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B. J Vance met by Ukraine protestors on his holiday

🚨 BREAKING: After torpedoing yesterday’s meeting with Zelensky, JD Vance fled to Vermont for vacation—only to be met by hundreds of furious protesters.

Couldn’t have happened to a better guy! pic.twitter.com/dv5mVIFeSl

— Chris D. Jackson (@ChrisDJackson) March 1, 2025

basilico:
Are you sure EU countries have given more to Ukraine than Biden did?.
Macron factchecks , were probably for media benefit, maybe the same thing Zelensky wanted . To be praised by media for standing up to Trump?
Trump says $350B, Someone here says $175B ostensibly Trump doubled his figures.

Audit needed

The $119bln was given directly to Ukraine while the difference to $175 bln (now $182bln) was spent directly by the US in Ukraine matters. EU has given more than USA

budaatum:
I'm not seeing any fume by any Brits, so show me please.

She must be living in Dundee

Android17:
Believe them. If everything they've told you has stood the test of time, please believe them. Just remember that 51 former intelligence agents swore that a laptop they had in their possession and knew was real, showed all the earmarks of a Russian disinformation campaign.

Just think of it. They hated Trump so much and wanted him to lose (post 2020 election polls said a significant portion of the democrat voters admitted they'd have changed their votes from Biden to Trump if they knew the laptop was real).

I no need stress this pm where I dey.

But you just said COVID being genetically modified is proven, now you are telling me to give it time. cos nothing come out

Your problem is you are first to every Russian and Maga conspiracy

It becomes affirmed as truth to you when the magaverse picks it up and a massive volume of people start retweeting and believing. Along the way hundreds of those conspiracies are quietly dropped then you hold up the one or two that become widely believed as a "truth" or an "I told you so" even though the scientific experts do not agree or very few agree.

The reality is that on a percentage basis, most of the stuff you believe are discarded lies but you hold up the 5% that gain traction as proof of your world view. It's a sorry way to build a belief system.

I affirm truth on scientific consensus. Much simpler

As of now, the consensus is COVID is not engineered 5 years later. And don't think the quack RFK will make it true even if he publish anything, it will be thrown in the 🗑️ by scientific community for the most part.

Android17:
If you don't know what this means, you are not informed enough to have the conversation.



Just look at this madness. And he's still defending it.

- absolutely FALSE
- rules out genetic modification
- not man made.

Which of these 3 statements hold true today? All are in fact wrong.

But today, you're basically going back to quote same type of sources to argue again. And you don't see what is coming your way.

Convince Wikipedia first who are still calling it a Conspiracy theory.

Is there a consensus on it or just theories?

I don't care either way but so far Google is telling me that your Director of National Intelligence produced a report ruling it out in 2023.

You may produce an official consensus to the contrary but Google is returning nothing, maybe somewhere in your Twitter verse is saying different

Android17:
This is the whole COVID-19 origins all over. I told you, stop using official website, republicans bla bla to make any argument concerning Trump. There's a uniparty, and there's Trump. Trump told you it came from a lab but the CIA contradicted him that time. Whose side did you take? Who ended up being right?

The people who are accused of receiving kickbacks from same Ukraine are going to be incentivized to lie about what was doled out. You know this or at least you should.

I won't do your homework for you. If you don't believe the figure Trump gave, that's fine. I no get energy for useless arguments.

It's very simple to provide the figure na, not all this rigmarole

Like I said, you can argue with yourself all you want, not what you discussed with me. I don't deal in conspiracy. You are now referencing origins of Covid argument where I told you I'm going with scientific consensus on wet market but not ruling out accidental leak from the lab. You have no evidence of purposeful leak so stop beating your chest.

Anyway not going down several rabbit holes at once, I need to preserve my sanity tonight, early morning waka tomorrow ✌🏽

Ibime:
This is absolutely false. Scientific consensus is that the virus structure rules out genetic modification, and CIA have advised POTUS that it is not man made.

What they are investigating is whether there was an accidental leak from the lab, which I do not rule out as Chinese labs have accidentally leaked SARS virus twice.

