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MizJanet:
As human , you can't . but for an immaterial being its not needed, is your God human ?



You believe in this things so you should explain, and spirit according to Christianity is immaterial, that's why they ain't believed to have vagin*a or pen*is , talkless. Of tongue which your bible identifies as a Body part.

" the tongue is a small [size=28] part of the body, [/size] " says the Bible .

Going by this analogy of spirit as immaterial, that rules, out the tongue option

Unless , you want to tell me your god is a material being that will be interesting, then we can start from there

God is a spirit, he talks to people, he hears prayers, he sees and moves.
Angels are spirit, they talk, hear, sees and moves.
Satan and demons are spirits, they talk, hear, see, move and they can be tormented.

Then when it comes to man and his spirit you start playing games with what a material should possess and what an immaterial should not possess. keep deceiving yourself.

you have failed woefully to tell me how the spirits mentioned above can pronounce words clearly without having a tongue. Why are you dodging this question?

americanigga:
If truly he gave His son to the whole world why did the son live and die in a small town called Israel why did the son not travel to the whole world to present himself to them. Is Israel the whole world?

Before the coming of Jesus how was Jehova relating to africans to show we were his children?
Why is it that there was no record of any relationship between Jehova and Africans, Europe etc but only the Jews. Does that not tell you that the bible is simply an history of a nation and their relationship with their God. We Africans believe that anything that comes from the white man is superior why?

The yorubas have their history how they were created by Oduduwa, the Benin people have their own, so also people in Asia.
So my brother the issue of hell fire has nothing to do with me and you but the people of Israel.

You are just making noise. I have shown you several places where the bible addresses the world and you are here telling me empty stories. I dont have time for your empty stories.

americanigga:
That is not true the spirit inside man does not have the shape of man. The spirit inside man does not have form, it is like a force. You can imagine it like a smoke, or air or electricity(current) with energy. To be more specific, let me quote the bible: the bible said God breath into man and man became a living soul. It is the breath that we refer to as spirit. Does breath have form? Can breath talk or walk.

God is a spirit.So you mean God is a smoke that cannot talk?
Angels are spirits. So you mean angels are smokes that cannot talk?
Satan and demons are spirits so you mean they are smokes and cant talk?
Stop deceiving yourself.

MrMontella:
people who have gone to hell and back?..oh u mean the six year old boy who went to heaven and back and then 10-16 years later he admitted that he lied?
Millions? What a fallacy..

Which six year old boy? And that supersedes the million others across the globe who stood by their testimonies? The atheists who had the experience and gave their life to Christ. The muslims, the hindus, the traditional worshippers, the occcultic men and others who have experienced this and gave their lives to Christ? These testimonies have been happening over the years. You are joking by using your so called six year old boy to cancel the overwhelming testimonies. See how you easily believed your six year old boy but find it hard to believe the millions of others who not only testified to this experience but also gave their lives to Christ. You are a hypocrite indeed.

MrMontella:
muslims who have met allah nko?
Christians who have met allah nko?
What are u saying bruh?..
Gimme something to chew on..not these stuffs..ive dealt with it on nde's..

I have never seen a christian who have had an out of life experience and converted to Islam based on what he saw. What you see is christians converting to muslim due to marriage or money or politics etc. Not based on an out of life experience they had biko.
Give me a link to such testimonies and i will provide you more to mine.

MrMontella:
serzly?
1 john 4:7,8,16...enjoy...
Even john 3:16 sef....?
What u saying ni?

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Again you failed. The place you quoted does not show what i asked you to show me. I asked you to show me where it is written that God iis an all loving God who cannot punish people. Kindly show it to me and stop going round.

MrMontella:
what does holy mean?(for a God)
can a holy god hate?
Dude...isaiah 27:4
...habakkuk 1:13...

Pls stop deceiving yourself. Read what led to that statement in verse 4. Start from Isaiah 25 and follow the writing and you will see the bible was describing of a particular time and event. Notice it kept saying- on that day.
I dont do cut and join in the bible. you dont just cut a statement and portray it wrongly.

