₦airaland Forum

BlueRayDick:
At the risk of sounding like DonJ, I'm beginning to think Teejay is one and same person with Otem; that's the only explanation to why he's trying to force the Otem's unsolicited gospel down our throat . He's an alternate *in the words of DonJ*

U say Otem has finished his work on nairaland and has moved on, why is his disciple boring us daily with tales of how he time traveled with some set of codes or how the history of the old and new gods were revealed to him ? Do we look like we care if Otem too has been caged like dem Mazda and Subaru ?

Otem is actually a great historian, but he dey add pepper and Maggi inside

timbros:
Why will I object when it was Eguavoen that replaced Rohr? Wetin concern me with Peseiro?

Did I mention names that I want for the job? Was Peseiro name there? What did you ask Popizaino?

You see this screenshot below? It will forever choke you and your goons... It is there in black and white. All your agenda is DoA...

Una weight no reach.

Eguavoen is even worse than Peseiro

Haha, make una free Timbros oh

Timbros, you sef, rest

timbros:
Make all of them for NFF getat!

Bring out your calculator. We go drag you until WC qualifiers finish

BlueMann:
This coach is inept, but my goodness these players can be foolish. Such a disappointing bunch.

Zimbabwe probably should've won this one, with any of the three big chances they had in the latter stages of the second half.

I have no faith at all in our backline, specifically our goalkeeper and our central defenders, Ajayi and Bassey. They do not inspire confidence at all.

Basset is an overweight clown, always has been

DeathToSimps:
The blockade of food, water, medicine, fuel and electricity is evil, wicked and callous.

Electricity cannot be blockaded. You either have electricity or you don't. If I am at war with you I have no duty to provide you with electricity. All that happened is Israel stopped supplying electricity.

There.is no blockade on Gaza. Gaza is free to receive anything on the Egyptian side of the border. Blockade involves blocking external parties from supplying you through your own waters. Israel is not blockading any Gazan waters but are patrolling their own waters. Gaza is free to receive anything through Sinai. An illegal blockade will only exist if Israel marched into Sinai and stopped Egypt from supplying Gaza via it's own borders

Vl3ly:
the video of the hijacking that ship sweet me wella

Because you be retard as usual

The ship is a Japanese ship

vanitybutiwanti:
nope, they didn't not chase the ibenos, an annual ceremony is held every year in opubo to appreciate Andoni for letting them settle in that area

Yes I've corrected that

Timbros, read this. Those of us wey know Naija football politics know why we backed Rohr. He was a breath of fresh air after 2 decades of seeing 40 years old players getting call up

Now we are bringing out calculator again in group where Lesotho, Zimbabwe and SA are our only challenges

Kenturkey048:
It was clear why they kept paying media to pick on little.mistakes of Gernot Rohr..

The simple truth was, they couldn't influence his players selection..

Local coaches = business ventures.

Players are field according to man know man..and who get connection pass..

Rohr met all their agreements.. He was sacked because they taught Eguaveon would qualify the team for world cup they can give him list of players to select.

GloriousGbola:
that is why they made them change it to WWE so it could be clear

it used to be WWF

Actually it's because the World Wildlife Fund sued them for the name

liveLongNprospa:
I dey come.
Make I celebrate my birthday finish.

Una go see the real me

Enjoy your birthday in peace please, nothing to be gained from roforofo on your birthday

Melvyn11:
Cc Ibime.

Why do your people bear English names as surnames? That shi.t is really weird.

Due to trade with the white man. We choose a name the white man can pronounce for official documents and things. Mind you surname was an alien concept to us so when doing trade we pick one or the white man will bastardise it for you

Eg they will change Opubo to Opobo
Ibani to Bonny
Wakirike to Okrika
Jumogha to Jumbo
Perekule to Pepple etc etc

Realmrsean:
isn't it a shame that people you claimed you brought as slaves to help in your multiple trade inflows happens to influence your language by conquering and made you to adopt it as a mother tongue

Even if it's true.. I'll be so ashamed to admit this.. and now you've done such, it shows that they re truly conquered

You know the Fulani conquered the Hausa and speak the Hausa language right?

afrodoc2:
Diddy is the deadliest guy in hip hop. The only people probably more dangerous than him are career criminals like Preme, Jimmy Henchman, Haitian Jack them.

