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9jakool:
The bolded is clearly a lie, but unsubstantiated claims are to be expected from you! Even the Ana subgroup of Yoruba in Togo celebrate new yam festival "dun itsu" and they are the most Western Yoruba group.

https://www.nairaland.com/2785603/ana-ife-odon-itsu-atakpame-togo

samuk:
Looking back, I think the early Oba that got western education should have done more to spread the knowledge centuries before the British came, who knows, things may have been different. The Yoruba stories will are debating today were initially written by returnee slaves who took the advantage of their western education to advanced their tribe.


Lets divide the country first and start again

There is another opportunity for us now to advance ourselves in science and technology. Africa and Nigeria is lacking in this area, so will can begin to position ourselves now. Science and technology is what made small Israel what they are in the world today. Those of us in Europe and America should advance ourselves by taking advantage of the many opportunities that are open to us. Here all black are viewed the same, no tribalism but racism.

budaatum:
Im de do trial run, or my money back if e no work?

Malawian:
Yes I am Igbo. I can tell you I spent about 7 years in Ekpoma and not once was there anything like new yam Festival. There is no such thing there at least now. If there was in the ancient past, I don't know. But now, no such thing there. Any Ishan in the house can concure.

samuk:
According to British documents in 1897, they complained that the Oba of Benin was disturbing the free flow of palm oil to Liverpool for making of soap. So the Benin war was initially for the control of Oil (palm oil) which the Oba of Benin had a monopoly. After the first humiliation by Benin, the British government was then convinced by their agents that the cost a large expedition could easily by paid for by the artifacts they have previously seen in the Oba Palace. The British government was convinced that there were enough artworks in the Oba Palace to pay for the war.

Benin is actually filled with royal traditional grounds with rich history. We are gradually losing them.

samuk:
Truthvalue and Gregyboy.

I just did a quick catch up with you guys and would like to add a few points.

1. According to Benin oral tradition, all new Obas mother were king when the old Obas died. So Benin oral tradition is in agreement with the French book just referenced. However oba Esigie hide his mother in a royal group called Oro (meaning secret) Street in Benin. Oro Street is situated at the beginning of TV road by five junctions. When you enter the Street, towards the end of the street on the right side is a small forest which everyone is forbidden to enter. This small forest of trees at the centre of town has been a royal ground since the time of Oba Esigie.

The oral history said, when the Benin chiefs were looking for Oba Esigie's mother, Queen Idia for execution, Esigie hide his mother in this forest in Oro Street and stationed chief Ero of Urubi to be a guide to prevent anyone from coming close by announcing that the ground contains a secret. Chief Ero Palace is not very far from this location.

In Benin, every new Oba can promulgate new laws, so oba Esigie threatened the chiefs that were looking for his mother for execution that if his mother is killed, henceforth he will introduce a law that all senior chiefs and nobles mothers will also be killed when their fathers die. A deal was reached and queen Idia was speared. The killing of new Obas mother stopped from the time of queen Idia. We all know the role she later played in the Benin/Ida war.

2. What is not often reported is that the first British led by captain Philip that matched into Benin in 1897 had about 400 soldiers of mostly Hausas and other tribes, it was about eight British commanding about 400 Africa troops matching their ways with Scottish pipes and drums in Benin from Ughoton. This guys were ambushed by the Benin troops, only two British survived that initial attacks and there is no record of how many of the black troops were killed by Benin soldiers, few also ran into the forest for their safety.

The initial match on Benin was not sanctioned by the British government at Whitehall. But after the humiliation by Benin, the government was pushed to act against Benin.

Benin largely lost the war because Britain had the recently invented maxim gun which the Benin didn't have.

There are documentaries on YouTube called egua-Iyoba and another British documentary on the 1897 British massacre, this documentary referenced actual British government documents on the Benin massacre.

budaatum:
I tell you, even cocoa we no de plant anymore. All my people are migrating to Edo State because Edoans apparently don't steal like we do! And then somebody will be telling me to be angry at Fulani when its my own family people stealing my yam.

Abeg, send me some Benin ayelala, our own no too de work anymore!

budaatum:
Reminds me when we too in the Orolu Kingdom used to celebrate yam festival. People will dig up 3 year old yam so big that you'd be proud to pay for a wife in yam.

These days no one plants yam anymore because as soon as it is 9 months old, some thief will come and harvest it for you, or rather for themselves, in the middle of the night whilst you slept and you'd end up eating worthless gari!

Truthvalue:
No, I still maintain, it was a select few who betrayed the Emperor.

Malawian:
Oga, I schooled in Ishan land. They don't even do yams per say. They do something called Ema. There is nothing like new yam Festival among the Ishans. 7 years in that town is enough to conclude.

Truthvalue:
Actually, the Oba of Benin came out to surrender on his own. It is believed that he was wrongly advised by a noble.
Nobody took the british to him. After Oba Ovonramwen surrendered, General Ologbotsere continued the fight.