MrMontella:
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he said his mercy has no limit...
do u know what eternal punishment means?
What does all merciful mean?

I created these bible verse abi?
Jer3:12...micah 7:18
1 chro 16:34...jer 33:11

funny!

Pls be sincere in reading the bible. The place you quoted in Jeremiah God told them to return from their backslidden state so that he will not cause his anger upon them. As long as they return he will show them his mercy and not keep his anger forever.
God's anger upon a sinner ceases when the sinner repents. As long as you refused to repent his anger stays there and once you leave this life unrepented, then there is no more repentance room for you. The door of repentance closes.

MrMontella:
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1 john 3:20
its like u dont understand the word everything...
U experience emotions as a result of new information gained...fact...

ur bible said god changes his mind though..lol...and he even sinned in the bible...a lot..so?


The biblical god didnt create me...

1. I have told you that the fact that God knoweth everything doesnt mean he wont still show us that he is angry when we sin. He is dealing with human that is not all knowing and if he says he hates sin, he must show it to man when man sins. Its a simple thing to understand but your evil mind towards God will pretend not to understand.

2. when a sinner repents God changes his mind towards him. God cannot change his mind to youjust because you are angry with him. You can be angry and thats your business, he will still do what he wants to do.

3. You have no say in your creation. You didnt even ask to be created so you can continue to make the empty noise that God didnt create you.

MrMontella:
eternal punishment contrasts all merciful...get it..

keep on deceiving urself that i am going to give account to your imaginary friend...
Sin is jst a name for negative survival traits..

What you are saying would ve made sense if you had say in you creation.
If you had say in how your life will run and when you will die.
For now remain a noise maker that you are.

MizJanet:
That makes them material. A spirit having a fleshly tongue. Lolzzzz , And if you are so sure provide proof from your bible where it ever say spirit have tongue !


Tongue remains a Body part!

This is not the issue. You are dodging my question. Here is it again-
Can one pronounce words well without the tongue?
How come the spirit pronounce words clearly since they dont have tongue? Kindly explain to me.

I have told you that your spirit is same shape/form/appearance as you but the difference is that its not physical or mortal. You just want to be going round and confusing yourself.

MizJanet:
This fallacy is the reason I asked : " gnashing of Teeth" , is the TEETH not physical ?



So confuse set of people, soon they will say God is immaterial. Yet he is been presented as a man who needs a tongue to speak, what about vocal cord ? Sighs

Okay, basically your god is an humanoid, needs a fleshly tongue to speak . awesome

Oh so without the tonegue one SPEAK WELL? Speaking well was what i asked you so drop the vocal cord defence.
Explain to me how one can pronouce words clearly without the tonegue and stop blabbing.
And spirit being immaterial means they dont possess tongue? You are really confused.

MizJanet:
Provide proof ? o yeah you are caught in the web, is that what I asked you ?


Touch your tongue, is it Flesh or spirit ?

I have told you that your spirit is exactly you but not in the physical. Asking me about tongue as if its not part of you makes no sense.


And may be you can explain to me how a spirit (God, angels etc.) can talk well without tongue.

MizJanet:
Show me one single place that said this people u mention have tongue ?

O yeah now you are caught in the web i can see. You are now looking for cheap way of escape. Can you go through my post again then read what you wrote here to yourself and listen to yourself pls? I have clearly shown you that spirits can be tormented but you can keep pretending that you aint seeing it to your own peril. I am not forcing you to believe though

MizJanet:
touch your tongue , is it Flesh or spirit ? Am not surprised though, too much of watching nollywood video editing of ghosts is clearly seen @ bold

Oh so in your belief a spirit is not supposed to have a tongue. How come the angels speak? They are spirits. God is a spirit, how come he speaks? Satan is a spirit how come he talks and will be tormented with his angels at last in the lake of fire? The demons that Jesus cast out in one the mad men he encountered screamed and asked Jesus why he has come to torment them. But demons are spirits. How come that some people that Jesus cast out demons from them when the demons were leaving they tore the persons garment and pushed him down. But they are spirits.

