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Ideadoctor:
so will you tell us history?

Christistruth00:
This morning you guys said that all Metropolitan Lagos which belonged to the Egbas and Ijebu Politically and Militarily was paying tribute to the Oba of Benin .


What did you say Agege and Isheri that were Egba Territories meant in Edo again?

Some of your lies

Ofemannnu:
You defend and attack like a real Yoruba warrior and Yorubas have a lot of warriors I must say.
One of them was Ogedengbe that the Oba of Benin always trembled when he heard his footsteps... he always appeased Ogedengbe with different gifts.

TAO11:
I noticed you just deactivated this account too because the going got rough for you. I expected that though.

However, hold this in the meantime while I make time to get back to your criminal brother, Etinosa aka ayoola27.


You’ve just proven yourself again to be nothing but a bald-headed, janus-faced, fatuous liar!

No where does the above 1948 video documentary say that the Ooni of Ife is not a king but a priest. Neither was he introduced as priest.

Rather, the video states at timestamp 0:14 and I quote here below:

“The Ooni of Ife, spiritual leader of over three million Nigerian tribesmen, was one of the important arrivals”.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=989866004541431

And that is accurate because all Yoruba kings (that is, including the Benin monarch) are considered in, Yoruba religious belief, to be demi-deities — ikeji-õṣà.

Since the Ooni of Ife is the leader of all the monarchs of Yorubaland, this fact thus rightfully makes him the spiritual leader of all Yorubas (and Binis).

Notice that this 1948 meeting which held in Lancaster house and entitled “The African Conference in London” had the Ooni of Ife representing Nigeria in his capacity as leader of the south-west ‘tribes’ — which included the Binis among others.

This leader of the then south-west ‘tribes’ was not deemed to be the Alaafin Oyo, nor was it deemed to be the Omonoba n’Edo, but rather the Ooni Ife.

Note that he wasn’t yet honored as a British knight at the time. Neither was he yet a Governor at the time. He simply represented Nigeria in his capacity as a tribe leader — a tribe which included the Binis.


In addition to the above 1948 documentary, the attached pages below are from a 1903 publication entitled “Native Crowns”.

These attached pages from the paper shows the published summary of a proceeding in which the Ooni of Ife was clearly and rightfully identified as the leading monarch for all of Yorubaland.

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~ The Editor, “Native Crowns,” Journal of the Royal African Society, April 1903, Vol. 2, No. 7, Oxford University Press.

I am pleased to always rubbish you all over Nairaland.

Cheers!

Etinosa1234:
Continued




Samuk valirex gregyboy Etrusen edeyoung Areafada2 ...

Are u guys seeing the clear double standards that Tao11 just displayed with utmost temerity

According to Tao, the word "Korame" was wholly derived from Portugal to Benin but the word "Eko" was derived from the fusion of the Dutch word "Ichoo" and a Yoruba word "Ereko".....

Tao is so desperate that she wants to put her tribe on the same level with the Europeans...

First of all, Tao, for this ur assertion, u'll have to give valid proofs that the words were merged. Do not spill rubbish and call it wise.

The merger of Ichoo and Ereko can never give u Eko... Merged or fused words increase not decrease

Now to the main point,... To further explain ur double standards and ignorance...
An excerpt from the text
"the name Korame [which is] recognizably the
Curamo of the older Portuguese’s accounts just like Eko represents the Ichoo from Holland Hydrographs"

The important keyword there is the phrase "Just like"...

That phrase("Just Like" means similar to, reminiscent of, resembling,akin to, identical to, in the vein of, the same as, approximating to,much like, not unlike, same as, bordering etc...

Example of this phrase used in sentences is "He is just like his father"... This means he is similar or same as his father...

Now in this context,... The author says that Korame is recognised in older Portuguese reports as Curamo which is similar to Eko which is called Ichoo in Dutch reports....

For ur brain to transmit this easily, it means Curamo and Ichoo is used to refer to the same place that the Benin and Ijebu call Korame and Eco respectively...

So u can NEVER make such weak claim that Benin derived their word from Portuguese while the Ijebu coined their own word.....

This is BECAUSE the author showed a similarity with the way the land Lagos was referred to by European nations... We are gonna hire a primary 5 teacher to explain for u if u still don't understand this simple text

According to ur text, how did the land receive a name before being inhabited ... Y'all have always been drunk

So therefore, the Portuguese used Curamo to refer to Lagos just as or just like the Dutch used Ichoo to do likewise... While Benin derived theirs from two words -- Eko-Amen-- , the Ijebu obviously shortened the words to suit their pronunciation...

