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Segedinho:
Ok in other words....

Kante-matic was more successful.


I only ask wch combo was more successful oga

I think you've now realised that Matic and Kante did not play any European tournament together

So help me answer your own question below according to the competitions they played together

Segedinho:
So it is impossible to measure d most combo with Kante


Isn't that what you are saying?

Segedinho:
So it is impossible to measure d most combo with Kante


Isn't that what you are saying?

The Jogs combo with Kante has failed to produce above 72 points in 3 attempts and looking likely to produce 74 points if we extrapolate the current league table on the fourth attempt.

The Matic combo with Kante produced 93 points in 1 attempt

If what you want to say is 1 UCL > 1,000 EPL, say it.

While doing so, bear in mind that Matic never played any European tournament with Kante so we can only judge what they played together

BikeMan:
Now tell us how the numbers suggest that he has

It's your statement. I can pull up the stats, but I'll let you pull it and disprove yourself.

BikeMan:
The agenda strikes again but thank God for the internet. Again, Matip has never been in a defence that had more cleansheets than Rudiger's. A defender that cannot get an average of 25 games in all the seasons you quoted is suddenly better than Rudiger. Your agenda reeks

Stop changing mouth and back your original statement below.

BikeMan:
Even without Tuchel's formation, Matip has never been in a defence that conceded less goal than Rudiger's but continue your agenda

Segedinho:
We are not discussing d set up oga


Wch combo has been more successful

Matic-Kante

Or

Joginho-Kante..

It doesn't matter who u like or prefer

Mount played with Kante but KDB never did....ur defence doesn't make sense


I am not even asking abt who is better bw matic n jogs self

Your question is redundant.

If you are asking me who I preferred between Matic and Jogs, I preferred Matic.

If you are asking whether I prefer Mikel or Makelele, I prefer Makelele. They both played with Lampard in the midfield. So you see how foolish the question is.

If what you want to say is 1 UCL > 1,000 EPL titles just say it cos that's the only point I see in your post.

BTW, Matic only played one season with Kante and immediately delivered while Jogs playing with Kante will.leave you wondering every week whether you will make top4 for 3 years straight

Segedinho:
Am I talking abt who to lead us as time progresses.

Matic anchored d midfiekd with Kante for a period of time likewise joginho.

The constant here is Kante

D question is so direct....

Wch combo has been more successful.....

What are we discussing here if not how the team should set up

Your question is worse than asking whether Mount 1 UCL title is more successful than KDB Prem titles.

lordfalcao:
another rubbish opinion..

In what category is Southampton at Westham level in any where in football..

If Westham are playing attacking football and in Southampton level.

What football is Man U, Arsenal , Tottenham playin and. What’s thier level..

You are quite foolish. Go and pull up the league table and see how West Ham goal output compares to Southampton and other clubs of their stature. Their attacking outlook helped to out-perform midtable clubs of their stature, your mumu brain went to compare them to Chelsea who are in a different category.

The minute I said West Ham are an attacking team, you should have looked at their structure and the way they play, how many attackers they commit forward and confirmed it, but telling you simple things is like cracking coconut. West Ham goals scored and xG both at number 4 in the Prem confirms their attacking outlook.

lordfalcao:
another rubbish and silly talks..

Westham with 11 goals difference and Chelsea with 28 goal difference.

Antonio with 20 percent of thier goal contribution.. with 8 goals. Others with less than 5 goals.

So Westham is playing attacking football and Chelsea is playing low block..

You can say very rubbish things to drive a point

Remember I said this:

Ibime:
If you are as stüpid as I know you are, I know what your next response will be.

And you responded according to the level of foolishness I knew you were capable of. So you didn't see West Ham mates like Southampton and co to compare them to, you chose to compare with Chelsea. If I say Norwich is an attacking team, would you expect them to have the same goal output as Bayern? Of all members of this thread, you are consistently the most foolish.

Segedinho:
Oga...u just dey type many unnecessary things.

Kante with joginho

Or

Kante with matic...

