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If the oba was a yoruba man like this men are forcing me to believe why is oba of benin not having a yoruba tribal mark or an ife tribal mark on his face..... To show ancestory


Make my benin people they think oo if they want the best for themselves


I hate that benin my tribe are skacking behind and they feel comfortable in it


They can't eveb think for themselves
Mtcheew

Etrusen
Fezz

Fezz:
I know I said I won't reply you again, but here is a food for thought for you greg. The ogiamen family whom where the administrators of igodomigodo after the reign of the ogisos also claim till today that the ogisos existed. This is an ancient family that has been around even before oranmiyan came to igodomigodo, so who are you to say that the ogisos did not exist. Our four-fathers passed down oral history mentioning each name of the previous ogisos, My grand father told me about the ogisos and his own fathers passed on the history to him aso well. The ogisos are very real and they were not made up by the Europeans. Who do you think introduced the Adah and eben, do you think they just fell from the sky?. It was the second ogiso during the ogiso dynasty that evented them and his name is Ogiso Ere. His name is written in history as the inventor and no one can erase it. This is all I have to say to you. Cheers!

Oga any of the oba can introduced the adah and eben was it written in the adah thst that ogiso invented it

Am telling you nothing like ogiso existed bro

Yes i never deniel the mention of the wods ogiso used by benin in ancient context, i simply showed why it is a myth made up by bins

The title of benin rulers have always been oba

How did i know, i read ancient context, on benin naratives talking about ogiso

One the ancient tex goes like this

*Ogiso ruled in the time of no moon or sun 1600AD

*Ogiso were displace by a whiteman who came through the waters, and slept with the ogiso daughters and gave birth to eweka


With all knowledge from bini custom and history you would see ogiso never existed, it was mythical talks, just like ogene n uhe..


, you said your grandfather talked about names of various ogiso, please what year i really want to know, any names of ogiso after 1914, is void, they were made up by the palace and learnt by the chief recently after 1914


Throughout the mention of ogiso pre 1914
There was never a mentioned of particular name of ogiso who ruled, they only mentioned ogiso as a ruler, and not a particular ogiso
It easy after pre 1914 to make up history to patch history

Was your father a chief or a commoner?


Ogimien history happened long after eweka history, ogiemien history had no associate with any oromiyan or Oduduwa that didnt exist,

Ekaladerhan and ogiemien history
Was simply when prince Ekaladerhan was accused of sleeping with one of his fathers wife, his father was an oba not ogiso because ogiso never ruled, this made the then oba father angry, and asked them to kill Ekaladerhan with no appellation or judgement, Ekaladerhan fled to ughton that was yet unestablished then as a settlement and hid
In the forest of ughton, and later after the oba had died the truth came out Ekaladerhan was wrongfully accused and some chief went in search of him they found him at ughoton and was asked to come to take his throne, that
Ogiemien (lord of the sea) probably a strong olokun worshiper which tells from his name
Had already sat on the throne and Ekaladerhan fought him and they came to an agreement after the war, because of much causualtity...
Note: the ogimien would say anything to get attention saying the oba is a yoruba man makes him more eligible to the throne...

Now oba erediawa in blessed memory twisted the original story of Ekaladerhan taken around 1906 and added oromiyan and eweka to it....to have a flavour of Oduduwa and attached it to yoruba

Youre making my work hard Pick a book and read


See my screenshot below from a Benin renowned historian

I will keep on telling the correct history on Nairaland till the truth is out, i know some palace people are on Nairaland here


Screenshot one shows how egharevba describe the ogisos

Picture 2 shows were egharevba got his information from

Jagunlabiodua:
Benin and IFE history dates back to More than 1000 years, why are you people so ignorant and stupid, a Yoruba man OBA is Benin king and Benin are Yoruba people speaking different dialects. There language is similar to Yoruba dialects. You now know more than a whole OBA of Benin, what sort of arrogance is this? Are you normal, do you think this people don’t have family history that they pass orally to offsprings? Do you know the secrets behind the crown? Don’t come here and say you know the history of Benin more than the King, it is Nigeria north that divided Benin and Yoruba for politics, OBA of Benin is a Yoruba king period. All OBAs in Yorubaland throw banter on who is superior but they know their history better than you

Are you high,

Yes bini and ife myth existed 1000yrs ago


But the issues we are having is that we cant see the trace of ife and benin interlationship throughout history....


