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Debroslink:
It's a fact that Barcelona underachieved when Fabregas was with us. When he left, Barca soared from glory to glory. That's to tell you that there's something Iniesta does that superceeds whatever assists that Fabregas provided.

Fab wasn't a super hit @ Barca despite his goals and assists.

Fab left because he wasn't mobile enough, not because of no phucking contribution.

Barcelona underachieved in that period because Messi and Pedro went down a little bit, Suarez was not there, Xavi lost his ankles etc.

WTF did Iniesta do to contribute? Nothing!

He waited for MSN to come and carry him along again.

Iniesta always waits for go-getters to come and carry him along. Never compare him to real difference makers in terms of production.

Nihilist:
I personally just get irritated when people bandy stats about without understanding what football is about.

Barca don't throw through balls about upandan. They are very patient with the ball. Often times, the ball goes through a long sequence of passes before it finds its way into the net. There's no rush to 'create chances'. The chances will come

What Iniesta and Xavi do..is control the tempo.

I'm sure many of you here will remember how Ibime was shouting how wanted Schweinsteiger back in the day...that's a man who used to average 4 league assists per season.

Will Ibime say he was vociferously advocating for an 'unproductive nigga'?

I mean come on...between 2010 and 2015 Pirlo registered 13 league assists on one occasion...the rest of the time he was averaging 4-5 assists per season

Of course, they will tell you that it was a deep position blah blah...but the fact of the matter is...most of the time players like Iniesta and co are not the ones that release the final ball.

They control the game and assist the assister.

I find it extremely idiotic that anybody will look at the highly decorated captain of the greatest club football team ever...and say he is unproductive

The only people allowed to say that are lobotomised zombies or people who don't understand football.

The big difference is that Schweinsteiger and Pirlo play in the pivot/DM so comparison holds no water.

Iniesta controlling the tempo is bollocks - an excuse not to be productive. Busquets and Xavi control the tempo, not Iniesta.

Take Iniesta out that team and the tempo is still overly controlled. It does not need Iniesta.

Barca never lost one percentage of possession or tempo if they took out Iniesta and brought in Seydou Keita.

The DMs control tempo, the AMs produce. That is the way of football.

sleekdot:
You are just disgracing yourself

WHen Fabregas went to Barca he played a lot as one of the front 3. That was when he was even tried as a false 9. where he scored most of his goals for Barcelona

You are the one with the pictures on position. Please show us how many games Fabregas played as false 9 in 2014 when he scored 15 goals.

sleekdot:
How did you discredit it when Its known that Iniesta played most of his time as a CM in Barcelona with Xavi and Busquets playing as a DM

Hahahaha. Desperation!

2 DMs and a CM. . . all because Iniesta can't produce.

Even in a team that camp in opponents half all game. Diaris Goduuuooo!!!

From now on any nigga who can't produce with 2 DMs behind him should just claim he is a CM . . . all expectations will be lifted from him.

To protect him from any expectations of producing the goods, Iniesta keeps disappearing deeper into the midfield like Homer Simpson.

When Fabregas went to Barca, did he go there and claim Barca already have 3 scorers so he will not score or assist?

No! He simply went there and scored 15, 14 and 13 goals in consecutive seasons with 12 assists or more per season.

Yet one clown is trying to convince us Iniesta is a defensive midfielder. Are Xavi and Busquets carrying water behind him? GTFOH!

sleekdot:
WHo are the 3 scorers that Lampard played with while in his Chelsea days

Iniesta played with Dinho-Etoo-Guily and the others I listed till MSN

Name the 3 scorers Lampard played behind in Chelsea

Lets start the analysis if you have time.

Iniesta played more as the CM in Barca

Stop posting old pictures thats been discredited.

I hate going over old shyte with you.

By force you want to make us believe that Iniesta is a defensive player. Desperation!

Ludovic Guily and Pedro are strikers in Barca just because of Iniesta.

Anelka and Kalou are wingers at Chelsea but would be strikers at Barca. . . just because of Iniesta.

