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The FG is meeting it's obligations much better than the States.

I would rather FG was my employer than have the state as my employer.

agrovick:
Watch him twist out of this one, egbon na catfish. He no dey die easy.

BTW, How come Ballack couldn't drag Germany out of the group stage during Euro 2004. One of their matches happened to be a goalless draw with LATVIA?

cc A40, Raumdeuter

Ask Raumdeuter why Ballack couldn't help Germany from finishing bottom of their group in Euro 2000 also.

Ballack is one of those AMs they said was better than Lampard until Lampard started bullying him in UCL and until they played together in the same team for 4 years for us to know that shoe get size.

A40:
I no know when Nihilist turn my P.R.O/Media Manager wey e dey speak for me


Andres Iniesta. Productive does not make you best. Jay Z has the highest Number 1 albums but I doubt most rap purists have him as the #1 rapper.

Man U fan should not be questioning Iniesta. His greatness encompasses Spain and Barca. Of course there were years he won awards he didn't deserve but if you watch Euro 08, 2012 and the CL Finals against you lot, you would understand why he is better than Lampard and why it took ninjas like Ballack without the gaudiest of stats to help Lampard smell a CL Final. Which brings me to the next ninja

Michael Ballack. How unlucky can one human being get. Its not just that he helped his teams to multiple Finals for club and country. Its the lack of talent he had to work with to get that far. Ibime seems fixated on club records so let me fixate on country where Ballack with 8 fewer caps scored 13 more goals. Bear in mind over 30% of Lampard's goals as usual came from the spot

Leading his team to CL, Euro and World Cup Finals. Is it beans?

Make I smoke some Tical bring up some more

When the question was first posed, we were hearing names like Kaka, Ballack, Sneijder, Deco etc. Nobody mentioned Iniestas name because we all know that if you are talking of AM, Iniesta does not follow.

You better stick to the party line that Iniesta is a CM so you can claim he is a better midfielder. I will let you get away with that, but don't cross the line into AM conversation.

I don't know any AM with less career goals than John Terry, or any AM that can go a full calendar year with ZERO goals and ZERO assists. Such person must be playing a different position, not AM.

Real Madrid should just bring £60m for Courtois. They've been chasing and unsettling that nigga for the last 3 years.

Nihilist remember we spoke about Gabigol in the summer and I said that nigga is Brazilian version of Andros Townsend or just another Hulk.

Oboy that nigga is flopping hard at Inter o.

A40:
This is megedefegede.

Ballack is a versatile bad man who dropped back so stats hog Lampard can take the glory. Nothing wrong with that. Ballack dragged the likes of Jens Nowotny, Carsten Ramelow and co. to World cup and CL Finals. What does he have to prove to a Lampard who was struggling to get past Skrtel and co at almost 30. Never mind at country level.

Ballack merely had the unique misfortune of not being born 5 years later to play with a more talented German side otherwise who born Lampard?

You must be smoking otapiapia. Skrtel joined Liverpool in 2008 after which Chelsea never faced Liverpool in UCL again.

I know who couldn't get past Skrtel though. Sneijder! Skrtel and co flogged him 5-0!

See your mouth like Ballack helped Lampard get to UCL final. When Lampard was scoring 3 goals in that semifinal to see Chelsea through, did Ballack assist one? Or is it Ballack that helped Lampard to assist Ramires in 2012 all the way from Leverkusen?

My friend sharrap! Ballack came to London to fetch water for Lampard. You are lucky that I am one of the few that give Ballack props. Most Chelsea fans consider him a failure given Chelsea stopped winning the league as soon as he arrived.

The Bayern team you claimed were weak in 2005, who were their key midfielders? Was it not Ballack and Schweinsteiger? Yet Lampard was bullying them all over Europe. How can they be weak on one hand, yet on the other hand have two of Germany's all-time great midfielders . . . who Lampard used to piss on in UCL despite having solid niggas like Ze Roberto, Lucio, Lizarazu, Khan, Sagnol, Lucio, Hargreaves etc alongside them. You mean Ballack could not drag those niggas past Lampard when he was whipping their arse disgracefully. . . yet you are making noise that he dragged Carsten Ramelow to World Cup final.

