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Nigerians will never see the issue as it is. If u are blaming the doctors and the hospital, this problem will always occur and it can be anybody. Private hospitals don't just wake up to start collecting deposits. I have operated several people without deposit and they will never pay afterwards. The only time u can get money is when the issue is still hot...the moment u finish treating them, they will not pay and if you don't allow them to go they will call u wicked. For ur information, I started my hospital with a bank loan, I pay exhorbitant fees from lawma to nepa to ministry not to talk of staff, drugs, equpments, consumables. I have patients yet I was accumulating debts cos I don't collect deposit. Medicine is not charity. It cost a lot of money to save lives. Ask people that travel abroad for medicare, they pay in millions. We only get to hear of cases like this once it has happened but the ones the doctor did without collecting deposit and who eventually didn't pay none of u will hear. Until nigerians start to be reasonable and faithful, if I know that after treating you you will pay my bills why won't I do so? Assuming this hospital treated that woman without deposit and she still ends up dying, they may not pay again. So who bear the cost of the money spent. As long as nigerians assume that health is charity and doctors should work for free we will continue to travel out before we get good medicare

@frosbel. Let me dignify some of ur points with a response. U said u follow jesus and not church and u owe allegiance to only jesus. U mean the same jesus u have never seen in person? So easy to state ur allegiance to jesus while condeming everything that the same jesus stands for. The same jesus said upon this rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it. So even jesus is interested in his church. You can't throw away everything that has to do with jesus while claiming you love him. If jesus were to be alive today, you will never follow him. You are too critical and too. Pharisee minded to accept the person of jesus. The same jesus that allowed a woman to rub expensive perfume on his feet, that rode on brandnew horse which was the most expensive means of transportation during his time, whose cloth the roman soldiers were fighting over. Do u think the roman soldiers were so poor they would be fighting over a rag assuming jesus was wearing one. U can't exist in xtianity as an island. You will only be exposing urself as an ignorant in the thins of God. Why do u think the bible says we should not forsake tha assembly of the brethren? Is it by chance that jjesus wrote letters to the different churches in revelation. He didn't tell anybody to abadon those churches...he only told them to ammend their ways except the philadephia church. Even at that the philadephia church had a NAME! So u can't tell me u don't have a church and u are a xtian. Apostle paul was writing the epistles to churches with a NAME. Corithian churh, ephesian church etc. U are just like elisha when he was at his lowest state spiritually and he told God that all brethren had forsaken God except him but God told him he had reserved at least ten thousand saints. So while hypocrites like u assume that every church is a fraud, jesus is fulfilling his promise that ON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

4get this @frosbel. He is filled with hate for everybody. At best a confused bible apologist but will make better sense being an atheist. Deeper life and its false doctines...frosbel! Mohammed is a fraud...frosbel. Catholics are demonic...frosbel. Oyedepo and adeboye are fraudsters cos of tithe...frosbel. Isrealis are demons...frosbel. Ultimately, you will start a thread saying you just discovered that Jesus is fraud. Cos u were once a catholic and now u realise they are demonic. U were once in deeper life and now u know they practise false doctrines. U were once paying tithe and now u realise that they were robbing u instead of u robbing God. Very soon...u will soon realise that even Jesus is a fraud and so will end up as an atheist.

eggheaders: who called for it?? murdering a innocent 13 years old boy.what is jabari offence for crying out loud.is it an offence to go to negociating table with the Zionist hypocrites.

you muslim terrorist always play the victim. You are here on nairaland spewing rubbish. By the time isreal descend on them now, you will come back here start shouting genocide and ur stupid boko haram brothers will start their usual allahu akbar in the name of protest after your usual hatred preaching in the mosque. This was the way one stupid was talking in 2006 when isreal descended on hezbollah. After a few weeks the same stupid guy started saying isreal was guity of genocide. Get this fact in2 ur skull...islam and not zionism is the problem we have in this world. Wherever you are unlucky to have islam there must be violence

Logicboy03: Where did this brainwashed zionist christian come from?

better be brainwashed as a zionist than a terrorist. Boko haramist in the making

And he did not start the tradition of using your smartphone to post jargons on nairaland.