Malawian:
Whether they are Igbo or not, I can't say. What I can say is his is the first time I am knowing of any New Yam Festival among any Edo tribe. The name of their tribe is also curious btw.

Truthvalue:
Chief Obaseki is an ancestor of mine, he's my great grand father.
I am not neutral in this affair, I personally do not think he betrayed. But there is one noble whose house was the only one spared in Benin city, that guy probably betrayed. I think I saw some documents some time ago about some traitors.
Immortalisation: deitification.

Truthvalue:
I think the story about the Iyoba might be badly interpreted. For example, did you notice that Oba Ovonramwen was quite young and newly crowned when he fought the british and lost the war against britain. Notice no mention of Oba Ovonramwen's mother or step mothers anywhere at all, no picture of them neither.
It is possible that the Iyoba is actually just the immortalisation of the Oba's mother

Something makes me think some of the Edo traitors who helped the british might have been Edo nobles who were supposed to be executed after the demise of Oba Ovonramwen's father.

Freestainworld:
The picture is Oshomole during his teen age.

Truthvalue:
In this book, it says wives and ministers were killed on the spot as soon as the king was buried. It also says the costum was not unique to Benin, that is was widely practised in Africa.

The idea in this practice was that everybody in these high positions would never attempt on the life of the king and would do anything to protect the king since their lives are attached to the King's life.

They also talk about how the ditches around the palace would be filled with the blood of newly executed slaves during the burial of the king.

Anyways, it is quite clear that the king was buried in Benin city, either in his very large palace, either around the palace. Eventhough this was obvious from the start. There is no case spotted in Africa of dead kings being transported to a foreign land for burial. And ife was a land foreign to Benin empire.

Olu317:
Lol. I do not have strength to engage you on literarily issue that has been trashed by people in Ughotton who are descendants of Oken Okun , the descendants of Ekalardan, who descended from Ogiso lineage. The direct and only son of Ogiso Owodo.

Infact, TAO11, has covered this part of the story, of oduduwa personality beyond reasonable doubt , as his warrior descendant odẹdè ọranmiyan arrived your ancestors land Igodo in grand style and overthrew the ogiso dynasty to turn it to his ancestor's o bà . So , no need for me to overstretch myself.



cheers

TAO11:
DEBUNKED!


My reply to your 1st screenshot:



My reply to your 2nd screenshot:



My reply to your 3rd screenshot:


God created gregyboy so TAO11 can have someone to humiliate. In the end, you clearly have a purpose in life.

Truthvalue:
Gregyboy, please remind me the email address you sent the message to.

Truthvalue:
Gregyboy and Samuk:

This is from a book which was published in 1887. It was written by a french person who was on a trip to the land of the jebu. He counts what an eyewitness told him about how the burial of the Oba of Benin takes place. (In Benin city)
Benin is referred to as Ouéni in the book.
I will give you guys the book, I have just changed my screenshot to a much smaller one, the reason is that the description was very graphic.

Olu317:
1.There is an account of Ubinu kingdom, being visited by the first of Portuguese in 1472 during the late era of Oba Ewaure. The portuguese explorer's name was Ruy De Sequeira

2. Ruy De Sequeira Ruy De Sequeira did not have the opportunity to enter Bini via Ughotton because that was the period that the Bini King Ewaure was reorganising the kingdom. Although the gathered information about Bini before left back to Portugal, according to Antonio Galvao's account

3. According to eyewitness account, Ughotton, was established by Ekaladerhan in 11 century, the Ogiso Owodo's only son. Interestingly, it was around 1170 AD, after Ekaladerhan had been chased away that Oranmiyan arrived from Yoruba land of Ileife to Igodo.

4. During the era of Oba Ozolua, whose predecessor was oba Ewaure, the Portuguese explorer Jaoa D'Aveiro arrived Bini and he met Ohen Okun descendant of Ekaladerhan), who was the chief head of Ughotton and the chief worshipper of Olokun.

5. Joao D'Aveiro and Ohen okun travelled to portugual on the sanction of Oba Ewaure and the new king of Portugal who was crowned King in 1481.

5. The visit went as agreed upon and bilateral relationship was established in this era around 1485-1506 .

6. These crew with emissary of Oba Bini ,who was Ohen Okun went from Ughotton. This land of Ughotton lies in around 42 kilometers southeast to Bini. Below screenshot shows Ughotton and Ileife



6. It was this relationship that brought about the lengendary Ooni of Ileife, which asserts, to the east of Beny(Bini)kingdom about twenty moon's journey(about 250 leagues),there lived, the most powerful monarch of these part called Igane(oghene/ooni).Among the pagan chiefs, of these territories of Beny (Bini) . He Oghene (Ooni) is held in as a great veneration as supreme pontiff with us .

a. " De Barros Da Asia,First Decade Book iii. Crone(1937)pp126-7 as cited by Hodgins,T(1975) Nigeria perspectives, 2nd Edition(O.U.P)p. 124."

b. "The relationship between Benin and Portuguese Relation:Ughotton as a port :1485-1506 by Michael Ediagbonya."