They are supposed to be yoruba titles in benin palace pertaining to yorubas from ife...

But we don't see that
They ought to be ifa worship in benin palace

It is not there....

The europeans never saw benin and ife interact throughout their 409yrs in benin, when they saw various other yoruba tribe who interacted with benin, they happen never to see any bini-ife relationship or interaction



Or is there something i dont know that you want to tell me to convince me


The oba is citizen of edo just as me, he is the oba doesn't mean he be more correct in edo history than an average edo man....

The ife benin history started after 1914, for political unification

samuk:
The Yoruba created and have been seriously working on their political history since late 1800s and the annexation of Benin history through Oduduwa is their target, there is nothing wrong if the Oba of Benin find a way to beat them to their game. Gregyboy is a young man full of energy and as he grows older he will understand the politics of history and the history of politics and know how to situate and present them without causing offence.

As established as European history there are myths, mythical figures, political histories and actual eyewitness historical accounts, historians always find a way of putting things in their proper perspectives.

Halloween and father Christmas are some of the myths and fairytales of Europe that are still being celebrated across the world. If the Oba of Benin decided to celebrate Oduduwa who he believes was a Benin prince, there is nothing wrong with it.

There is all things wrong with it, if he doesn't say his a myth so the people would what he is celebrating or they are celebrating


Atleast we kniw father Christmas are mythical figures but we celebrate them

But the edo people are believing Oduduwa was real and are celebrating it for such reasons which shouldn't be.....

samuk:
Now that the Oba of Benin have told the world that Oduduwa was a Benin prince, you can see how uninterested and deflated TAO11 and her Yoruba people have become on the Oduduwa Benin connection. They are now even calling the story a lie. TAO11 know the Yoruba can't argue history or myths with the Benins, they just don't have the historical authority to do so.

You can see how insulting TAO11 has become because the Oba of Benin have beaten them to their games. This is the point gregyboy should understand, the politics of history. Gregyboy still see history on a straight line, with time, he will develop a bird's eye view, 360 degrees and future views of history.

The Oba of Benin and his chiefs are smart people, Benin people are generally smart people otherwise they couldn't have controlled, ruled and influenced people with larger populations for over 500 years.

Whatever the the narrative on Oduduwa, Benin will always have the upper hand because Yoruba don't and cannot date it earlier than late 1800s, they will always rely on Benin historical dates on Oduduwa story.

If the Yoruba want to argue Oduduwa, historical or myths, they cannot do so earlier than late 1800s without referencing Benin. If they decide to argue against it and say the story is a fabrication, it will take nothing away from Benin already established history. Anyhow it is view, Benin will always be their elder, head or tail Benin wins any historical contest between Benin and Yoruba.

Dont blame me bro i tried my best to force him to read ans study benin history so he can see the politics behind it himself ,
But nope he is too lazy to do it or feels reluctant


My lashing towards him made him call you a saint

davidnazee:
You are talking about the Igodomigodo before the breakup of the union and establishment of the Oba title.. however the Ogisos are not myth or fairytales. they actually ruled the Igodomigodo. The title was rotational among the various clans and held less power..

Like you mentioned, before Eweka there were rulers, what do you think those rulers were called?

Who told you the title was rotational... Nawa foe you you just carry form anything for your head they give me to believe

On the illustration i gave on how benin were united under eweka,
I didn't just form it on my head like you just formed yours


It took me knowledge of various bini historical document and event in benin documented by europeans for me to give such analysis

Who told you they were rotational can you give me any past even in benin history that made you have this rotational thinking of political system of ogiso

davidnazee:
You are talking about the Igodomigodo before the breakup of the union and establishment of the Oba title.. however the Ogisos are not myth or fairytales. they actually ruled the Igodomigodo. The title was rotational among the various clans and held less power..

Like you mentioned, before Eweka there were rulers, what do you think those rulers were called?

Those rulers could be family names thats why we have different greetings in benin showing your family names,

The ogiso talk was a mythical talk you have been on Nairaland for long you should have passed this stage of reasoning bro


Benin never believed in the existence of sky to even begin with all ancient text has proved this to be true

Benins belived the earth was their afterlife and that if a man dies, his souls remains on earth both the soul of the oba, who stays around to protect his family from harm after death

They felt the cloud was empty that it was created by their idols on earth to help humanity, idols like eziza= the god of the wind,
Avanuku= the god of thunderstorm and many others


The belive of a sky kings later on was influenced of europeans and their Christianity
Even at that, it was in mere speech the edos made such refrence on sky kings

And it didn't show in their daily traditional life


History is research ans reasoning, even if history is well documented actions of people also needs to be interpreted...