What does the number of goals scored by Barca front 3 have to even do with the fact that Iniesta is an AM? When Ancelotti brought ultra-attack and DD scored 33 goals, and Anelka and Malouda scored close to 20 each. . . did Lampard say he wiuld stop contributing because the front 3 are scoring? No. . . he simply contributed 47 goals+assists himself.

Imagine even comparing output of a Barca attacking midfielder that camps in opponent half to Lampard who plays in his own half and scores and assists mostly on counterattacks.

I know it's paining you but I did not call Iniesta attacking midfielder. His own league did. Suck it up and GTFOH.


Iniesta: La Liga's Best Attacking Midfielder: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013,2014

sleekdot:
Both Iniesta and Xavi were Central midfielders for Barca with Busquets being the DM

And I have just shown that Iniesta had more assists than Xavi for Barca

Nigga stop lying!

I only know one CM at Barca and that is Xavi.

I also know one AM and that is Iniesta.

Classify it how you wish, if you like call him left-back. He is the attacking one of a 3 man midfield just like Lampard.

Or is this not what one Barcalite posted to show Iniestas success?

bykebyke:
La Liga's Best Attacking Midfielder: 2009, 2011, 2012, 2013,2014.

Meanwhile for Xavi:

La Liga's Best Midfielder: 2009, 2010, 2011

sleekdot:
Which 365 days time frame did Iniesta not make a goal and an assist in all comeptition for Barcelona

Lets do some fact checking and not just spouting some half truths

Waiting sir

Must you stoop so low to defend an AM of Iniestas calibre.

Iniesta went over 365 days in the league with zero goals and zero assists!!!

Is that not already shameful enough for someone of that stature . . . yet you feel the need to argue he may have got one or two assists in Copa Del Rey to hide his shame. What desperation!

sleekdot:
Ribery for most of his career at Bayern played as a left winger. Iniesta for most of his career played as a CM

Huge difference

Muller plays as an AM and contributes 40-50 goals and assists a season.

You claimed Muller, Robben and Lewa are the 3 scorers and Iniesta is more like Ribery who doesnt need to score because others are scoring.

If Iniesta can't do what Muller does in his fellow CAM position, tell us why he doesn't do what Ribery does going by your submission.

If he is not Muller and he is not Ribery, who is he? Javi Martinez?

sleekdot:
For Barcelona
Xavi career total 58 goals 113 assists

Iniesta career total 53goals 128 assists

So what exactly is your point

Xavi is not the attacking midfielder of the two.

Xavi assisted double digits almost every year at his peak from the deep position which is good as gold.

Tell me why a so called attacking midfielder is competing with Sergio Ramos and John Terry for productivity?

Debroslink:
Iniesta scores classic goals and assists in classic matches.

Lampard?

Give me a guy who can guarantee me goals and assists in UCL finals and world cup finals, and I'll say he's better than a player who can't lift his nation in 10 years and has to rely on an old Drogba to give him a UCL medal.

That's the difference between a good and a great player.

Nonsense! When has Iniesta ever guaranteed something called goals and assists?

Iniesta playing with old Drogba will get knocked out in 2nd round.

If Iniesta dare play for Chelsea, Chelsea will not even be competing in latter stages of UCL semis and finals like Lampard carried Chelsea to.

In 2014, with no Suarez and Messi slightly below par, what did Iniesta contribute to prevent Barca going trophyless? Soon as the burden fell on Iniesta to produce something in the absence of the forwards, he contributed zero goals and zero assists.

Don't compare someone who gets carried along to a difference maker.

Lampard scored in 2008 UCL final. That is someone who guarantees goals in finals, not Iniesta who has been to numerous finals and never scored.

He scored 3 goals in UCL semi 2008.

He scored 3 goals to knock out Bayern in UCL QF 2005.

He assisted in 2012 UCL semi final to knock out Barca at Camp Nou.

Dont mention Iniesta and Lampard in the same sentence when it comes to goals and assists.

While Lampard is consistently putting his inferior team into semifinals and finals every year with multitude of goals and assists, Iniesta is busy living off his Mario Gotze/ Lars Ricken moment in 2010 against a flagging 10 man Holland team.