Abeg who did Germany play in that World Cup, was it not Paraguay, USA and South Korea that Carsten Ramelow himself is better than all their players?. . . Keep making noise about Ballack dragging a whole Germany past South Korea whilst Lampard is flogging him all over UCL, and he is fetching water for Lampard in London.

A40:
Drogba must also be better than Shevchenko going by your apoche cra cra logic

Deco was past it when you bought him. He had already won everything to be won in elite Europe at his peak. Ballack was a key member of that Chelsea squad so only you know where you cooked up that megedefegede. It was thanks to the addition of midfielders like Ballack that Lampard with his 1,000,000,000 goals finally got to taste a CL Final

The top AMs stay in AM position.

Ballack went from top rated European AM to playing Didier Deschamps (water carrier) role behind Lampard, even though he did it very well, na still water carrier behind the main AM.

afrodoc2:
To have a good debate between the 2 of you we should at least have terms of reference. Lampard went 10 straight seasons from 2003/2004 to 2012/2013 in which he scored double figures in the league. So we start by using that time frame, 2003 to 2013
The onus is on Ibime to prove that in that time frame 2003 to 2013 Lampard was the best attacking midfielder overall while A40 should show us another attacking midfielder whose performance over that period was better overall than Lampard's

He can't. I've told him to count the years other AMS outproduced Lampard and he can't.

I'm even pretty sure that from 2003 to 2010, Lampard was the top scoring plus assisting midfielder every single year. Only one of those years I'm not 100% sure of.

A40:
A player who takes 50sumn penalties at his club already puts other niggas at a disadvantage. I brought a stat and I noticed you been pim about am. How come Lampard even with his shitload of penalties cannot outscore Kaka who played fewer games in elite Europe

Lmao. This your Mr Ibu analysis ehn. What did Schillaci and Lineker achieve for club? Did they drive their clubs to trebles like Sneijder?

My friend sharrap.

The Deco you mentioned came to London to carry Lampards bags. Prior best European AM Michael Ballack also came to London to fetch water for him. Any AM you name including Sneijder would come to carry water for Lampard because none of em can put together the below, year after year, season after season.

Ibime:
We are talking of a nigga with 273 club career goals, something elite strikers will kill for.

If a striker scores 20 goals a season, it will take him almost 14 seasons to achieve that.

Assists is 184. It would take an elite midfielder 12 years of 15 assists per season to get close to that.

Put respek on the name, simples.

A40:
You no get point. Stop comparing Dahlin's feats to Sneijder's its a very poor example

We are not saying Lampard was not a great in his own right. We are saying he was not the best and was not an elite AM for over a decade, not even close. And even in his adjudged prime there were AM's that went above and beyond his contributions especially at elite level. For club never mind country

Yet I gave you 10 years within which to find 4 years where he was outproduced by other AMs and you can't find it. Continue.

You are the type of nigga that waits every 4 years to tell us who the best players in the world are, while the rest of us follow week in, week out. I wont be surprised to hear you say Squillaci was the best striker in the world in 1990 or Gary Lineker in 1986.

A40:
Ibime. Oghene me. Se e fe pa wa pelu zobo ni?

You just dey bobo us dey go I dey look I no talk

Did Dahlin finish joint top scorer or win a European treble in 94?

Martin Dahlin killed 1994 World Cup along with that fat boy Thomas Brolin.

My point is stop telling us about one season wonders and ephemeral successes of come-and-go players. That is why we mentioned the word decade.

A40:
Did the same what? You mean James dragged Colombia to a WC Final and won a treble in the same year abi what is the meaning of this dangbana comparison?

I don't know when you would stop bombarding us with zobo. Where did you see Sneijder taking on Lyon while at Madrid? He spent just two seasons with them and they lost to Roma and Liverpool (Sneijder missed both legs vs Roma) I don't know when lies are going to finish from that your mouth.

I hope Sneijder was not part of the infamous 5-0 hammering at Liverpool that you lot told us about?

Is that someone we should take seriously? Someone only known for one season, and who has spent his prime years stinking up the Turkish League to the point Galatasaray want him gone.

Abeg talk better thing. Infact we should hail James Rodriguez more because he only needed to get to Quarter final to cop the golden boot.

Why not tell us how Ratchenko or Martin Dahlin killed 1994 World Cup since you ignore year round, season after season performance and focus only on one month of football every 4 years

A40:
What team award did Lampard win in his prime that Sneijder didn't?

