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NPComplete:
Why are you making a fool of yourself like this? Are u this daft? Should I break your skull and put sense into it? Don't u understand context. How foolish can one human being be? Didn't u read Desyner's arguments?
U didn't do very well in school, did you?

The people I was referring to people are people who built their educational and scientific works on biblical principles as a counter to the initial argument I replied to.

I am beginning to think u understand me but u are just dragging this talk on so as to attract the mods and more viewers to your thread. Because, quite frankly, I don't believe anyone can be this hopelessly stupid.

I am out.

Shove your Insults back into that Sewage you call a throat.

You are the utter fool because Christian Scientist don't build their Scientific Work on Biblical foundations as the Bible was never meant to be a guide for science... Something I have said repeatedly to that blockhead of yours...

Let me make it simple to your degenerating watery brain using a Popular Christian University here in Nigeria-Covenant Uni. A Covenant University Science Lecturer is allowed to come to whatever conclusion he has regarding questions bothering on Nature, Biology, Physics etc. But that does not creep into the Church face of the University. The Church does not seek existential answers from her science colleges and that is what this thread is all about, American christian colleges admonishing Christian Universities world wide to hold steadfast in their doctrinal beliefs without letting philosophy of the colleges sip in. You were the one who deliberately gave meaning to DesyNer "Biblical work" as Science Discovery. Nothing in his initial post referred to Science or Scientist.

So don't come here with a stupid question that says "which christian scientist built his breakthroughs on biblical principles?" How is a Christian Supposed to build scientific breakthrough from the bible? Would I be trying to build a Space ship by opening to the book of Mathew or the book of Romans... Your questions is as stupid as it gets. Nothing in my bible teaches Biotech, Engr, Nanotech etc to make it an alternative or variant of science. Lastly biblical principles ARE not scientific principles e.g Believe in Jesus and receive Eternal salvation is an example of biblical principle. So when you ask me which breakthroughs are built on biblical principles you leave me confused. The fact of this thread remains thus that Churches built the best universities globally, some of which are still christian till today btw.
Now I am done with this argument Goodnight

NPComplete:
Any scientific breakthrough that has ever been achieved has been achieved fully thanks to scientific principles.

It has had nothing whatsoever to do with any principle of any religion or creed.

If the Christians that made scientific breakthroughs relied on biblical principles, they would not have had any breakthrough to record. And the Christians who are trying to use biblical principles to do science even today have been relegated to the forgotten nethers of the scientific world. They rear their head every so often to spout some pseudoscience but none of them is relevant.

The relevant Christians who are scientists of renown have stuck solely to scientific principles and have done great works thus.

Until any of you guys can show me proof otherwise, my initial point remains unassailable.

Cheers.

Still talking nonsense...

DK Olukoya is a Scientific Researcher plus a Pastor of MFM. He didn't go to the bible to learn DNA isolation technique, neither would he argue that Bible teaches DNA isolation techniques. He however believes in the total authority of the Bible to serve as the Spiritual Mandate for any man just as he believes in Scientific Enquiry as the pathway to solve man's physical challenges and that is why the best research center in UniLagos was endowed by him....

David Oyedepo is one of the largest individual(not organisation) financial contributor to Research in Nigeria yet he believes in Spiritual principles. So I hope you get my point.

Science would never teach you about Jesus, just as the bible doesn't teach you STEM. Lastly, you are using the term biblical principles so carelessly that it is clear you don't know what that means

NPComplete:
Your comprehension skills needs a little more work. Even after I corrected u, u are still arguing the wrong thing.

No, I didn't make any comment that implied anything of that sort. It was u who misunderstood because of preconceived notions which fit your narrative that some people believe Christianity is a stumbling block to human developments.
The statement I made dissociated biblical principles from science. QED
U didn't counter anything I said either. U just made up whatever u wanted to believe I said and ended up countering what u made up.

Cheers.

"Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development."

You clearly said that people who uphold Biblical principles are stumbling blocks to Human development. You weren't dissociating anything, you made an affirmative statement that Christianity inhibits Development and when you got called out for making the senseless statement you couldn't back it up but instead went defensive. But I'm glad you are back peddling, it shows you know what you said was rubbish...

NPComplete The aim of the Bible was never to directly give Scientific solutions to problems which plague societies and even Nations so there is no point trying to correlate research breakthrough with biblical concepts. But the Bible definitely serves as an inspiration to impact our world positively as it gives Christians the mandate to Lead where others fails. The bible tells us in

Rom8:19 "...For the Creation earnestly awaits the Manifestations of the Sons Of God...."