Lampard playing for a team like Barca would have 3-4 goals in UCL finals alone by now.

A40:
Wayo Allah!! I thought Myhill was going to play sha. Dan iska

Only positive is breaking into the top 8 for the first time

Omo the way you take slide from relegation to top 8 be like film trick.

Meanwhile defending Champion Raumdeuter just dey fall like stone every week.

A productive attacking midfielder after 365 days of football:

Yet they still found way to put him in FIFPRO11 with no goals, no assists and no trophies. . . . the same lazy people that put David Luiz in FIFPRO11 after chopping 7 goals at Maracana.

Never has a player had to do so little to be lauded as Iniesta.

JigsawKillah:
Since he isn't getting goals, he should be getting assists but I can't see them

Help me ask Sleekdot aka Raumdeuter.

He told us Iniesta is the Ribery of Barca since Bayern already have Muller, Robben and Lewa to score.

At least I know Ribery contributes 20 assists a season when he's fit.

lordfalcao:
is Iniesta so blind or does he always play with cobwebs in his eyes to go a season without seeing goal or assist while ninjas like Dani alves, xavi ET CO have goals/assist upto 2 and above

kiakiakiakiakia.


In 2010 when Ancelotti was playing tiki taka similar to Barcelona, DD scored 33 goals, Malouda and Anelka both scored close to 20 goals each.

Lampard contributed 47 goals+assists.

Yet someone will tell us Iniesta can't assist or score because he already has 3 people in front of him scoring.

Cobweb in his eyes

homesteady:
Did the technical committee of Euro 2008 see a vision of his 2010 worldcup goal before they included him in the team of the tournament?

You must be on something strong to compare entering team of the tournament to winning Player of the Tournament.

Any good player in the winning team will enter team of the tournament. It is a disgrace when when a ninja who contributed zilch at the business end of the pitch takes MOTM award and Player of the tournament and absolutely disrespectful to more-deserving niggas like Xavi who paid the bills and dominated the match.

homesteady:
Is Iniesta more popular than Ronaldo and Messi? Yet he beat them to Euro 2012 best player award!

Did Messi play in Euro 2012? Abeg link me to your supplier. I need some of that kpef.

Where did Portugal finish in that tournament?

homesteady:
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"My team-mates would have an easier life if I always had five men on me," - Iniesta

The nonsense I have heard from Iniesta apologists is taking the piss these days. . . . when a ninja can't produce anything, they start producing any random picture. . . . so this picture shows Iniesta's purpose on the pitch? . . . . all manner of excuses why a nigga can't score or assist. . . . they will tell you he is busy playing left back or dribbling 5 men to take heat off his teammates. . . .abeg make una kuku give Hazard award join. . . must he play for Barca before una crown am?


https://s23.postimg.org/f6ij9kbdz/Hazard_4.jpg

https://s9.postimg.org/u8wlpp9kb/Hazard_3.jpg

homesteady:
We all know that he didn't deserve to be there for the 2014 list, you don't have to keep hammering on it every time just to prove that all his individual awards were won due to his popularity!

Never has a player had to do less to win plaudits than Iniesta. He just needs to sit back, let Messi and co pay the bills and he will surely be nominated for something at the end of the season. If productive ninjas like Lampard and Muller played in his team, they would surely be nominated where Neymar is now because them go scatter goals and assists for that club.

homesteady:
Euro's 2012 player of the tournament -
The 28-year-old – who was man of the match in the final – was selected by a technical committee made up of 11 people.
Whilst the Barcelona star failed to score and set up just one of the Spaniards' goals through the tournament, he won the award for his overall influence and effect on the Spanish attacking play!

This is an example of fake popularity contest. The kind of popularity that made Iniesta enter 2014 FIFPRO11 with no goals, no assists and no trophies.

In 2012 Euro final, Xavi made 2 assists to win the game.

Xavi controlled possession and suffocated Italy to submission.

Yet Iniesta won MOTM.