Sneijder topped a CL assist chart

Was a joint top scorer at a WC, Golden Ball runner up, Treble winner

Lampard never achieved any of that in his century of dominance

My friend close your mouth. James Rodriguez did the same thing. Should we dobale for him?

Sneijder is only known for one season. Before that, Lyon used to knock him out every 2nd round. After that, what he does in Ankara or Istanbul does not consign us.

That same season sef, Lampard collected 27 goals and 20 assists. Leave matter.

And if Deco top assist chart in UCL, how does that consign Lampard? Is it not the same Deco that came to Stamford Bridge to carry his bags for him? What if Deco made 6 assists, and zero goals but Lampard made 4 assists and 5 goals? Should we go solely off assists chart because A40 said so? Did FIFA look at assist chart alone and vote Deco 2nd best WPOTY behind Ronaldinho?

bigkesh:
Mathematician sir,how many years will it take an Iniesta to achieve all these?

A40:
Ewo ni top producing midfielder ti Iwo n so? Did he win Golden Boot?

Isn't it AM's like him Sneijder & Mueller that topped scorer's chart at a WC

Didn't Kaka top a scorer's chart? and an assists chart in the CL?

Didn't Sneijder do same?

Deco nko?

Abeg bone story.

Gimme a nigga that is in the top 5 of such charts every season than a nigga who did it once and spent the years after that dodging ISIS bombs in Istanbul. . . . and the years before that getting knocked out by Lyon every 2nd round.

A40:
Lampard has taken over 50 penalties so that skews scoring stats to his advantage by default

Take away the 50 penalties and see if anyone comes close.

We are talking of a nigga with 273 club career goals, something elite strikers will kill for.

If a striker scores 20 goals a season, it will take him almost 14 seasons to achieve that.

Assists is 184. It would take an elite midfielder 12 years of 15 assists per season to get close to that.

Put some respek on the name please.

A40:
Lampard has never topped any CL assist list or at any major tournament. I respect Lamps a lot but you dey hype am too much

Lampard was the top producing midfielder in Euro 2004 (goals + assists) and the top producing midfielder in UCL from 2004 to 2012.

A40:
Lampard's last season of continental relevance was 11/12. Me I no know wetin una dey faa gun reach 13/14. Ibime sef say since 2002. Abeg younger ones dey follow this forum make we no go mislead them. I have to nitpick when both of you are involving hyperbole.

I give him consistency but even in his period of greatness at club level there were players who dominated at a much higher level albeit for shorter periods. Lampard's peak at best was from 04/05-11/12 not the decade wey una dey bandy

His peak started in 03/04 so add another year.

It is safe to say that if you took a decade of his career and looked at the top producing AMs season by season, he will be no1 more than 50% of the time, while no one else will make it more than once.

In my language, that's what we call "Head and Shoulders above the competition".

A40:
You said over a decade. That was your first error. 02-11 is not a decade never mind over a decade.

Secondly Lampard did not become an elite AM till 03/04 or probably 04/05. Lmao 2002? Maybe you are talking about EPL sha because he was still a non entity in Europe at that time

Thirdly we had midfielders in that timeframe who significantly outshone Lampard in multiple seasons

Stop kidding yourself nigga.

I doubt you can find 4 seasons between 2002 and 2012 where Lampard did not outproduce every other AM on planet earth. At least 6-7 of those years he was the top scorer+assister combined if not 8 or 9 of them.

A40:
Over a decade? Why not over a century. You won't cool down with this burnt dodo you keep serving us. That statement doesn't even hold at club level never mind Internationally

That statement holds. Lampard is the top performing AM from 2002 - 2011 which is 10 seasons.

Muller is his heir from 2011-2016.

Those are my two top AMs over the last 15 years. Every other talk na wash.

A40:
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Lampard, Scholes, Carrick would not outshine Xavi, Pirlo e.t.c even if you gave them 9 months. Abinibi yato si ability

Dont get carried away and start comparing Apples and Oranges. Keep your comparison between CMs and DMs. We cannot compare Muller to Xavi.

Lampard outshined each and every single AM in the world for over a decade.

Okocha, you were not 34 when you retired, your real age was close to 40.