Google is your friend.

Android17:
Why won't you also give me the FBI and CIA? I'm sure you can find 51 agents to swear an oath confirming your story abi.

If I read it on a govt site, it has to be true. There's absolutely no incentive to lie.

Is US official website contradicting their own Presido, especially Oversight committee controlled by Republicans

Ok, start by telling me FBI yearly budget since that's the missing piece.

Infact forget it, just provide the $350bln figure.

Android17:
If you could post that I've used Grok 3 before you might as well post where I said what you're claiming. Why is it hard?

It is hard for a liar who spews stupid stuff as easily as he can think of it.

Again, just to stop you from your weak deflections. I know what type of info to source from Grok. For e.g, I won't search for vaccine information from it.

That's why I don't see the need to waste my time on people who still quote legacy media. You're still grappling with knowing what truth is.

What a sorry case.

Ok. Use US official Govt website. Read and be blessed

https://www.ukraineoversight.gov/Funding/

Android17:
I won't waste too much time on you as Grok & legacy media are your news sources.

See me giving you an out through your boy Elon Musk AI that you already use but because it doesn't conform to your propaganda, even Elon Musk AI is not good enough for you, despite using it for other things. Maybe you rather get it from MTG twitter feed than from Congress website who passed the bills.

Don't worry, when you finish, you will explain how the Monkey pox was created by Ukraine to kill Russians.

As of now I'm very OK with my prognosis, with Russian interest rates almost competing with Nigerias above 20%

Android17:
I just used Grok 3. What is wrong about it? I did not vet it.

bemeruca:
You don't bomb a country like Russia into peace. Zelensky use him mouth say him people no want cease fire. So from his statement and that question, he is implying diplomacy will not work, they should go the way of Biden and EU, talk tough while his people keeps dying.

Nope he said consistently ceasefire without security guarantee won't work but they cut him off at that stage. He wants sustainable ceasefire and that only comes with security guarantee. The Americans are not stupid, they know that's what the French and Brits came to discuss, not just freestyle

bemeruca:
Vance was talking to the press about past presidents and their tough talk, he decided to lecture Vance.

The EU has brainwashed this guy.

You've come to the crux of the matter

He asked Vance a question and I quote "What diplomacy you talking about JD?"

Is that what made Vance lose self-control, especially considering his English is poor, something Vance with church sense should interpret as pressing on the details of the diplomatic deal which is a Presidents duty. You don't call a nation to peace deal and not give the President the detail of the peace, what they keep and what they compromise on, meanwhile you are discussing all the finer points with Russia.

On top of that a VP shouting at a President?

bemeruca:
See where everything is scattered. All he had to do was shut up.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9--Ct5JOt8

That's bullying behaviour. He could shut up, but he was not the one shouting. When you shout at a President you are disrespecting his country. If he does not try to answer back (respectfully), that's a disrespect on his country. So basically you just want him to shut up and be shouted at ie bully behaviour

Android17:
Keep quoting legacy media.

The one they've done to you concerning Ukraine is not enough.

You're still bullish on citing them. Even calling Zelensky a soldier.

O ge me gi fuum na anya

I should ask who for details of 5 US bills that is public record? At least you use Grok so you can ask Grok

Nobody has done anything to me on Ukraine except show that you are living in fantasy land claiming US was helping Ukraine make biological weapons like monkey pox and anthrax that can kill only Russians, the worst kind of propaganda that only a deranged mind will believe and which has disappeared like the fart of a leprous witch, and which is the argument I had with you on Ukraine.

I support Ukraine does not mean I'm stupid to realities.

Just like WMD in Afghanistan you just spoke about when it was an allegation made about Iraq, not Afghanistan, and not one I supported. You make up arguments with voices in your head and argue with yourself, I can't help you with that.

bemeruca:
You don't understand what u r posting

Go and ask Copilot, chatGPT or Grok

bemeruca:
It seems like trump cared more about his people than him. Even if the war will start again in the future, let it stop first so they can breath and think of how to keep. Russia at bay. The guy eff up big time. Remove your hatred for trump and be sincere to yourself for once.

