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damogul:
It baffles me that you claim not to have friends and are lonely and depressed but when friendship is offered to enable you add to your repertoire of non existent friends you back away.

You say the Doctufos brought you here and then within a short while you now claim you are an atheist and a God hater. What drew you to the doctufos in the first place because you were drawn to it that means you were not an atheist then.

However you are a teenager and it is mind boggling the degree of hatred you expressed in your OP at this young age.

Now you went on and began talking about cultists and the army and your environment as if you are any different or better than they are when inside of you, you are just as bitter and angry as they are.

How can you love when all you see is hate? How can you not hate when you deliberately reject love when offered? Your parents and sibblings arent stupid to desire communion and comfort in love and God.... You were offered a warm bed, hot meals, a leak free roof over your head and you chose the cold chill of the night and the emptiness it comes with.

Like kingebukasblog said, atheism is transitive so for me i would not see you as an atheist....I would see you as a conflicted teen who allowed himself to be misled.

A conflicted teen who ought to be using his youth progressively in pulling his family together, rather he is pulling away from them

A conflicted teen who knows he needs help but refuses to accept it when offered. Thats suicide...and for people like you abroad..thats what it often leads to.

Good one.

CeoMYN:
No one knows about me being an Atheist, the stuff is that am 24/7 7/7 30/7 alone. I hardly interact with anybody.
I don't see atheism as the cause because I have always been lonely. Atheism added it's part recently but that's not the main cause. The main cause is that no one shares the same views with me social wise and others.

You embraced a new belief system and rather than be happy you are angry with yourself? You need to check yourself and your new found belief.
you said you ve always been lonely. Does it mean you dont go to school? You just sit idly in the house 24/7? And if you do go to school do you still remain lonely even while in school? You be ogbanje or what?
Atheism is not the cause of your loneliness but it is the cause of your anger.
You have a serious problem that is beyond what you think. i just hope this doesnt consume you.

CeoMYN:
Words can't tell how angry I am right now for haven believed in God , I'm mad at myself for believing a lie for almost two decades till this year.
Right now I want a sane environment! I'm fvcking looking for the slightest chance to tell my parents who Clinton is. I'm a teen and that's going to be hard because they have become more religious recently.
I'm getting mad! No one to share my feelings with! I'm hiding it!
I don't want to die with depression and loneliness! I need a sane place!
To all those evangelists out there TFU!

You are really insane as you said. I hope you recover.

jonbellion:
What was the point of that
Some "christlike" spirit you've got going there

Yea i just called you people what you are. Quite a pathetic bunch. I would rather die than be an atheist.

mhizesther:
well,i was never a christian and will never be a christian....who cares if ur jesus promised u a trouble free life or not...i

Yea you were never a Christian rather you were a wolve in sheep Clothen. A hydra headed monster in the house of God.
God

LiberaDeus:
Nice testimony.
I hope you know what they will say on this thread.
Christians will say the following and they have already started saying it

1. You were never really born again or you were a wolf in sheep's clothing

2. If you were a Christian, you didn't have a real relationship with Christ, you were a legalistic Christian and you focused on your own works, you should have sought the assistance of the spirit.

3. You are a weak Christian, just because you lost your grandma you fell out of the faith. Christians suffered more than that, Jesus was even crucified, god didn't promise you a life free from trouble.

They will say the above and much more but don't worry cause the rebuttals to all these points are available.
Remember to always keep an open mind in all you do. Don't dismiss religious views totally, always think and consider their view points and also the atheistic view points.
Unlike us, Christians grow their faith by avoiding dissenting world views and obfuscation of other religions and view points. But we freethinkers accept all ideas and reason them, we are like an open melting pot if ideas, if the truth can face resistance from different ideas and still remain then that truth is certain.

Religious truth is like a spoilt brat shielded from all the world's challenges that's why when it faces the light of different ideas, they go berserk, they feel surprised that such views exist and they feel unsettled.
But atheistic truth is like a child that has been sent to military school to learn the challenges of life. That child is not unsettled by challenges.

Mr adviser can you now see that your client has confessed that she wasn't a Christian? You people are so pathetic.

damogul:
Why are you contradicting yourself? First you say you were a Christian and attended church and was even a chorister and now you say you were never a Christian and will never be?

I think you have ruled on who you really are with your own mouth.

The girl is just confused as you can see.

akintom:
Are you some kind of "Christianity Avenger" now?

Christians come here, to expose the absurdities of religious idiocy, and that's why they get trashed.

Christians get trashed only in your small mind. Keep deceiving yourself.