MizJanet:


Really, that is the soul/spirit ?
But the text said the richman has a tongue and could taste water , . a spirit having a tongue, tongue a body part !


Touch your tongue, is it flesh or spirit ?







Body and soul in hell , he said " both" .. Not that soul go first and body join later , BODY AND soul in hell - Matthew 10:28 . its clear and direct . in another instance he said something along its better to have a body part gone than HAVE YOUR Whole Body in hell !

If that's the case, the body of humans should go to hell when it dies . is that happening ?

I have given you the difference . You can keep pretending not to understand it at your own peril. I am not begging you to believe. Your spirit appears exactly as you are but the difference is that its not in the physical body. Your spirit is not different from you. It is the real you thats why when it leaves, your body becomes motionless and dead.

MizJanet:
@ bold , your imaginary souls HAVE TEETH ?

You think your soul is just one shapeless thing different from you? Then you are missing it bigtime. Its exactly you as you are but not in the physical body. Thats just the difference.

EyeHateGod:
Mat 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

And did they receive him or kill him? Then when he resurrected from the dead and said go ye into the world and preach the gospel to ALL NATIONS baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the Holy ghost, didnt you read that one and the numerous other places he spoke about his mission to the world? You didnt also read the ones that Paul wrote?

MizJanet:
so all the I die and go to Hell story na wash, aftrall Jesus didn't say people will go to hell when they die . interesting . more evidence that you guys just give baseless assumptions e.g the one of body and soul is final judgement , the one of spirit/soul is for dead sinners


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If it is about natural death then Jesus wouldnt be talking about sinners being destroyed in hell since both the righteous and the sinners die the natural death.


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so sinners are now Destroyed in hell not tormented ?

man , in what form do people go to hell ?

You are just trying to confuse things but its not me that you can do that to. I was trying to differentiate to you where body and soul comes into play.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a clear case of the dead sinner being tormented. That is the soul/spirit. The body remains in the grave and decompose to be made alive at the second resurrection for judgment and eternal torment. If you like pretend as if you dont understand the difference i am drawing. My points are clear.
They are tormented in hell fire. The reach man in hell said he is in torment. Jesus said it is a place where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. At another point he described it as a place of eternal torment.Which destruction is worse than eternal torment anyway?

americanigga:
when Jehova was talking all that he was talking to the children of Israel. He never mentioned Africa, europ or Americ. Do have any evidence of Jehava relating to African during the time of Abraham. What is our business with another countrys religion?

For God so love the WORLD that he gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believeth in him will not perish but have everlasting life.
Does this statement say JEWS?

Deicide:
And what point are U trying to mk? I ain't the one that believe that am gonna see them again or Am I?

You see how you reason? I mean dont you mourn their death? Why dont you join them to die since you love them so much? Why do you have to be relieved of the impact of their death and starts laughing and merrying again after sometime as if you never lost any?

MizJanet:
this people won't stop amazing me o, when their Lord said body and soul in hell , he no mean when they die as usually preached anymore it means after the final judgement .

Just show me where Jesus said it will be when they die.
If it is about natural death then Jesus wouldnt be talking about sinners being destroyed in hell since both the righteous and the sinners die the natural death.

MizJanet:


Christians are confuse set of people, some will tell you its spirit not soul , and if u say soul , where will the spirit go then ? care to clarify


the bomb is that according to their Bible , Matthew 10:28 says Body and soul go to Hell , but have you ever heard them preaching this ? its so clear that the verse is a LIE, the body doesn't go to any hell

Yes the body and the soul will be tormented in the lake of fire forever and ever after the final judgment as recorded in Revelations. Thats why the second ressurection will take place which is for sinners who are dead to be judged and cast into the lake of fire.
The talk about spirit/soul being tormented in hell is concerning sinners that are dead. The one of both body and soul is at the final judgment. Nobody is begging you to believe but whether you like it or not you will face it when the time comes if you dont repent. I dont paint words for people on this matter.