My stance still remain benin ans ife never had encounter prior to 1914

Olu317:
Your Oba knows the truth , which is the reason, he took it upon himself to honour his ancestors by doing a sacrificial rites as being done by Fagbamila Olalomi, Oramiya, Owu, Ake, Alaafin, Awujale,etc.

Meanwhile, Ekerlederan died in Ughoton. . Edo liars. Read the founder of Ughoton direct descendants , who went to visit King Emmanuel of Portugal in 1505.

Itis a fact that Ughoton Ohen Olokun was the direct descendant of Ekerlederan; descendant of Owodo.

Interview with Mrs. F. Iguakun, Age-46, Venue Ughoton, Occupation-Nursing.

Interview conducted on 15-4-2013. For further information on religion at Ughoton, see interview with Christopher Enodunmwenben, Age-59, occupation – farming , venue-Ughoton.

Interview conducted on 6-4-2013 and interview with Rolland Obazee, Age-71, Occupation-Retired Soldier, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Interview with Thomas Okunhon, Age-75, Occupation-farming, Venue-Ughoton Village. Interview conducted on 6-4-2013.

-Isichie, E . History of West Africa since 1800 (Macmillan Publishers, 1969)

Am the only edo person who has been shouting Ekaladerhan history has nothing to do with yoruba

Fezz
Etrusen


As a matter of fact if you go through my post you will see it, i pointed out that it was oba erediawa who twisted the original Ekaladerhan history to mean Oduduwa,


Benin and ife never had any connections pre 1913 not untill after the empire fell to the British, that the ife and benin myth were made up for political bebefit


Abi... You they fear to read my comment, you of all people should already know my stance

MrFlavvor:
It's like dem never Bleep your wife beat you ontop. Abi who dey Bleep your wife go fold hand dey look you dey beat am ni?

Beat d man, you mean, lol

Go search the meaning of go down in pidgin

Dem never cut your prick na cause am,


NO forgiveness for any man wen i catch on top
My wife, u must go down

Both the police and the dad are guilty and needs to be arrested


If one is mad, you don't have to go Mader to prove a point

Op give us the follow up,

Nolloywood don die, na nairaland dem won kick am start again...

Your story nor sweet op try part 2

Dem fit put am for middle of d screen i just dey ask


Like for middle, share for centre

[quote author=Raypeckson post=101420327][/quote]Na legit brother no scam zone

But na inside oshodi e dey oo,

Na 4.5 last

Land for sale

budaatum:
Make payment to the account of this individual, ref budaatum. Details in signature. On confirmation of receipt your education will begin.

While at it, request a copy of Samuel Johnson's History of the Yorubas because it is obvious you have not read it.

Hmm, lol, i have not read it, lol.....


Tell me something i dont know


Bring my supposed evidence first before payment

The origin of Oduduwa like everyone believed to be from ife was actually a big false lie
The europeans had contact with the vast yorubas as early as 1826 and there was no mention of Oduduwa
Though they had contact with some Yorubas like ijebu, itsekiri aworis but they never mentioned or heard Oduduwa narrative from them. The ife people as we know where the most religious people in the ancient yoruba time,
And they were accorded respect by some yorubas, the ife people worshiped ifa, which had is derivative from the name ife, the worship of oduduwa never existed and the artworks found in ife were purchased by the ifa priest from art vendors who used them for religious purposes those artworks was never made in ife


The man who invented Oduduwa was samuel Johnson in 1897 an oyo captured slave who was schooled in lodon, and was later given his freedom back to Africa, He had formed Oduduwa from his imagination to falsely unit the yorubas into one, he had seen the future on European occupation in Africa and there was a need to prepare them a for a country by giving them a sense of unity in the future
The Benin claim to oduduwa was also false this was done when the bins at early times around 1915 sought political support from the yorubas and they were automatically grouped also as Oduduwa children


Oromiyan on the other hand is an idol from oyo believe to be their predecessor

Anyone with a contrary opinion should bring evidence



Tao11
Macof
Fezz
Etrusen

samuk:
Few questions for you.

1. Which Europeans writing from Benin, collected the Yoruba appellation of the Benin kings, was it the pre-1808 (1440 - 1897) Europeans writings or the post-1897 European (British) writing?