@frosbel. U are one hell of a disillussioned guy. I studied your different posts from trinity to pastors to tithes and I discovered that you were probably once a xtian and now confused and instead of u to admit it, u come to nairaland to justify your lost glory with God. While the isrealis may not be completely saints they are at least more civil that hamas whose purpose is to wipe out the state of isreal. Forget the person with superior power. The palestinians are hiding under the status of underdogs to fire missiles and u kept ur dirty mouth shut. Now the isrealis killed a military man, that heads the military unit of an organisation that fired 700 rockets in2 isreal and are here saying the hamas could be our brothers and sisters...the same way BOKO haram is also our brothers. So, the isrealis would have been nice to keep quiet while their enemies acquire enough missiles to send them to extintion the way hitler tried to do while bigots like you keep telling us palestinians are the saints. U said the article demonise palestinians but ur own response almost painted the terrorist as saints and the zionist as demons so u are no better as an hypocrites. I stopped responding to ur confused post a long time ago but ur confusion keeps eating deep in2 ur miserable xtian life. U can't even name ur church that associate with yet u criticise every church and every other religion. Don't tell me that God is not interested in ur congregation otherwise he wouldn't have sent messages to different churches in revelation and he called them by their names and descibed their xteristics and told them their faults. I don't support violence but their will always be violence as long as a group of people don't believe that isreal should exist and if u are supporting such people then u are anti God and at best a non xtian

234GT: Hamas should just call on their allies and attack Israel. I am sure Iran and other anti-US nations will be ready to join hamas.

I hope you won't start shouting genocide on this forum by the time isreal descend on them. Go and ask hezbollah and lebanon in 2006

seanet01: Israel makes Hitler look like a Saint.

what is wrong with u? Who else should isreal kill? They killed the head of a military arm of an organisation whose purpose is the extinction of isreal. If they kill children now u go talk. If they kill civilian u go talk. Now they killed somebody that masterminded thousands of rocket fired in2 isreal annd u still have guts to talk. Use ur brai b4 u type next time

nne3870: Come to think of it, does he really need a private jet? May be to supervise the activities of CAN all over nigeria.... Whereas there are alot of christians who have no place to lay their heads as a result of the flood yet his overwhelming church members did not think of donating such money to them.... Let he who has give unto those who lacks. My opinion though

please kindly post the teller you used in making payment in2 the account created to help flood victims. U probably don't even know the account existed. You could have made a difference by depositing as little as 1K in2 that account but instead u prefer to pay 3K MTN subscription 4 blackberry in order to bash a pastor that bought a jet. Has it occurred to u that u are not different from that pastor. Do u and ur husband really need car despite the fact that all your family members are so poor and many of them living under brigde. Why can't u sell that car ist and use it to help them before u come here to start saying rubbish

Muffy2912: What an Irony?Check the church memebers they claimed to have purchased the jet and you will see poverty written over them.Its is a shame.

if you indeed want to practise xtianity, you are not supposed to be online using ur smartphone especially since u have so much experience in identifying poor people. Jesus told that rich man to sell all he has and then give them to the poor. By now, you should have sold ur smartphone and use the money to feed the poor. That u are going about with smartphone and probably a car instead of emulating jesus who never had a car shows that you are a shameless xtian who can only identify poor people but can't help them

playcharles: Its a gift... From were, who and how... Parking the jet.. From were wud the funding come from...

shaaarap! Did they seek ur opinion about where to park it? Or they asked your father for funding?

But the same El rufai gave land gift to his relatives in abuja. So BH na PDP branch, CAN na PDP branch and if na xtians talk am now, them go carry arms say they don insult islam. So na only caliphate be the branch of CPC abi? I hope this mallam is jailed for his land deals

What is the idea behind this thread? U don't post any design, u just keep promising us that good design awaits us. Why should we believe when u don't post prototype of ur designs here. Why won't I go for iheboreke and other guys on this board who post beautiful designs every week. I think I will trust them more cos they have confidence in what they are doing. Stop promising us what u can do, start showing us by posting good designs regularly and u will be surprised about the patronage from nairaland