MizJanet:

stop stammering with this imperishable , perishable , that body , it's that body e.t.c kind of words showing you ain't even sure what burns in this hell

tell me what exactly is that thing that burns in hell ?

Experience is the best teacher. Since you dont understand him, maybe experience will teach you better but i pray God saves you now so that you dont experience it. Amen.

frank317:
OP... the fact that you are over coming Allah's hell does not mean it does not exist. Allah will still burn u blasphemy you spew every day the God has a son.



in my own opinion the two people that deserve hell are Yahweh and Allah.

The crap you people always present to defend yourself but we christians cant fall for your foolishness. When muslims are talking about God they are talking about the supreme being. Same goes for christians. The hell that both religions refer to is the one created by the supreme being. There is only one supreme God what differs is our views/approach. Moreover, the Koran acknowledges Moses, Abraham, Jesus and some other bible personalities as prophets of God. Our bible does not recognize their Muhammed at all talk more of calling him prophet of God. Now use your tongue and count your teeth if you are wise.

MrMontella:
@the bolded is a big fat lie...

the serial killer and his killings,,the prostitute and her prostitution,,the armed robber and his robberby..
These three things stated above each have their undeniable evidences when they occur
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And the millions of people who have passed out of life and back and experienced the horrors of hell are not undeniable evidences for themselves and a confirmation of what we are preaching? You are deceiving yourself. Moreover its not only christians that have experienced this. It includes people of various religious and cultural backgrounds who at the end of the day give their lives to Christ. You turn blind eyes to such testimonies because you want to keep deceiving yourself that hell is not real.

MrMontella:
Any rational human will see that an Eternal punishment for finite sins is a direct contradiction of an all loving and all merciful god..

eternal torment again..
But he is still all loving..

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O yeah kindly show me where God told you in the bible that he is an all loving God and for that reason he cannot hate, he cannot be angry and he cannot punish people for their sins. You just created what you think you can use as an excuse but you are deceiving yourself.
If he did not state these things in the bible then you would ve scored a point by telling us that he is doing what he is not known to do in the bible.

MrMontella:
here the ideology behind the christian god is crushed by the christians themselves..
The bible claims he is all loving yet he can hate..
An all knowing god cannot have new emotions...like anger,,plain wickedness,,,
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Where did the bible claim all loving and says that it means he cant be angry or punish?
All knowing doesnt mean that if he has forseen that you will sin he wouldnt be angry when you commit the sin. He has said he hates sin and frowns at it and he cannot change because of you. You dont want to change for God but you want him to change for you. How silly you reason. A creator changing for his creature. He is all knowing but there is still need for him to show us that he is angry when we sin. Or you want him to keep silence to sin because he is all knowing so that you will start feeling that he is very cool with us sinning?

MrMontella:
Any rational human will see that an Eternal punishment for finite sins is a direct contradiction of an all loving and all merciful god..

And what stops you from rejecting the finite sin so as to escape the infinite consequences if not for your undying love for the infinite sin? If humans like you are rejecting sin why not you? stop deceiving yourself bro you have no excuse.

johnydon22:
Hades = Greek myth

I call it myth, Everyone agrees happily.

Duat = Egyptian Myth [First underworld concept in history - in fact the very idea of Afterlife was started by the egyptains].

I call it myth everyone agrees happily.

And thus goes for every underworld myth scattered across every culture, everyone agrees it's myth.

Hell = a christian corruption of the greek word gehena and the greek myth "Hades"

i call it myth, some christians start wailing.

Somehow at different timelines, everyone believe their superstition is correct but as time has shown your religion of today is the entertainment of tomorrow.

