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TAO11:
I am waiting gregyboy.

Swear, and let’s move on to the second stage.

The Igbos are watching. Haha

TAO11:
Yes it is a Yoruba throne 150%. I swear with my unborn kids.
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Having said that,

(1) Are you saying that Ogun is originally a Benin deity??

(2) Are you saying that Oba of Benin is originally a Benin monarchy??

Swear that Ogun should pieces the flesh of your body in a fatal accident if any of these is a lie.

panzienza, ariesbull, MelesZenawi

MelesZenawi:
Of course the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man...full fledged Yoruba man.

Sometimes I don't understand what these Bini guys are arguing.

TAO11:
Crap!

Show me a dictionary of Bini that says Ogun is a Bini deity. Or any text that says so.

You have already seen a Yoruba text of over 100 years old that proves Ogun is a Yoruba word — and a Yoruba god

Ondos a Yoruba. Their monarchy is Yoruba.

Also, I didn’t ask you about the meaning of YARADUA. I have no business with YARADUA — he is dead.


#BinisAreThieves

TAO11:
Anywyas, the text which I already provided is more than hundred years old.

And it identifies Ogun as a Yoruba deity in a Yoruba dictionary.
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And you haven’t even provided anything to back up your lie. Thief.



#BinisAreThieves

Cc: pazienza, ariesbull

MelesZenawi:
Of course the Oba of Benin is a Yoruba man...full fledged Yoruba man.

Sometimes I don't understand what these Bini guys are arguing.

TAO11:
Anywyas, the text which I already provided is more than hundred years old.

And it identifies Ogun as a Yoruba deity in a Yoruba dictionary.
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And you haven’t even provided anything to back up your lie. Thief.



#BinisAreThieves

Cc: pazienza, ariesbull

TAO11:
Let’s see a 5 years text that says Ogun is a Benin deity.

You lied you have to prove your lie.

Stop asking me to help you.
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In case you struggle with English language, here it is again:

IF you provide a 5 years old text; I will counter it with a 50 years old text.

IF you provide a 10 years old text; I will counter it with a 100 years old text

Etc.

TAO11:
Okay! Great to see that you’ve admitted your lies for being silent on them this time around.
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Now to your new jokes.

Iron is not Agbede.

Iron is not Ogun.

Iron is Irin.

Ogun is Yoruba god of Iron.

Show me any text that says Ogun is a Benin god.

Whatever you bring, I will provide a text of over 50 years older.

Cc: Samuk, etinosa, Valirex, Areafada2, nocomment2, ariesbull, pazienza.

TAO11:
Yorubas have them the name, and they accepted it. Are Yorubas their daddies ??

Well, their title is not a Bini title, unfortunately. Agbede is a Yoruba word as any Yoruba dictionary will show.

Show me the dictionary of Hausa/Fulani that says that.

I showed a dictionary in my case for the meaning of Agbede as a Yoruba name.

Cc: ariesbull, pazienza

TAO11:
To buttress your point see attached. (Second attachment is a 168 years old Yoruba dictionary).

Cc: ariesbull

samuk:
These Biafra fanatics just write anything to rubbish Benin for the past brutalities they think their people suffered from imperial Benin.

They hardly support any of their positions with historical references, debating or arguing with them is just for fun, they can't be taken seriously.

They and their Yoruba allies who are on the same vendetta mission against Benin history can't provide any evidence to back up their Benin Oduduwa relationship beyond/earlier than 1800s

They can't point to any specific Yoruba monarch that was addressed as Oba before 1824 when the Yoruba was first visited by the Europeans.

Yoruba used the title Oba in general terms until the 1900s when they begin to attached it to their various traditional titles such as the Ooni, Awujale, Alaafin, etc. Whilst we are on the subject, the Igbos and Yorubas should please provide us evidence when the Alaafin and Ooni were first specifically addressed as Oba or when the title Oba specifically appeared alongside their traditional titles.

It's a waste of time debating with those who have an agenda of vendetta, their minds are already made up to believe whatever they want to believe, evidence or not.

TAO11:
To buttress your point see attached. (Second attachment is a 168 years old Yoruba dictionary).

Cc: ariesbull

pazienza:
Oba doesn't mean King in Edoid languages. Its a copied word.
The man with Oba title in Etasko copied as well.
Why is it too hard for Africans to admit the truth?

pazienza:
Tell what other Edoid group apart from Bini where Oba is used as word for King?

Tell me just one.

I don't fancy Yorubas as I think both of you are trouble makers. But the truth must be said without Bias.

