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timbros:
Interesting how you you bring up excuses upon excuses to discredit Jorginho.

From opposition players being on Sarr levels to TT playing fullbacks as wingers to 442 vs 433 comparison to Conte not being interested in attacking through the middle to etc etc etc

Shebi we play low block to accommodate Jorginho? Didn't Tuchel play 343 to protect Jorginho?

It is what it is my nigga. All factors are valid.

Jogginghoe discredited himself when he let Bergwijn bulldoze him for Kane to score. I'm sure we would see more of that if he actually faced an AM on him.

TT was actually forced into the 4-3-3 in the Carabao cup when he didn't have his 3 centre backs. From there he noticed that Conte is not interested in attacking the middle and felt confident to do it again. We will see if he carries it forward. Last time Brighton matched up with 3 in midfield with someone actually on Jogs, we saw how he was pushed back and all at sea.

benalvino3:
Who are those filling me with soot? Have you seen me rooting for any politician? Nope.

It's funny how it's Goodluck Jonathan, not obasanjo

During Goodluck Jonathan, the country was not in this mess.

You cannot tell the future, you think you have hindsight to speak the crap you are speaking now but it's not the case.

The incompetent idiots from the north, the uneducated fools you support are the ones mismanaging the country.

If he is doing such a good job why not support him for a second term?

You are still the one who supported militant groups, Mend, ateke who is a killing and a king through gun. These fools are uneducated, they want a share of the oil money but they can't solve 2+2.

These are thing kind of lunacy you support.

I came across guys who I never thought existed till we brought in 2 trailers of generators to share for the ogoni community. These guys said the trailers cannot enter our premecies till we pay them. 250k was payed to them before them begin kidnap us. That's how they made their living. Today we kept 2 of those generators because of what those guys from a community we want to empower did to us.

You want to do roads for them in their communities, they ask you to pay them to fix their roads... That's the lunacy you support, MEND and militant behavior.

If you recall the Soot began exactly in 2015 when PDP took over Rivers State. That was the settlement for the boys and militants, and hustle for the PDP bigwigs.

Things were not bad as this during Goodluck doesn't mean things weren't set up to be bad. Man left an empty cupboard with nothing to show and even blew the billions Obasanjo had left and judiciously saved, same thing he did in Bayelsa in just 18 months. I make no apology for going with Buhari over him because I saw first hand the works of Buharis PTF from school desks to school buses and infrastructure, roads etc, and even as Petroleum Minister he built 4 refineries, unlike Goodluck time where just completing Benin-Ore road or 2nd Niger Bridge was looking like a mission to Mars while they just shared money. Buhari look like someone who if given a budget will execute the project unlike Goodluck camp who will chop it. As fate would have it, the Buhari we saw was dementia riddled, and oil price collapse meant we are barely covering recurrent overheads.

I am not a supporter of any Ateke. My clan was at war with his faction infact.

Did you just admit to stealing two generators?

benalvino3:
It just goes to show lunacy, it's probably support for a nation destroyer given that these guys, budaatum, ibime, AmazonTopaz all supported buhari, AmazonTopaz even extended her support on his second run.

They support anything that destroys a nation and you can see why that is on this thread

And you support those who fill your lungs with soot

Your man Goodluck already destroyed your nation, you couldn't see it because Oil was at all time high. I make no apologies for supporting Buhari first time round because Buhari had a record of delivery both as Director of the PTF and as Petroleum Minister

donstan18:
343 dey limit our attackers true true.

As bad as it may seem, Odoi was actually brilliant today with some progressive ball.

Hakim, Mount and Lukaku too.

The workload on Jorginho and Kovacic actually reduced because of Mount, reason we didn’t seem them much in the game.

Kudos to Tuchel, he was very tactical with the formation, leaving Alonso and Fraudvertz on bench.

It's a cause for concern for some leprous fingers that TT deployed a no10 today and Havertz was overlooked (formation said two 8s, although it certainly looked like Mount was the most advanced). Also looks like TT is making Odoi and Ziyech his preferred 3. I wonder how far for Werner, Pulisic and Havertz, man just shunned them for the last month.