2. Can you cite us the earliest date in Yoruba history that Oduduwa was referred to as an actual human being other than a myth, if you can show us a date earlier than 1800, I will go on self imposed exile from nairaland for 6 months

3. 1826 was the first time the Europeans visited the hinterland of Yoruba and they met the Alaafin as the leader of the Yoruba people, can you show us any date earlier than 1826 when the Ooni was referred to as the leader of the Yoruba people.

4. If you can't show us any date earlier than 1826, when was the first time the Ooni assumed the leadership position of all Yoruba, was this based on history or politics.

The point of my questions is to show that Yoruba eyewitness historical accounts is not ealier than 1800s. Yoruba have been making up lies as history since the late 1800s which is completely different from what early Europeans who visited Yoruba land witnessed.

To the dumb**s Julius, how can Benin whose eyewitness historical accounts is more than 400 years older than Yoruba be a subgroup of Yoruba.

Only eyewitness historical accounts will be accepted, no insults as a way to avoid the questions.

Cheers.

The truth is ife wss not the origin of Oduduwas narrstivr, it was samuel who invented Oduduwa and not ife


Ife worshiped ifa in peace untill samuel johson formed it in his story book and was later accepted by awolowo and ooni after 1914

davidnazee:
So if Eweka was the first Oba, what was the previous rulers called?

The was never the first ruler title, it has always been oba


The ogiso the benins mentioned to europeans in the 1600Ad were one of their mythical faiy tale stories


The benin tradition doesnt even belive in heaven they believed in the world that existed here on earth, they believed the oba who is a supereme God throne was on earth

They didnt believe in heaven which could have been result of contact with europeans over time for them to be having that thought

I believed with the europeans interaction over time during the ancient period made them to start associating A God to the heavens

Which birthed ogiso narrative

You need to understand the benin traditional belive system to get my point here

The ethnographer who took the history of ogiso narrative by benins could have even influenced the benin people on assumptions of a sky king...like Jesus


Without any further bothering


Just know there was never ogisos who really ruled bini, it is a bini myth you need to read bini ancient text writing by europeans to know this

The bini people started by migrating to their present location and they once lived in fragmented clan and each clan rose to be stronger with leaders protecting their clans, but they were so much dissatisfaction coming from the rulers the various benin clan, and man called eweka rose up from a particular clan and fought wars with the other clans defeated their leaders and formed an autonomous kingdom, after a while some clans wanted to succeed and they were attacked and defeated and there was a need to form a central government were the oba was supreme


Now oba eweka from my research would be the founder of benin kingdom and was the first oba

Ogiso were mythical talks because the benin religion does not believe in heaven they beleive on life at earth that is on land and and sea after death, the European contact was likely what made them consider life on air


Have you seen this bronze casting


The bronze shows my illustrations

The oba holdimg a leopard signifying is contol over the fofest (land) and the oba holding a fish signifying sea

There was nothing show an heavenly beign dominated the oba in heavens


If you really need a discussion buzz me up

Fezz:
If you can't make reasonable points without dropping unnecessary childish abuses then I'm sorry, you can't hear from me again. I don't have time to waste. I don't know you and you don't know who I'm. No wonder they say Nairaland is no longer home to intellectuals but a den for unstable minds. If you like respond to this post or not, but you will never get a reply from me again. It's a total waste of time. Cheers!

Note: Every tribe has a creation story which is usually a myth. You can't compare that to Oduduwa folklore that was meant to have taken place just few centuries ago

Sorry if i was too vile you started it bro you did the insult first


With no further discussion and conviction drop your pride and ego and visit all my threads including the moniker *Edeyoung*
Profile and go search for the truth behind the Oduduwa myth...


Samuk would help you

I once argued for this very myth i disproved today, from 2016 to 2019 when i enterd nairaland

If you're edo then you deserve to know the truth.....

davidnazee:
Are u saying Ogisos are not real but fairytales?

Ogiso are fairy-tales benin mentioned ogiso to the europeans as early as 1600, you can find that in my numerous thread


The binis quote

Ogiso ruled during the time of no sun or mion

This is to tell you ogiso were ancient myth believe by benins to explain heavenly or spiritual phenomena and to give the oba a divine phenomenon


Without further discussion visit my profile i talked on it extensively


Ogiso were fairtales


Ogiso means sky kings-royals, what do you espect

Fezz:
You claim the Ogisos are a myth as well. I have nothing to discuss with you because you clearly don't know your roots. I will give you an assignment, feel free to submit it anytime. Go and find out the difference between folklore/fairytale and oral history.

