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Joezinho:
The way some people argue football is quite funny.

They said Pele played with farmers, yet between 1962 and 63 Santos beat on aggregate, Benfica 8-2 and Milan 7-6 (best teams in europe at the time) with Pele scoring 9 of those goals.

At international level in 58, he won 3 WCs against europeans.

Elon Musk need to provide Starlink for free in Nigeria. The lack of knowledge is grievous

How can someone call Benfica a nobody. Even before internet, we knew of the great Benfica team, that dominated Europe. The same Benfica Man Utd threw 40 years celebration of Busby babes after beating them in UCL final in 1968, like they conquered Goliath. Even if you don't know Benfica of early 60s, as a United fan, you will know Benfica of late 60s just from your club documentaries

hensben:
Your first point, you don’t use one game to win wc. Messi has been best player in two wc. He was carried to two of his wc which is fact. Brazil is the biggest footballing nation. On individual level, messi is the greatest footbalrt of all time.

QF goal, Semifinal hattrick and final brace is one game to you?

1970 he was Golden Ball with 4 goals and 6 assists

Messi was the one carried by Goalkeeper and everybody knows Messi 2014 golden ball is a scam. Name one goal or assist Messi provided in knockout stage of 2014

Messi has been a World Cup flop his whole career, only to be lucky to have a penalty saving GK in his last WC, and given 5 penalties, all of a sudden you want raise shoulder with the Greatest World Cup player of all time

Debroslink:
SCAM everywhere... Dem dey mention Benfica as if Benfica is a true elite European club.

Paolo Guerrero from Corinthians defeated Chelsea (defending UCL champions) at CWC 2012.

Let's add Guerrero to the GOAT talk then

Nonsense Pele "fans"

Since you jumped in the thread, you've been talking nonsense

Who doesn't know the great Benfica side of early 1960s that were so dominant winning 2 UCL in a row and reaching 3 finals in a row and 4 in 5 years

Pele disgraced the best Europe had to offer

Go back to viewing centre

Expert17:
Pele fan base is growing all thanks to Messi, NTA, YouTube and Wiki

If someone can be dragging with you 60 years later, just know he is eternal

Give it ten years, all the euphoria will be gone and they will be putting Messi in his proper position, assessing his contributions clinically in relation to others

When Iniesta was winning WC and Euros, he was the greatest AM ever according to the euphoria of the day, just 5 years later he was being dragged for Modric and others

Messi that won just last week with high in-game emotions is dragging with Pele. What of 60 years from now when no one gives a fúck about the minute details of the game. Pele is eternal

liveLongNprospa:
The same reputable organisation that said this after Ronaldo won his 2nd international trophy while Messi had zero

You think GOAL is a reputable organisation. GOAL that we wrote articles for while still in Uni?

Learn to diffentiate between Twitter handlers tweeting out for engagement and organisations official positions. France football magazine can tweet anything but when they do serious awards (eg Balon d'Or), that's a different thing

Debroslink:
Pele was playing in the farmer's league when Di Stefano was winning UCL 5 times in a row. Baba no get liver come Europe. He dey form goat for farmer's league.

A goat who hasn't tested water depths of Europe can't be called the GOAT

Ignorance on marble

Brazil NT players were banned from playing abroad and Pele was råping your UCL winners in Intercontinental Cup while South American teams dominated Intercontinental Cup

Who will go to Europe while playing in better competitions and being the highest paid athlete in the World in his own hometown

Europe ko, Europe ni

monerozi5590:
That one is not my call na!... Just a question boss.

Did you watch Pele play week in and week out?

That one no consign me

Whoever is struggling for data to follow their passion and understand it should answer their father name

Some of us grew up reading World Soccer Magazine every month for over a decade which gives you concise historical breakdowns, we watched all FIFA world Cup documentaries, many Pele documentaries etc

Some people football ends at the viewing centre. Some people football is ingrained over decades of knowledge, writings and videos, knowing the key events, personalities and import of occasions in an era. These have been in my library over a decade and a half, I can't find the Pele one. I must not watch Pele live to know he was far more dominant and acclaimed than someone relying on Goalkeeper for penalties just like someone 59 years from now must not watch Messi live to appreciate him. The A in GOAT stands for ALL time, and nobody is alive for all time.

monerozi5590:
But did you watch Pele?

So we should have replaced your GOAT in 20 years because next generation did not watch Messi?

OhBritannia:
All respect and much respect to Pele but let me cap you the legit.