Was he close to Xavi in that match? Or is it by dribbling and making romantics shout Ole that he won MOTM?

Na that 2010 WC final goal bring Iniesta to the worlds imagination and made him popular to the point where they watch a match and out of laziness pick the most popular player as MOTM. . . in a match where Xavi beasted.

sleekdot:
The one I showed you was a goal that decided a CL semi final what stage was the one you showed?

You must be in dreamland when ninjas told you not to bring up big games.

Kindly remind me how many goals Lampard scored in 2008 UCL semi-final. Thats right. 3 goals ninja!

Kindly remind us how many goals Lampard scored to knock Bayern out of UCL 2005 Quarter final? That's right. 3 goals ninja!

Kindly remind me who scored Chelseas equalising goal in 2008 UCL final. That's right. Lampard.

Kindly remind us who set up the goal that took Chelsea through to 2012 UCL final vs Barca?

Please don't open a book you don't want to open.

Dongorgon5:
Loftus Cheek is Shit
We need to sell Oscar( The Brazilian fraud)
P.S.G Next.

I read report saying part of Abramovics discussions with Conte is to see his plans for RLC.

I don't know why the club the club has to push a particular youngster who isn't hungry when hungrier niggas like Ake, Musonda, Baker and Traore dey there.

Traore does it again.

Baba Nihilist must respect this guy by force.

sleekdot:
You are now misyarning. When Lampard was in the double pivot I am sure he was classified as a CM. When Chelsea played 4-2-3-1. Was Fabregas not part of the double pivot? would you classify Fabregas as a DM?

At Barca either it was Messi-Villa-Pedro, Henry-Etoo-Messi, MSN most times at Barca Iniesta had 3 strikers ahead of him, who were the MSN, MVP, HEM that Lampard had ahead of him.

Most times Lampard played off the striker
Lampard didnt play the same position as Iniesta. Ini was more to the left while Lampard was always ghosting behind the striker. Check Lampard

Below is a typical Lampard heatmap which shows him occupying central position behind the striker

This is a typical Iniesta heatmap which shows he is more to the Left side of midfield

Now your excuses for Iniesta are becoming nauseating!!!!

If Anelka and Kalou play wings for Barca, you would claim they are strikers so Iniesta doesn't have to go forward. Pedro is a striker at Barca but a winger at Chelsea? GTFOH nigga!!!!

Chelsea play 4-3-3, Barca play 4-3-3. Lampard even typically does more defending than Iniesta in that system.

As Nihilist said below:

Nihilist:
Lampard and Iniesta are CMs...Muller is not

Quit making phucking excuses for that unproductive nigga. That Hull match could be the match where we hammered them 8-0.

Like I said, these apologists go soon turn Iniesta into left-back.

If you didn't already know that your graphics is bullshyt, why is Lampard scoring more goals as a CM then as an AM?

sleekdot:
http://www.transfermarkt.com/andres-iniesta/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/7600

Attached is Lampards

And when did Lampard ever play in a position different to Iniesta?

Are they both not the point men in a 4-3-3.

Who played ahead of Iniesta in Barcas 3?

Lampard also spent the last 3 years of his career playing in a pivot, yet they say he only played 3 games in his career as a DM.

Like I said, those graphics are rubbish. Niggas don't know what they are inputting into that graphics to tell us that Iniesta only played 14 games as AM. Meanwhile they can't make up their mind if Lampard who plays exactly the same position is AM or CM so they split him down the middle.

Your graphics is discredited. QED.


Any point man in 4-3-3 putting up John Terry level of productivity should be ashamed of himself.

sleekdot:
Ibime you are starting to not make sense now

The bulk of his matches are from CM. Which season did Iniesta play LW consistently?

https://gfycat.com/SpectacularConcreteHorsechestnutleafminer

https://streamable.com/r5ep

Show the day Hidden Ikedia has done anything close to this all his career

This graphic is nonsense. If Iniesta was playing CM, who was the AM? Xavi?

This graphic takes all the games he played in 3 man midfield and classifies them all as CM when we all know he was the AM of the three. You mean to tell me he only played AM for 14-odd games in his life? Are you serious or having a laugh?