Let's assume he is like that. Because of he is fighting a war he is losing, EU is calling him the greatest man ever. They are there watching his people die while they do nothing. That's what is getting into their heads. Every day including the UK talk about we must not rely on US when trump is around but they don't want to build their capabilities.

The whole Nator aside from US has less than 5 aircraft carriers. UK 2 France 1 and that's it. Why are they leeches? Norway has 16k soldiers.

After he rejected diplomacy he is asking which one would he recommend. Does he think US should bomb Russia into peace or have a conversation?

He threatened US that the war will come to them if they do not do something across the pond.

JD Vance did not disrespect him, speak the truth

No, they are the ones who escalated.

I agree he should have just been quiet about security guarantee, accept this one and worry about security later, but they also have to make allowances for him. He came with a mandate which all Ukrainians told him, go there and come back with security guarantee. That's everything I heard on radio this morning. That's the picture you're not seeing. So you have to see it from Ukrainian viewpoint too, there is no way he would go there and not press for security guarantee, infact that was all arranged with Europe and was the reason Macron and Starmer preceded him to say "we will put troops on ground, but please provide the backstop". They've all arranged how the negotiation will go from offset and the Americans should have anticipated that, infact they knew that's what all 3 are coming to ask for back to back.

Even at that, any diplomat will handle the matter easily and just say we will discuss that in the background. Ultimately the conversation turned on a lack of self control, and bullying behaviour from Vance which was doubled down by Trump. You have to admit that. His only misstep was saying "what diplomacy are you talking about JD", then JD flipped the table like Jesus at the synagogue.

America aid is $175bln

$175 x 2 = $350 bln

The $350 bln was cooked up in Trumps office by a lazy doubling and repeated ad nauseum to exaggerate his political argument

That's why it's important to read news.

bemeruca:
Watch the full clip, Zelensky attacked Vance and he does not want peace.

For the first 40 minutes, the conversation was pretty calm. Vance made a point that wasn’t even directed at Zelensky and definitely wasn’t an attack on him but Zelensky was the one who clearly started the argument.
During that time, Zelensky kept pushing to go beyond what had already been negotiated in the deal. Whenever Trump was asked a question, his response was always something like, “We’ll see.” Meanwhile, Zelensky kept making firm statements, saying there’d be no negotiating with Putin and that Russia would have to pay for the war. Then, when Trump said it was a tragedy that people on both sides were dying, Zelensky cut in to remind everyone that Russia was the invader which, sure, is true, but it felt like he was getting more heated.

Trump did make it clear that the US would keep sending military aid. Honestly, all Zelensky had to do was keep his cool for a few more minutes, and they probably would’ve signed the deal.

The tension really kicked off when Trump pointed out that it’s tough to make a deal when you talk about Putin the way Zelensky does. That’s when Vance jumped in, making a pretty reasonable point basically saying that Biden’s approach of calling Putin names hasn’t gotten anyone anywhere.

Up to that point, the whole press conference had been relatively calm, and everyone was mostly speaking to the audience. But instead of letting it slide, Zelensky turned on Vance and started questioning him directly and not in a friendly way. He brought up the idea that Putin never sticks to ceasefires, pushing the idea that negotiations with him are pointless. And that’s where things really escalated.

Zelensky was so close to locking in the deal and getting new commitments from the Trump administration. But the argument started because Vance criticized Biden and the media for being too moralistic in their approach and that clearly hit a nerve with Zelensky. And from there, things just spiraled.

I watched the full clip

If you know Zelensky, you know he's a soldier and very angry cos he carries the weight of his peoples suffering. He is like this with all World leaders and they make accomodation for his anger. Also his English is limited. At the start of the clip he explained how Putin broke agreement 25 times. So when JD spoke, he asked JD "What diplomacy would you recommend JD?"

