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Almajirihunter:
Ronald Reagan, Ibime fear God lmao , we understand it’s not easy to defend a GOAT you didn’t even celebrate one of his goals live

No lamba. You can check the records of what Reagan said about Pele

kokaneprodigy:
Y’all are wasting your time with Ibime, Obama, FIFA to name a few recognize Messi as GOAT you are arguing with someone that’s only known within the four walls of his room.

Una get energy to waste.

Ronald Reagan, Mohammed Ali, Mourinho recognise Pele as GOAT so what are you saying. What concern us with Obama who only knows basketball

FIFA did not recognise anything. The young nigga who tweeted that probably clearing his desk at FIFA HQ as we speak, and Tweet has been deleted

Arizoner:
pele had no weakness. Maybe his height but he was excellent in the air

He got one statistical weakness Pessimists can use against him, and that lies in Brazilian State Championship structure

donstan18:
FIFA deleted their post when called out for supporting Messi in the GOAT debate against Ronaldo.

I said the person in charge of Twitter account is a Gen Z person for posting that juvenile tweet, and will get a slap on the wrist - as if GOAT debate is between Messi and Ronaldo only. That's all current generation know

Every official FIFA position places nobody above PELE in their rankings. Even when younger generations, Italian and Argentines colluded to vote Maradona once for player of the century, FIFA still made Pele and Maradona share the award equally.

hensben:
His 500 goals plus we’re unofficial. He never won golden boot in any of the World Cup he played.

He has nearly 800 official goals, only 7 penalties inside

They removed 500 goals as unofficial

larride:
Ibime

Please check your pm

I've responded

Arizoner:
Pele did unimaginable things messi cannot try today. This was a man that played in the days of malicious tackles from ruthless defenders. Yet he was able to achieve so much

On the flip side, Messi played in an era where players cover more km so had less space to operate in

Whatever the reality of your era, just perform. A man cannot perform outside his era. You can't bring Mohammed Ali to be fighting 6ft 9 heavyweights in this day and age. To them he's just a cruiserweight, but he is still the greatest

Sportsweb:
What's the weakness?

Not playing in Europe?

Nope, the league he played in was as strong or stronger

It's something to do with the Brazilian tournament structure, but not the league itself

andrewbaba44:
When it’s weak team it’s only Messi that use to stat pad

Why can’t you talk about all the teams mbappe scored against ?

Your double standards is top notch

Mbappe has 5 goals against Argentina, 1 against Croatia, 2 against Denmark

That's 8 of his 12 World Cup goals

andrewbaba44:
Pele played in a weak league ,no matter how you try to sugarcoat it

There was nothing weak about Brazil league, or South America in general, whose clubs dominated the European ones in Intercontinental club

Nothing weak about Brazilian league that produced 3 World Cups. All Brazil players had to play in Brazil league or lose their National team spot by law,so those Brazil players dominating World Cup is what you find in Brazilian league. That was the quality of the Brazilian league

Pele was still the highest paid athlete (not footballer) from that same league

andrewbaba44:
World Cup then wasn’t even more than 4 groups ,so it’s even easier winning it then

Yeah, that's when shyt teams get sifted out in qualification stage, not like today when any Iran, Bosnia, Nigeria, Saudi or Poland come to World Cup so Messi can statpad with them

larride:
Una go just dey repeat anything una see online without bothering to check whether it's TRUE or not.

None of these Indomie generation have brought good argument against Pele

Pele has one weakness you can use to argue against him, but nobody has mentioned it, because none of them are grounded

To add, Pele played a lot shorter period than Messi, took only 7 penalties and dropped to midfield for the second half of his career, but still outperform Messi in non penalty goals

I am still waiting for one of these uninformed generation to mention the major weakness in Pele's legacy, and none are smart enough to mention it, instead of mentioning pure lies like offside rule Maybe the more informed can help them out

hensben:
Are you aware some of Pepe’s goals were offside if it were to be now.