Ziyech was a different gravy today, looked like Ajax Ziyech. Combination with a no10 seemed to be what he thrives on, not busting a lung to counterattack from his half.

Didn't expect Tottenham to mount a midfield challenge despite what the noisemakers say as I don't expect a 4-4-2 to compete with a 4-3-3 for possession, especially not a 4-4-2 playing two fullbacks as wingers. Keen observers would still note your boy Jogginghoe showing his defensive weakness for your boy Winks to breeze past him and take a shot at Kepa and Bergwijn bulldozing through him for the disallowed Kane goal. I hope we keep the same formation but when we come across teams matching a 4-3-3 with an AM on the cameraman, I expect that these escort moments will become more pronounced. Tuchel knows Conte is not interested in attacking through the middle of the midfield and never has, it will be interesting to see if he will match often against a 4-3-3 team.

raumdeuter:
Don't let me start on Eguavoen yet. Let's just win this match. I have enough content on him.

I remember our France 98 qualifiers vs Titi Camara Guinea. Tough match Amokachi scored a beautiful goal and Eguavoen already on a yellow pulled his shirt to celebrate thus getting a second yellow cum red in a crucial qualifier

The mumu has always been stupid

See as the eediot fell asleep for Caniggia goal against Argentina, man actually left Caniggia to go running to the centre

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Then see how he finally knocked us out against Italy with this penalty when his teammate is right there to clear the ball

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I heard he even physically attacked Westerhoff after the match for something that he caused

olabode89:
Eguavon don mad! wetin Umar Sadiq wan do??

Eguavoen was the only disappointment in 1994 squad and he's a disappointment till date. He's the nigga that allowed that quick Argentinian freekick down his side and also gave away the rash penalty against Italy to lose the game

Nigga really brought on beanpoles like Olayinka and Umar Sadiq and took off the only player with the composure to unlock a packed defence. SMH

hensben:
Na red card. Him March the guy leg.

Not every match is a red card. That's not even a yellow. Man was just trying to spin on the ball

So Eguavoen actually brought off Kelechi in this game? I missed that.

I said it, this guy is useless

Will never forget trekking to Brentford stadium in 2007 or so to watch this clown lead us to a 4-1 defeat against Ghana while the mumu was looking like olodo on the bench. That was my last time attending Super Eagles friendly in UK which I always attended since 2002 or so

The Video Assistant Referee is smoking something

Can barely see us getting back in this game. Keeper fück up there. Worst case scenario for us

It shall not be well with TT for bringing on Alonso and spoiling my 7 points for Rudiger

Tunisia is just parking 11 men behind the ball and turning this into a game of luck. Reason I don't like facing North African teams. They've been getting space to counterattack here and there as well

This Tunisia look like ago came here to frustrate and chance their luck. We need an early goal to bring them out of their shell

donjazet:
Right, when it comes to Tottenham leaking goals, it's the fault of everyone except your tout, but when Chelsea slumps, it's all on jorginho. What a beautiful mentality you have.

You can only deceive your gullibles and sheeples.
See what hate does to a heart.

Don't know anyone in that Spurs team who has been a first team cert in that team over the last two years except Lloris, Hojberg and Kane. Calling them Sessegnon, Doherty, Davies, Bergwijn and co is like calling Zappacosta, Kenedy, Barkley and Drinkwater to feature for Chelsea

Football no be lawn tennis

donjazet:
Ibime, where is horjtout in this match.

Imagine that conte had to play community defense to protect this weakling and he's still nowhere to be seen.

Everytime jorginho and horjtout meet head to head, El professor comes out top, how far na??

Doherty
Sessegnon
Tanganga
Dier
Sanchez
Winks
Emerson

These should all be Sarr level players except Kane and Hojberg

Football is not lawn tennis

timbros:
Let me make one thing clear. Tuchel doesn't park the bus since he came to Chelsea, with or without Jorginho.