I know that the scope of your madness covers religion but i am only narrowing it to christianity. I dont have time to waste.

mhizesther:
Hello everyone,i joined nairaland in september and ive been observing for a while....im an atheist and i look forward to making new friends....i would love to have christian friends too but pls dont tell me about ur jesus...im not interested in that jesus stuff...im a nice person and i really have a lot of questions for christians....

Nigerians are funny . Atheist indeed. Clap for yasef.

akintom:
You displayed the lowest act of stupidity, when you alleged, without proof.

You're simply bereft of common sense.

Otherwise you would have noticed, that religion and religious beliefs are my concerns.

Christianity just happened to suffer collateral damage from my writings.

Christianity just happened to suffer collateral damage only in your brain.
The height of stupidity and madness that you display here against christianity is what you call common sense. Quite a shame.

akintom:
Can you please post an honest equation then. Quite a frozen brain.

I know you will always display your stupidity as you have always done in difence of your madness against christianity . Continue.

akintom:
Many theists' comments here, especially that of naijadeyhia, concluded that, they plan and pray, one doesn't hinder the other.

But that's not the thrust of my thread.

Am saying that prayer, is unwarranted idiocy and waste of time, by those who engage in it.

This is it....

If 1+0 = 1

And 1 - 0 = 1

Therefore, 1=1,

and 0 = 0 (irrelevant)

Now,

If Plan + prayer = plan

And plan - prayer = plan

Therefore, plan = plan,

And prayer = 0 (irrelevant factor)

Look at the dishonest equation you gave here which does not represent what he said. Quite a shame.

jiggaz:
No believer in Christ will end up in hell.... if it is so, then that means that all the promises God made to us are not true. But you know what? God cannot lie.

Believers ending up in hell is a man made idea. All those people that died and woke up and said they saw believers in hell are all liars... most of their visions are not Biblical. So many promises were made by God on how secure we are in our salvation. Believers can experience lapses in their walk with the Lord but they always come back.... e.g THE PARABLE OF THE PRODIGAL SON.

For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Rms 8:38-9)

When i say Believers in Christ, i don't mean Church Goers that comes to church every Sunday without knowing what it means to have Christ as their Lord and personal saviour. No, am talking of people that trusted in Christ for their Salvation. One thing i know in this life is that i don't judge anyone cos i don't know their belief and their relationship with Christ. Men judge by what they see but God judge by the Heart.

As you can see, i believe in the 100% grace of God... grace and grace alone. You have a different belief, so i think it will be in your own interest not to comment on my threads cos you might find them offensive to your thoughts. And i personally don't like arguing..... So to avoid any clash of opinions, it is better you don't comment cos we can never agree. I respect your opinion, so respect mine too.... Live and lets live, that's my policy. Every mallam with im kettle.

I can see you are scared of the truth that guy has said. You just want to keep consoling yourself by misinterpretating the scriptures. It's not the best oga. Learn to embrace the truth no matter how bitter it is.

jonbellion:
Isn't it funny that everybodys version of hell if different from everybody else's
And then the visions of heaven are so vague
It's almost asif christians want to see who has the most sadistic imagination amongst themselves

Even this world we are living in, can everybody in the world give the same description about it? Hell fire that contains millions upon millions of souls is where you expect people to give the same description about. You people are always looking for one foolish excuse to give yourself for your fears.

Wilgrea7:
yes bro... you have a point... I've done a big research on near death experiences... people always seem to experience what they believe.. even non-genuine atheists who claim to experience a burning hell actually believed in it... I'm speaking from unbiased research.. our belief actually kinda influences our afterlife..

one NDE website i was on said
“you create your own afterlife with your beliefs, thoughts and words and actions through your mind.... when you die, you step into it'

Its funny how you always struggle so hard to kick at testimonies like this. Seems you are so afraid of hell. Leave people with their experience. You cant change what someone said he experienced biko.

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Seun:
I think you're feeling depressed and I empathize with that, but technically, this is a stupid question. Being happy is an obviously worthy goal in life. It is a high purpose. The only higher purpose than a happy life is helping other people to have happy lives after you've gotten yours. Everything that matters is linked to human happiness in one way or the other. One of my problems with religion is that it asks people to sacrifice their real happiness and the real happiness of other people for the sake of an imaginary paradise. You read about people staying in abusive marriages for their entire lives because "God hates divorce", and you want to cry because you know they'll get no reward for it.


While you're alive, being happy is significant to you. Helping others to be happy is significant to them, and also significant to you because it makes you happier. The idea that things must last forever in order to be significant probably comes from religion, and it's utterly wrong.

