₦airaland Forum

Akiika: Na by force to patronize lawyer?...as much as i condemn forgery (if this is the case) individuals should be able to draft documents by themselves using a template and get it notarized to make it legal.
Good threads like this should encouraged especially when it'll help people save money. Although we may not be able to compare Naija to US directly, but you can get a lot of things done by yourself if you do a little bit of research....cost of services here is crazy.

lawyer: There are so many things wrong with what you have done in purchasing that land and I hope it doesn't come back to haunt you in future and these are my reasons:

1. Although you didn't take the loan from the bank but you cannot use another persons C/O that isn't in your name to collect a loan or collateral. This is what led to the collapse of so many banks some few years back. It's either you get a Consent in your name or a C/O in your name before you can collect a collateral. Any bank official that effects such a loan will definitely lose his job or put the bank in trouble so am glad you didn't take that option.

2. How can you do a deed of assignment without involving a lawyer? It's a worthless document once it is not signed by a practicing lawyer. You can't even do your Governors consent because the lawyer must sign on the first page that he drafted the documents and include his chambers name, address and telephone number. In law that's called FRANKING and its only a lawyer that has the capacity to draft deeds of assignment. Whenever you choose to perfect your documents at ALAUSA, Alausa gets in touch with the lawyer to confirm who drafted it, so that if there are irregularities they know who to blame and whose liable. Also if you intend selling the land tomorrow and a search is conducted and its deduced that the deeds where drafted fraudulently, your property will be a hard sell and difficult to convince people it's genuine. Please don't do that.

Finally that surveyor of yours is a quack. Would a lawyer bring out the template of another persons survey plan and advise you to use that? Why should he be giving professional advice in another field that isn't his? I just hope your survey plans are genuine? Have you confirmed if he has lodged the red copy at Alausa?

On a final note, there is no lawyer that will advise publicly on how to shortchange the government with its taxes regarding the drafting of 2 deeds and the cost ramifications.That's why you should engage a lawyer to advise you properly. I will not tell you the pros and cons of drafting 2 deeds in public so that my legal license won't be revoked. As for short changing the Agents it's ethically wrong. That's why you should negotiate with them before hand, before you purchase the property on what to pay them. The dangers inherent in short changing them is that whenever a problem arises, your first witness in your favor are the agents to fight for you. If you don't treat them well now, why would you expect their loyalty to you tomorrow? Some of them even go as far as colluding with the omonile to treat you badly when your building because you shortchanged them.

Purchasing a land should be done professionally and ethically so that your documents and witnesses to the transaction are intact devoid of any sharp malpractice. If you think you played a fast one on people, remember its your documents and money you are toying with.

Cheers

lawyer: There are so many things wrong with what you have done in purchasing that land and I hope it doesn't come back to haunt you in future and these are my reasons:

1. Although you didn't take the loan from the bank but you cannot use another persons C/O that isn't in your name to collect a loan or collateral. This is what led to the collapse of so many banks some few years back. It's either you get a Consent in your name or a C/O in your name before you can collect a collateral. Any bank official that effects such a loan will definitely lose his job or put the bank in trouble so am glad you didn't take that option.

2. How can you do a deed of assignment without involving a lawyer? It's a worthless document once it is not signed by a practicing lawyer. You can't even do your Governors consent because the lawyer must sign on the first page that he drafted the documents and include his chambers name, address and telephone number. In law that's called FRANKING and its only a lawyer that has the capacity to draft deeds of assignment. Whenever you choose to perfect your documents at ALAUSA, Alausa gets in touch with the lawyer to confirm who drafted it, so that if there are irregularities they know who to blame and whose liable. Also if you intend selling the land tomorrow and a search is conducted and its deduced that the deeds where drafted fraudulently, your property will be a hard sell and difficult to convince people it's genuine. Please don't do that.

Finally that surveyor of yours is a quack. Would a lawyer bring out the template of another persons survey plan and advise you to use that? Why should he be giving professional advice in another field that isn't his? I just hope your survey plans are genuine? Have you confirmed if he has lodged the red copy at Alausa?

On a final note, there is no lawyer that will advise publicly on how to shortchange the government with its taxes regarding the drafting of 2 deeds and the cost ramifications.That's why you should engage a lawyer to advise you properly. I will not tell you the pros and cons of drafting 2 deeds in public so that my legal license won't be revoked. As for short changing the Agents it's ethically wrong. That's why you should negotiate with them before hand, before you purchase the property on what to pay them. The dangers inherent in short changing them is that whenever a problem arises, your first witness in your favor are the agents to fight for you. If you don't treat them well now, why would you expect their loyalty to you tomorrow? Some of them even go as far as colluding with the omonile to treat you badly when your building because you shortchanged them.

Purchasing a land should be done professionally and ethically so that your documents and witnesses to the transaction are intact devoid of any sharp malpractice. If you think you played a fast one on people, remember its your documents and money you are toying with.