Man City is the only team to have dominated us in Tuchel's one year in charge so far.

We have NEVER parked the bus even against all the Madrids, Spurs, Man Utds, Atleticos we met. I don't know where this park the bus talk come from.

All the loss and draws we have had, oppositions actually park the bus against us. Man City is the ONLY team to dominate us.

Passing the ball amongst your defenders and defending with 7 and attacking with not more than 4 is parking the bus that went to Havard.

If you have any further questions, ask your forward why they are not scoring.

You went into your shell against Brighton 3 weeks ago and busy making noise

raumdeuter:
A year before Jorginho, Cuntay won the league with 93 points and he didnt play attacking football, Pep and Klopp are the ones who made 90points a norm and if you change Jorginho, As long as your coach does not have an extreme attacking ideology like Pep, it wuld be hard to play attacking football. Peps attacking football is being anchored by an "escort" Rodri

Secondly, Mikel was not your first choice DM most of his years at Chelsea. Gegen pressing is not the only way to win, Cuntay won and he didnt gegen press

Thirdly it was only the Chelsea team under Carlo Ancelotti that was attacking and that was when you scored 103 goals. Other coaches even when they had Essien Makelele could not consistently play an attacking pattern and you've had almost 10 coaches even Scolari failed with his attacking football despite having Makelele Essien, AVB and RdM failed with Mereilles and Mikel

Chelsea team was as attacking as they needed to be. And in games where the other team scored first, they were able to attack as needed with good DMs to protect them. We did this many times, that's why we win comfortably. So despite not being all-out attacking, in games where result was not in our favour, we could commit to attack.

Scolari did not suffer defensive collapse like the days of Jogginghoe apart from the 3-0 vs Manure. Scolari problem was his team held ball so much without penetration, other teams will just park bus and draw 0-0 or win by single goal. This is much different to Sarri who will try to play attacking football and teams will target Jogginghoe and win 4-0

Mikel was first choice DM in 2012 and attempt to play attacking football with him led to inevitable result

Finally the below is also important because we saw it severally under Sarri and Lampard We didn't need to go gung-ho to be inconsistent under Sarri and Lampard. Mere trying to go toe to toe in a medium block led to inconsistent results and many disgraces

Ibime:
To add, it's not only about attacking football or going gung-ho. Jogginghoe does not even allow us to play a medium block at any sort of consistency.

lordfalcao:
Conte’s era
Man U 2-0 Chelsea . Kante, matic, fab

Newcastle 3-0 Chelsea. Kante, bakayoko fab

Chelsea 0-3 Bournemouth. Kante , bakayoko, fab, DW

Watford 4-1 Chelsea. Kante , bakayoko, fab DW

Chelsea 1-4 Tottenham kante fab, bakayoko, DW

Newcastle 3-0 Chelsea. Kante, bakayoko, barkley.

These are the embarrassing moments we had under conte alone, and the mildfielders in the match day squad in each of the game.. not mentioning embarrassing moments with other previous managers before conte..

Stop making things look like, immediately Jorginho came to Chelsea, we started having embarrassing numbers

Bakayoko in all of them. That's your Jogginghoe comparison. Clap for yourself. Jogginghoe should be sent away like Bakayoko

I attended the Manure match live at Old Trafford That was a 2-0 but not due to midfield dominance. They scored early and we spent the rest of the game trying to equalise.

raumdeuter:
You've been supporting Chelsea for about 25yrs, Jorginho has been part of that for just 4 seasons

How many seasons in the last 20yrs did you play attacking football consistently?

Despite the attacking football Roman wants Chelsea have only won big things with defensive football

To add, it's not only about attacking football or going gung-ho. Jogginghoe does not even allow us to play a medium block at any sort of consistency.

donjazet:
If we have never seen jorginho play in an attacking system. This would be believable, but jorginho was the centerpiece if an ultra-attacking system in Napoli. Setting personal records while doing so. So this talk is a product of the bullshite factory.