Do you think a young Pele in this ear in 2022 with how football has advanced, gotten more physical and stronger, do you think Pele can beat Ramos or gatuso or pepe or van dyle?

Do you think pepe will score a single goal against this current Argentine side?

Football back in the days was a joke, a player will be jogging with the ball, he will past one to three players and still standing?

Hahah come and do it now and see if you won't find yourself getting rushed to the hospital

Like i said big respect to Pele but you have to give Lionel Messi his honour.

Had to come back to this post with this video

Pepe and Ramos are fairies compared to butchers of those days. Shït was so violent, YouTube had to age restrict it



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzXw3fygBg

Bluelines69:
Without his goals will the game get to shoutouts ,

What goals? Penalties won by other players?

Messi has not scored more than 3 clean goals in any of his 5 World Cups. Those are Ahmed Musa doings

donstan18:
Ok, I want to troll him against Ronaldo with UCL success.

You got what? Number of trophies? Goals in finals? Knockout goals? What exactly? UCL with different clubs? UCL without Busquet? 8-2 Bayern? Getting mudded and outplayed by Mbappe each time they meet?

Infact! I no value National trophies again, can we see Ronaldo vs Messi stats in the highest club trophy ever??

We can troll Messi with World Cup and COPA sef

Which GOAT needs Goalkeeper to be constantly saving penalty shootouts to win an International trophy, something other GOATs did without sweat multiple times

Is he Jogginghoe in disguise?

No worry, let the Pessimists enjoy their victory parade first

kokaneprodigy:
Ibime no relevant person or organization puts Pele above Messi

Rubbish. Nothing you posted refers to Pele

In fact no reputable football organisation is yet to put him above PELE in any ranking

popizaino:
Yes that is because there is also no golden goal in this era. Golden goal would have won messi the world cup earlier in the finals.

What are you talking about?

What's golden goal got to do with 90 min group stage football. If France and Holland were in Argentina group, Argentina would have gone out in group stage after losing to Saudi, simple

FYI, Golden goal rule only lasted from 1996 to 2000. I watched football before Golden goal rule.

afrodoc2:
Soviet Union that won Euros in 1960 and Olympics in 1956 is what the guy is comparing to Iran.

Ignorance in low places. Imagine having to educate someone in order to debate him.

The bolded is when debate will turn to insult, and he will be wondering why

TLona1:
In 1958, Brazil had to face Soviet Union and Austria in the group stage.

In 1962, Czech Republic and Mexico

In 1970, Romania and Czech Republic.

How are these countries different from the modern day Poland, Iran, Mexico, Bosinia and co?

Abeg abeg

I don't like discussing nonsense with ignorant people

You have already shown enough ignorance for one day

Czech Republic reached the final in 1962

Soviet Union knocked out England in Group stage in 1958, beating them 2-0, why didn't you mention that. They were Olympic Champions and Euro Champions. So you have Brazil, England, Soviet Union and Austria in the group.

All you need to know is these were the top 16 teams that came through qualifying. If anybody is better than them, they would have qualified ahead of them. They are nothing like Iran, Bosnia and Nigeria.

We will not go into history lesson to satisfy your ignorance.

hensben:
Some of these teams were not actually great as at this time, e.g Spain, Mexico and France.

Spain has always been good, just not put it together. You can't have Real Madrid dominating UCL and say Spain aren't good while playing Madrid stars, DiStefano and co. The reason they didn't win anything is exactly the point, inability to escape the tough competition

France was good and prior World Cup semifinalist

Mexico has always been Mexico

I used that example for indomie generation. The toughest group was actually Brazil group, but because this indomie generation won't know about the Mighty Magyars (Hungary) of Puskas generation, I decided not to use that group as example

hensben:
Messi actually played France and Holland to win the cup.

Did he beat them in 90 mins or with help of penaltying Goalkeeper

If he faced them in Group stage instead of Poland and Mexico, he will be out with 2 points from Group stage

oliverano:
Honest question....

You've made valid points but why is CONMEBOL maligned so much because of having lesser teams?

The logic here is that having lesser teams means the competition is tougher which I kind of agree but why isn't this applied to the South American qualifiers/Copa America?

In what context? It must be in relation to Europe

CONMEBAL has only two heavyweight teams (Argentina and Brazil) as opposed to Europe that has Germany, France, Spain, England, Holland, Italy, Portugal, Belgium

2nd level down, you still have Croatia, Denmark, Switzerland vs Uruguay, Chile and Colombia

TLona1:
It's bot about start stat padding. It about the number of times the best teams will have to play which makes it harder.

