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raumdeuter:
This is another brand of foolishness. Will Xavi and Zidane win matches alone without guys who put the ball in the net? Maybe we should say they are less useful since theyre not strikers

Xavi and Zidane dont score bucket loads either

What does Iniesta do better than Cazorla?

So you mean if I bring Iniesta to Arsenal, he will just be another nobody in World football?

ArrowAssassin1:
Obesity

You ran away last time. If you can show me the season that Iniesta assisted 37 goals for Barca as you claimed, I will send you £1000 this Salah. If you cannot show me, send me just £100.

Agreed?

sinizia:
Bro, creativity alone won't win you matches. A good team needs someone as creative as Modric as well as someone that gives you 20+ goals a season like Lampard. When Vidic and Co marked Drogba out, Lampard popped up with the equalizer. Such players serve as goal threats and help reduce the burden on the CFs. Goals win you matches, creativity helps carve out spaces and incisive passes to break down teams. Football is not a one way lane. Different players bring different attributes to footie. Maldini doesn't have the shot power, free-kick ability or speed of Roberto Carlos, but he had his own defensive powers that made him stood the test of time.

This is what they don't get. Without the niggas that actually win football matches, Iniesta would just be another Cazorla. I don't see what he does different to Cazorla on the football pitch.

homesteady:
Ibime look, you need to pause and take a break! Take a deep breath
You are talking to the wrong person, this is not part of our argument!

I hope you are not feigning temporal insanity to run away from our argument because I am not understanding!

What is your argument, that Dani Alves has more assists than Lampard bar Carling Cup?

homesteady:
It seems like your obesity has made you to run out of breath and you are now seeing double
I asked you how Lampard was voted by over 200 coaches and you are giving me another story!!

Leave all that pedantic story.

Do you have £100 for me?

Dani Alves assists vs Lampard. If you like you can substitute Iniesta for Alves, or any other Barca player not named Messi.

Please don't disappear like fart of leprous witch.

raumdeuter:
So now 2 players Messi and Xavi made the team of 11 become the best team but Messi hasnt changed Argentia to the best team

Messi was the one who won World cup 2010 for Spain, Messi was the one who won Euro 2012 for Spain.

Xavi was the one who won 2015 treble

You better kill the obesity before the Obesity does something bad to you

Messi, Xavi and the combined brilliance of the rest of them.

Iniesta, Silva, Busquets, Cazorla, Alonso, David Villa etc are all 8.5/10 players - that is the combined brilliance.

Xavi is 10/10 and Messi is 20/10.

wonlasewonimi:
What is it with Ibimes weight that raumdeuter keep harping about. He is not overweight based on his his last pic I saw. Where is the obesity coming from?

It's an urban legend like Pa Ramuzakis amoeba head.

airmark:
You beat me to it. You will see the 'up barka ' fan will disappear like oponu raumdeuter's fart.

raumdeuter:
Iniesta was fortunate to play in the best team in the world
Valdez was fortunate to play in the best team in the world
Busquets was fortunate to play in the best team in the world
Pique was fortunate to play in the best team in the world
Pedro was fortunate to play in the best team in the world
Alba was fortunate to play in the best team in the world

So who were the players that made the best team in the world? Fabregas?

Xavi and Messi, plus the combined brilliance of the rest of them.

homesteady:
But Lampard has been? FIFA currently have 211 members and I'm not sure they were up to that when Lampard won it! So how also did you come to the conclusion that he was voted by over 200 coaches?

Yes Lampard has been voted 2nd best player in the world clown. You need to leave your UP BARKA world and enter the real world. No wonder you were trying to compare Dani Alves assists to Lampards. You don't know whats going on in the world outside of UP BARKA.

Do you have £100 for me?

ArrowAssassin1:
Dude, Iniesta has won 29 titles in life, and has more titles than any player has ever won. (Even Pele de Nascimento has no chills on him) He also holds the record for highest assists in a season (37) and many other records man. Watch iniesta to know iniesta.

These are the kinds of myth people propagate to add to the legend.

Arrowassassin, if you can show me any season where Iniesta made 20 assists for Barca in laliga, much less 37, I will change my moniker to IniestaisGod.

