forgiveness: It's not Benin's origin. Oba was already in used ever before Benin had a king.
Obantala was the ruler in Ife before Oduduwa dethroned him. That was ever before Benin had Oba.
Obanta was derived from Oba- wa-nita. Meaning our king is outside. That was as far back as 1430.
Obantala, those gods were formed after benin military expansion into Yoruba areas
Anyway the word oba got into yorubland during benin military expansion into territories
There is ancient parable in owo, which says just as olodumare commands respect in heaven the oba of benin commands respect on earth
This is to show the oba influence on yoruba areas, to be accorded the status of a god on earth, So imagine how the name oba would go all over yoruba towns, and they all begin using it to name their gods and even titles
The myth of obatala was certainly formed after the word oba had been brought from benin to the yoruba people through her military influence
Benin expansion on youruba areas started 1300Ad so that is old enough for the idol obatala to be formed
(1) First of all, it is very crucial that I make it super clear that the specific land mass of our discussion is actually an island.
This fact is made clear in the notes of the German traveler (Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer) who visited the area from the year 1603.
This German traveler, Andreas Joshua Ulsheimer, reports in his notes that a town “Lago” was situated “on an island”.
In present-times, this island have come to be known by the name Lagos island. This location can be identified in the zoomed-in map of Lagos embedded below:
(2) Secondly, the actual town which Ulsheimer referred to as “Lago” did NOT occupy the whole of that island. Also, it was NOT the only town on that island.
This fact is also made clear in the same notes of Ulsheimer. The two points below each clearly establish this fact.
(A) Ulsheimer notes state that this town “Lago” [which is “surrounded by a … fence”] is, in fact, “a frontier town”.
In other words, this fenced town (Lago) lies in-between (i.e. on the border separating) two other settlements.
(B) Ulsheimer notes state that many people come to this town (Lago) not only “by water” but also “by land”.
This proves that those who came to the town (Lago) specifically “by land” could not have possibly been able to do so except that they themselves live on that same island but in a different town.
In the light of these foregoing information (which all comes from Ulsheimer’s 1603-4 notes), it becomes clear that the town “Lago” was just one of the different towns on that island.
Given the obvious fact that there are at least two other towns on that island, your repeated depiction of “Lago” as the only town on that island is terribly erroneous.
A correct depiction (based on a careful consideration of Ulsheimer’s notes) is that the town “Lago” lies on that island alongside (and in-between) two other towns on that island.
An imagery of this correct depiction of Ulsheimer’s observation is represented with my highlights in the embedded map below. The red highlight shows the town “Lago”.
Having clarified that the town “Lago” did not occupy the length and breadth of that island (as there were other towns on the same island), the following should now be easier for you to grasp.
II - OWNERSHIP
(1) Ulsheimer’s notes of 1603-4, which has been repeatedly cited above, make the following statement about the ownership of this town “Lago” as at the time he visited:
“Forty miles from Benin lies a large town called Lago, which also belongs to the King of Benin.”
~ Andreas Ulsheimer’s “Voyage of 1603-4”.
A statement to the same effect as the foregoing one is also found in M. d’Avezac’s “Notice Sur Le Pays Et Le People Des Yébous En Afrique“, (Paris, 1485), p. 26.
(2) However, it is not specified whether the Binis owned “Lago” town by virtue of aboriginal right, or forceful take over, or conferment.
Each of these three possibilities will be examined in turns in the comments that follow. But just before that, it is crucial that I stress again that Ulsheimer’s notes prove that there are other towns (apart from the Binis’s Lago) on that same island.
(A) Regarding aboriginal ownership, different early European sources render the indigenous name of this island [and beyond] as “Ahoni” land, or “Awani” land, or “Ahouy” land, etc.
M. d’Avezac (1485:25-26), for instance, does cite some of these early European sources which variously render the indigenous name as such -- among other close renderings of the same word.
These European renderings of the indigenous name thus agree with the multiply attested traditional account which holds strongly that the Awori people are the aboriginal owners of this island [and beyond].
In Summary:
(i) Ulsheimer’s notes remain silent on the specific nature of the Binis’s ownership of town “Lago”.
(ii) Other early European notes (and the multiply attested traditional account) inform us that the island as a whole [and beyond] is aboriginally owned by the Aworis.
To be super clear, we do NOT have a situation of contradiction here – there are no contradictions in a situation of ‘Silence vs. Information’.