Pele is a no10 dribbler not a goal hanger. Offside rule was even more stringent in Pele day. You have to have two men behind the ball

andrewbaba44:
He wasn’t the best player at the tournament,the way you speak it will look like pepe single handedly carried Brazil

It’s not anyone fault that he didn’t play the whole tournament nah

Jairzinho still outscored pele at the 1970 World Cup

You said Messi only scored 2 goals aside penalty ,but you are celebrating mbappe hatrick which includes 2 Pk because his name is not Messi ,why don’t you tell us how mbappe ghosted against Morocco and couldn’t score against England

Messi scored 3 non PK goals man

Messi scored 3 non penalty goals in his greatest ever World Cup

Pele scored 6 non penalty as a 17 year old just from QF to final

Messi only scored tapin from QF to final

Pele was injured in group stage, as soon as he got fit the Brazil players voted and told the coach he must play, the rest is history. They know Pele, the top scorer in Brazilian league at the age of just 16

When Messi was 19, Argentina were still benching him in 2006 World Cup

They gave Didi out of respect for age. It is human nature to overlook a 17 year old, knowing he would get more chances. Didi only scored 1 goal in 1958 WC, he was an old midfielder, same way they give Modric accolades over Vinicius knowing Modric is about to bow out and Vinicius has plenty time

Before Pele, Santos never won the league. After Pele they became perennial Champions and COPA Libertadores back to back winners. If Messi try that with Newell Old boys, we won't know him today

Pele - 12 non penalty goals and 10 assists in 14 matches

Messi - 8 non penalty goals and 8 assists in 26 matches.

Before you say, let Pele prove it in Europe, check what Pele did to the dominant UCL Champions Benfica in Intercontinental Cup

I repeat, THE GOAT IS THE GOAT

andrewbaba44:
Did you know that in 1958 Didi was the player of the tournament and not Pele?

In 1962 Pele didn't even play the tournament because he got injured after the first game.

Garrincha was such a great player that he led Brazil to victory even without Pele. That's how stacked that team was.

In 1970 Pele finally won his 1st player of the tournament after scoring 4 goals. But his teammate Jairzinho scored in every game of the tournament. Jairzinho scored 7 goals in 6 games

Ibime why didn’t you tell us all these ?

Pele came into the 1958 tournament in the QF, scored, then scored hattrick in the semi and brace in the final.

You say he didn't win POTT, that's because he didn't play the whole tournament, but he won YPOTT and the organisers have already given him something to hold body while respecting the elder Didi. His performance in that tournament is much better than anything Messi did in this World Cup.

None of the above includes penalties

Pele scored 4 in 1970, but dropped a ton of assists winning the golden ball

Once again, your Messi only scored two goals this tournament aside penalties

None of Pele records includes penalties

EOD

And we all know Messi golden ball in 2014 was a fraud, with no GA in the knockout stage

The GOAT Is the GOAT

popizaino:
Let us not also forget you said the bolded.

Internet good sha.

Na lie? He should show his performance in EPL

Madrid and Barca life good

Ballzproblem2:
penaldog dey disguise,I remember the time you told me Ronaldo is better than Messi,that you can't place Messi as goat cause he have not won world cup (few weeks later he won it),now he has,you are denying pendu like the way Peter denied Jesus, truly truly, "success has many friends failure is an orphan". fake people everywhere.

Quote it

For the avoidance of doubt, I am not a converted Penduist.

Pele remains my GOAT, while Messi just moved above Maradona to second place in my rankings

Ibime:
Tah! Ronaldo is never better than Messi, and you will never hear that from me, but I will continue bto celebrate Ronaldo victories to troll the Barkabots.

Unlike you, I call all shakushaku what they are. I criticised Hazard severally on here because I really believe in productivity for attacking players. That is my outlook to the game.