Puffy never had problems with Jimmy and Haitian Jack and guys like Zip while they were terrorizing the whole industry, he was partying with them, that's why he's a deadly guy. Also his guy Wolf was a terror.

I won't consider Supreme part of the music industry as he wasn't involved operationally, he only fronted Gotti brothers with start up capital.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Oya come back to 2023, lets compare Mr pirate

Who dey compare with you? We are talking about why you don't own Opobo Kingdom which was established around 150 years ago when Okonkwo was still storing yams as sign of wealth. A Kingdom so wealthy, it was exporting palm oil directly to Liverpool, had emissaries visiting Queen Victoria, trained it's sons in England and sent soldiers to Ghana to assist the British in the Ashanti war. That access to the sea is what gave us 300 years advantage over the Igbo to establish wealthy Kingdoms that you are trying to claim now because we brought tens of thousands of Igbo slaves to help handle the volume of trade we were doing, and in so doing influenced our language

Even as of today, what is there to show off in 2023? Monday sit at home?

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Same European scholars recorded that the ijaws were rude, uncivilized, drank all day, lived in the canoes with no land. They were pirates.

That's 500 years ago. Come back to 17th, 18th and 19th century, same Ijaws had built Kingdoms while British were identifying Eboe as a group for the first time. Only Arochukwu have history in Igbo land, the rest were unconnected and independent and vulnerable villages with no weight. That's why slave trade was built on pillaging of weak Igbo structures

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
U dey allow dis ijaw guys to gaslight u. In Opobo, Igbo language is the mother tongue. They observe the four market days in Igbo calender. The marriage custom & funerals are largely the same in other Igbo villages.
The Opobo people were founded by King Jaja who hailed from present day Imo state. The ruling family in Opobo also identify as Igbo. Dis one no be Ilorin where they banned Isese festival.

Ruling family don't identify as any Igbo. This is their King telling you what they identify as

https://fb.watch/ooXK105H8g/

Funny they speak Igbo but give themselves all Ijaw names and not one Igbo name amongst them. Your brain go tell you they don't identify as Igbo

Dakuku Adol Peterside

Siminalayi Amaopusenibo Fubara

Rueben Mietamuno Jaja

Atedo Peterside

Adawari Michael Pepple

These are full Ijaw names with full Ijaw meanings. Even in the midst of speaking Igbo, they still have their Ibani language from which they pick their names and shun Igbo names.

Opobo is named after Amanyanabo Opubo and all their houses are named after Ijaw names. You come 150 years later to claim ownership because Ijaw don't discriminate against slaves and allow a slave to ascend like any son of the soil. Don't you know you can go from slave to Emperor in Rome? Rome is Roman whether a Thracian or Gaul ascends to Emperor, he got no choice but to blend in the culture like Jaja did.

A40:
Lool naah that guy is evil.

Look at all of Jay Z's proteges Ye, Rihanna, Cole, Rick Ross, to a lesser extent Jeezy

Compare them to Diddy's
Almost all of them busted and disgusted or dead. Only ones doing ok is Mase who recently hooked up with Camron and they have the best podcast out there now and then Lox that was able to escape from him hand quickly

See Shyne that one get luck say him papa na big boy politican. Omolomo go back Belize turn politician

Na why Diddy no get longevity of proteges be that. Most of his acts only last 2 to 5 years. Shyne has been living hand to mouth for decades, I no even sure say this politics gig dey pay am sef, unless him get sticky fingers.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Ethnicity is not an artificial construct. It is built on ancenstral origin & wooven together by shared dialect of a common language.

How asawana(ijaw) people want to claim Opobo when they cannot communicate with a native of Opobo in their native language? who be una history teacher sef? Simi is speaking clean & clear Igbo language which is the mother tongue in Opobo. Yet u say Igbo people dey claim Opobo.. u be ode.

That Sudanese speak Arabic does not make them Arabs. Language is just for ease of communication with a larger majority. Nigeria has over 250 languages, majority of those languages are in the North and most people from those tribes speak Hausa better than their indigenous language so they can communicate with a larger section of the population. Language is not evidence of ethnicity anymore than a Mexican is Spanish, societal and leadership structure, history and self determination are the main determinants.

A40:
I also find it curious that he's suddenly released everybody's Masters. Mase, Biggie's estate, Lox, 112.

So Diddy done finally free these niggas? Guy is running where nobody is chasing him

BlueMann:
Havertz at left back??