Debroslink:
Ogbeni, swerve if you have nothing to say. Your guy went to pad up carling cup stats as if we care about it.

It's only in ur pathetic league that Liverpool will call FA cup, carling cup and Europa cup a TREBLE.

Pull out Dani Alves league stats only, lets pull Lampard and stake £100 on it.

raumdeuter:
"Mourinho is barely good - Ibime

Pep brought something new to footall after Mourinho and Benitez almost destroyed it

Mourinho and Benitez will play 2 legs of CL knockout and hardly will you get 2 goals over 180mins, Everyone thought thats the only way to be succesful in football. It started inpiring tools like Allardyce and Pulis to think of ways to destroy the beauty of the game

It was when Pep came and destroyed all of them with scintillating attacking football that the new generation of coaches started to see that you can win playing attacking, Parking the bus is for cowards like Mourinho who spend 500M to play like Stoke city

That was until I saw Pep spend £180m in one summer to get trashed by Leicester.

I am seasoned in football and have learned to appreciate football in totality, not just the glitz and glamourous ninny side. Simples.

Debroslink:
Read my post from the scratch. Ibime called Iniesta unproductive, I asked him to show me Lampard's assists in all European finals he's played in his career.

I'm still waiting.

What are you waiting for? Is goals not part of productivity? Your boy is dragging goal record with John Terry and you are here making noise.

Honestly, I dont see the difference between Iniesta and Santi Cazorla if not for God.

I am trying to think what Iniesta would do different to Cazorla if he played for a Chelsea or Arsenal to give him a higher status than Cazorla. He would dribble (like Cazorla), play sumptuous possession footie (like Cazorla), assist at the same rate as Cazorla, and score at the same rate as John Terry. Then finish trophyless like Cazorla; and have the same status as Cazorla.

Next time Cazorla see Iniesta he should ask him which branch of Winners Chapel he attends that made his case different.

raumdeuter:
For clarity

www.nairaland.com/attachments/4599742_ibime2_jpeg765ca5842465e9562c16daaaf2640a07

When I told you the Ibime pre obesity is way more rational and sensible than the post obesity one. People who joined recently met the Obese one who reasons exactly like airmark

You can keep digging all you want from 7 years ago Raumdeuter. If you like dig the ones where I used to hate Drogba style of play.

I am seasoned in football and have learned to appreciate football in totality, not just the glitz and glamourous ninny side. That's the difference between a boy and a man.

Just like Raumdeuter told us he hates attacking football in the past hence his love for Juventus and Bayern, now sùcking Pep dïck lauding his attacking football everyday like a disciple.

raumdeuter:
Its a pity you guys who just joined are seeing Ibime in this state. Ibime used to be sensible before but since he started gaining weight fat tissues have taken over

The same Ibime who on Saturday was saying Pep had no input in Barca beating Man Utd twice under Feruson used to say this

That is because Fergie was stewpid enough not to park the bus in 2009 final (like he did in 2008 semi), not because he had better players than Pep. Duh!

Debroslink:
If you agree that Lampard has zero assists in all European final games he's played in his career, how dare you compare him with his Master Iniesta who is the king of assists in major European club final games?

Lampard has 50% goal ratio in UCL finals.

Tell us why John Terry has more career goals than Iniesta.

Debroslink:
Stop padding your stats with calling cup games. Show us Lampard's assist in the league, and compare with Dani's stats.

Do you want to put money on it?

homesteady:
Well like you said earlier, What matters is what over 200+ coaches voted on, which tells us Iniesta shyts on Lampard!

Besides haven't you been reading of how Barcelona's midfield has been struggling since Iniesta's injury, and how when he came back, he magically fixed it? Modric was running circles during El Classico, but when Iniesta entered, he disappeared like the fart of a leprous Witch?

Iniesta has never been voted 2nd best player in the world by over 200 coaches.

Barca is struggling because Andre Gomes is the biggest 419 in World football today bar John Stones.

It is a fact that players from successful teams win awards sometimes undeservedly. My argument against Boateng was that despite playing for perhaps the most successful sides of the last 4 years, he is so rubbish, no one even nominate him.