Iniesta is the ultimate shakushaku. The King of all Eunuchs. Ribery and Hazard were learning work where he was. Now at least Hazard is becoming productive, but Iniesta till his dying day was a shakushaku carryalong.

kokaneprodigy:
Penduists have been reduced to supporting egg

popizaino:
The only problem here is that [b]no 7 [/b]on the list. That zidane keeps getting more recognition than Andres iniesta will always prove my point Zidane is the most overrated player ever and iniesta is the most underrated footballer ever .

Everything is wrong with that list, most glaringly Messi over Pele and Baggio over Di Stefano and Muller, and also Maldini in top 15 over Lothar Matthaus. What rag tag publication did this?

And Fraudniesta remains the most overrated of all time

PDPGuy:
Hmmm.. When FIFA’s official account says the GOAT debate is settled, then something must be fishy…

Gen Z Twitter fingers handling the account should be sacked for that nonsense. That's far from FIFA official position

popizaino:
The list is annoying. The only thing right about is that Andres iniesta is above Xavi Hernandez as usual.

Everything is wrong with that list, especially Kevin Keegan below Fraudniesta

Fraudniesta presence in any list invalidates the list, but I know say na the Modric placement above him wey pain you pass

Congratulations to Kolo Toure, first African manager in England with Wigan

He had a tough choice to make - keep earning money as Brendan Rodgers assistant forever, or go for it as manager where he could be sacked and lose his guaranteed income within 6 months

I reckon we have another flat or down day tomorrow, then a Santa Clause rally from Wednesday to Friday, then back to shorting from January as the markets start to price in a recession

Ballzproblem2:
lol as usual asslicker, everybody knows na banter ,Ibeme is somebody I like,but I like pulling his legs ,now crawl back to whole.

You wey pose for your former dp with native cap. If I look your face, you fit done old for me to call you Uncle sha. Abi you be young man with old face

biomustry:
Griezmann no dey

Griezmann was a liability for France from QF to final

Deschamps knew it, he just didn't want to send out an all black team until the final forced his hand

Arizoner:
Mbappe better than Henry! Seriously! Did you watch Henry in 98, Euro2000 and 2006? Did you watch Henry in arsenal? This should be the first and the last time you mention Mbappe and Henry in the same sentence. Dem no be mate.

You definitely didn't watch Henry in those tournaments cos he was nothing special. Henry at Arsenal was probably the best player in the World for a couple of years, but not with France

raumdeuter:
If Messi made Guardiola
What role did Xavi and Inesta play
And Martinez made Messi

And Arsenal made Martinez
Wenger made Arsenal
So Wenger made Guardiola

I like your thinking. Le Prof started the tikitaka sef

raumdeuter:
World cup has finished, time to start pick agendas

Starting with Giroud underlining his uselessness by being yanked off in the first half of a world cup final

Kylian Mbappe better than Thierry Henry. He dominated a world cup final unlike Henry who was either benched or choked at big stages

Agendas checklist -

You can see how penalties change narrative - Mbappe went from also-ran to debatable contender for golden ball thanks to two penalties after Griezmann left the pitch

Griezmann 2018 performance was nothing without two penalties, which were won by Mbappe

Mbappe was actually the star of 2018 WC, not Griezmann

Messi made Fraudiola, confirmed

Martinez gave Messi life in Copa and WC. No other GOAT depended repeatedly on penalty shootout goalkeeper

Giroud is useless unless his team is dominant, confirmed

Hakimi vs James argument back in play

Obrigardo:
In a soily dirty shameful act at dodging accountability for running Twitter down the toilet, Elno will now step down as CEO of Twitter.

Someone check on basilico and Ono locos

He's already picked CEO before launching this poll. Same thing he did with poll on selling Tesla stock to pay taxes, knowing he needed to sell to cover tax liabilities on some vested stock. He's a master manipulator. Everything is for drama effect

Efo riro - best thing from Yoruba land

Petition for Messi 2ng goal to be disallowed as Argentina had 13 men on the pitch. . . . let's go to VAR check. . . .

lordfalcao:
not bad. Will put modric ahead of Bernardo for me

Kovacic ball pass Modric for WC