No body that is neutral would not admit that Oba is a Yoruba word.
It is used among all Yoruba groups as a word for king, and not just title of kings.
From Ilaje to Ilorin. Oba remains King in Yoruba speaking realm. The Oba can take any title he wants, but Oba remains the title for king in Yoruba speaking realm.

But in Edo speaking realm. Only Benin whose monarchy is of Yoruba origin use Oba. The Afemai, Akokos, Isoko, Urhobo, etc. Oba has no meaning.
They all use cognates of Edoid word for King, ie Ojie for Esan, Ogie for Bini, and Ovie for Isoko and Urhobo. The Ovies in Urhobo land go by different titles, but they are all called Ovies.

Even in Edoid speaking parts of Ondo, like Ipe, Epinmi, etc. The word for King remains Ogie in their local language, while in keeping to their need to attach to Yorubas, they give their Kings the title of Oba.

ariesbull:
Bennin royal stool is from Yoruba and that is why they loaned the yoruba title of Oba

Also they worship yoruba gods like Ayilara and Sango

pazienza:
Ancient Bini was a cosmopolitan society with delicate balance of power. The monarchy was of Yoruba origin and it was indeed said that in time past, Yoruba was the language of Bini royal Court.
The Yoruba rulers were not interested in promoting the Edoid language of the subdued Edoid aboriginals, so every one maintained their own language.
It is only recently that the Anti Yoruba sentiment in Bini is at a crescendo with the Yoruba Obas trying to run away from their Yoruba ancestry like the German ruling royal family of England are trying to run away from their German ancestry post WW1 and WW2, that Bini language promotion throughout the kingdom started. And in deed, Bini people have been squeezing the Igbanke and Olodiama people so hard to drop their Igboid and Izon language and names recently. Likewise Usen people who give their people Yoruba names and speak Yoruba are frowned upon by Bini palace.

Bottomline was that Bini empire had a delicate balance of power between the multiethnic entities there, the Edoid aboriginals were never in position to force their language on others, this is why the likes of Ezechima retained their Igbo language and name and why Igbanke still does same today.

pazienza:
There is no Edo blood in Ezechima. No Edo blood goes by Igbo names.
Unless you are saying Edos were Igbo speaking years ago.

Ofunwa111:
Can i see the 1930 article of zik,


If it contradict with he said later, then we will have to go with the earliest record














PS: Why do you people keep on bringing up Zik's autobiography written in the 1970s, but when I bring up a historical essay that the same Zik wrote earlier in the 1930s which appears to contradict what he wrote in the '70s, you people keep mute or ignore. I thought you were a great proponent of the theory that earlier documents are always more authentic than later ones?

pazienza:
Nothing more than fantasy tales mothers tell children.
Like the stories of tortoise and the birds.

A rational person should know better than to take them literally.

No Bini man is ever named Ezechima, not now, not centuries ago.

Just as common sense should tell you that the tortoise never gave the mother vegetables to cook for it and then killed her when the cooked vegetables she served him was too Small relative to the raw vegetables he gave her to prepare. So should common sense tell you that a Bini man cannot be named Ezechima, irrespective of the fact that our mothers told us those stories in the kitchen.
Those were mere fairy tells. We call it "akuko mbekwu", in Igbo language. Mothers usually tell them to hungry children while they wait for food to get done in the kitchen.

Onitsha people on crossing the river Niger had to settle with Obosi Idemili people. And they were Igbo speaking and never Bini speaking. It was until Obosi had a fall out with Onitsha people that they were driven out of Obosi, and they went to their present location, where they met Ozeh people (An Igbo speaking clan), won them in war and drove them inner land to possesses where you call Onitsha today.

Ndi Idemili met Umuezechima as Igbo speaking people. Never were they Bini speakers. This is history as we know it, which Onitsha monarchy having broken free of "Bini fever" are now affirming today.

LaEvilIMiss:
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Obalufon:
Battle field ,Recruit in battle field are you kidding me ,Do you even have a field in Benin ? your people were smoked with TNT and rained on with hot sulphur and brimstone.. wages of your sins ..God purposely sent the British to lay waste to your demonic land

Obalufon:
You people are sick and dillusional No british soldier die on the expendition slowpoke ,,you were smoked out within a day ,,Bitish sent only 1200 soldiers to annihilate your shit hole of a kingdom,.Kingdom of Ape i bet you've watched the movie numbskull

Ideadoctor:
you rag! how dare you opine! common get lost before Tao11 come for you, after all you are her rag ....kikikikiki

Etinosa1234:
Rather ur claims have been brought down here

https://www.nairaland.com/6365528/lagos-belongs-benin-obanikoros-grandson/33#98259989

And here

https://www.nairaland.com/6365528/lagos-belongs-benin-obanikoros-grandson/29#98182516

U avoided most points in the second link tho

Obalufon:
Millions of British soldiers killed before capturing your King are you kidding me "Crack head" one thousand Soldiers of British Royal army laid waste to entire Benin kingdom without any casualty of their part..Oba was smoked out of his hiding hole like bush rat ,caged ,chained and exported to calabar

Etinosa1234:
With this explanation u have given here, is it not hypocrisy for u to assume that the word "Korame" as written by the French author was not the European spelling for Eko-amen?