In simpler terms what do both nations call Lagos
Portugal - Curamo
Dutch - Ichoo

The early arrival of Benin explains this better

Now that I've educated u like a child that u are, let's move to the next

Wrong, the earliest accounts on Lagos is the Ulsheimer account...

When Ulsheimer was present in 1603, he noted that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin...

More to be explained below

Also There are no proofs that Benin negotiated land with the Awori ... Only oral accounts which are not true and contradicts the earliest report

And has been shown many time,the Lagos account was obviously a lie...

Where oral history contradicts eyewitness accounts, oral history must give way


See below for more explanation




This is a clear lie and u know it

The earliest availabile evidence ie Ulsheimer doesn't talk abt any other ruler in the land of Lagos apart from the Oba of Benin.. Infact ur account doesn't date any ruler present in Lagos as at 1603.
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As said earlier, from 1603 - 1682 to when ashipa became king, there is no recorded ruler present in the large land of lago.. this proves that according to the Ulsheimer, Lagos was ruled by 4 military commanders


Wrong... The account by Ulsheimer stated that Lagos was a land controlled by military generals...

Now.. if military generals controlled Lagos, from where did the nonsense independent monarchy claim from iddo come from?

Instead, there was no dependency on iddo island except from the oral stories of some lagosians who contradicts eyewitness accounts...

The large town as noted by Ulsheimer was clearly stated to be owned by the Oba of Benin.. and it was used to control trade in that area..

Also Ulsheimer also never stated that Lagos had any form of dependency on any other place apart from Benin ..

Besides, another Lagos account states that the ashipa did whatever he did so that he could obtain favour from the Oba to be made king... When power was given to him, he paid tributes to the Oba of Benin while the Oba had the undisputed right to choose who the next king of Lagos (as noted in the letter from Akitoye to the Queen) would be for more than 200 years


Wrong... According to Egharevba, who according to u, got his sources independently from palace officials, Lagos was conquered by Benin and was used as a base to control trade in that area... This is very evident in the last line of the excerpt below

"Forty miles from Benin lies a large town called Lago [Lagos], which also belongs to the King of Benin. It lies on an island and is a frontier town, surrounded by a strong fence. In it live none but soldiers and four military commanders, who behave in a very stately manner. Every day they come together in the king's house and make a sacrifice every morning. After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king. Also, two envoys always stand with the judge and listen to what is done. Every day these two send news off to the king, informing him of what the judges have done that day. They do this throughout the whole year. This is practiced not only in Lago, but also in other towns of the king, as well as in Benin itself. Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns." -

First of all let us evaluate this part of Ulsheimer excerpt...

1) Ulsheimer clearly stated that the land Lago belongs to the Oba of Benin and was a large town...
2)Then he noted the presence of soldiers and four commanders ... This explains military presence ... It further shows that Benin had already conquered the land prior to his arrival .. In the past, high foreign military presence in a place signifies victory for the invading party... So the fenced environment explains that after defeating the aworis, that was their base wherein they controlled trade from there..
3) He also noted control over the other sides when he wrote this part

"After the sacrifice, they hold court in the open air, in front of the king's house. Whoever has anything to complain about makes his complaint. They all fall on their knees when they present their case, and when one man is given a verdict in his favour, he thanks the authorities and the king."

This is the judiciary part of government already established in Lago already

This is to say that other people come to the Oba of Benin for settlement of their conflicts.... This already establishes the fact that Benin was already in direct control of the area and its surroundings already.....
4) Another thing to show Benin direct control over Lagos is the fact that it took 80+ years before they decided to set up an indirect form of government in Lago with the appointment of ashipa... During that period, the land called Lagos and not iddo, was ruled directly with 4 commanders and soldiers
5) Lastly , This Ulsheimer account coincides with Egharevba account 300 years later ... Egharevba wrote that the land was conquered to control trade over that area... Now in the last part of the Ulsheimer account, he said

"Many people come to the aforesaid town Lago, by water and by land, with their wares, which consist of beautiful cotton cloths woven in all kinds of colours and patterns."

This further explains how the Benin controlled trade Esp as most trade activities was done in the land they conquered called "Lago".....

According to him, people came to Lago which was already conquered by Benin to trade...

This supports the claim that Egharevba made

The fact that Ulsheimer saw and wrote abt the presence of military generals and an army connotes that Lago was under military control .