That's the turning point of the conversation, and JD totally flipped, started shouting and humiliating him and the people of Ukraine. Whether JD is angry because he didn't call him Mr Vice President; or JD is angry because Zelensky is sticking to his demand of security guarantee, or because he carried bad mind into the meeting, who knows?

Either way JD flipping and disrespect was totally uncalled for, and Trump should have also calmed the matter rather than doubling down and insulting Ukraine.

You guys spoke about Nobel Prize. Na this kind hot-headedness dem dey use win Nobel prize? These don't look like people serious about Nobel prize. Not to mention throughout the whole 50 mins, they kept dragging Zelensky into USA internal politics which is very unstatesmanlike.

raumdeuter:
When you depend on the same Nation for money and survival then you learn to shut up. Zelensky didn't, He openly cozied up to Biden and the Democrats while throwing shades at the GOP ticket

You are throwing a "subtle but diplomatic" talk at the person who is writing you checks? Who taught him that type of diplomacy.

The Ukrainian ambassador was face palming all through as Zelensky because of his carelessness threw the future and security of all Ukrainians in doubt

If he had lost 20% of territory to Russia now, If US pull out support, in another 6months it might be 40% of land lost

The Ambassador was facepalming for her country not for Zelensky.

Zelensky didn't do anything wrong in that meeting, maybe except keep totally mute. He was attacked by Vance.

Zelensky didn't cozy up to Biden, he cozied up to the elected President of the United States his country's most important ally. And in foreign affairs, that is well understood except to Neanderthals and Trumpanzees it seems. That is exactly what he was trying to say today when he kept repeating in his limited English "the elected President of the United States". He was thinking what planet are these eediots from bringing their partizan hatred to our countries mutual dealings.

Your President is your President and our alliance is with your country, not with any individual. But the eediot Trump kept inserting him into Amaricas partizan affairs. And after Biden, he would have cozied up to the next President whether he was green, yellow or blue. He even visited Trump tower during the elections to ensure that. This is as stupid as saying John Mahama, President of Ghana was cozying up to Jonathan so Buhari won't see him. Comot with your childish partizan talk please.

raumdeuter:
In 2022 Vance as a Senate candidate was asked about Ukraine an he said he doesnt care about Ukraine, he care about Ohio

The truth about ending the war is that some of the land Russia has taken cannot be retrieved back. The goal is to end the war fast, if you insist on pushing Russia back you will be fighting that war for the next 10yrs, Its already 3yrs now

The issue of Zelensky and his influence on the US election was already taken to the house committee



Zelensky who is begging for money all over the world and especially from the US should be smart enough not to call one party in an election radical. Now he has gone home empty handed.

Go and pull up Trumps statement on the eve of the invasion calling Putin's invasion the largest peacekeeping force ever seen.

This guy Zelensky and most Ukrainians have taken a lot of shyt from the Maga party while fighting for their lives and dignity, and if they are just asked to comment on one of the hundreds of hateful and ridiculous comments from a MAGA politician and they reply with a subtle but diplomatic talk, you guys with throw tantrum. You no get talk jare

The dignity of all Ukrainians was assaulted in that Oval office today, so many incendiary statements made by Vance and then Trump, and see the nonsense you are talking about. That whole charade was even set up and instigated.

Right from 2019, Zelensky was minding his business when Trump brought his do or die politics to his domot asking him to investigate his election rival, and right from that time, Zelensky has stayed away from inserting himself into US election. That's where all the hatred for Zelensky comes from, because MAGAts are doing do-or-die politics. Wetin consign am with Una internal affairs. You guys should grow up!

swiz123:
A doctor assessed my ear with otoscope and said it's clear. She prescribed some pills after I told her how it started. Personally, I think it's TMJ from what I read. Cos it all started with painful swallowing, under the chin pain, feeling of fullness in one ear and headache. Also, that part of my ear from jaw to neckline is tender but has improved since taking pills. I just worry about the noise.

