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AreaFada2:
When the British took over Lagos in 1861, forcing Eleko Dosunmu to sign the protectorate treaty, the documents bears DOCEMO. Only brain amputees like the sufferstacated cross dresser and goons won't know they meant to write Dosunmu.

Samuk
Etinosa1234
Etrusen
Sarah
Gregyboy
Nocomment1
Valirex
Edeyoung
Bornrich

TimeManager:
Hol up!!!... Your Eko is no longer "a war camp" but "a water camp" all of a sudden?. Y'all need mental evaluation.

kiss the truth!

RedboneSmith:
If you meet a well-educated Hausa man speaking English, you'll understand why many people here said Hausa.

Tobrasky:
Just for the record, that individual MelesZenawi is the same person as Juliusmalema and he isn't Igbo(he has been exposed and called out for his bullshit on many Igbo threads already) ... as a matter of fact nobody knows where the troll comes from, so we can just deduce he's probably not even Nigerian.

nocomment2:
It might be the same as the one I posted already and which made it clear that lagos belongs to Benin. Or perharps it is an other book. I was reading it 6 months ago and it would take me time to locate the book and get to the exact page.

Praxis758:
Who and when was the excavation done? Such never happen.

You're being misled by your emotional, paid, sentimental, unresearched and distanced history writers.

The site still remaina in Ife till today and there's nothing you can do about it.

nocomment2:
I have a precolonial text which states very clearly that the Oba of Benin was buried upon demise around in or near his palace.

Praxis758:
It's in your dream that Oba of Benin responded in this manner. I'm sure you weren't born then.

Don't be pained, Oba of Benin gladly and historically accepted the Ooni's statement.

I'm sure you can't deny the truth that the earlier Obas of Benin had their burial tombs in Ile-Ife. The site is called 'Orun Oba Ado' till today.

You guys (Benins) are Ife descendants, that's why your late Obas' head were being taken to Ife for interment because we Yorubas belief that a Prince's head shouldn't sleep outside.

Hassanmaye:
What do you mean toto is overrated?

nocomment2:
to everybody, i believe meleszenawi is a yoruba. I stumbled upon one of his comments which seemed to paint him as a yoruba fantic and igbo hater.
I stand to be corrected, but I think he is one of those imposters claiming an other man's tribe.

MelesZenawi:
Everyone knows okoro as an Igbo name. Bini is too tiny to even have such influence let alone known name.

To every Nigerian Okoro is an Igbo name..case closed.

Ideadoctor:
back to be beaten blue black, dumb gregyboy

Christistruth00:
It already Proved Ijebu took over metropolitan Lagos

They are still there in Eastern Lagos today!!!!!

Etinosa1234:
See translation of the French text

Captain Horseley called it eco, and that is how the yebous refer to it; but it is not their land: it belongs to Benin, whom have named it Korame, you can recognise the Curamo from older Portuguese reports, just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs.

But some one wants to tell us that korame was borrowed but Eco was not

Unclekayfarms:
My brother find somewhere go sit down Jo. We're talking of Oranmiyan as the first Oba of Benin, you're mentioning his great grandfather.

There was nothing like Benin before Oranmiyan enter Igodomigodo town.
I'm half Yoruba by the way

AreaFada2:
The two common names for camp in Benin are Eko and later Ago. Ago became more popular for temporary civilian or farming settlements later. Though both were used militarily before too.

Benin is a very dynamic language. Words gain preference over others over time.

I like to watch Urhobo and Isoko films for example. There I hear words with clear Benin roots. Some were words still popular with old folks decade ago, all now late. In 25 years many people will believe that "kokodia" is purely only Urhobo word for coconut.

Okoro is pure Benin name for princes. Crown prince before investiture as EDAIKEN is called Okoro nokhua (Grand/Great Prince). Today Okoro is Urhobo name for "gentleman'.

Some only know Okoro as an Igbo name.

TAO11:
You said I should reply, and yet you cried when I did.

Is everything okay with you?