The fact that the Portuguese where not around during the ogiso era does not mean they didn't exist. Our forefathers past on ancient history using our bronze casting and oral history. We are far different from the yoruba tribe because they built their history on folklore/fairytales.
In Benin history, you will never hear of stories of someone descending from the sky with chains or certain people turning into rivers or lakes. Our history is far more factual and authentic. You better find pride in our history and defend it instead of cutting corners by saying certain ancestors didn't exist.

Guy stop priding with ignorance....

I wont go extra miles to dig up materials to disprove you dont worth it,

You dont worth it, not at a particular time i am busy....

Your laziness stinks i want to belive you're yoruba trying to use an edo identity against me on a norms an edo man wont be this persistence you remain a suspect....


Anyway the benins in 1600 told europeans

Ogiso ruled in the time of "no sun or moon", i hope you regard this as a fairycious statement

If you need me to dig you this particular quote with refrence, i will charge you 3k for it, for your laziness and blockheadness


Are you aware as far back as 1400Ad europeans visited the benin palace to take document about their history...
They didnt just visit benin they actually visited the palace and had a chat with the benin royals and even spoke bini


The origin of ogba river were a human turned into a river is a myth,

Are you aware benin origin of creation...

How osanobua children descend fron the sky to earth only that in the myth they didnt specify their neans of transportation unlike the yorubas who specified theirs as chain climbers, probably osanobua children jumped from heaven to earth

Again the Portuguese relationship with binis ended very shortly it lasted 200yrs,you mentioning Portuguese instead of europeans tells how little you know in benin history


My guy go sitdown

You dont know benin history, you dont know yoruba history but attacked me proactively with an empty coconut head

If you pick a book and research bini and yoruba history thoroughly will you die.......


You know nothing i can detect is the history you read on net, that you came here to argue on

Nairaland is a place to meet people who are smarter and knowledgeable than you, you can only learn new thing if you drop what you already know

Bvmsson:
I don't think you have sense..... Don't be surprised that your dad once had sex with a guy... Rubbish.... Do you want to know how I know?

Gay briel

Buhari deserves this

woleabayo:
let he without sin be the first to cast the stone

Gay

Fezz:
It is obvious your are running away from a hitted argument with the Yoruba liars and that's why you have chosen the easy way out to claim Oduduwa does not exist. Shame!!

What do you know about yoruba history,

And what do you know about benin history


If i am arguing on Oduduwa myth i will still be flogging yorubas because i know the real truth
Behind the myth which youre scared to look into yourself


Lol... Ooh because oba says there is Oduduwa history in benin so you believe it can never be false because he is oba of benin

Do you even wonder why the Oduduwa myth always doesn't match....


If you would drop your pride and decide to read benin history thoroughly without allowing people tell you what to believe in
. You wont be talking trash

Better still visit my profile and read.....

Remember anyone even your king would fool you if need be


If you not scared of the truth which youre start reading from my profile threads from there you can start your personal thread

Thats how normal people begin, when you see a new knowledge you dont fight it verbally but
Ideas

IDENNAA:
LMAO....when we showed you your true father you thought we were fooling around. Now your papa don come out come show us who truly fathered you. Bini people are sub tribe of Yoruba nation. You have absolutely nothing in common with any Igbo speaking group. Just because you bordered Anioma and a minute migration from Bini went eastward, culture diffused all of a sudden you want to claim a proper Igbo speaking group just because of Bini elements in Anioma who are very vocal and loud. Nobi your Omonoba dey wan celebrate Igue Oduduwa like so ?

Mechunu
Juliusmalema

Fezz:
What was Oduduwas title when he was king of ile-ife ? Because it was not Ooni.

Like Oduduwa even existed TAO11 go finsh yiu nor b u won argue myth

Wait until she used egharevba narrative to finsh you

TAO11:
Hmmmm! I never saw that angle. Thank you.

In Summary:
(1) They lied that Ekaladerhan is Oduduwa

(2) Their history admit that Ekalderhan founded Ughoton.

(3) Yet their Oduduwa festival has nothing to do with Ughoton.

[Careless Laughter]

Lies are like path-works, the seams always show.

. You won kill the fezz guy....

He doesn't even know anything beyond the internet myth Mtcheew