Mat5:13 "You are the Salt of the Earth. But if Salt loses its flavour, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled by people."

Mat5:16 "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."



You made a comment which inferred that Christianity is a stumbling block to human development and I simply countered that point by making it clear to you that the most value adding institutions of learning and research in the world were established by Christians even in the presence of non governmental ones to model with. The Church educated America and the Remaining west. Without the Church there would be no Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford or Cambridge.

One of the three most reputable universities(SKY) in South Korea is the Yonsei University(Still a practicing Christian Uni) founded by Christian Protestant Missions in the 1800s and today is still every relevant in building the Knowledge base of South Korea. So how can you mention Christianity as an hindrance to human development?

"Harvard (1636) was the first university in the United States. It was founded by Christians to train clergy. Most of the first universities in this country were founded the same way.

106 of the first 108 colleges were started on the Christian faith. By the close of 1860 there were 246 colleges in America. Seventeen of these were state institutions; almost every other one was founded by Christian denominations or by individuals who avowed a religious purpose." - Bob Sidensticker

"Oxford and Cambridge Universities in the 17th Century required its scientist to be ordained Anglican Clergies. And yes those universities thrived in those times too"


British author Malcolm Muggeridge said, “I’ve spent a number of years in India and Africa where I found much righteous endeavour undertaken by Christians of all denominations; but I never, as it happens, came across a hospital or orphanage run by the Fabian Society [a British socialist organization], or a humanist leper colony.”

Summary: The Church is the most value adding Institution in the World. When the Likes of Yale, Harvard were being created the US govt had no idea what it meant to own Universities and till today the US Federal Govt does not even own universities and bothers not thanks to the labor of Christians who had instituted renowned centers of research and education

NPComplete:
Thank God those people aren't many. If not we wouldn't have gone very far in human development.

Lalasticlala

kitaatita:
Christian leaders have met and they have taken their resolutions to the President

you mean the catholic bishops?

Pretty much simple, Jesus! However asides Jesus it would be Abraham.

College of Sci and Tech
Cafeteria

Lalasticlala

Health Centre Serving both students and Omuaran community

College of Development Studies

Library Exterior and Interior

Senate
Chapel

Landmark University is the second university of Winners Chapel in Nigeria and is an Agri focused university. The university has a landmass almost equal to the university of Ibadan

TourismMan:
Sexual harassment is getting out of hand. You won't believe how many lecturers have interest to sleep with my GF which we are in the same department. I see this girl as a gift from God to me because she is very to me and we relate with each other so nicely but these lecturers would let her be. Like today alone, at least 4 of them saw her in different locations and all invited her to their respective offices and did nothing than toasting her and asking her for contact number and other funny funny questions like "do you have a boyfriend?", "When did you have sex last?" "Can we have a dinner tonight?" What useless and shameless lecturers do we have in our universities these days? How do we tame and curtail this ugly behaviour of lecturers? Or does it mean being a lecturer now entails sleeping with all fine girls on campus?

Don't let them know you are the boyfriend o so they don't start facing you.

A new report by Socio-Economic Rights and Accountability Project (SERAP) has revealed how “most allegations of corruption in federal universities such as unfair allocation of grades; contract inflation, truncation of staff’s salary on the pay roll; employment of unqualified staff; Senator Dino Melaye’s certificate scandal saga; examination malpractices; sexual harassment; issuance of results for expelled student to graduate; and sales of university certificates for undeserving persons have neither been thoroughly investigated nor punished.”


Sexual harassment bill The report titled “Stealing the future”: How federal universities in Nigeria have been stripped apart by corruption says, “impunity for corruption in the university system has negatively affected the governance of federal universities and the quality of education received by the students.” The 58 pages report was launched today at the CITI-HEIGHT Hotels, Sheraton Opebi Link Road, Ikeja, Lagos with the support of MacArthur Foundation.


The report presented to the media by Dr. Bolajoko Dixon-Ogbechi Nkemdinim, Associate Professor of Business Administration and Marketing, Faculty of Business Administration, University of Lagos discloses that “Most of the time lecturers miss classes and they never get punished. Getting a job in the universities is not the question of merit but of connections. Ghost workers syndrome is a problem in the universities.”