For example, there'll be 48 teams in the next World cup. If Argentina still goes on to win the competition, it means they'll play more matches plus even having to face the best teams later on in the KO stage before getting to the final.

Now compare this with what happened in 1958, 62 and 70 where Brazil didn't have to play many matches to reach the final.

They're not the same at all.

It's 6 games in Pele time Vs 7 games now

The only missing link is 2nd round

All 6 games are tough because you are playing the top 16 qualifiers in the World and can easily get knocked out in group stage

You don't have an argument. Imagine Brazil, Holland, France and Mexico in the same group, that's the equivalent of what used to happen in Pele days, every group is group of death

You are capping nonsense. Check out these groups in 1966 World Cup.

Imagine Messi have to play France and Holland this World Cup after losing to Saudi instead of Poland and Mexico, tell me how he will smell 2nd round

TLona1:
It'll be more difficult because best teams will still get to play against each other later on when smaller teams get eliminated.

Nonsense. It just means players can statpad against weaker opponents in group stage and 2nd round

As it stands, the only top tier teams Messi has scored open play goals against in 5 World Cups are Holland and France

Rest of his records are against useless teams like Bosnia, Iran, Nigeria that won't qualify for World Cup in Peles time

TLona1:
Having 16 teams means they didn't habe to play group stage.

Na competition be that?

They play Group stage, then straight to QF

No 2nd round

Of course the less teams in a World Cup, the stiffer the opposition

Or you mean to tell me it will be more difficult to perform when FIFA expand to 48 teams and start giving people like New Zealand automatic entry from Australasia, probably 7 teams from Africa and Asia, reducing the quality of opponents

fredoooooo:
Bro e never reach this one , na football we dey look not politics ...
When we talk about politics, its a different ball game...
Argentina like you said did it and not Messi or their national team .
Should we also stop supporting Eggland or not watch EPL because of their past atrocities.
Germany recently return artifacts stole years ago to Nigeria , should we stop supporting Germany ?
I've deal with different nationalties in my line of profession and I've also deal directly with personal and systemic racism.
On this issue it's pure football for me and its sinply MESSI VS RONALDO.
And I'M HAPPY MESSI WON .
I don't know of your personal experiences with racism overthere ,but you're one of those I respect so much on this street ...

No overthink am, na agenda

TLona1:
Ibime, forgiveness and Bimffo so World cup 1958 and 1962 had just 16 participating countries?? Lmao.

Just shows how less the competition was then compared to now.

Another Reason Messi is the GOAT.

You must be high on cow dung

Having less teams means the competition is stiffer and shyt teams like Iran, Bosnia, Nigeria, Poland that Messi used to statpad get filtered out in the qualifiers

Theflint1:
Con be like say we don carry food from Jamaicans mouth with afrobeats

Yeah we definitely have. Ragga is off the airwaves now. Na Burna, Oxlade, Rema and Fireboy dey run our radio stations here. Even the Jamaicans are now vibing to our music

EmmanuelScott1:
Bro it's a voice over

Cc. ibime


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRmiAYnG-Q8

I know. I saw that the Qatar World Cup voice was the same as Buenos Aires one, then I remembered it's from his concert in Australia

Itsrm:
How do we know its not a voice over. Na fabrication and lies full most tiktok videos

I found out it is. Na the same voiceover from his Australia concert

Remas team is doing well. Like donjazzy said, do anything to trend before the algorithm forget about you

Donjazet2:
Ibime is an ijaw man by birth, but who emigrated, studied fantastically abroad, did well for himself, married a white lady,

My wife is black bro, you done repeat this line tire, it's incorrect

EmmanuelScott1:
True talk

See this one for Qatar


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oz2VWinrtS8

Oxlade Ku Lo Sa is also building up steam worldwide

Ellexy:
Is that video real?

Yes na, Rema done takeover Arab and Latin world

Nigga went diamond (10x platinum). The Selena Gomez remix gave it another boost in Latin World, but Arab tiktokers done spread am all over Arab world since

EmmanuelScott1:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xvyHTAaS2M

Honestly these boys are making us proud

Even Arab world is crazy for Rema. My daughter went to her Arab classmate party last weekend and my wife told me the Arab mums were all dancing calm down dance

The one wey shock me na when I see my CEO dey sing "I need Igbo and Shayo" for work Xmas party

Who done see that video of the whole Buenos Aires singing Calm Down by Rema

Oh boy, that gave me goosebumps