Wch is more successful

Am talking about a combo involving the almighty kante

Na wao

You are asking foolish question and still persistent.

Ask yourself which is more consistent and reliable to win.

As a Chelsea fan, would you prefer the team of Mikel, Ramires and Bosingwa representing you this season, or would you prefer the team of Makelele, Essien and Lampard.

When you answer my question, you have your answer.

Segedinho:
2012 was better cos they had something much more important to show for it.


What is foolish abt d simple and direct question I humbly ask.

Wch midfields combo was successful bw.

Kante and matic

Or

Kante with joginho.......

Firstly Matic won 2 EPL titles, and challenged for another one in 2014. Also finished 2nd at Manure.

Do you like to jubilate every weekend or do you prefer to cry every weekend in the hopes that come end of season, a manager will work some tactical magic and win you a cup?

League form shows the strength of the players, Cup can be due to luck.

And BTW, I won't pick a Matic today, football has changed, and he was more preferable to Mikel at the time.

Bombblacks:
You cannot play anything more than counter attacking football with kante in midfield Anything else is bound to fail.

Kante is not much different from Milner, Keita and many Liverpool midfielder profiles. You are wrong. What you mean is you can't play tikitaka with Kante

Havertz10:
it will be easier to integrating him than it would have ever been with that pregnant buffalo, haven't even talked about the understanding that he will build with havertz or the benefits he will give our brand on and off the field.

You know Havertz is flopping when you are hanging on to unrealistic hopes of signing Messi in order to save him

lordfalcao:
moyes and attacking football together..

Wow

Whether you like it or not, Bowen, Antonio, Benrahma and Fornals are playing attacking football and are in the top4 for goals scored in the Premier League because they commit men to attack. If you are as stüpid as I know you are, I know what your next response will be.

swiz123:
Ibime should tell us once and for all why TOT regressed immediately they signed the "robust" DM horjtout.

In your village, I guess going from 59 points to 62 is regression

Bombblacks:
Is it Jorginho or kante who can't play in a possession based team? Might be wrong but every time Chelsea has adopted a possession based system or a more progressive midfield system kante has always been a passenger. From conte 3-5-2 to Sarri 4-3-3.

Don't confuse possession based midfield with an attacking team. Fabinho is not a possession based DM but his team is an attacking one. Declan Rice is not a possession DM but his team is an attacking one. We are talking about where the DM allows the manager to place the team on the pitch, sitting deep or on the front foot?

lordfalcao:
.
in a title winning season only playing low block football in 3-4-3 with two robust DM..

Is that attacking football

The challenge of 2017 is different from the challenge of 2022

Segedinho:
Oga ibime


Please no long epistle.

Which is more successful and wch do u prefer?

Kante with matic =1 PL

Kante with joginho= 1UCL..1 super cup..1 Europa.


Please..just go straight to d point

Don't ask foolish questions man.

Which Chelsea players do you prefer?

The Chelsea players of 2004-2006 or the Bosingwa and Ramires team of 2012

donjazet:
Was kloop a failure last season with 67 points? 2016 {7th} and 2017??
Was kloop a failure in these seasons?

Klopp missed his whole defence and goalkeeper for the season

I didn't say Sarri was a failure BTW. He delivered to the status of the team which is a top 4 team. What I said is we saw during Sarris tenure that Jogginghoe is not the man for the job.

lordfalcao:
matic and kante was a robust Dm.. how did the attack fared in the years they served before Jorginho was signed

93 points and double digit goals all round for Costa, Pedro and Hazard.

As we stand now our two strikers have 5 EPL goals and 2 goals each and Jogginghoe remains our top goalscorer with penalties.

donjazet:
I am pointing out that sarri's stay with us was not a disaster as Ibime would like us to believe.

We went on a long unbeaten run. We reached 2 cup finals and we finished 3rd which is the highest position and points we've ever finished since we last won the league. Much better than Guardiola and kloop did in their first full seasons. We didn't fail.