I am trying to think what Iniesta would do different to Cazorla if he played for a Chelsea or Arsenal to give him a higher status than Cazorla. He would dribble (like Cazorla), play sumptuous possession footie (like Cazorla), assist at the same rate as Cazorla, and score at the same rate as John Terry. Then finish trophyless like Cazorla. What can he do different than Cazorla that would make him lauded in football if not for playing with the best players? Tell me he does not serve a Living God. It is by Grace. His case is different.

homesteady:
With zilch goal and maybe 1 assist, he won Euro 2012 player of the tournament! He wasn't the DM or CM of the team, he was the AM, and AM's are more associated with creativity! Doesn't this mean that your definition or whoever's definition you are referring to is faulty?

Thank you for letting us know how unproductive he was at Euro 2012.

Iniestas case is a case of talent meets opportunity. Opportunity to play in the best sides in the world.

If Iniesta played for sides like Arsenal or Chelsea, I don't see how his status would be higher than Santi Cazorla, with productivity worse than John Terrys.

Emaprince:
You for ask am how the NO 1 take be a BIG LIE. That Lampard never scored in a champions league final?

Debroslink is an "Up Barka" fan that lives in Barka world only. Just because Dani Alves hit 100 assists for Barca this year, and totally shyts on Iniesta, he thought he can bring him up against Lampard. I wonder what world he lives in not to know that Lampard is one of the alltime assist Kings.

homesteady:
I knew this day would come very soon

Ibime Keep posting useless stats. UEFA and FIFA will take them into consideration and restate awards that 200 coaches voted on.

When we talk about Iniesta, we are talking about a MOTM in a Worldcup, UEFA euros and UCL final! Best player in Europe, 7 times FIFPRO 11, 5 times UEFA 11 and many more!

We are not talking about awards or even all-around quality here. We are talking about creativity.

If you are talking about award, when you can show us Iniesta being voted the 2nd best player in the world, then we can talk.

The crux of the matter is, going by Afrodoc definition of creativity as below, is Iniesta not an unproductive and uncreative player?

We sent a centre-back John Terry to show how unproductive Iniesta is. Your "Up Barka" niggas tried to send Dani Alves to contest Lampard and he failed miserably. Next time, send Messi.

afrodoc2:
If contributing few goals and fewer assists is creative then yes he is creative

Griffon:
Mikel didn't play any part in that win, so what is the towel for?

I see Kenedy in the background.

Arsenal done draw their husband.

Debroslink:
Number 1 is a BIG LIE

Is it true that Dani Alves has more assists than Lampard?

Lampard 183 Club assists vs Dani Alves 134 club assists.

Just because Dani Alves totally shyts on the unproductive and uncreative Iniesta, don't think you can put him up against his oga.

Debroslink:
Number 1 is a BIG LIE

Is it true that Dani Alves has more assists than Lampard?

FALSE! FALSE! FALSE!

Give us Dani Alves stats!

Feel free to stake money on it also.

Debroslink:
True.

Is it true that Lampard couldn't register an assist in all his European final matches in his whole career?

True. But it is also true that Lampard scored in 1/2 of the European finals he played in.

Is it true that John Terry has more career goals than Iniesta?

Debroslink:
What kind of blasphemy is this this Salah day nitori Olorun?

Ibime, you are warned.

I'm just following Afrodocs definition of creativity:

afrodoc2:
If contributing few goals and fewer assists is creative then yes he is creative

Is it true that Iniesta went a full calendar year in La Liga without a single goal or assist?

bigkesh:
Everyone knows I rate Pedro over Willian but when it comes to tight spaces,keeping possession and build up play Willian is better

You are right, Willian is great at keeping the flow of the game - exchanging passes with teammates, build up play etc.

But creativity is concerned with the creation of goals and assists, something Willian knows nothing about. . . . just like that other unproductive nigga, Iniesta!!

Pedro is far more creative than Willian.

Willian is only better at keeping possession and playing tikitaka with teammates without penetrating.

Willian is like Iniesta - an unproductive nigga!

Chelseafan1:
12 points more to go.

Cc Lana1 and Chrisley024

I'm with you on this train. . . on to the next one!

pkasso:
Pep is a rich man's Marcelo Bielsa. It's not surprising he has copied most of his ideas on pressing and attacking football. If El Loco had the same quality of players, he would also win loads of trophies.

FRAUDIOLA!