Like I said, una go soon move Iniesta to leftback to justify his lack of production.

Abeg gimme that link make I check where they classified Lampard. Maybe they would tell us he played zero games as AM just because Chelsea play 4-3-3 and not 4-2-3-1 which is all bollocks because an AM is an AM.

Also throughout Henry's injury ridden 3 years, he played left wing in his absence. 65 games mostly in that period gives him 20 games a season.

bigkesh:
Now Barca fans know how it feels when they judging Hazard by stats............
Karma is a bitch



Iniesta is unproductive .....The only AM in the history to go a year without a league goal or assist........
I repeat a year without a league goal OR assists

If Iniesta had played for Chelsea earlier this year when Costa was misfiring, a lot of clowns would have gone to Stamford Bridge to clap the elegance of Iniesta purposely dribbling 3 players . . . . and go home with a 2-0 defeat when he does nothing to win the game.

Another player could have just passed the ball and be on his way to score or assist instead of dribbling to give ninjas visual pórn to gawk over. As for me, I score niggas no points for dribbling unless it's to pop at goal.

Iniesta does not pay the bills. That's why he is competing with John Terry and Sergio Ramos for productivity.

Hazard shares similar traits with Iniesta - two ninjas who people go crazy about for their elegant dribbling, but usually do not pay bills.

Iniesta get luck to dey play for Barca where Solid ninjas pay the bills. If he played for any other club, they would have been questioning his productivity long ago. If na Arsenal he dey, he wouldn't be too far from Alexander Hleb, a nigga who can dribble the world and his mother, look slick while doing it, yet pay no bills. Iniesta should pay his PR agent half his salary, or thank his lucky stars that he produced in one or two seminal moments when the world was watching. How that nigga be named in WPOTY voting severally whilst an all-time great like Xavi be struggling to get on the roster is the 8th wonder of the world.

That year he produced no assist and no goal, no title for Barca, they still found way to put him in FIFPro 11. If that does not tell you such awards are a popularity contest, what else will?

CFCman:
Guys, does anyone think Mikel would still be sold in the Summer? Or will Conte decide to keep him at the Bridge?

That decision will be left to Emenalo but rest assured, Conte will send him to the bench even if Emenalo finds a way to keep him in the squad or even give him new contract.

Mikel will soon be starring in a movie called "12 years a slave substitute."

sleekdot:
If Muller walks into Barca today he would be one of the front 3. Not to play Iniesta role

Pedro was one of the front 3 and scored a lot too

Iniesta played left-forward for almost 50% of Peps reign and for large part of his Barca career. True or False?

How many assists did he make? How many goals did he score?

Because of Iniesta, niggas go soon turn left forward to left-back.

Because of Iniesta, 4-3-3 means all 3 central midfielders are pivot players. Never mind the fact Iniesta is the one tasked with going forward while Xavi and Busquets sit for him.

AM, he no fit assist. Left-forward, he no fit score.

Any position that Iniesta apologists wish to classify him in, Muller will walk into that position and contribute 40-50 goals+assists. Any nigga say different is a liar.

Nihilist:
You don start again

Is there a special advantage to remembering something that can easily be googled?

So if one old man for your street call you, una no fit debate the wonders of Pele?

Pele o

The only props I'll give you is that you dey sample oyibo toto while I was still harassing the housegirl for free quaves

That's why google analyst is different from real analyst.

I can't argue argue with old man about Pele.

Same way you should stop throwing Zidane name up and down.

Most time legends are bigger in their legend than the eye remembers.

Nihilist:
Haba mana...bro I watched France 98 with my elder brothers...

By 1998 I was already known at the local game centre called Baba Seun in PWD ikeja

Bros why wanna be downgrading me because of Iniesta argument?

Every child watched 1998. It doesn't mean you understood what you were watching.

In 1998, I was in Bulgaria watching that match getting ready to phuck some ho's.

Bros you no qualify to gist me about Zidane abeg. I done dey carry woman by the time you dey know who Zidane be.