No atheist fear any idea of hell, otherwise such a person cannot be atheistic. As a matter of fact majority of you guys are bullied into comformity with that idea

the fear of hell these atheists mention was that it kept them in theism even when they wanted out until they eventually escaped the grip of such myth that has been taught to them as truth all their life.

Affirming that most theists are there because of the fear of hell and greed of another life.

[b] I know you believe you are doing what is right and good by trying to tell everyone that there is a place of eternal torture that will be used to punish a sin committed in a life time.

I thank you for your concern and care but i must also ask; How can you possibly love a God who is going to burn someone you care about [let alone billions of others] eternally simply because they don't believe in it or hurt it's ego.

how can you possibly justify burning people infinitely for a finite transgression, how can such barbarism make any iota of sense to you.

I cannot worship or respect such a god because such a god holds attributes of something i'd consider extremely evil and it grieves me that you can, or maybe you are bullied into such belief and worship by that monstrous sinister and barbaric idea as hell.

Fear is the boat that drives your faith and belief.
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TRASH

johnydon22:
If there is indeed a god - the attributes of Yahweh would be an insult to it[/b]

Imagine a creature dictating how his creator should be. What an insult. As if its your dictation that makes him God. Foolishness at its peak.

AnonyNymous:
See the irony lol. Your words not mine

Yes you are given yourself false hope that there is no hell when actually there is hell and you are heading there except you repent.

Deicide:
Why are Christians this Greedy and selfish knowing fully well that most of their loved once will burn in Hell? The Forth generation b4 u backwards of their family will also burn in hell while this Christians Party in Heaven With Jesus?? but hell don't exist Heaven don't exist Its only used to fish out greedy people Thats why people are being killed in the name of religion




















[size=13pt]WHEN WOULD U STOP BEING SELFISH??[/size]

And i ask you- Dont you have loved ones who are dead? Why didnt you kill yourself to die with them? And since they died dont you eat, laugh, merry, go to clubs and parties and live your life as if you never lost them?

Stop being hypocritical bro

ifenes:
Basically you will be brainwashed to forget your loved who apparently are roasting in hell. And you say this god is full of love or a manipulator?

Dont you have loved ones who are dead? Why didnt you kill yourself to die with them? And since they died dont you eat, laugh, merry, go to clubs and parties and live your life as if you never lost them?
Count your teeth with your tongue.

oglalasioux:
Atheists are not scared of hell because hell doesn't exist. All atheists grew up with a mindset; that there is a heaven and hell. The fear atheists talk about is basically the shock of finding out that this age old story is actually a lie.

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Why are you lying? The fear of hell is the major thing that scared you while you were a christian and that made you start looking for a way to discredit the bible and when you found your likes who were already in atheism you embraced them. You can claim you dont have the fear now but you had the fear as a christian and thats one of the major things that pushed you out of christianity. We constantly see atheists here and in other fora complain bitterly about roasting people for eternity. Thats the fear and they are still battling with it to expunge it from their mind but no way. You can suppress it for a while but it still comes up so keep your lies bro

oglalasioux:
You talked about the people dead for thousands of years ago being raised up for judgment. My question is; is the judgment about the apple Adam and Eve ate or accepting Jesus Christ as lord and saviour? The christian stance of heaven and hell is predicated on accepting Jesus Christ to cancel out the Adamic sin. So my great grand father, who didn't say that 'lord Jesus' prayer, is going straight to hell. What a loving god. Same with the Muslims and countless other religions.

Those who heard the gospel of Jesus and refused to believe him are the ones guilty of hell. Now we cant talk about those who didnt hear the gospel because God will judge them according to how they lived. THe old testament people didnt live in Jesus era but those of them who believed God and lived a good life will not go to hell. The conscience has always done his part of condemning us when we do wrong.
Now dont forget that even the Koran recognised Jesus as a prophet of God so you can never tell how much encounter your grand father had with Jesus, Only God knows so dont conclude.