The last 3 years before you retired, you were running like pregnant woman.

raumdeuter:
Vidal. People can dream sha. Hope you get double of the Oscar money

Vidal wey just spend 1 full season for Bayern na him you wan take.

We don't want that old man Vidal, just send us Joshua Kimmich. Sebi Ancelotti no dey use am for now.

Stalwert:
So they should use the black market rate? Many bear parlor analysts in nairaland

You are the "beer" parlour analyst here my friend. You can't even spell beer.

The black market rate is the real exchange rate as determined by demand and supply. For all intents and purposes, no one can access Forex at the CBN rate anyway, so we are using the black market rate. So yes, they should use the black market rate.

How can any FDI flow into the country when investors transfer money in at $/#305 but can only repatriate profits made in Nigeria at $/#490. That means you lose 30+% of your money as soon as you decide to do Business in Nigeria. Tell Buhari to take his hands off the Naira and let it find it's natural level. Like Sanusi said, who will invest in a country with 5 different exchange rates?

Chelsea better not think about signing James. I go seriously vex.

sebod:
No sir! I only meant he's get more experienced and better as the years roll by. So, I wouldn't be surprised if in the next few years he declares Lampard the Barca Killer a fraud since Iniesta was once his best player

Fixed. From now on, all "Up Barka" boys should reference Lampard the Barca Killer by his proper nomenclature

Nihilist:
Mass media for young adults. Like an upmarket ladbible.

They even have a channel on SKy.

You and Coogar don blow. Better call Arif to calculate the royalties

Nihilist:
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/get-rich-or-die-typing-the-world-of-textcee-rappers-forum-cop

ibime and coogar actually getting namedropped on VICE!

Wetin be vice? Na crime website?

Debroslink:
As a coach, when you see the UCL trophy or world cup trophy in front of you in 'winner takes it all' match, who would you have in your midfield to supply the assist?

Iniesta or Lampard

As a coach, I know ZERO goals and ZERO assists can not even get me to the final if not for the sweat of others.

Debroslink:
That's the beauty of MSN. Before MSN, Iniesta provided up to 15 to 20 assists per season. When MSN came, your job is to maintain possession in midfield and allow MSN to finish things up upfront.

However, when things become complex such as UCL finals or El Clasico, Iniesta takes the mantle as the Lord of creativity.

Iniesta provide wetin?

Even then, his assist ratio was not phucking with Dani Alves, much less Lampard.

bykebyke:
It's football,What works for A might not work for B.

You get the kind of players that suit your team.
You want a Lampard type of midfielder you get him.
You want an Iniesta type you get him.
You want a Modric type you get him.

There are different profiles for midfielders...and midfielders like Iniesta who do not have the kind of stats that makes you want your team to drop 50million on their head in the summer are not your type..I get it.

But to constantly berate him to make it seem like he does nothing on the pitch with Zero goals and Zero assists is quite insulting.

We were here when Iniesta was begging Guardiola to teach him how to score goals and make assists.

It's not due to any megedefegede, it's simply down to the fact that he no fit.

bykebyke:
*sighs*

Where do I start from?

When did goals and assists become the only thing about football?
Have the Squawkas and WhoScored of this world blinded us to the extent that football is now about just goals and assists?

Do you think we Barcelona fans do not see Iniesta's stat?
Do we complain about it?
No.
Why?
Because we know there is more to his game than scoring goals or giving assists.

Currently,for Barcelona's midfield to function properly..It needs a 33year old Iniesta to be fully fit.

The MSN you are thanking God for requires Iniesta to function properly.

Iniesta just recently came back from injury,and during his absence Barcelona played their worst football this season,with our midfield getting exposed left,right and centre,plus a stüpid coach who could not fix it.

Now he is back and Barcelona is also back,our players who were out of form,Busquets especially,are also now playing well.
Because Iniesta has returned with his associative play.

I'm 100% sure you watch Iniesta at least once or twice a season,then when it's time for you to begin your hate on him,you go to WhoScored to check his goals and assists tally but ignoring the football he played.

Do you think ZERO GOALS and ZERO ASSISTS can win anything for a club like Chelsea? Is it Salomon Kalou and Malouda that will provide them?

It is only in Barca you type this kind of rubbish, because you have the luxury of doing so.