Wrong. Jogginghoe has always shown the propensity to be ultra dominant when there is a wide disparity between the quality of his team and their opponents, which is the case with Napoli and other Serie A teams at that time. It's no different from Jogginghoe making 180 passes against Newcastle and Stoke, and being bullied when facing Bournemouth, Aston Villa or even Brighton. No different from dominating other farmers league teams with Napoli but struggling in the UCL when facing his mates.

raumdeuter:
You've been supporting Chelsea for over 2 decades, Jorginho has been part of that for just 4 seasons

How many seasons in the last 20yrs did you play attacking football consistently?

Jogginghoe came to Chelsea in 2018, the era where it becomes impossible to challenge for the league without supreme attacking consistency, so he can't be judged the same as those who can win league with 85 points.

Secondly, I have had problem with Chelsea DM like Mikel not being able to put Chelsea in an attacking set-up for the last decade so let's not act like this is new. This moreso with the introduction of new attacking ideas from gengen pressing etc

Thirdly, the successful Chelsea teams of 2000s though they played in a different era where they could be solid and win consistently, often had the tools to step up the pitch and attack to get the required results if they found that their solid set-up wasn't working in the game. They had likes of Makelele and Essien that will take care of everything at the back give the team freedom if required. So though a solid team, they were capable of going toe to toe as required, except against Barcelona. That same team also has the highest goals in an EPL season 103, second only to Man City 106 to show you they had the tools. Everytime you try that with Jogginghoe, it leads to a defensive collapse.

reccy:
I'm beginning to see reason to what ibime is saying. Way before, I was part of those who thought that he was just hating or being unecessary bias, but after relating his point here to what I watch, omoh, I see correlations and these are very detrimental to any serious title contending team having Liverpool and man city to contend with.

Truly, ibime is not hating, He Is just bringing fact to why we keep failing to win league giving the investment we've made. If you want to see an attacking chelsea and an highline chelsea playing, there is needs for us to have a standard DM who is quick, transitive and fit enough to take risk while neutralising any form of threats from opposition.

This, no doubt, has an effect on our attackers and strikers being poor all season which inevitably has a resultant effect on overall Chelsea performance.

I called one of my guy to the arguments here especially the ibime and co, and also havertz and mount's. He Is yet to come in term with the jorginho's ineptitude which is causing us a lot. To him, jorginho is the best register and is the best thing after the fruit of garden.

I enjoy it when people are able to see beyond stats and call out any player for their negligence.

This has been my only point ever since. All this talks back and forth boils down to one single point. We can't play attacking football consistently with Jogginghoe. We have plenty evidence of failing to do so for four years and only evidence of Jogginghoe success we have was parking bus in tournament football

swiz123:
You should have noticed that Lukaku is minus one when we face a decent team... How can we compete with such a striker?

I would find that out when we start playing progressive football. For now, I don't know anything. I don't know many strikers who don't statpad against small and midtable teams by the way. Big games are often decided on fine margins.

lordfalcao:
oga rest.

I meant even during conte tenure we had embarrassing score line.

Watford beat us 4-1 who was the dms then.

Before Jorginho came this club has been having embarrassing score line ..

Who were the DM’s involved?

Or should I list the embarrassing score lines we have had at least each season before Jorginho came

DMs then where Bakayoko and/or Fabregas. Thanks for identifying the standard you expect of Joggy. That particular game Bakayoko even got redcard due to loose touch

lordfalcao:
even during sarri time we had embarrassing score lines like when watford beat us 4-1

Exactly, we had many including Bournemouth 4-0, City 6-0, Arsenal 2-0. That was when we discovered we can never go toe to toe with other teams consistently with Jogginghoe in our midfield, and all the records since have confirmed it. Jogginghoe limits us to a bus parking team at best, and an inconsistent and easy-to-beat team if we try to play attacking. This is non negotiable for a club like Chelsea

swiz123:
I have always been skeptical of Lukaku. Even when I said we should sign him, I was just being hopeful since we couldn't get our first choice target.