We can try to build things that live beyond us, of course. For most people, this is their children and grandchildren. For Charles Dawkins, it was the theory of evolution. For Albert Einstein, the theory of relativity. For Alfred Nobel, the Nobel prize. For Steve Jobs, Apple. For George Orwell, his brilliant literary works. For outspoken atheists, a world in which more people are free from religion. But nothing lasts forever. Eventually, for almost all of us, every evidence of our existence will be wiped out. But we won't be around to feel bad about it. It won't matter to anyone.

Quite ironical to see Seun who opened a sticky thread here telling us to tolerate one another coming here to blame the bible and God for telling husband and wife to tolerate one another. That's hypocrisy.
Seun said Biafrans should tolerate other tribes and continue to stay in the forced unity called Nigeria. That's hypocrisy..

Jesus preached love, kindness, tolerance and helping the poor so what is wrong about it? What is wrong about the fruits of the spirit that we are asked to bear in 1 Corinthians 5:19.? Does these traits not promote happiness amongst humans? Why are you talking as if christianity doesn't offer any good,? You can continue to deceive yourself that life ends here. At the end of the day you will discover that you have fooled yourself.

sonmvayina:
that is why i have the brain..i think and it does what i tell it to do...my wish is his command..if you are my enemy, if i tell it to kill you...it will whether you give your life to jebus or not......

Ok you ve just confirmed that you are one those fools that believe that an "it" created them. Continue with your madness.

sonmvayina:
I really dont know where to argue from..i believe in a higher power that is responsible for both good and evil from mans perspective..this higher power is not a man so it cant tell if an act is good or evil,, that was why i was furnished with a brain so i can make practical and logical decision in whatever situation i find myself..

My contributuon to this debate therefore, is that: since this power those not have a mouth to talk or hand to move things..it might just be nature at work. And no higher power or God..

Your so called higher power gave you a brain to think while "it" doesn't think,? U people are just deceiving yourselves.

Wilgrea7:
I'll play the atheist

ok

i don't believe God exists... i will reject all evidence i see no mater how logical it is... the dna is the starting point of life which came from nothing and completely programmed itself... nothing has the tendency to create something out with order. all we see is the physical and there is nothing like spiritual... just your mind playing tricks on you.. there is nothing like miracles even if i were to see one live... I'm too dumb... i mean.. wise to be fooled by tricks. i don't believe in supernatural planes and all who believe in a sort of deity are deluded or religiously blinded... no amount of proof will make me believe.. they're all lies according to me

Hahahahahahaha... Nsogbu dikwa o. You just represented them so well.
.Daalu kwa.

DoctorAlien:
Pastafarians,
While the word "hellfire" might not be found in the Bible, it is thoroughly evident in the Bible that GOD will destroy and annihilate sin, sinners and Satan with fire, in that Great Day.This is the "wages of sin" and it is death.
See Psa. 11:6; Isa. 34:8,9; Isa. 47:14; Psa. 37:20; Psa. 21:9; Psa. 37:10,38; Psa. 68:2; Psa. 104:35; Psa. 145:20; Mal. 4:1; Job 15:34.

The word *"hell fire * is in the bible. Check Mathew 5:22 and Mathew 18:9.

Christmas has tuned to chicken-mas. i'm not against it but i'm against the manner it is celebrated..

Wilgrea7:
it seems i must have mistaken you with someone else on the atheist issue.. if u want to be more enlightened then tune in on my posts... peace

Its the brother here with the username- Thesixtsense that use to be an atheist.

Peacefullove:
eternal life is living forever . simple, now since those in your hellfire and Satan will LIVE FOREVER, do you accept that they will have eternal life too ?

Ok so when it is eternal life then the word "eternal" and "forever" assumes their true meaning but when it has to do with torment or punishment then their meaning changes? You people are something else.
smh.

Wilgrea7:
very typical of you... when you run out of points to bring forth in a logical argument u start attacking the other person.. calling them liars.. yet u fail to refute their claims and reject all biblical and solid evidence against yours.. i heard you were an atheist before... i find that hard to believe. i dunno how someone can go from atheism to dogmatism.. both are dangerous and blind.
i never said there will be no punishment for sinners.. there will be punishment and Jesus is rendering to everyone according to his works.. i don't care about soul winning for now.. i just want to spread the truth and expose a lie for what it is... you guys have failed to justify your beliefs biblically and logically and all you can do is attack and call something a lie.. very typical of a dogma.. you can continue preaching your lies.. i really hope you don't scare people away from God.. and i really hope one day you can do what you preach to your children...

until then

cheers

Oga stop whining biko. Anybody who does not buy into your lies is dogmatic. I dey hear . Again you are claiming what i did not say. Go through that reply i gavve you again so that you dont claim what i didnt say you are doing.