TAO11:
(1) Ulsheimer’s report as cited above states clearly that this settlement of the Bini immigrants was confined to only one island.

In other words, these Bini immigrants settled NOT on all the islands in Lagos, neither did they settle on the mainland.


(2) Ulsheimer’s report (as cited above) states clearly that this settlement of the Bini immigrants (which is on the island) was a frontier settlement.

In other words, this Bini settlement lies on the border of (at least) two other settlements on that island.

(3) Ulsheimer’s report as cited above names this settlement of the Bini immigrants as ”Lago”.

In other words, “Lago” was just one settlement (wherein the Bini immigrants lived) among others’ settlements on that island.

(4) Ulsheimer’s report shows that as at the year 1603 when he (Ulsheirmer) visited the island, he already met the Bini immigrants already living on the island — within a fairly large fenced settlement.

In other words, Ulsheimer was not an eyewitness to how the Bini immigrants first penetrated into Lagos from Benin.

In other words, he has no information (eyewitness or even otherwise) regarding whether the Binis penetrated into the island (from Benin) by warfare or whether they acquired the settlement from the native people by means of some peace negotiation.

(5) Regardless of how they originally acquired their settlement (by conquest or peaceful negotiation with natives) it was at the time of Ulsheimer’s visit the exclusive property of the Binis.

(6) The only writings which came to make the first statements on the manner of acquisition of their settlement are writings from the year 1878, 1914, 1929, and 1952.

(7) The 1878, 1914, and 1929 writings are known by historians as the Lagos account — and they all agree that the Binis acquired their settlement on the Island by means of a peaceful negotiation with the native owners, the Aworis. (See attached for an excerpt from the 1929 recollection of the Lagos account)

(8 ) It wasn’t until the year 1952 (decades after the Lagos account have been published by British colonial authorities) that a Benin Chief by the name J. U. Egharevba came up with his reactive account that the Binis acquired the Lagos settlement by warfare.

(9) It is clear who was narrating an account unconditionally, and who woke up decades later (without any prior writing or evidence) to react that it wasn’t so.

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Meekymannia:
Why are you just realizing that now?! Simply because lagos is now getting better by atmosphere...you re
all insane. You better stop taking whats not good for your health and brain.

Etinosa1234:
Even the paper that Christistruth00 was carrying up and down to deceive people states that the Korame/Eco belongs to Benin clearly... Thanks to nocomment2 that translated it, I won't have known

Meekymannia:
After taking too much marihuana, chelsea and some other gins...why wouldnt you be saying jargons?! In that case, you should have called the edo people and your family members to come occupy lagos then. What is point of campaigning?! Rubbish

Etinosa1234:
They would soon say ekosodin is Yoruba land...

It's only a matter of time

Etinosa1234:
According to the French translation, it says that the Benin call it Korame....

Its not expected that the foreigner be able to write our word very well...

The korame doesn't have a meaning in Benin word and we don't Start words with the letter "k" and when pronouncing Ekorame, the "e" would be silent (Etrusen, hope I'm correct in this) esp if foreigners pronounce it. .

Now given the fact that Benin had more influence in Lagos(Eko)than ijebu, it's more logical that the Word Ekorame (camp of waters) given by the Benin was shortened by the Ijebus to eko... Thus Benin are the originator of the name Eko

Samuk, areafada2, BornRicch

TAO11:
Go find it with your brother whose presents the facts.

Etinosa1234:
I'm quite busy now... I might soon log out sef

TAO11:
Benin liars are back in town.

Ekoname, Koname Tsunami, etc. LMAO! LIARS!

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No, the book which you all are referring to says something different.

(1) It says the name “Eko” was coined by the Ijebus based on the Dutchs’ “Ichoo” — it didn’t say from Binis.

(2) The same book said the Binis called it KoRame based on the old Portuguese’s CuRamo.

(3) The book said nothing about where the Portuguese originally got CuRamo from.

(4) But it does make it clear that the Binis got KoRame from the Portuguese CuRamo.