TMJ or Temporomandibular joint dysfunction or pain and swelling in the joints of the jaw. I knew all the rubbish you talk go dislocate your jaw one day.

raumdeuter:
When you are a foreign president and you insert yourself into American elections, Most leaders with sense avoid taking sides because anyone might win, But Zelensky decided to pick sides and call one part name during a campaign. I knew he was cooked way back in September when he decided to tow that path of foolishness

When you play stupid games, you get stupid results

Nobody inserted into anything. Vance was talking about how to end war in Ukraine (his country) by giving Russia some lands, Zelensky said that is too radical. So it was Vance talking about Zelensky country not Zelensky inserting himself in US politics. You've been reading nonsense from echo chamber.

Even if Zelensky abused JD Vance mother sef, so long as President has invited another President, the matter is over at least in front of the cameras. If Vance has a beef, he can call him aside later , not when Presidents are speaking. Vance is the one who rudely inserted himself into Presidents conversation and that is a taboo anywhere in the world. Need I remind you that Vance is a VP, a nobody who can't even get endorsement from his boss

bemeruca:
No... That's not what he was saying. You are a liar

Bring the transcript

basilico:
How would America companies establish mines in Ukraine if Russia was still firing oreshniks and drones to Ukraine?

I agree that companies would be a deterrent but there were American companies in Ukraine in 2022 also. He was saying let's do this thing properly how countries do it, no be dem say dem say. If it's just companies, what stops America from agreeing to put their companies on land under Russian occupation also. Minerals are minerals after all

bemeruca:
The president started it.
He wants America to continue a war they want to stop. He is mad?

They have been talking about ending the war he went there to say the US should join the fight.

He is mad

Are you schizophrenic or hearing voices?

Where did you see that?

All he was saying is the deal should come with security guarantees because Russia has broken many ceasefire before and Vance started shouting. If you ask me, they staged it.

bemeruca:
2022 Vance was not VP. Ibime, apply reasoning

I'm talking about VP raising voice on a visiting President today

GloriousGbola:
the toddler of the free world

This will be a meme in years to come signifying "WTF this nigga talking about"

raumdeuter:
In 2022, Vance said he doesn't care about Ukraine but more about Ohio kids

What is wrong with that?

But a foreign president coming to call a candidate a radical when you'll need their help later

Name a VP in Americas history that will raise voice on a visiting President. I don't care if it's Ayatollah Khomeini visiting. I don't know why you are defending nonsense.

raumdeuter:
If you think calling Vance radical in the middle of an election is okay but switching tone when he came to beg for support is where you draw the line

Go and read all Vance statements on Ukraine since 2022. People are dying and he was shytting on them. He get luck dem no curse him mama.

Vance is a nobody, a VP who should sit quietly and observe. I don't know why you are capping for him. Presidents are talking, he's commiting a flag on the play for a VP in the first instance nevermind anything else

bemeruca:
What does that have to do with my location?
Its a simple question. And yes, I live in Washington

So your vote still don't count?

raumdeuter:
But you see aggression in how Vance spoke to him today?

Don't you?

Go and watch again and see who switched the tone of conversation and was raising voice

raumdeuter:
When you inject yourself into a conversation and call names then make sure you don't need their help

It will be like Trump calling Gov Trudeau and going to Canada to ask for help, Any mud Trudeau use to rub him will also be fair

Trump/Vance hold the power over Zelensky right now and he had a misstep earlier by picking sides in an election and its time for him to find out

Now how will he continue his war in the near term

That's how infants behave, not countries. Vance no mature and I see no insult in "too radical".

raumdeuter:
When someone who called you a radical is coming to ask for aid and support, you are likely going with a bad mind to remind him of his past missteps

He came with a bad mind today because someone who is needing your help called him too radical 5months ago

He was asked as a Senate candidate about Ukraine and e responded the right way

Na normal ting, he is not a politician if he is not ready for one or two. Vance has been railing on Ukraine right from the first day of the invasion, forget this one you are quoting.

The way Zelensky closed mouth despite being disrespected is beyond Vance. Common "too radical" for first insulting Ukraine na him dey make am vibrate. We have seen "Governor Trudeau" and "Two Tier Kier" maintaining composure despite numerous insults toward them but Vance can't take common "too radical"