Give me more.

Peace.

TAO11:
You this Edo boy (“Edo” means “natural slave”) by the way. /s

When would you stop being humiliated on behalf of Benin Kingdom? Are you descended from a sword bearer’s family?

All your innuendos are being trashed one by one — is it because you yourself are a trash?

(1) You claimed that Bishop Samuel Adjai Crowther was a historian.

That was debunked as he was a linguist.

(2) You claimed he wrote a Yoruba history book and a comprehensive one at that.

That was debunked via the fact that he didn’t write a single Yoruba history book.

Instead, he wrote his grammar books, dictionaries, etc. one of which featured 7 pages (out of 202 pages) as an (obviously very brief) introductory remark on:

(A) The account of origin/creation in Ife

(B) The account of some of the kings of Oyo.

(3) You claimed that A. Crowther’s cOmPrEhEnSive account of Yoruba history [actually an extremely brief remark of 7 out of 202 pages] covers the period of kingships in Ife — and that Oduduwa’s name was omitted from the list of Ife Ife kings.

That was debunked by the fact that Crowther’s very brief remark (on “history”) in that book of grammar has nothing to do with the period of kingships in Ife.

As such omitting Oduduwa’s name from the list of Ife kings doesn’t even come up. Stop hallucinating.

(4) You claimed that Oranmiyan was not the first king of Oyo according to S. Crowther.

That was the debunked by the fact that S. Crowther never talked about any first king of Oyo.

(5) You claimed that the name “Yoruba” (or any of its variant pronunciations by foreign tongues) originated from a Fulani/Hausa word.

That was debunked by the fact that it (i.e. “Yoruba” or any of its variant pronunciations by foreign tongues) has absolutely no meaning in Hausa or Fulfude.

It was also debunked by the fact that Richard Burton in 1863 published that the etymology of this name is something which is well-known among the Yorubas as being from the Yoruba phrase “Ori-Obba”— that is, the “Head King”.

(6) In conclusion, your laughable claim that S. Johnson (one of the Yoruba writers after S. Crowther) actually invented Oduduwa/Oranmiyan is one of those claims which are a figment of your wild/slavish imagination.

And since you’ve failed to prove your wish, could you then cite a peer-reviewed journal article which helps you to achieve what you intended? I hope not to wait forever.

As everyone now knows, you’re a disgrace to yourself, to your family and friends.

——————
Regarding your latest innuendos in your reply here:

(1) Again, S. A. Crowther’s 7-page brief side-step (out of his grammar book of 202 pages in sum) actually deals with only two things, viz.

(A) The account of origin/creation in Ife.

(B) The account of some of the kings of Oyo.

The first of these two is an allegorical creation story which no historian claims is literal history.

Neither did I claim it’s literal history at any point. This is simply a story foundational to religious beliefs.

It is an allegory, and as such may feature names, etc. that keeps changing from source to source.

For example, the Ifa source (Odu Oturupon-Wonifa to be precise) gives the names of these heavenly beings as Oduduwa, Orunmila, et al.

And there are books on the Yoruba people’s religion, etc. (published before Johnson’s history) which shows the name Oduduwa as one of these heavenly deities tasked with the creation. See A.B. Ellis (1894).

Away from religious story and back to history now: In the whole of his 7 (out of 202) pages brief remark on the accounts of the Yorubas, his only touch on history is the half on Oyo and some of its kings.

No where in his very brief remark on “history” (in the grammar book) did he mention anything that has to do with the second dynasty of kings in Ife.

As such, your iSsuE of the OmMisSiOn of Oduduwa’s name from Ife’s history/kings is actually a very classic example of an absurd counter discourse.

———————
Regarding your attachment wherein you seem to be insinuating that Professor Robin Horton affirms the claim (by foreign elements) that Yorubas emerged in the Middle East and sometimes later migrated from there to occupy ancient Ife:

Well, I’m sorry to break it to you that I have a copy of Robin Horton’s work here with me, and what he did was simply to first list that story of migration from the Middle East, and then debunk it thoroughly via evidence from archaeology, lexicostatistics, among others.

In the end, all the modern scientific evidence agrees with the Yorubas’ own traditions of autochthonous origin.

Why are you a serial loser?

Cheers!
Cc: r4bbit

TAO11:
You this Edo boy (“Edo” means “natural slave”) by the way. /s

When would you stop being humiliated on behalf of Benin Kingdom? Are you descended from a sword bearer’s family?

All your innuendos are being trashed one by one — is it because you yourself are a trash?

(1) You claimed that Bishop Samuel Adjai Crowther was a historian.

That was debunked as he was a linguist.

(2) You claimed he wrote a Yoruba history book and a comprehensive one at that.

That was debunked via the fact that he didn’t write a single Yoruba history book.

Instead, he wrote his grammar books, dictionaries, etc. one of which featured 7 pages (out of 202 pages) as an (obviously very brief) introductory remark on:

(A) The account of origin/creation in Ife

(B) The account of some of the kings of Oyo.

(3) You claimed that A. Crowther’s cOmPrEhEnSive account of Yoruba history [actually an extremely brief remark of 7 out of 202 pages] covers the period of kingships in Ife — and that Oduduwa’s name was omitted from the list of Ife Ife kings.

That was debunked by the fact that Crowther’s very brief remark (on “history”) in that book of grammar has nothing to do with the period of kingships in Ife.