And pls show me where the bible told you that God is all loving and cannot punish. You pick the one you want and use it to make your blanket condemnation. WRONG.
Again, God's judgment is about the sins you are committing, Adamic nature is the nature that makes you human and capable of sinning so stop confusing it with the sin you committed. It is the sin you committed that you are answerable to not Adam's sin.

Freewill? There is no absolute freedom anywhere in the world. God never gave us absolute freedom.

oglalasioux:
I predict that by the year 2050, no educated person will even make references from that tales by moonlight book called the bible.

Yea only atheists are educated. Millions opon milions of believers of the bible all these past centuries and years are illiterates, You see why bible called you people fools?

sevenhundred:
o yes i did not believe or trust any religion but i TRUST GOD, what am I .

It appears your interest is not to be linked with religion, but whars new?

I have read several posts by atheists saying how they overcame the fear of hell fire and by so doing they conclude that no such thing as hell fire exists. Obviously they pick courage to make this claim on the background that the fear of hell fire is no more in them. Some christian organizations on their own took their message to a different level by agreeing that there is a lake of fire but that it will not burn eternally. Some others will tell you that God is so loving that he can burn people forever.

To the atheists, i want to let you know that overcoming the fear of something doesnt make that thing good or non existent.For example- A serial killer has overcome the fear of killing but that doesnt make killing good(anyway atheism preaches that any thing is good if we say its good). A prostitute has overcome the fear/shame of prostitution but that doesnt make it good. A thief/armed robber has overcome the fear of armed robbery but it is still bad. Overcoming the fear of these things does not mean that those who engage in them have escaped the consequences.
In the light of the above, it is obvious that to overcome the fear of hell fire does not mean that there is no more hell fire or that you wont end up there at last if you dont repent.You are only giving yourself a false hope which of course is temporary.

To the christians who preach the false message of no eternal torment, you are also giving yourself a false hope.You people are trying to paint a picture that will not be so scary to the unbelievers but the bible clearly stated it in various places that its an eternal punishment. Giving yourself false hope doesnt solve anything. God cannot raise billions of people up from the grave on the last day just for the purpose of judging and burning them off. Some of them died thousands upon thousands of years ago. Some died in a way that is more horrible way than just being burnt off by fire. If it was about wiping them out then they are already dead and gone so no point raising them up again. They are being raised up to come and face the eternal torment. It may sound painful and wicked to the unbelievers but thats the truth. Nobody is stopping anybody from being a believer.
For those who claim that a loving God cannot do that, pls remember that it is clearly written in the bible that God can love. He can hate. He is a God of vengeance. He is a consuming fire etc. The bible bears records of his acts that reflects these attributes so stop giving out false image of a loving God that cannot punish sinners.
Questions are welcome at this point.

raphieMontella:
1.Christians and muslims ...if creation had supposedly stopped since far back as 10000 years ago,why are stars like FU ORIONIS being birthed inside the last 100 years.? .

What do you mean? God made provision for procreation. Humans have not stopped giving birth. Animals have not stopped giving birth etc. so whats the noise for? One statement that God made after creation was- BE FRUITFUL AND MUTIPLY. God initiated procreation.

raphieMontella:
1.Christians and muslims
2..Christians if you were born in Afghanistan to muslim parents which God wud u have called the true God?
Muslims if you were born in the Vatican city(a country) or Greece to staunch christian parents which God wud u have called the true God?

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Another noise making.
Everyday people are migrating from one belief to the other. We see muslims turning to embrace christianity and vice versa.. We see traditionalists, Hindus etc turning to Chriist. Even you that is an atheists were you born in an atheists family? But today you are an atheist so stop giving us that crap. Where you are born cannot tie you to a belief. You make your choice as you grow in knowledge.

raphieMontella:

[b]3...Christians do you believe Muhammed rode a flying horse and divided the moon into two?
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Why should i doubt it when i was not there when it happened? Why should i doubt it when the scripture told me about the powers of darkness. What i will rather want to know is- by whose power did he do it? By God's power or by devil's power? The bible says- we are not ignorant of his devices.

raphieMontella:
1.Christians and muslims
Muslims do u believe yahweh made a donkey talk?