U guys are funny. Only haters. Why now? Pastors buy jet u dey vex. MTN promise to give out jet, u dey vex and now, congregation buy jet for their pastor, u dey vex. What is ur problem? Bunch of hypocrites. If I say u are all afflicted with poverty now some of u will start attacking me saying u have made all the monies I can't make in a lifetime. Afterall, na anonymous forum so u fit say u be dangote self. But if you are not poor, you are probably riding an average SUV. My own moderate SUV cost me 4million and gulps a lot of money in maintenance. If u fall in2 the same shoe as myself then u are not better the pastors. Why not sell ur SUV, use it to buy okada and use the rest to feed the poor cos there are many poors among us. Better go get a life instead of joining a bandwagon crowd of poverty accursed group of people always willing to join the train when a pastor is being mocked

Stop posting on ur thread unneccessarily. 90percent of people following ur thread are not interested in ur word of wisdom. We are following u to see beautiful designs. Each time u post I rush down here thinking u have posted a new design only to start reading daily nuggets. Learn how to post only when u have a good design to post or when u are relpying a query. There is a guy called iheboreke on this forum. He post very wonderful designs and each time he post I know it must be a new design. If u keep posting things that are not relevant to this topic it will eventually become boring and people won't follow u. This thread can last for several years if u post only quality designs. I will call u this week to book an appointment on my project

You are the one that don't really understand the purpose of education. Need I remind you that akingbola that became the managing director of intercontinental bank started as a cleaner? So u think you just start something from space. Let them start it, gather something from it and then start up their own business.

‎​What is the fuss with graduates applying for dangote's job as drivers all about? To be honest with you, this will not make news in america. Colonel sanders started kentucky fried chicken by moving from door to door with his chicken recipe. Havard schooled Bill Gate started microsoft in a garage. The most important success stories in america started from the garages. Why is it so convenient for doctors, lawyers of nigerian origin to go to america and be sweeping streets in cold weather but when they do it back home it becomes an abberation. Americans are proud to do dirty jobs and be considered hardworking and let us imbibe such spirit here. That a graduate started as driver doesn't mean he won't end up as MD later. We should rather be happy that more nigerians are beginning to take hardwork as priority no matter what name u call the work. Wether driver, cleaners. This is the spirit that built america. Let us imbibe it please

I am following u already. I will need u to design a hospital 4 me. I just bought a two 3 bedroom flat uncompleted to lintel level. I want to restructure it to a hospital. I am in lagos. Can u send me some prototype designs. And if I want to bring you on site for the design how much will u take? For the design and for coming to see it yourself on site

A hausa man became a mayor in Enugu cos prior to colonalism, igbo is the least organised of the 3 tribes that made up the Nigeria. Hausas have a well organised caliphate, yorubas had a replubican type of govt headed by kingship. Igbos were decentrlised into several clans without leadership. So naturally they were not leaders. They needed somebody to take the initiative for them. So it was suspect why ZIK would say igbo would lead africa if not for his tribalistic instinct. Igbo that coulnt lead itself?

cjrane: Hehehe,
Before 1957, a Hausa man had been a Mayor in Enugu. Yoruba men had many positions and businesses in the eastern region.Everyone knows that in 1957, Eyo ITa was the Premier of the East and Nnamdi Azikiwe defeated Awolowo to become the Premier of western region. Awolowo then played his trumph card of tribalism to force the then "detribalised Yorubas" that had voted for Zik to cross carpet overnight. That singular act resounded across Nigeria that you cannot become a premier in a region other than your tribal area. A situation which has continued until date. It is tragic that Awolowo killed the chance of Nigeria ever being a true country out of his inordinate ambition to become premier in the western region.

[quote author=Ded. For example, there was nothing known as Nigeria from 1900 to 1960. False! Nigeria did not come into existence after independence. nigeria came in2 existence since almagamation in 1913. Lack of independence has nothing to do with existence.

During the indicated times in the article, the people of the protectorates were socio-politically identified through their ethnicity or provinces and rightfully so because there was no country named Nigeria. Of course, Zik was perfect in his choice of words in the phrase alluded by Femi. Did Femi expect Zik to say that God of Africa has created the Yoruba nation to lead the children of Africa from the bondage of ages ....'' in July 8, 1949?
to be honest, there was a country named Nigeria with constitution as far back as 1949. And what was the basis for ZIK saying the Igb o would lead. Zik was a nationalist not a tribalist. Are u saying Zik couldn't have said that the yoruba would lead simply because Zik was igbo? If that is your position then fani kayode is right that Zik was tribalist. I don't have to be igbo to say the igbo would lead if they have the attributes unless or otherwise I am a tribalist.