And the available information shows that the Binis’s ‘ownership’ of the town “Lago” was NOT by virtue of some aboriginal right.
TimeManager: Every of your oba that visited his ancestral home in Ife, had a tour to the Orun oba ado site. The bloodline of Eweka must always come back home.
TimeManager: I am less interested in their tiny konamen camp in Lagos, rather I am more interested in their successive Obas paying homage to their Ancestral home of Ife. Which means the Benin E-warriors are on Nairaland hitting their heads on the wall while their Obas takes a cultural turn to pay homage to their Ancestral home of Ife and kiss the feet of the Ooni.
kiss the truth!
Friendly visit you mean
First pics explains the benin ife myth to be a recent made up shit started after the creation of Nigeria
Second picture shows the site of orun oba ado, when it was excavated they found nothing
TAO11 is now more depressed and excessively obsessed with herself that she has failed, she is now watching from the background thinking what next, she herself is not satisfied with her comment either, her conscience is pricking her to stop the lies but her ego wouldn't want that
I expected her to go offline and make researches, but she busy reading comments in silent
If you like come back and make 3pages of writeup to support your lies just one line, from a benin comment would rubbish everything
One thing about lie is, the first statement is never complete so you will have to lie immediately to cover it up, you will notice your second statement get comma, you will have to patch it up with the third lie, that's how a full page of lies will be made
But truth occupies no space no need for rexplanation when you say it, it begins to follow with the rest information available, but the case of lie is entirely different
Who notice when toa11 wants to lie to seriously cover the truth she will write 10 pages just for a single thing
Her Yoruba brothers who didnt even read the whole writeup will be supporting her, because its against benin so anything goes even if it is rubbish
SW1st: Even your master, the so-called French teacher that was forming James Bond was made to deactivate his account and ran with a tail behind his two legs. So, who are you, a novice that can not even answer a simple question or put his thought together?
You must think I just got into this thread and post? The thread I had been following right from the beginning even before you got here?
You are like a stubborn kid who thinks and believes running around the thread and quoting his imaginary oral up and down gives him an upper hand when in fact he's just acting like a spoil brat without any form of home training or discipline.
Typical of edo boys tho.
Save yourself the time to educate yourself on the history you're currently on
Cool down your tribal ego, you dont need to defend here, simply walk out and accept the truth
Ooni of ife addressed as a chief priest One of the reasons Alafin was made the chairman of traditional council in former western region instead of ooni of ife
The British also went ahead in placing the ooni of ife as least important chief amongst various traditional rulers
ItooWorWor: Where is the so called truth you want us to believe I have been following this thread since yesterday and you still haven't prove anything, Tao did justice to every lies you brought forward.
And what is Oba in your Edo Lang
Stop asking foolish questions
The question you should be asking hi Is the benin-ife myth even real,
The answer is no, the myth was originated after after the creation of Nigeria, when the oba of benin politically aligned aligned edo as yorubas for political favors and accepted to be culturally included as yoruba by the Oduduwa ancestory, as needed to be politically aligned as Yoruba
The myth of benin coming from Oduduwa origin was born from such alignment
TAO11: False fraudulent reasons as expected. I guess his ancestors also came because of herdsmen.
The reason of herdsmen came up during his visit to the Office of the Osun State Governor.
Check out the video below for one of his reason why he visited the Ooni.
Ewuare simply came to Ife to do the same thing that his own ancestors came to do — culminating ascension rites.
Note that they always come to Ife soon after they had just been crowned king of Benin.
The Ooni’s visit to Benin, on the other hand, was not because he was just crowned king of Ife.
Rather he went to Benin, just like every Nigerian dignitary, to attend the coronation ceremony.
No Ooni of Ife visits Benin just after he had just become Ooni.
It only happens with the Benin kings. They must visit Ife just after they had ascended the Benin throne.
Wonderful!!
May be should you should proceed now to inform us of the reason why the then Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the early 1930s, by your Omonoba Akenzua II after he had just ascended the Benin throne.
After that, proceed to explain why the [same] Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the late 1970s, by your Omonoba Erediauwa alsoafter he had just ascended the Benin throne.
After that, proceed to explain why the present Ooni of Ife was visited in Ife, in the year 2016, by your present Omonoba Ewuare II alsoafter he had just ascended the Benin throne.