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It is clearly stated in the scripture that God did it. I have no reason to doubt that the creator of all things cant do that. He was the one that created the donkey not to be able to talk and he has the power to make a donkey talk. What he did was to speak through a donkey. God owns everything and he has every right and power to use his creations as it pleases him.

raphieMontella:

[b]4..Christians and Muslims do u believe the sun orbits the earth as ur holybooks said it did or do u believe the earth orbits the sun?

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Kindly show me where the scripture said this so that we look at it together.

raphieMontella:
1.Christians and muslims

7...Christians and Muslims ..why did ur holybooks make no mention of HOMO NEANDERTHALS? And how is it possible that the fossils of them are being found if the earth is jst 10000 years old?
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Pls be informed that the bible does not contain a comprehensive information about all that happened from creation till now. It doesnt contain all the events going on in the world since Adam. No one book can contain that pls. Be wise. We are only given the fraction that we needed to know to establish our knowledge of God and our relationship with him. This simply means that God is more interested in our personal relationship with him than restricting our relationship with him to what is written only. If God wanted our relationship with him to be book based only, he would have made everything to be written and that will amount to thousands upon thousands of volumes of books detailing every event from creation till now.
HAVE A PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD.

HardMirror:
Lol
You are stylishly bailing out.

You just want to waste dalaman's time. You already know the excuses you will give you never had a plan of healing anybody.

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Its obvious that you people are afraid that the miracle will work to your shame. Dalaman is chickening out. Shame on you people if you cant take up the challenge to prove that your no God belief is right. The guy agreed to make it an all expense paid trip yet your guy is throwing up all sorts of flimsy excuses. Shame on you people.
This clearly shows you are deceiving yourself that there is no God when in your heart you know there is God. Bunch of deceivers.

Peacefullove:
its in your bible man , 1 Timothy

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men , the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

he gave himself as a ransom For ALL.

You are mixing up things young man. The issue we ve been arguing over is on atonement of sin and i said the death of Jesus does not provide atonement for sin for those who lived and died before Jesus before because God has already made atonement plan for the old testament people.
I also went ahead to confirm this to you by telling you that the sacrifice of Jesus is for whosoever believeth in him as stated in John 3;16, and because the dead cannot believe what is going on in the physical while they are dead it automatically means they are not part of it. You foolishly decided to dodge this truth because you desperately want to mock the bible. The questions i asked you on this issue of believe as written in John 3;16 you have constantly avoided it in your insincerity because you know it will nail you. PATHETIC.

There is nothing in that biblical statement you quoted that states what you said that the death of Jesus atones for those who died right from Adam till now. It remains your desperate moves to twist the meaning. The book of Timothy that you quoted was simply talking about the present era. In the past, the high priests served as mediators between God and man. They were the people that went into the holy of hollies to atone for the sins of the people but now it is Jesus Christ. That was the simple message being passed by Timothy. This became necessary so that the Jews who at that time were already used to the high priest going to atone for their sins to know that it is now Jesus Christ that mediates for them no more their high priests. It was a new era and the messages of the new testament was necessary to educate these people that some of the old structures which they were used to have been replaced by the new one in Christ and it is for all who are hearing the message to know. Not for the dead biko. I dont know how you even reason.

Peacefullove:
and yet:

Hebrew

39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.





and yet Jesus claim non of this people has been to heaven.

13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.

that was many years after this old testament people like Moses etc have died, does that mean they are not holy for heaven ?

You are using what christians say to judge Jesus Christ. Wrong. Jesus told the thief at the cross that he will be with him in PARADISE that day. He never said heaven. Also when Jesus told the story of the rich man in hell and Lazarus. He said Lazarus was being comforted in the bossom of Abraham. He didnt say heaven but the bottomline is that both Abraham and Lazarus were not in a place of torment rather a place of comfort. In our human knowledge about the divine abode what we understand is heaven and hell but we have limited knowledge. Obviously its not only heaven. If it is only heaven Jesus would have told the thief that he will be with him in heaven and told the rich man that Lazarus is in heaven.It is on the resurrection day that we are told that we will rise at the sound of the trumpet and go up to meet with God in heaven in a changed body.