(5) The book doesn’t say the Portuguese got CuRamo from the Binis. No, it’s the other way round.

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Every Yoruba person know the the oriki of Lagos.

EkoaRomi sa legbe, legbe.

The source of the Portuguese’s “CuRamo” is apparent without any fraudulent replacement of ”N” and “R”.

You liars should stop tripping I’m still around.

In sum, both “Eko” is is an Ijebu PSM of Dutch “Ichoo” and Yoruba “Ereko”.

While the Portuguese’s ”Curomo” have its roots Lagos’ Yoruba oriki — “EkoaRomi”.


These are loanwords into the Benin lexicon, and not the other way round. Thieves!

#BinisAreThieves

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Etinosa1234:
^{Forty miles from Benin lies a large town called Lago [Lagos], which also belongs to the King of Benin. It lies on an island and is a frontier town, surrounded by a strong fence. In it live none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner. Every day they come together in the king's house and make a sacrifice every morning. After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king. Also, two envoys always stand with the judge and listen to what is done. Every day these two send news off to the king, informing him of what the judges have done that day. They do this throughout the whole year. This is practiced not only in Lago, but also in other towns of the king, as well as in Benin itself. Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns." -}
Andreas ulsheimer's voyage of 1603-4, translation by Adam Jones in German Sources for West African History, 1599-1669 (1983), pp. 40-41

In this account the eyewitness states that the large town(Lagos) belongs to Benin and was surrounded by a fence...

Then he states that the people who inhabit the frontier town are soldiers and 4 commanders...(Military presence)
.
It can be said that this was the mode of rulership before ashipa was made king

AreaFada2:
When I was a kid my old folks called Lagos : Eko, Ekoname, Ekoame, Ekonunuame. We understood all to mean camp.

Camp, watercamp, camp by the waters, camp by the mouth of water, actually meaning vast water body/sea.
It was never in doubt that these were original Benin ways of calling Lagos.
Etrusen
Samuk
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Nocomment2
Etinosa123456
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AreaFada2:
When I was a kid my old folks called Lagos : Eko, Ekoname, Ekoame, Ekonunuame. We understood all to mean camp.

Camp, watercamp, camp by the waters, camp by the mouth of water, actually meaning vast water body/sea.
It was never in doubt that these were original Benin ways of calling Lagos.
Etrusen
Samuk
Davidnazee
SarahA
Gregyboy
Nocomment2
Etinosa123456

Christistruth00:
Ota War of 1842 was a major Yoruba War!!!

Basorun Oluyole and the Ibadan Army were camped at Agege fighting on the side of the Awori against the Egba

The Egbas won and took all the Land between Abeokuta and Ebutte Meta on the Coast of Lagos

The Ibadan Army had to smuggle themselves back home

Look at this boy!

If you want to tell lies restrict it to Isale Eko on Lagos Island!

Etinosa1234:
Tao knows she's lieing when she said the Awori allocated land to Benin people...

To prove this, according to the 1603 account that clearly says that Benin was in military control over Lagos, there was no other known ruler (recorded by either Josua Ulsheimer who was present then or any other historical accounts ) apart from the Oba of Benin as at when Benin had military presence in Lagos

It took 70+ years before the Oba of Benin decided to rule indirectly with the selection of ashipa while collecting tributes and having power over the Lagos dynasty

Now Even if they had allocated land prior to 1603, It can be seen from the eyewitness that Lagos was already conquered

I'm busy with a project. When I'm through, I'll expound further Esp with kosoko/Beecroft issue
Snippet:
Kosoko told English reps that any foreign matters concerning the status of Lagos can be decided by the Oba of Benin and not him... This can be likened to a case when a governor tells a foreigner that he doesn't handle foreign affairs except the president

References:Onabamiro, Sanya. Glimpses Into Nigerian History: Historical Essays . Macmillan Nigeria, 1983. p. 43

BornRicch

Trinitykey:
Yoruba history is well preserved and enshrined in monuments and religion..