1997/1998 season, Dayo would tell you of the epic battle between Del Piero and Ronaldo Lima for Serie A title. Every phucking week it was a war. Na Collina give Juve title because he denied Ronaldo clear penalty in the key deciding game and seconds later Del Piero went up and scored the winner. Zidane no be top 5 for Serie A that season.

sleekdot:
Nihilist. What do you think about a signing like Hames Rodriquez when you consider Chelseas needs. Is he a priority signing or just another Luxury signing?

He is an Airmark signing.

A nigga who can't even run 10km per game. Spits.

Nihilist:
By 03 I was already a CFC fan...

It was the period between 1999 and 2001/2 I was supporting them Emile Heskey Neil Lennon and Muzzy Izzet.

Old man!

Even 2001 is a disgrace.

That means you never had your senses till you were 15 or 16.

How could you have understood Zidane's best years if your head been never correct?

Nihilist:
Your arrogance is just outstanding....Who is a 'young nigga'?

I turned 29 in January....I'm not a grandpa, but I'm definitely not a 'young nigga' and I'm old enough to remember watching Zizou live on TV. In fact, I went to my first live game in the UK in 1999. So please, please, please like James Brown....take several seats.

What I've been trying to drum into your coconut head is that numbers are not the only way of measuring 'production' otherwise the likes of Higuain, Lewandowski, Aguero and Co would be shoe-ins every year.

Football is an art. There is no stat invented that can caption the fear the Iniesta puts in his marker when he runs with the ball. What is the stat that captured that Zizou goal against Leverkusen? Just 'Goal Scored' innit? Not a stat for the complexity of the goal. No stat the angle of his hip as he took the Volley. No stat for the importance of the goal. Ditto Iniesta in 2009



Look you cant be voted 2nd, 3rd and 4th player in the world if you are 'unproductive'. You cant captain the greatest team of the modern era if you are 'unproductive'.

There's a reason why Iniesta's arguments by people who are more informed, intelligent, and OLDER than you tend to focus on whether he is the greatest AM after Zidane....

Better pull off your sunshades lest you fall in the gutter...old man

In 2003, you supported Leicester. Could you have your full senses in place by then?

It's either that or your development is slow.

I am only older than you by 3-4 years, yet you have to go back to 1994 to bamboozle my memory.

By 2003, you never even know yourself. Leicester City!!!

sleekdot:
I think they are very different players in different systems

In Barcelona the front 3 at all times were goal scoring machines, thus the midfielders dont have any burden of scoring

Henry-Etoo-Messi, Zlatan--Messi--Pedro, Messi-Villa-Pedro, Messi-Sanchez-Villa or MSN all three were goal machines

While in Bayern version Ribery isnt a great scorer. So the scorers for Pep time at Bayern would be Muller, Robben and Lewandoski others are just to retrieve the ball and send to them. You would see the huge gap in goals between the triumvirate either in Barca or Bayern compared to the rest of the team

All this one na story to protect Iniestas image.

Even when Hleb, Alexis, Pedro etc manned wings, why couldn't Iniesta score or assist.

If Muller walks into Barca today, he scores 25 goals and assists 20. Any nigga that say different is a liar. EOD.

sleekdot:
because they are 2 different type of players

Iniesta plays as a CM in a 4-3-3. Muller plays as an attacker. if you check the heatmaps for both Iniesta and Muller. Hardly would you see Iniesta in the opposition box while Muller always ghosts in behind the main striker

Hence why he is unproductive.

Iniesta has no timing or anticipation of runs which is essential to produce goals for an AM.

Before they told us it is because Pep instructed Iniesta not to make runs into the box or to make the final pass.

Now we are finding out that it is a quality Muller possesses which Iniesta does not have which makes him more productive. . . . not because of any phucking instruction from Pep.

Iniesta begged Pep to teach him these things so he can score and assist more and be more decisive. . . . am I lying or do I need to produce the link where Iniesta went crying to Pep to make him a decisive nigga.

Some niggas have it. Some niggas want it, but can't have it.