According to the report, “There have been cases where staff have used their official status to prevent the administration of justice in their units/departments; universities sometimes recruit mediocre or totally unsuitable candidates in preference to candidates of high merit. Most of the time when non-academic staff are not at their duty posts they never get punished. People with questionable degrees/qualifications paid bribes to get into the university system.


In several cases, people employed by federal universities through connection with political authorities.” The report which used the University of Lagos and Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria as case studies identified other cases of corruption in the university system to include: “bribery to get a position; NYSC mobilisation before graduation; facilitating fake transcripts; short-circuiting employment procedures; auctioning university assets without authorisation; politicised disciplinary action; inflated contracts, admission irregularities and racketeering, result falsification; nepotism; sexual harassment; examination question leakages, abetting examination malpractices; and deliberate poor invigilation of examinations.” According to Dr. Dixon-Ogbechi Nkemdinim, “The research team administered questionnaires and conducted interviews at the main campus and College of Medicine of the University of Lagos. The team also visited the Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria, where the instrument was also administered at its two campuses.


The report focuses mainly on federal universities even though there are three different categories of universities in Nigeria namely, federal, state and private universities.” The report read in part: “The focus on federal universities is important because the Federal Government of Nigeria is the custodian of tertiary education at the national level and it directs and controls the affairs of the parastatals in charge of tertiary education system in Nigeria to a very large extent.” “We also found several unresolved cases of diversion of university funds for personal use; embezzlement, mismanagement, unmerited allocation of hostel accommodation, discrimination in the allocation of staff quarters; certificate/transcript racketeering; improper use of university assets; inflation of cost of contracts, award of contracts to friends or relatives; and admission racketeering by non-staff.”


The report launch was attended by Mr Femi Falana SAN; Barrister Babatunde Ogala; Dr Olumide Ajayi Director African Leadership Forum; Mrs Jumoke Akiyode; Ms Funmi Oluyede member, National Executive Council of FIDA Nigeria; and representatives of representatives of the media; the Independent Corrupt Practices and other Related Offences Commission (ICPC); Osun State Governor Rauf Aregbesola, Dr Adeleke Ipaye.


They all promised to work with SERAP to address corruption and bribery in the university system. SP Binga from the ICPC specifically promise to look into all the allegations contained in the report. Falana said, “In 2017, over N200bn was disbursed by TETFund to our universities. Neither ASUU nor any of the campus unions monitored the disbursement of the funds. Also, how many companies are paying 2% of its annual profit to support our university system? The bulk of the funds meant to improve the universities end up in the pocket of the contractors. 3 Vice Chancellors are currently standing trials for looting funds allocated for running the universities.” Falana also said, “Based on the 1992 FG-ASUU Agreement the federal government was compelled to enact the Tertiary Education Trust Fund Act.


The Act has established the Tertiary Education Trust Fund (TETFUND) as an intervention agency charged with the responsibility for managing, disbursing and monitoring the education tax to public tertiary institutions in Nigeria. Pursuant to section 1 of the Act every company shall contribute education tax of 2% of its annual profit to the TETFUND.” “Professor Baffa, the Executive Secretary of TETFUND announced in March this year the commencement of activities to kickstart the 2017 disbursement of the whopping sum of N213 billion to the nation’s tertiary institutions. If TETFUND can disburse N213 billion in one year it is my view that if the education tax is well managed it will go a long way in addressing the crisis of underfunding of our tertiary institutions,” Falana said. “Just recently, it was reported that the new management of the Joint Admission Matriculation Board (JAMB) paid N5 billion to the TSA.


The money was realised from the sale of admission forms to applicants seeking admission to the tertiary institutions in 2017. Meanwhile, university administrators have not accounted for the money realised from the sale of post jamb examination forms.” “Following the recent arraignment at the federal high court of one of the Vice Chancellors for allegedly stealing the sum of N1.4 billion, the staff and students of his university invaded the court and practically forced the trial judge to vacate his order for the remand of the accused in prison custody! Before then, the same staff and students had demonstrated for days in the office of the EFCC in a bid to prevent the filing of charges against the indicted Vice Chancellor.


This is not surprising as has never taken any position in the massive looting of the commonwealth by the members of the political class who are aided by the governments and financial institutions of western countries.” “Having fought and won the battle for university autonomy the ASUU should ensure that the internal machinery of each university is deployed to prevent the diversion of public funds. It is high time ASUU established a committee for the purpose of monitoring the management of public funds in the universities, the collection of the 2% education tax by all registered companies in the country and the disbursement of fund to universities by TETFUND.