You have failed to convince me on why people who died as sinners and are no more in existence will be raised again on the last day only to be put out of existence again. Some of them died hundreds and thousands of years ago in a very horrible manner and here they will now be raised up and be put out of existence again. Just that? Nah. If it is about wiping them out of existence then they wouldnt have been raised up again. If you say they are still existing then where are they? I know you dont believe in life after death so where are they existing? Again i ask- in your bedroom?
And pls i ve NEVER been an atheist and will NEVER be.

I ve told you to carry on with your sweet lies. Save yourself the stress you are going through to give your lies a semblance of truth.

Wilgrea7:
you are the ones saying the dead are extinct... the bible said they are asleep. or where in the bible did it say a dead man is extinct? the bible clearly stated times without number that people who die are asleep and will be raised up on the last day


I'm not a Pentecostal.. i was once until i was loosed from dogmatism... i once believed in the doctrine of eternal torment until I saw the truth about it.. I've seen the truth and I'm not going to be stingy with it... if u can let go of all biasness you will see the truth.. except u gain money from preaching this fake scare tactic

i stand for the truth... even if i stand alone

Oh yea the bible never called them dead. They are asleep and existing in your bedroom. . Enjoy your lies while it lasts. You can even upgrade it to say that the lake of fire does not exist. No punishment for the sinners. Do more research and your usual twisting of the scripture and arrive on this so that u can win more souls. There are people out there waiting to hear that there will be no punishment at all. Kindly extend your sweet lies to them.

Wilgrea7:
a black pen calling a blue pen black doesn't make the blue pen black.. you guys have not shown any proof of your false doctrine.. you claim i twist scriptures yet i show u the truth and you reject it.. the truth is bitter .. i agree... but a bitter lie isn't still truth.
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. You are just funny . What is bitter about your teaching? That sinners will not burn forever? How is this more bitter than the teaching of eternal torment? Maybe you want to redefine the word "bitter"
You redefined the word "forever, eternal, everlasting" in your effort to massage your lies. Did you see me redefine any word in the passages being quoted?
Oga you don't need to give yourself too much pressure, continue with your lies as much as it pleases you.

analice107:
Na wa for your interpretation of Scriptures. So, the fire will be burning eternally while the object for which the fire was set would ve been burnt to ashes?

I hope you realize that Sodom and Gomorrah were cities? The people of Sodom and Gomorrah shall certainly resurrect to stand the white throne Judgement, If not why will Christ say this...?

Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matthew:10:15

Keep fighting this, if you dont repent, you'd end up there.

That's how the guy operates. He keeps pulling out scriptures and giving it all sorts of interpretations to make his false teaching look like truth.
Notice his chest-beating having felt he has used his manipulation of the scripture to convince people.

Wilgrea7:
I've adressed what he said... d edom verse explained it... you guys haven't explained any of the verses i brought forth in the light of eternal torment. u guys r just repeating the same thing that has been refuted without making any point or refuting mine.. u can start with the ones in the picture

I don't have time to keep going round and round over an issue that has been discussed extensively here..
You can continue with your false teaching. You are just quoting scriptures anyhow like pentecostal pastors when they want to lure their congregation into their greed. Of course that is what is required to make a false teaching look like the truth.
In the other threads where this issue was discussed extensively someone asked why would God raise dead sinners some of who died thousands of years ago who have , according to your teaching, gone into extinction (since you don't believe in life after death). If its about extinction why raise them up again since they are already not existing any more?. None of you have provided a satisfactory answer to this.
You can continue with your teaching and win as much souls as you can. For me i stand for the truth no matter how bitter it is.

solite3:
i av addressed these issues.
@bold those are you words not what the bible says.

Look at what the bible says,

Revelation 14:11 And the [b]smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, [/b]who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

God bless you for saying the truth

Thank God. May God continue to bless and strengthen you. Amen.

solite3:
Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear[b]: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; [/b]yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

Mark 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

The fire of hell does not quench neither does its worm dies
Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The torments never ends!

The shame and regrets never ends!

Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.


You are warned Hell is real!



Luke 16:19 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 16:21 And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 16:22 And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 16:23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 16:24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 16:25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 16:26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 16:27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 16:28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

I agree with you my dear brother. Those who want to believe the OP can go ahead. By the grace of God i will make heaven so whether the lake of fire will burn forever or not does not bother me.