Peacefullove:
please who are this US ?



listen to yourself now, Jesus didn't die for them. but the benefit of Jesus death and ressurection is effective to those whom he didn't die for ?


just listen to yourself !



ransom indicates a price paid for something , and christian theology maintains that Jesus paid the price for our sins , is Jesus not the Ransom for ALL according to bible ?

Peacefullove:
please who are this US ?

For those of us who live in the new testament are. The scripture is simply telling us what is obtainable in our time so when it says all in that context it means all of us who live in this new era. When the scripture is making a statement that it involves the dead and the living its always clear and understandable to the readers. You just desperately want to twist this one for the purposes of your mockery but i wont give you that room. Thats why i am making every thing clear for other readers while you can continue in your foolishness.

Peacefullove:
listen to yourself now, Jesus didn't die for them. but the benefit of Jesus death and ressurection is effective to those whom he didn't die for ?

The issue of resurrection was talked about first in the old testament in the book of Daniel. Resurrection is not a
'whosoever believe" thing like salvation. It is for everybody that is dead (both sinners and the righteous). Abraham, Moses etc are not rising because they are born again in Christ like us. NO. The resurrection is for every dead person ooo. The sinners right from Adam will rise to be judged and finally cast into the lake of fire. So is this part of the benefit you are talking about?

Peacefullove:
@ bold , So If Jesus didn't die and ressurect, all including the old testament people won't be Made Alive?

use your brain, that means Jesus died for them


ransom indicates a price paid for something , and christian theology maintains that Jesus paid the price for our sins , is Jesus not the Ransom for ALL according to bible ?

Yes ransome indicates a price for something and was the new testament addressing the old testament people? Does any statement made with the word "all" include the dead? Pls answer me yes or no and stop blabbing.
Again answer the questions i asked you repeatedly in my previous posts with a simple yes or no. Stop playing ojoro. I hate insincerity thats why my discussion with you is not cool as i use to discuss with your fellow unbelievers. RECEIVE SENSE.

I ve already answered you question about resurrection up there. I had to bring your question about it down so as to tell you i ve already answered it.

dalaman:
I've told you. I know that you won't be able to do anything. We will just go there and you will waste our time. You won't be able to do anything. And I will not accept any failure from your side. If you agree that you will pay me for wasting my time then I'll come. I will not accept any failure from you. I will be in Lagos within the week for a job assignment.

Quite a big shame on you that you are trying to chicken out by shifting the post in the middle of the game. SHAME. You are actually afraid that the miracle will work and shame you and your atheists friends here. You are also ashamed of the media publicity that the miracle will gain stating how it all started in nairaland challlenge and the national/international shame it willl bring to you and your fellow atheists. Sure you have read the past miracle that God performed through that guy and you are beginning to shiver that this one will work.
Now you are going against what you preach. If you believe that he cant do it why dont you go and prove it. Is it not you atheists that makes noise about proof. Now the opportunity to prove something has come and you are slacking back.SHAME.
You actions here have indeed shown us that most of the things you present here in defence of your atheism you NEVER proved them . You were just concocting things to appear intelligent. I pity those you are deceiving.
Telling us repeatedly here that he cannot do it is rather a shame on you because you guys make so much noise about proof. How come you suddenly believe what you have not proved? Shame on you. If you say he cannot do it pls prove it for us and stop blabbing. We wont accept changing the post in the middle of the game. No way. Wayo man and his useless atheism.

Segehvoice:
Can someone clearify this biblically,if truely there is hellfire then what happens to the people that were destroyed by flood in the days of Noah

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When Jesus died he went and preached to their spirit that they might be liberated. Here is the biblical account -
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1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 3:19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water..