Unless the public funds allocated to the universities are judiciously spent by the management it is morally indefensible on the part of ASUU to continue to embark on industrial action to press for adequate funding of tertiary institutions and improved working conditions of the staff,” Falana added. According to the report, “Other cases of corruption being covered up are: falsification of results; extortion of students; late payment of money due to staff for examination invigilation, excess workload and other allowances; and collection of bribes before signing official documents; intimidation and victimisation by superior officials; promoting preferred staff ahead of others who are equally or more qualified; and deliberately delaying the progress of Ph.D candidates because of departmental politics.”


The report also read: “We also found cases of lecturers writing students’ research projects and extorting fees from them; students fronting for lecturers to extort from other students; stealing and misappropriation of university funds; falsification of age; diversion of funds; and ghost workers syndrome; impersonation during examinations; forgery; and diverting internally-generated revenues into personal account.”


“Although the originally proposed sampling locations were Lagos (University of Lagos) and Abuja (University of Abuja), the University of Abuja could not be accessed because the institution was on vacation. Hence, the Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria, was used as a feasible substitute.” “The judgmental sampling procedure was to select the relevant universities; simple random sampling procedure was used to select the relevant departments/units at the University of Lagos while the snowball sampling procedure was used to select the relevant departments/units at the Ahmadu Bello University, Zaria.


Thereafter, the convenience sampling procedure was used to select the sample subjects from the two universities.” “The authorities should also publish blacklists (i.e., lists showing individuals guilty of corrupt practices) by the university administration; including provisions designed to ensure the proper conservation and use of resources entrusted to staff in the performance of their jobs in the university’s condition of service; and involve the unions and other stakeholders in deciding how funds are to be used for projects in the university and developing sanctions for staff that do not report corrupt practices.”


“Most of the findings may only be applicable to federal universities, in broadly generalised manner. Another constraint encountered was the respondents’ reluctance to fill the questionnaires because of their apprehension about consequences or their busy schedules. However, this limitation was overcome through persuasion and repeat visitations to them.” “Because it was not feasible to serially investigate all the institutions in the education sector in Nigeria all at once because of the enormous diversity in their geographical locations, this study focused on federal universities in Nigeria.


Hence, questionnaires, personal interviews and observation techniques were used to gather data from relevant staff and students at the two selected federal universities. A sample of 1,500 respondents comprising of 900 students, 300 academic and 300 non-academic staff was taken from the two federal universities under study.”

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2018/02/federal-universities-covering-corruption-sexual-harassment-serap/

SammieJayh:
The Oral Roberts stuff is an outreach program...just like DOF...

They can't admit all the kids of their members into the school, it's just not possible...schools have a maximum carrying capacity...

Even the governments of countries can't educate all their citizens for free...
In the USA, UK Canada and some other countries, there are financial aids which are payable with interests after school as soon as you get a job...yet you want chruches to give free education...

Whatever Salvation Ministry brings can't last the test of time...no one will tell them to start charging fees...
Even if they never pay tuition, it can't make as much stride as CU, LMU, Redeemers that are funded by tuitions, IGR and church funding...


No one is entitled to free education(except from the government)...


Fight the government for free education(you and millions of other Nigerians are axed compulsorily, VAT etc.) not the churches who are even trying to cover the shame of the government

You made a very important point in your first paragraph. Even if the school don't charge a dime majority of members kid won't still make the admission list for reason of space..

SammieJayh:
Yh...and the foreign missionaries had volunteers and funding...

Who's gonna volunteer in Nigeria? Where everyone is mapping the best for their future...

People will still be critics...even if Oyedepo makes CU free, people will still complain...

That's when you'll hear people say he's supposed to feed the students and give allowances...
Some will say it's too good to be true and he's using their destinies to prosper more...I fear Nigerians when it comes to theories...


Why I'm vexed is cz those who beat this issue mostly aren't Christians...but the dumb Christians still look for entitlements where there shouldn't be any...

You can't compare the cost of running a tertiary institution to what Pastor Ibiyeomie does(tho it's very commendable)

Those missionaries did those things when the population wasn't as dense as now...

Some countries give free education up to tertiary level, Nigeria doesn't...
So you can't expect all religious unis to be free..., besides they are cheaper than other secular unis...


Abuad collects at least 1.2m for engineering courses, whereas CU gets just about 900k... Landmark is just above 600k, it's even cheaper than Elizade university...