E fit am. Leprous fingers should.come.and blame Mount, or is it Musiala fault

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Have u heard about a community called Oha Obu in ukanafun lga? Oha obu is an Ndoki community in AKS.

There are communities that establish a bridgehead in another culture, it's very normal. Even in Okrika, we have a village that moved here from Umahia area fully, I think Okujagu village if memory serves. Even within that Ndoki, we Okrika people have a village that moved there for trade and stayed there. We call Ndoki Okoloma or Ndokiari and even the Ndoki recognise their town as Okoloma. But they got absorbed as Igbos, it's their choice, we no dey argue with them, but we know their origin in Ijaw land. Las Las, where you choose to identify is by choice not by blood because all our blood is heavily mixed. We may be more Igbo genetically than you sef.

DissTroy:
Forget the shit on Wikipedia. The same Wikipedia claims it's Aba Women Riot meanwhile the 1929 Women Massacre (it wasn't just a riot) happened at Ikot Abasi, Akwa Ibom, close to Lugard House right on the Ocean and has a Women War Memorial built on the site of the massacre.

Aba women's riot is one of the major misnomers in Naija history. It had nothing to do with Aba. I was surprised when I read the details

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
How do you reconcile the fact that an immigrant language became the indigenous/native language in Opobo, making it the first of such incidence on the Gulf of Guinea. ?

The elephant tusk is very important in Opobo especially in coronation of king. This is obtainable in other Igbo societies. The marriage customs & funerals in Opobo are largely the same in other Igbo villages. Amayanabo is interpreted as "ama onyen'bu" meaning a town of two kings.

Weda u be Igbo blood or Ijaw blood e no concern me. Igbo language is the mother tongue in Opobo, thus governor Simi who is a titled man from Opobo is within his right to speak his language.

Haha, you want claim Amanyanabo join? Ama means town in any Ijaw language. There is no town in my Kingdom which is not suffixed with Ama, see screenshots below. Amanyanabo means owner of the town exactly, not onye whatever. Every Ijaw Kingdom has an Amanyanabo from Okrika to Kalabari to Nembe to Bonny and Opobo. Which Igbo Kingdom has Amanyanabo? That is Ijaw leadership structure. My family has produced two Amanyanabos in Okrika and Opobo in modern times so no talk wetin you no know.

Igbo claims to Kingdoms are modern day fantasies. The only powerful Igbo Kingdom in yesteryear are the Arochukwu. Below is the undiluted truth of where the power lay those days and everyone in the Gulf of Guinea knows it.

Ibime:
Igbos were a collection of unrelated Republican villages without a consolidated Government and war structure until the British labelled all these villages as Eboe, giving them an identity. This lack of organisation is a reason why the Igbos were preyed upon by organised Kingdoms like the Ijaws, Ibibios, Benins and Oyos and why they form the majority of slave blood in the Americas today. The Igbos are the biggest victims of slavery and that speaks to their lack of organised Kingdoms. Only the Arochukwu were organised within the Igbo and they preyed on the Igbo massively. They never saw themselves as fellow Igbos till the British gave them identity. So Igbo cannot be claiming ownership of established and powerful Kingdoms in 2023 when they have no history of establishing such Kingdoms.

DissTroy:
Lived, took on an Ibibio bride, and went into the hinterlands. But made the Ikot Abasi port his abode. Made sense so he could oversee his export business as oil palm had replaced slavery.

Where he lived still exist till date at Ikot Abasi.

That should be because Bonny had kicked him out of Bonny during the civil war so he had to find another trading port to operate from.

DissTroy:
Actually, there is. Being freed was how Jaja of Opobo could live freely at Ikot Abasi which is a Southern Ibibio area and right on the Ocean. And if he wasn't free, he'd have been captured and resold.

The Southern Ibibios and Ijaws were notorious slave-dealers (another reason I shit on those who blame the West for slavery) and raided or acted as middlemen for slaves.
Ikot Abasi itself was the HQ of shipping slaves to the Americas or other parts, and later the HQ of British Administration.

No slave would have walked free there.

That's for external slavery (if they ship you abroad). But once you are an internal slave, you are a vital part of the House with rights and responsibilities of any member of the house.