[s]The above info rmation clearly state the superiority of Ooni over Oba Bini. Infact there is also a ritual link between Bini and Ileife, which shows Ooni as a father of all kings associated with Ileife,included Bini kingdom. So, Ekaladerhan was never never odudaiwa Olofin and he did not near anywhere called Ileife in his lifetime[/s].

TAO11:
You’re already feeling the TAO syndrome.

Once I humiliate you, you must lose shame & come back for more. You’re a disgrace anyways.

See links below for a reminder of your disgrace:

(A)https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/18#104637948 (Refer to the 2nd segment of the comment here).


(B)https://www.nairaland.com/6482972/name-lagos-called-ekonunuame-benins/17#104617191

I will only retype/copy&paste the punishment (i.e. the comment in full) if you go crazy on anew page.


Cc: christistruth00

Truthvalue:
This R.C.C guy is smart, I always thought I were the only person to spot the parrallels between the yoruba story and the Greek history, starting with the notion of city states. It is obvious that the inventor of the yoruba stories which some call "yoruba history" studied the history of Greece and copied that history.

TAO11:
You mean two distinct Oduduwas were discussed in two different type of books.

(1) A deity in a book of Yoruba religion, etc.

(2) A human-king in a book of Yoruba history.

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NB:
A historical man may be deified as a male deity, or a female deity, or both — e.g. King Oduduwa.

Similarly, a historical woman may be deified as a male deity, or a female deity, or both. — e.g. Queen Olokun.

TAO11:
My slaves?

False! It was published in 1880.

You’re trying too hard to make the FrEnCh BoOk hard flit find.

You’re dead-scared that I would humiliate you & your folks with some damaging information in the book.

Written by Louis Jacolliot who was on a trip to Ijebu, Borgu, Niger.

Eyewitness? LMAO!

Where in the book is it said that the native informant is an eyewitness to a Benin king’s burial?

Anyways, it makes zero difference if Ourano (or anyone else for that matter) was an eyewitness as will be shown below. Baldie, be reducing you lie oo.

What you attached reads in context in the original as follows:

“Des que le roi est déposé dans la terre, on égorge sur sa tombé ses ministres, les serviteurs attaché à sa personne et toutes ses femmes. Cette coutume qui existe depuis un temps immémorial. est consacrée par la tradition.” ~ L. Jacolliot, “Voyage Aux Pays Mystérieux,” 1880, p. 46.

Which in English read as follows:

“As soon as the king is placed in the earth, his ministers, his servants and all his wives are slaughtered on his grave. This custom that has existed since time immemorial is consecrated by tradition.”

On the presumption that this took place in Benin, it is impossible still that any sane human being would see a conflict between this (on one hand), and the more detailed account recorded by Chief J. U. Egharevba as collected from Oba Akenzua 2’s.

“The head of the royal corpse was subsequently exhumed and taken to the royal ancestral grave at Ile-Ife; but this was done in every third reign.” ~ J. U. Egharevba, “Benin Law and Custom,” CMS Niger Press, Port Harcourt, 1946, p.72.

You Binis are clearly a disgrace. And a slave (I almost forgot).

Benin is referred to as Ouéni in the book. Benin is referred to as “Bênin”, “Bénin” in the book.

The name “Ouéni” is mentioned in the book but it is only arguably in reference to Benin, and arguably not in reference to Benin.

I will give you guys the book, I have just changed my screenshot to a much smaller one, the reason is that the description was very graphic. I have the book. I already quoted the part you removed.

In fact, if I get angry I will post the preceding page (p. 45.) which interestingly proves that the Oba of Benin is not indigenous to your land.

TAO11:
Bashorun Ga GaHa you mean.

The Ga people of Ghana claimed to have come to the plains of Accra from Ile-Ife.

Christistruth00:
God also Created Gregboy and his band of History Revisionists so we could learn how to Search carefully and diligently to uncover the Truth and finally Ram it down their lying throats till they learn to digest It no matter how unpalatable they find it

It is only the Truth that can knock them out though it tastes like Hemlock to them

TAO11:
DEBUNKED!


My reply to your 1st screenshot:



My reply to your 2nd screenshot:



The opinion expressed in your 3rd screenshot is that of a certain Ryder from the year 1965.

Guess what has happened between 1965 and 2021 in the field of historical scholarship of African history.

The field of historical scholarship of African history has unanimously debunked that opinion from Ryder.

See for example:

A. Akinjogbin (1967), F. Willett (1973), R. C. C. Law (1973), R. Horton (1979), A. Obayemi (1980), R. Smith (1988), B. Adediran (1991), D. Bondarenko (2003), S. A. Akintoye (2010), A. Ogundiran (2020), et al.

A summary of this unanimous conclusion of scholars is aptly put in a 2016 publication as attached below in the screenshot below.

God created gregyboy so TAO11 can have someone to humiliate. In the end, you clearly have a purpose in life.


Cc: Olu317, christistruth00