Cheers

Mogidi: The above statement shows the kind of doctor you are. My friend you're in it for the money only. Should have taken up business rather than medicine at uni.

Mogidi: The above statement shows the kind of doctor you are. My friend you're in it for the money only. Should have taken up business rather than medicine at uni.

harlos: nobody pray to find his/herself in this situation even if there is money not to talk of the man that expect his wife to give birth without stress,i don't blame the man cos what will he do when there is no money. The doctor should be able to help maybe retain the wife till he pay the bill at least he will save two lifes.

harlos: What rubbish are u saying out of your mouth, so you are supporting the doctor for not taking imagency case serious. WTF, wait till it gets to ur turn.

ChiSun27: whoeva u r will u shut up there...dont u knw wat is cald critical n emergency condition?

helpee: google the woman's case and come back to apologise you fool. It was debated at the house self. For ur information, anytime I come to UK I give people like you pocket money so don't think cos u are trapped in ur slavery in UK u know more than others. I've been to UK to attend at least three medical conferences in the last six months.

coogar: you're a fool.....
the woman ran where? you mean the woman left 5 children in the UK and ran to nigeria? this is how you bush babies spew rubbish on the net and misinform the public. her visa was extended because her quintuplets were too frail to travel - she got 6 months extension. so stop lying and you this anorexic millipede! prime minister commented on a nigerian mother? you must think cameron is as jobless as you - wetin concern cameron with NHS? stark illiterate!!!!!

coogar: that was an exceptional case.....
the woman had quintuplets - she incurred a bill of £200,000 and even with that, she still got her visa extended to take care of her children. she wasn't arrested or threatened cos she couldn't pay - that's how it works.

after that incident, thousands of nigerians have used emergency services in the NHS without paying a dime and no NHS would require anyone to pay deposit when health service is free. so get your facts right before spewing nonsense on a public forum!

frosbel: The UK citizens were enraged because it is abnormal, in Nigeria no one is enraged, in fact , they even make excuses for this type of behaviour because it is normal.

frosbel: In the UK no one gets billed for emergency treatment , I say great !!

thegoodjoehunt:
The 20k was the initial deposit. It wasn't the total cost of treatment. Her family never said they won't pay or that they couldn't raise the money. When it comes to Lab test etc, you pay b4 the test. So the money the family had at that time was 25% of the deposit the doctor required to start treatment.

What is unreasonable about that?

thegoodjoehunt:

In this case the only fact we have now is that the man didn't have enough money for the deposit. He had only 25% of it and the doctor refuse treatment.

For someone in the system, I doubt the ethics of the profession encourages that. The truth is Nigeria is in a crazy state. We are in a state of Anarchy. Survival of the fittest. If you don't have it then, too bad. No matter who much you have stacked somewhere.

If he moved her, she might not have a chance. That was why she was rushed there in the first place.

frosbel: Pal, if you were my brother and the doctor who refused to treat this woman, I will disown you , honestly.

Again it is not the money, but the value placed on a life.

frosbel: Any doctor who refuses to attend to an emergency life threatening medical situation because of common 20k Naira has no business being a doctor, he should be fired and prosecuted.

thegoodjoehunt:

Please you don't start a business that has to do with people's lives without having some ethics that go with it. There is a reason why licenses are given. There is a thought process that goes with the business. If the man didn't know he could meet up the bills, he won't go there.

My twin lost his life in a specialist hospital. They only started treatment when it was too late. That was because they saw SUV's rushing to their hospital and knew that we could cater for the bills. So please if it is just for money, these wicked doctors should try selling food stuffs and get out from handling people's lives. If money is more important than lives to them.

Imagine losing your a life when the person had enough money in the bank but the doctors are more interested in cash at hand before treating.

Doctors like this are disgrace to their profession.

Fr0sbel: You are still not getting the point.

The point is not about general treatment but a matter of life and death.

In ALL cases , when a life is under threat of destruction, it is the doctor's responsibility to save that life, because that life is irreplaceable and in many cases could actually be the sole bread winner not just for the immediate family but the extended.

Like I said , to hammer the point home, a life MUST be saved whenever the opportunity arises. Rather you are the one not getting the point. Doctors are not trained to act on emotions. A life must be saved? How do u know? For all u care, that woman may need an emergency tranfusion with blood that you may have to buy from the bank with 30k. So the doctor should dip his hand in the pocket and pay. And he may even want to do that but for how many people? The woman may need an emergency surgery that u need to call another specialist to come and do. So u will give the specialist stories that they are yet to pay? A life must be saved but doctors are not under the illussion they can help everybody so don't blame them if they can't save a life due to something beyond their power. For ur information, a thousand lives need to be saved not just a life per day in our different hospitals so how many of them do u want to do charity for. We are the one on ground and we are telling u what is happening you are still saying a life must be saved. U think u have more human feelings than I do? Think agaian