You clearly know the good institutions for engineering.

vineyardfarms:
SIR AM SORRY IF I OFFEND YOU. SALVATION POWER MINISTRIES BLIND TO DENOMINATION, OPENED TO ALL.

THEY ARE WORKING ON UNIVERSITY WITH FIRST CLASS RATING WHICH WILL OPERATE TUITION FREE. BE ON THE LOOK OUT.

Oh OK, I wish them success. Let us know when it is completed.

mehn this is serious, six Africans have been killed in retaliation!...if you are a Nigerian in Italy pls stay safe o. After this 'no guilty' verdict, things might get worse for Africans in Italy.

vineyardfarms:
IF MISSIONARIES WHERE TO CHARGE FEES JUST WONDERING, HOW MANY COULD HAVE AFFORD TO GO TO SCHOOL THEN!!!!!!

GOD DOES MIRACLES, I AGREE. THERE WAS A GREAT AMERICAN MISSIONARY WHO GAVE FREE EDUCATION TO INDIANS IN INDIAN BY FAITH. HE NEITHER LACK TEACHERS OR SUPPLIES.

THERE WAS THE GREAT MISSIONARY IN UK EVANGELIST MOODY, FREE BOARDING, EDUCATION AND VACATIONAL TRAINING TO THOSE THAT PASS THROUGH HIS INSTITUTION.

THERE WAS (IS) BUKOO TEE, BLACK NATIONALIST, WHO PROVIDED FREE BOARDING, FREE TUITION, FREE SUPPLIES, IN THE USA.

GODS WORK DOES NOT LACK SUPPLY OR DIRECTION.

BACK HOME TO NIGERIA, PH SALVATION MINISTRIES PROVIDE FREE BOARDING, FREE TUITION, FREE SUPPLIES, KG THROUGH SECONDARY SCHOOL AND VOCATIONAL TRADE TO DROP OUT, HOUSE WIVES,ETC

Since you said Salvation Miniseries does it then kukuma go to salvation ministries own. No need to tackle those that charge tuition.

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What is your foolish business you dimwit. So if I am far away and I need to help contribute for my church's new building project, I should physically come back and be looking for the accountant that would take my contribution on a week day abi. Funny the slowpoke who posted this is an Atheist.

All Christian missions today use internet banking as a means to collect money for their projects. The American James and Betty Robinson mission in South Sudan uses the internet to get money from Christians to support their mission. Jentezen franklin mission also does it, CBN also does it. So what is your foolish message?

Lalasticlala can u just imagine the difference in Electricity Availability.

Lalasticlala
Cool but why is the place so dusty already

Colleverage:
Now he is scamming people and begging for money bishop Oledepo

Oyedepo's book proceed alone would change the fortunes of your entire generation.

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Ladyhippolyta88:
It is a welcome development so that some people would not have to write jamb up to 80 times before gaining admission.The more tertiary institutions we have the better.And we should also try to maintain the existing ones.

Could have been a good idea if he could actually fund the existing ones. By creating new universities he would be diluting running cost of previously existing universities thereby worsening their already dwindled standards.
Govt by now should stop building more universities-they just never learn they think universities are just outfits you setup like kiosk.
At this point any new private uni in Nigeria should be a private university - running at no major cost to govt.
Lalasticlala

asuustrike2009:
Is that so? How does UI tends to achieve this?

1) They should mandate all lecturers to deliver using multimedia
2) Lecturer uploads all notes on university moodle even before class starts.
3) All classes to be taken by more than three lecturers(UI does this)
4) Retain small class sizes
5) Encourage diversified assessment-seminars, term papers, assignments are all very good and easy sources of marks for very serious students.
6) Reward teaching excellence ratings of faculty.
7) Query faculty with consistent poor teaching excellence rating across different levels -
Include class representatives in the exam time-table process.
There are many ways the UI can improve on itself but the major step which has been to admit there is a problem has shown that UI is more than ready to transform into the proper university.

Bifrost:
This is a magnifent idea.

This continues to show and remind us how far Nigerian Universities have to go.

The truth is most lecturers (especially in Public varsities) are very subjective (and even sentimental) in marking. I have evidence to back my claims. We really need a complete overhaul in the sort of lecturers we bring into the system. I am very pained by this.

With the exception of UI though. UI intends to reach 70% of first and 2.1 in the next few years.

SpoiltVirgin:
No fit happen for naija

You can't just fail people like that in nigerian private universities. Private Universities like Covenant also mandate students to rate and score lecturers anonymously, which is then used as criterion for promotion.

Lalasticlala