Since you now have no problem with the reports of Edo journalists, then you must have no problem with the reports of a Channels TV who hinted on some of the events that went down during Ewuare’s visit to the Ooni just after Ewuare’s coronation.
Check out the following Channels TV News report of the homage-visit of Omonoba Ewuare II.
Go to time-stamp 0:24 to 0:34, and you would find the following words:
“...his first port of call is the palace of the Ooni of Ife, Oba Adeyeye Ogunwusi — where he also paid homage to all Benin kings believed to have been buried there.”
Even the British know and fully understand where the Oba of Benin belongs
And the chief priest is in the front roll, the British know werr ehe Ooni truly belong at the chief priest sitting arrangement not that of kings
But not to stare tribal controversy he accept any sitting arrangement even if Nigeria government presents tinubu as a first class king he wont dispute it, after all, it is not his business
Christistruth00: In 1851 Egba Abeokuta and Ijebu were the Overlords of Lagos Mainland 100% and they paid Tribute to nobody.
It was the Egba Christian's through Bishop Ajayi Crowther who went to Bukingham Palace to request Queen Victoria of England take over Lagos Island in Order to end King Kosoko's Slave trade.
Isheri,, Agege,Ikeja Area ,Iganmu were all busy paying tribute to the Egbas at Abeokuta when the British turned up.
Was the Alaafin of Oyo sacked from his throne because of Fulani in Ilorin. NO!
Benin controlled the entire lagos and gave Autonomy to local chiefs the Benin population wasnt much to spread much of her cultural influence but her political influences wasnt undermine
Yebedervru: Leave the guy. That Oyo became the most powerful at a time because of wars doesn’t change the fact that ife is number one because even the first Alaafin of Oyo is oranmiyan, the son of okanbi, grandson of oduduwa
Ibadan which also became powerful at a point doesn’t change the fact that lagelu(ife man) also founded Ibadan
Oyo became powerful because of the empire but doesn’t change fact all yorubas migrated from ife whether directly or indirectly .
You should know typical Benidiots with low iq and comprehension problems
TAO11: Had you written your own English language WAEC examination by yourself and passed; then you should have realized that the article from which your above screenshot comes (The Heritage of Oduduwa, 1973), actually (rightfully) affirms the severally attested early received accounts of the Ooni-line’s legitimacy to the Ife throne (as well as its consequent paramountcy over other Yoruba monarchies); while debunking a latter-day paltry variant propagandist account (from Oyo particularly) which attempts to undermine these earlier and severally attested received accounts of the Ooni-line’s legitimacy to the Ife throne.
Having explained that to you, if you still remain clueless (which I do expect that you would) in addition to your initial cluelessness of the content of your own attachment; then the materials attached below are highly recommended for you as a starting point on English comprehension.
Christistruth00: Did you read where the Awori and their a!lies Oba Kosoko of Lagos and the Ibadan Army were so Calamitously defeated in the Ota War of 1842 by the Egbas that all the Land from Abeokuta to the Lagos Coast became Egbaland ?
What was the reason for the war,
Defeated and the oba of lagos wasnt sacked from his throne,
Even if am to accept this your skeptical defeat, one thing i know is before the war oba of lagos extented her political power over the egba and ijebu land
A dispute broke out which the oba of lagos failed to report to the oba of Benin for assistance and he was defeated in a tribal clash ,
Still doesn't remove the fact benin powers extended beyond egba and ijebu land and they paid tribute to the oba of benin
When the British came for annexation, the only stool they recognized was the oba of lagos, not egba or jebu
Christistruth00: Are you saying Ijebuland and Egbaland was under the Mercy of Oba of Benin when the Ijebus and the Egbas were in Complete Military and Political control of all the Lagos Mainland and even the British were Negotiating with them through Abeokuta and Ikorodu ?
Bro i said Benin allowed the settlers outside lagos Island have their governmental autonomy as long as they pay daily tribute to oba of lagos,
Did aworis not have her own military before benin sacked it, ehnn, what is special about Ijebu and egba military
Benin took their commercial spot, lagos island, the place both ijebu, awori abd egba traded and yet tgey couldn't join forces to overthrow benin
Now make me understand the military power you're talking about bro
Politics › Re: Lagos Belongs To Benin - Obanikoro's Grandson Declares by gregyboy(m): 11:12am On Jan 20, 2021
I have been following this thread since yesterday and you still haven't prove anything, Tao did justice to every lies you brought forward.