He never stated that the soldiers were trading there


Lastly the fact that they were addressed as soldiers already connotes that they were battle ready... One major military code everywhere is that they should always be prepared Esp when on foreign land.. this is common sense na

Soldiers are built for war and not trade, hence Ulsheimer never recorded that the soldiers engage in trading



So why should I believe that a pained Yoruba account when there is an eyewitness account that contradicts it

Conclusion: The Benin militarily controlled Lagos or Lago as referred by Ulsheimer the only eyewitness account then and had overall influence over the land till the 1850s when kosoko was dethroned...

Any contradiction must be proven with an eyewitness account and not folktales from 200 years after

forgiveness:
Stop fooling yourself.

TimeManager:
How many nights and days did your forefathers spend in the bushes on their way to Lagos 6months, 9months or 1yr?
your forefathers arrived Lagos, Lagos sweet their belle after mosquitoes don bite their scrotum inside bushes

kiss the truth!

TimeManager:
From Ekoname to Ekonihamen All in a bid to sound Eko ish
I've told you to stay one place so that thunder will be able to locate you. Liars attract thunder.

kiss the truth!

jneutron4000:
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Westtimeline:
Go to your palace, your oba has the answer for you.

Christistruth00:
Gen Ogendegbe and Ekitiparapo Army entered into Benin to take it.

It was the desperate pleading and appeasement of Ogendegbe by the Oba of Benin that stopped Ogendegbe and the Ekitiparapo Army from taking over Benin.

But Ogendegbe still took many places in Edoland.

That is why till today Edos still bear the Surname Ogendegbe.

Westtimeline:
Why the British no push yorubas, Igbos and Hausa Fulani into one confine space Hahahahahahahaha

forgiveness:
What is Ekonihamen?

forgiveness:
Benin was a tiny kingdom as at the time British conquered Benin.

Westtimeline:
Myth ko, myto ni

Westtimeline:
That is why we pushed you into only tiny Edo Hahahahaha

Ofemannnu:
The only thing that is obvious here is that Lagos belongs to the Awori....Yorubas from Ife....but Benin came along and occupied the Island,becoming the ruler but not owning the land,reason they could not sell any land.
Later,the real owners, who are Yorubas,eventually took over their God given space which is Lagos.


And the Yorubas live happily ever after..

But some people continue to wail sadly ever after..

forgiveness:
Woah! I never knew Ijebus name it Eko. Revelation. Please, keep it coming.

Westtimeline:
See this one that doesn't know the first king of Benin is Eweka, the son of oranmiyan

Westtimeline:
See this one making himself happy.

Benin, the owner of the universe Hahaha

Ofemannnu:
Translating the French book,Tao has defeated his opponents.
Okay,what does 'designent' mean in English Language?

nocomment3:
They live in an alternate reality.

Ofemannnu:
That is intellect. If you are a dunce and you don't know how to defend it,they will defeat you just like you are allowing Tao to defeat you in this debate..

Christistruth00:
What use is an Education that produces Pimps and Prostitution as the most popular Career Choice ?

Even the Poor man bears his Poverty with integrity.

Education that plunges People Futher into darkness and Slavery is useless

Ofemannnu:
Have you ever seen an Edo or Bini man sell land in Lagos before....as the owner of course?

Ideadoctor:
according to your proposition, Benin borrowed some names from their Yoruba neighbours and even intermarried with them, here is the fact,great culture impacts the weaker,it seems Yoruba culture has given the Edo culture an uppercut at that corner,because Edo had seen and experienced the great culture and beauty of the omoluabis,no man takes for himself a wife except the woman is great in beauty and in character, but the last time I checked, you gregyboy, insulted the beauty of Yoruba women and insulted their pride,deduction two from your preposition, some Bini families migrated back to Bini with their Yoruba partners,here is the fact,those Yoruba carries their gene with them and transfer it to their offspring, never minding whether, the father or the mother is Yoruba, the offspring carries the blood of oduduwa, which probably means you may be a probable carrier of these gene,but I am sure you are not,you are too dumb and crude, you are not worthy to be call the son of oduduwa, now the mixing of Yoruba and Edo culture is what the Op was trying to analyse before your tribal ego set in,but at least,thank God that you are learning how to accept things as they are now.

Christistruth00:
We are Yorubas in Yorubaland

Is Lagos Edoland ?

How many Yoruba's or Ife People are dragging ownership of Benin with Edos?

Westtimeline:
Albert Einstein, shut up and stop digressing. Answer the simple questions thrown at you instead of saving face

Can Benin indegen stand beside yorubas in education.

Westtimeline:
You are a mumu, so for your mind, you have answered me correctly when I laugh at your stupidity.

You mentioned wrong name.

Shame on you and your family, you claimed to be Benin but don't know the first oba of Benin. Fashy