Continue Reading Sha



Good to see u are learning hard against ur will... This means u are understanding ...

Well continue to read below to get a devastating refutation of ur remaining points



Irrespective of whether Ichoo is older or not, it was used rather to refer to Lagos and was most likely gotten from the Benin due to their Close association to the Benin more than the Ijebu


I see that u are already losing ground in this argument... Originally, in ur earlier post, u said

[sup}Formerly it was known as Eko, which name it had received before any settlements were made on the island.”[/sup]

https://www.nairaland.com/6365528/lagos-belongs-benin-obanikoros-grandson/19#98139439

Now u deliberately made changes to the quotation.... That's a clear sign of fear ..

Instead of working with this ur later quotation, I'll rather break down the earlier one because u are a strong proponent of the earlier the better ...

Now according to ur earlier qoutations, u believe that the land was named Eko by people who had not yet make any form of settlement on the land...

U are a big comedian guy ...

Now, if there was no form of settlement on that land, how did they get to name the land before they decided to settle on the land...... It also implies they never saw the land sef

This once again cast doubts on the debunked Alan Burns folktales


Rather, how about a complete breakdown of the word Eko from Benin...

The Eko in Benin can be derived from when Benin conquered Lagos in late 16th century and made it a base from where they controlled trade in that area...

It was originally Eko-amen because of the waters that surrounded it and was corrupted by the Europeans to Korame and the Yorubas to Eko...


Now that's the truth

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U didn't use evidence rather u used ur language to make ur point while forgetting that the Benin had been present in Lagos and effected a lot of changes contrary to ur dead, weak and spineless Olofin regime and a suddenly new person who no one have heard except u...


Keep springing up lies

The fact remains, Eko was named by Benin



U are trying so hard to be cunning ... But lemme shock u, its not working ... Not on me tho......

Now... When D'Avesac made his comparison, there was no need for him to use the term older when referring to Dutch reports...

What he was actually comparing was the Portuguese and the Dutch term Not the Dutch and Ijebu word...

His use of the term older is to show that Curamo was older than all the terms there Esp the Dutch's own...

Its logical to know that the Dutch reports has been existing since before the 16th century ...way older before the term "Eko was first heard.....

In conclusion, The French author implied that the European terms were older than the African terms compared with...

The Dutch reports has always be existing before the term Eko was first heard...

The origin of the Dutch reports can be determined with proofs but not the Yorubas own which will at best be inflated by the arrogant Yorubas



Its safe to see that u are already making concessions in this argument... U have already dropped a point that korame was derived from curamo to this..


But I must say that this is an outright lie... A barefaced lie to say the least

You could have at least done ur research before telling this big lie... Maybe u thought u were conversing with ur fellow Yoruba zombies

Now..The term Curamo in Portuguese means cure...

The term "Lago de Curamo" means lakes of healing .....

Now the term Curamo which is said to derive from the Yoruba doesn't mean anything that aromire Eko means...

It is also older than the term Eko

U didn't even define the word to compare with Curamo which was supposedly borrowed from Yoruba.....

Even.if u did, it won't mean the same as it is in Portuguese
This brings us to the term "Loanword"

Loanword are words adopted from one language (the donor language) and incorporated into another language without translation. 

This meaning already implies that Loanword is borrowed without any changes to it... It might be corrupted due to pronouciation but it's meaning doesn't change...

I have given previous examples of borrowed words... Refer to it for ur understanding

In Conclusion:
1)The term Curamo is a Portugese word
2) Curamo was not derived from any Yoruba word


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christistruth01:
The Oyos ( Ibadan are ethnic Oyo) did everything they Could to take over the Egba and Ijebu Coast of Lagos but God Almighty in his Wisdom never gave it to them so they had to Content themselves with Badagry and Porto Novo which they had taken from Dahomians.

christistruth01:






In the Ota War of 1842 the Egba of Abeokuta won all the Land between Abeokuta and the Lagos Coast by Conquest.

The Only place the Egba didn't take was the Lagos Island and even that is Awori Yoruba.

forgiveness:
And he had children?

Who led the first Benin military expansion into Yorubaland?

Where was the place?