I have watched Lukaku closely since his time at Utd and I was never impressed with his general game play. You can score goals but the team won't achieve anything due to the way you play... That's just the case with Lukaku. Being pummeled out of the UCL by Shaktar Donestk and Mochenglabach while dominating in an inferior league should have been clue enough. I was even more convinced when he bullying small teams in the Euros but couldn't even make Bonucci and Chielini break a sweat.

Jorginho is intelligent, and I love intelligence by default. He found a way to adapt and stay competitive, such traits should be applauded.

Be quiet. We don't know what you will say next week. This is you in August

swiz123:
I also believe Chelsea are favorites to win the league. They have the fire power

swiz123:
My opinion can change to keep up the current realities. I always knew that Lukaku was an imbecille but I thought he had improved because of my negligible interest in the farmer's league he came from. Now he is a Chelsea player and I have critically analysed him and I find his weakness detrimental to our collective success.

This is football, players can regress or improve;why can't opinions about them change. Jorginho gave me an L and I peacefully took. In fact, I wish every Chelsea player I have criticized will give me an L.

Only an obese lunatic would expect no improvement from a player they don't like because they are egotistically stupid to ever fault their own opinion.

Shut up. So your opinion changed in one summer.

Now you are claiming it's farmers league that made you like Lukaku as if Lukaku has not performed consistently in EPL.

Even in Lukakus supposed poor spell at Manure, he scored 27 goals in a season. You claimed Lukakus lack of movement is our problem but he has more than doubled the goal output of Havertz you told us is one of the most intelligent movers in the game, while playing similar minutes.

You better keep quiet because we don't know whether what you are saying now will change by next week. Someone who will call Jogginghoe not fit to be a footballer in December and hail him the best thing since sliced bread in January

Now you are claiming you always knew Lukaku was an slowpoke when you said this in 2020, and shouted that we would win the league when you saw Lukaku scoring few goals in August

swiz123:
You were happy for Chelsea to get Morata who was being benched at Madrid in place of Lukaku who was a premier league proven performer. More so, knowing fully well that Conte's tactics works with a strong and fast centre forward.

donjazet:
This is all semantics, aimless scapegoating and emotional ranting from a fan after a match.
I do acknowledge when jorginho has a bad game. Now do YOU acknowledge when he has a good game?? Has there been any game you said, jorginho was wonderful today. What an exceptional performance, hopes he keeps it up.

You still did not answer my earliest question?
What are the tangible metrics to know your ideal DM? And who is currently your best and ideal DM in the game?

Why does it matter acknowledging if he has a good game when the good games are not consistent, and not in a set-up I believe will challenge for the league, and the consistency drops dramatically when the set-up I believe is vital to challenge for the league is deployed.

Segedinho:
And who was he protesting when both kovacic and Kante started.?

Or

Why is he still protecting the mid when both Kante and kovacic are fit

I'm sure you know that a team that trains a certain way for a year with all players responsibilities mapped out, even how the wing-backs will make their runs and how to find them, won't change set-up overnight without a sustained period of training in the new set-up. And we still have the Alonso factor which is a contributor.

swiz123:
Those comments were reinforced by the transfer ban which made me lenient with your fraudster.

It became obvious that the scammer was out to destroy our club when we invested heavily in our squad with nothing to show for it -- a squad which immediately won the UCL with no additional investment.

I have seen my mistake, especially when Jorginho was lifting all manner of awards while Lampfraud was rightfully jobless.

Shut up. You saw Chris and Rudiger under Conte and Sarri and labelled them useless

You saw Jogginghoe under Sarri and labelled him not fit to be a footballer.

You saw Lukaku score few goals and started hyping that you are sure Chelsea will win the league and shut Jogginghoe haters up, believing that Lukaku will score the goals needed to get the job done. Now Lukaku is the source of all your woes.

You think calling Lampard name will absolve you.

Now today you change mouth again. Not surprising for someone unsure of their gender

I would rather discuss with likes of Timbros and Donjazet who have always been Jogginghoe fans even when he was getting pilloried daily because they genuinely have a different orientation as to their expectations from a DM, than a flip flopper like you