As such omitting Oduduwa’s name from the list of Ife kings doesn’t even come up. Stop hallucinating.

(4) You claimed that Oranmiyan was not the first king of Oyo according to S. Crowther.

That was the debunked by the fact that S. Crowther never talked about any first king of Oyo.

(5) You claimed that the name “Yoruba” (or any of its variant pronunciations by foreign tongues) originated from a Fulani/Hausa word.

That was debunked by the fact that it (i.e. “Yoruba” or any of its variant pronunciations by foreign tongues) has absolutely no meaning in Hausa or Fulfude.

It was also debunked by the fact that Richard Burton in 1863 published that the etymology of this name is something which is well-known among the Yorubas as being from the Yoruba phrase “Ori-Obba”— that is, the “Head King”.

(6) In conclusion, your laughable claim that S. Johnson (one of the Yoruba writers after S. Crowther) actually invented Oduduwa/Oranmiyan is one of those claims which are a figment of your wild/slavish imagination.

And since you’ve failed to prove your wish, could you then cite a peer-reviewed journal article which helps you to achieve what you intended? I hope not to wait forever.

As everyone now knows, you’re a disgrace to yourself, to your family and friends.

——————
Regarding your latest innuendos in your reply here:

(1) Again, S. A. Crowther’s 7-page brief side-step (out of his grammar book of 202 pages in sum) actually deals with only two things, viz.

(A) The account of origin/creation in Ife.

(B) The account of some of the kings of Oyo.

The first of these two is an allegorical creation story which no historian claims is literal history.

Neither did I claim it’s literal history at any point. This is simply a story foundational to religious beliefs.

It is an allegory, and as such may feature names, etc. that keeps changing from source to source.

For example, the Ifa source (Odu Oturupon-Wonifa to be precise) gives the names of these heavenly beings as Oduduwa, Orunmila, et al.

And there are books on the Yoruba people’s religion, etc. (published before Johnson’s history) which shows the name Oduduwa as one of these heavenly deities tasked with the creation. See A.B. Ellis (1894).

Away from religious story and back to history now: In the whole of his 7 (out of 202) pages brief remark on the accounts of the Yorubas, his only touch on history is the half on Oyo and some of its kings.

No where in his very brief remark on “history” (in the grammar book) did he mention anything that has to do with the second dynasty of kings in Ife.

As such, your iSsuE of the OmMisSiOn of Oduduwa’s name from Ife’s history/kings is actually a very classic example of an absurd counter discourse.

———————
Regarding your attachment wherein you seem to be insinuating that Professor Robin Horton affirms the claim (by foreign elements) that Yorubas emerged in the Middle East and sometimes later migrated from there to occupy ancient Ife:

Well, I’m sorry to break it to you that I have a copy of Robin Horton’s work here with me, and what he did was simply to first list that story of migration from the Middle East, and then debunk it thoroughly via evidence from archaeology, lexicostatistics, among others.

In the end, all the modern scientific evidence agrees with the Yorubas’ own traditions of autochthonous origin.

Why are you a serial loser?

Cheers!
Cc: r4bbit

Senudi96:
Look at their language, names and cultural practices. Edoid cultures don't have New Yam festival.

Perhap many years living close to their Edoid neighbors have made them borrow some aspects of their culture and traditions but they're more Igbo than Edo.

Fejoku:
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The bolded is false. Benin military might was never strong enough 70km radius from Benin city. Where was Benin when jihadist took over Auchi? Benin was already down by the time the British decided to colonize Nigeria.

SlayerForever:
That dressing is undeniably Igbo. However they may not be Igbo.

Nisiw365:
Edo's are subgroup of Yoruba

Newton85:
Yeah, that must be why your Oba is called "abieyuwa n'ovbi odua n'uhe" (son of the wealthy Odua of Ice). That must also be why your Oba is called "Ovbi Adimula" (Son of Adimula). Adimula is Oduduwa's other name. And that must also be why your Oba is called "Ikeji orisha" (second in command to the gods), which is a title for Yoruba Obas. Not that I should have dignified you with a response though. I should have left you with your fellow clown who says Bini people are Yoruba. The two of you deserve each other. Peace.

Olutishe490:
What sort of weed do you smoke?....How father pay hommage to the son?... Oranmiyan founded Benin monarchy, it was ogiso the rulling dynasty when Oranmiyan got there and change it to Obaship!!!!....You and your stupid historian are doing a bad job, Ife has been in existence way before Benin kingdom or Igodomigodo, there were 79 kings ruled in Ife before Oduduwa cutting across different dynasties (Ife Oodaye, Ife Ooyelagbo) after that Oduduwa dynasty which 5 Oonis was crowned before the founder of your Obaship (Oranmiyan) returns and became the 6th Ooni!!! You mumus need good history lesson!!! Sultan of sokoto, Emir of Kano, Ooni of Ife and other monarchs graced his coronation and that doesn't mean he pays hommage at the coronation you fool.

Fejoku:
Understood. The igue festival =/= New Yam festival.
Emo rho is your new yam festival. That you people collapsed it into celebrating Igue shows that it wasn't a big festival to your people compared to how it is among us.

Newton85:
The Bini royals are Yoruba descendants, regardless of their new revisionist, ahistorical Ekala-whatever nonsense, but that doesn't mean the Bini people are themselves Yoruba.