It is unfortunate Femi Fani-Kayode could not correctly spot the important dates in the history of Yoruba as it relates to the formation of ''Egbe Omo Oduduwa'' and the inauguration of Action Group as a political party in the protectorates later known as Nigeria talk less of deciphering who started tribal politics in the south.[/quote]I leave that for historians

Femi Fani-Kayode
Uche, I give you my word that the yoruba fear no-one, least of all the igbo. Find out what 3rd Marine Commando (a yoruba unit) did to the Biafrans during the war.

Femi Fani-Kayode
@Uche, we in the south west dont need the oil to develop. We never did and we never will. That is the difference between us and you. You can laugh as much as you like but that is the reality. Even after the igbo were killed in their hundreds of thousands by the northereners for their intransigence and their bloody and violent grab for power in Jan 1966 and after the rest of us tried to make them see good reason and accept the terms of Aburi they still said ''no'' and attacked the mid-west and yorubaland. Sadly for them they were worsted for it, driven back and defeated and ever since then they have been broken. Biafra died then and will only rise again when the yoruba and others allow it to. This is bitter but true. Live with it and learn the importance of appreciating truth in history and the generosity and compassion of your friends. Stop seeing other southerners and other Nigerians as your mortal enemies and stop blaming your collective igbo woes on everyone else but yourselves.

Femi Fani-Kayode
@Uche, Isaac Boro fought against the igbo during the civil war as did most of those from the mid-west and south south. Nzeogwu was not the real person behind the Jan 1966 coup. He was just it's acceptable face that they presented after it failed. The real people behind it were Ifejuana (Zik's cousin), Okafor and Anuforo. They were the inner circle and they were all pure igbo. Sanusi's comments have no place here and I have responded to him on many occassions both publically and privately. The discussion about the role of the fulani and his forefathers in Nigeria are not for today but for another day. We have discussed the north and it's excesses on this wall in the past on many occassions. We have even discussed the yoruba, the mistakes they made and their v complex history here manyt times. I have been accused of being anti-north and anti-yoruba on many occassions simply because I have spoken the truth which no-one in Nigeria wants to hear so ur attempting to label me anti-igbo too is neither here nor there and it does not move me. Today it is the igbo and the advent of southern tribalism that we are discussing on this wall and nothing else matters to me. Sanusi and his ilk can say what they want. It is what you say that is more interesting to me than Sanusi's words. And if you think that he is your friend or a friend of your people then I feel sorry for you. I have tremendous respect for your position and your contributions but I also feel that your inability to indulge in self-criticism of your own people sometimes weakens you and does not do justice to ur intellectual vigour. You are far brighter than that. And by the way I dont doubtr the fact that the igbo have done well in Nigeria. I just believe that had it not been for the civil war and for the longstretch of military rule that followed it both they and Nigeria would have done far better.

Dada Solomon
@ chief, thanking you for reminding me that i was born yesterday. However, the present volatile situation of our state of nation dos not call for this history at this present time rather to me i would say you are repeating the same thing pa Achebe did in his book except you are telling me that is a payback to him and the igbo nation, having said these i think the problem of tribalism is as same as racism in the world so far we are human the issue of class as seen in the capitalist world will continue to appear in any form or watever disquise cos is part of every human being as rightly describe by george orwell in Animal farm

Femi Fani-Kayode
THE GREAT DEBATE- WHO INTRODUCED TRIBALISM INTO THE POLITICS OF THE SOUTH, THE IGBO OR THE YORUBA?

''Igbo domination of Nigeria is only a matter of time''- Charles Onyeama, a prominent igbo lawyer and member of the Central Legislative Council, 1945. (Pg. 204 ''Ethnic Politics In Kenya and Nigeria'' by Godfrey Mwakikagile).

''It would appear that the God of Africa has created the Igbo nation to lead the children of Africa from the bondage of ages ....'' - Dr Azikiwe, President of the Pan-Igbo Federal Union. (The West African Pilot of July 8, 1949).