Jaja would have no reason to run away from his house because he is now a full member of his house. He is there on business like other members and was probably there in a leadership capacity. Anything across the Imo River, Jaja was always involved in business with all tribes on both sides of the River and up all the way to Umahia and Arochukwu, I don't doubt he would have spent time in Ikot Abasi which was a major trading port and also as far as Fernando Po in Equitorial Guinea sef.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Lol. I wonder why the Northern Igbos who conducted large trade with the Igala people did not adopt the Igala language.


Abeg u shld stick to accounting/economics where u can back up your claims with facts & figures.

Same way Okrika and Kalabari did not adopt Igbo language. It's based on the ratio of indigenes to immigrants. Igbo immigrants far outnumbered the Ibani in the short space of only 30 years and their language became the language of the immigrants. Their original language still exists and is spoken by a few. Both immigrants and true born are spending a lot of their time upland in Igbo areas where the Palm Oil is sourced trading Palm Oil so they all speak Igbo. If you put 80 freshies who only speak Igbo with 20 indigenes who speak both Ibani and Igbo, and they are trading all the time with Igbos, their language of communication will invariably be Igbo. But their customs, deities and chieftaincy and Kingship structure remain Ijaw and they identify as Ijaws, that's all that matters. You are speaking to an Igbo blood (me) who got absorbed into Ijaw Kingdom and identify as Ijaw, na so e be. Ijaw Kingdoms are like Rome, no matter where you originated from, you become son of the soil.

We have treaties and historical evidence of treaties between Bonny and Okrika Kings dating back to 17th century within an Ijaw context and relating within Ijaw language so you can't erase history. Igbo nationhood is a modern concept of the last 120 years within the Nigerian context. Igbos were a collection of unrelated Republican villages without a consolidated Government and war structure until the British labelled all these villages as Eboe, giving them an identity. This lack of organisation is a reason why the Igbos were preyed upon by organised Kingdoms like the Ijaws, Ibibios, Benins and Oyos and why they form the majority of slave blood in the Americas today. The Igbos are the biggest victims of slavery and that speaks to their lack of organised Kingdoms. Only the Arochukwu were organised within the Igbo and they preyed on the Igbo massively. They never saw themselves as fellow Igbos till the British gave them identity. So Igbo cannot be claiming ownership of established and powerful Kingdoms in 2023 when they have no history of establishing such Kingdoms.

iamoyindamola:
Exactly Opobo originates from calabar/Akwa Ibom
Growing up I was surprised opobo is now located in rivers

Which one you dey now. How is Opobo in Akwa Ibom? Opobo has always been in Rivers. Akwa-Ibom is on the other other side of the river.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
We're talking about the origin dude.
Pls can u tell us how Igbo language became the mother tongue in Opobo? The omugwo culture too?...

I have just told you. Read my post above. Palm Oil trade which led to influx of slaves making Igbo born outnumber the true born Bonny almost ten to one.

Opobo is just a split out from Bonny so trace the Palm Oil trade in Bonny to discover how both Bonny and Opobo came to speak Igbo

Do Igbo Kingdoms have Amanyanabo, war canoe houses and Ijaw societal structure? Amanyanabo Danderson Jaja of Opobo is my relative, no talk wetin you no know.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:
Fake news spotted!

Nwaotam is an Igbo masquerade which has it origin from Ndoki.

Igbo language is the mother tongue in Opobo.
Azumini, Ohambele, Afam, Akwete, Akirika-Obu are all Ndoki clan. Akwete, an Ndoki clan is the heritage site of Igbo traditional cloth weaving.

Soludo is their biggest promoter cox since he took over as gov na Akwete made fabric he dey wear. Davido's paternal grandmother Chief Nnenna Esther Adeleke is from Akwete.


In SS, the Ndoki people can be found in Ikanafun LGA i.e Akwa-Ibom state & Obigbo LGA i.e Rivers state.

Nwaotam is also in Bonny. Who had it first is a matter of conjecture. Ndoki and Bonny are from the same source.

Listing all the town of Ndoki will not make the masquerade more Ndoki. I can as well list all the towns of Bonny. Bonny is the bigger brother to Ndoki by far so chances are that Ndoki took the idea from Bonny. Saying otherwise is like saying England is copying Wales.

DissTroy:
"Opobo is just a subgroup of Bonny who split out under Jaja of Opobo during the Bonny civil war and chased the Ibeno off their land to found what we now call Opobo."

[b]Not true. Jaja of Opobo resided in Ikot Abasi LGA in Akwa Ibom (just where you have the Bridge of No Return) after he was freed from slavery. Opobo was already a defined place before Jaja crossed over to go be its king.

The relatives of the Opobos are the Eastern Obolos who were nomadic fishermen and given land to settle on the shore by the Southern Ibibios (the Ikot Abasi). Over the centuries, they intermarried and are no longer distinctively Ibibio or Ijaw - a mix of both.

The whole of Ikot Abasi, Eastern Obolo, and Mkpat Enin in Akwa Ibom and Opobo in Rivers were administered under Opobo Division during the colonial era.

The Ibenos were traditionally a nomadic fishing people who are a mix of Ijaw and Ibibio, and never owned lands except those given by the Ekid (Eket) - another Southern Ibibio ethnicity.

The Ibenos didn't own Opobo to begin with. Present-day Opobo. like Ibeno and Eastern Obolo, were fishing ports.

There was no war or chasing.

The actual war was between the Southern Ibibios and Ogonis.

Hahaha. Ibibio done also make their own claim

You are right. Jaja took Opobo from the Andoni, but he also fought and decimated the Ibeno in the Jaja-Ibeno war. I got that mixed up between them.

The bolded is wrong though. There is no such thing as being "freed from slavery" in Ijaw culture that will make you run away to another land. A slave in Ijaw land is part of the family who has the opportunity to become the head of the house, just as much as any other true born son of the house. Jaja went from slave to head of the House so he didn't have to run anywhere. He may have resided in Ikot Abasi for Business but not as a result of being freed and running away. He was head of his house, and if he was there, he was there on Business representing his house.

Fun fact, Gbadebo Rhodes Vivour great grandfather was also involved in the Jaja-Ibeno wars on the side of Ibeno. He was also a big Palm Oil trader, operating out of Equitorial Guinea and trading with the Ibeno. Jaja cannoned the Ibeno to smithereens, I've forgotten the joke Jaja made about the Ibeno but it was something to the effect of he's just playing with the Ibenos for now, that if he unleash his full firepower, he will wipe them out of existence

swiz123:
I just wanted to confirm if Opobo are Igbos. Looking past Fubara's shenanigans, some truth are inherent and that is Opobo people are predominantly Igbos judging my his fluency in the language.

I am sure before now, most people didn't know this.

Opobo, Bonny, Okrika and Kalabari are like Rome. Only few people from Rome are of original Roman blood. Most came there for trade, for better life, or by slavery.

These Ijaw City States population expanded exponentially during the slave trade and Palm Oil trade (but mostly exponentially during the Palm Oil trade) taking in Igbo traders and mostly Igbo slaves to run the Palm Oil business. Each house needed hundreds of men to row up the Imo River and purchase Palm Oil from the hinterland so they inculcated slaves into their houses. That's how Jaja came to Bonny as a slave of Anna Pepple (Perekule) house, and worked his way to head of the house. For context the population of Bonny was only 3,000 before the population exploded due to the Slave and Palm Oil trade.

Eventually in the case of Bonny, the Igbo slaves outnumbered the Ijaws almost 10 to 1 such was the manpower needed for the Palm Oil trade, that Igbo became the defacto language of Bonny. They still identify as Ijaws keeping the Ijaw customs and titles, but their language is fully Igbo. Now Jaja was such a skilled trader and grew Anna Pepple house population so exponentially, part of his success was his ability to get manpower and penetrate the Igbo hinterland so his house (Anna Pepple) absorbed more Igbos and is even more Igbo than Bonny. This house now became Opobo when Jaja took them up Imo River to settle new land during the war with Manilla Pepple house. That's why I put Opobo Igbo blood at 80-90% Igbo, higher than Bonny which I put at 70-80% Igbo.

Similar absorption of Igbos occured in Okrika and Kalabari but to a lesser extent. However you will find whole villages or houses from Igbo origin even there. My grandmaternal village is made of 7 houses, all 7 houses are of Igbo origin, and even the founder of the village was an Igbo man who grew to head his own house, then spilt out and founded our village. His 7 slaves which give their name to the compounds of our village today are also all of Igbo descent. I put Okrika and Kalabari at 20-40% Igbo by blood.

However all these City States still maintain their Ijawness, Ijaw customs, House structure, deities and Amanyanabos, but in the case of Bonny and Opobo, their language has changed completely to Igbo

The other Ijaw City States which have strong history of intermingling with the Igbo are Nembe and Akassa in Bayelsa.