The first statement from Charles Onyeama, which was made in 1945, was the first overtly tribal and divisive comment that was made and recorded in the politics of southern Nigeria in our history. That is where and when tribalism in the south actually started. After that comment and as a direct reaction to it, the yoruba established the ''Egbe Omo Oduduwa'' to further and protect yoruba interests and after that came the formation of the Action Group in 1948.

The second statement from Zik, which was made in 1949 (and which clearly shows that the great Zik of Africa had forgotten that the NCNC was not an igbo party at the beginning and that it had in fact been established by an upper class and very well educated yoruba man by the name of Sir Herbert Macauly, one of the famous ''Black Victorians'' from the Lagos Colony, and who, at his death bed, was gracious enough to hand over the leadership of the party to him even though he was igbo) confirmed that tribalism was here to stay in the south and that ever since that time the igbo had an agenda to dominate others. This sentiment and this unfortunate igbocentric attitude is what cost Zik the Premiership of the Western Region in 1953 when the NCNC narrowly lost to the Action Group.

It is clear from this that if you want to know who started tribalism in southern politics and the politics of the southern protectorate of Nigeria it was not the yoruba or the southern minorities but the igbo. The excesses of the Igbo State Union and their treatment of the southern minorities and the yoruba from 1943 till 1967 was completely unacceptable. The rest of the south were prepared to accept the igbo as equals with open arms but they were not prepared to be politically dominated or conquered by them.

Worst still the first coup in the history of Nigeria, which was the Jan 15th 1966 coup d'etat led by Major Ifejuana and Major Kaduna Nzeogwu, was essentially an igbo coup and an igbo grab for power. I say this because 95 per cent of those that took part in it were igbo and 99 per cent of the political and military leaders that were brutally murdered during it's execution were non-igbo. It was this coup and it's sheer brutality that led to the even more brutal northern officers counter-coup of July 1966 (in which 300 igbo officers were killed in one night including the igbo Head of State, Gen. Aguiyi-Ironsi, and his yoruba host, the Military Governor of the Western Region, Gen. Adekunle Fajuyi who sought to protect him), the pogrom of igbos in the north (in which over 100,000 igbo civilians were killed in a few weeks) and the Nigerian civil war (in which 2 million Nigerians and Biafrans died).

These are the facts of our history. Live and learn. If you want to know who introduced tribalism into southern politics, it was the igbo. If you want to know who carried out the first coup in our country it was the igbo. Having done the painstaking research over a numberof years these are my findings and this is my conclusion.

I will open my wall for a robust discussion and debate on this issue and I will accomodate contributions from even those that are not my fb friends just for this debate. I will accomodate all shades of opinion and contributions from anyone that cares to join in the fray and I want to encourage those that disagree with my findings to state their case. We are all still learning but please take not that any rude or insulting comments will be deleted. This is a historical debate and I would encourage all those that seek to qoute anyone or make any assertions to mention their sources so that we can cross check the facts. Thanks.

Memphis357: Seems you guys ain't getting the picture here. Stop posting comments on her sh!t and ignore this attention seeking social media ho!!!!! Dang!!!!

u just did what you said we shouldn't do. U posted a comment and said we should ignore her so the cycle continues.

If only people can upload pictures of robbery scenes for you, you will rather sign petitions for better things. That killing will be brutal if you have never witnessed the brutal killings by robbers. Educate young men to live within their means.

U are right my brother. The people they killed are part of the trophy for peace and I pray that peace will elude you until you are also used as a sacrifice for peace. Then and only then can the peace be total.

MuhMubRaj: Good!the movie was a deliberate act to trigger d anger of d muslims. Has any muslim made a movie insulting another religion??damn no! We have respect for other peoples religion...if we the muslims don't get violent,such acts will continue. The innocent who die should see it as d price 4 peace...PEACE!!!

Niseamaka: SEEMS I`M ONE OF THE FEW NAIRALANDERS THAT IS VERY
SUPPORTIVE OF THE CONTROVERSIAL INTRODUCTION OF
5000 NAIRA NOTES.I JUST CAN`T WAIT TO PUT 500K IN EACH OF
THE BACK POCKETS OF MY JEAN TROUSER.A MILLION BUCKS IN DA POCKET.

and what will u buy with the million buck in your bucket? You don't get it? The million bulk in your bucket may not buy you more than a pair of shirt and probably shoes with serious inflation