Sarris stay was the epitome of playing Jogginghoes way and he was bullied all over the park. We finished on 72 points and only qualified for top4 in the penultimate game. Along the way, we saw many disgraces and our midfield overrun in 6-0, 4-0 scorelines etc that told any serious Chelsea fan that they can never bet on a league challenge or a competitive attacking midfield with Jogginghoe

Havertz10:
In another reality Chelsea signed messi, and our front line has messi havertz Werner

And by god they cooked

Can Messi press?

BikeMan:
Even without Tuchel's formation, Matip has never been in a defence that conceded less goal than Rudiger's but continue your agenda

Lies won't go unchecked on this thread.

Rudiger arrived Chelsea in 2017

Goals conceded:

2017/18 - Liverpool 38, Chelsea 38

2018/19 - Liverpool 22, Chelsea 39

2019/20 - Liverpool 33, Chelsea 56 (although Matip injured for large parts)

2020/21 - Matip injured most of the season

It's only Matip injury of last season and TT revival that will make Rudiger and Matip debatable if you focus solely on their records

How can you lie so blatantly with confidence?

donjazet:
You really shouldn't be offended if I'm calling you a bullshite factory because I'm truly overwhelmed with your numerous falsehoods.
You would say just about anything to make jorginho look bad.

First you said Napoli's attack and defence were rated while the midfield wasn't Ibime fear God na. Did the coach himself not mark jorginho out as the most essential player to his system? Did this coach who built his own attacking system not drag jorginho away from mancity to bring him with him to Chelsea??
Did this jorginho not set multiple individual passing records in a league of over a century??
Look at the picture below for reference.

You would say just about anything to downgrade this player. Sarri saw jorginho as the most essential player to his team but Ibime would tell us that that's not the case.

Secondly, I don't understand your effort to downgrade Napoli because of the league. Juventus and napoli were very strong teams at that point. I even remember Roma beating Barca to the semis while juve got to the final twice.
The top 6 teams of the top 4 leagues usually have strong talented individuals.

That Napoli team produced cavani, higuain, mertens, insigne, koulibaly, jorginho, Allan etc.

These are wonderful players.
You would say just anything to downgrade this player. So an Italian team that produced finalist twice and multiple semifinal appearances is too weak? Tell me the difference between Norwich and spezia or Burnley and Crotone. Would someone say the EPL is shite because Liverpool and mancity are now consistently getting 98 points??

You just named all the good players in Napoli's attack and defence.

Maybe the reason they didn't win is their DM

Trevor012:
Sir all these ones are stories. We saw Jorginho already excelled in an attacking set up at Napoli. It already rendered that part of your argument useless.

Even a 38 year old Xabi Alonso can go and do well in Serbian league if he come out of retirement today. The Miralem Pjanic who beasted Jogginghoe in that league for 4 years straight was immediately bombed out of Barcelona. When Lazio is the top scoring team in the league and every team except Juve is bundled out unceremoniously from UCL and Europa, you should know that's nothing to boast about. 91 points in the league and losing to Shakhtar and Feyenoord in UCL tells me that league was crap.

When Sarri brought Jorginho to EPL to try the same thing, below is what we saw, Bournemouth bullying us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5axvFrCZWyk

donjazet:
Tell me any Chelsea striker that has delivered 30goals and assists in the last 4 years.
Why are you blaming Chelsea's woes on just one player?
Jorginho's role in the team is to ensure we dominate and control the game. He is not there to score goals. Just control the midfield and dictate play efficiently.
This he has usually done well as his passing records over the years show.

Who doesn't know that we've struggled because of the impotence of our attackers.
All our attackers have been struggling massively.

Why will your attackers succeed when the manager is preoccupied with packing the defence due to lack of a robust DM.

Napoli strikers rated best in the league

Napoli defenders rated best in the league.

Tell me where Napoli fell short.

Your 91 points in farmers league means nothing in EPL. A farmer's league where their league winners can't come out of UCL group stage, a farmer's league where Napoli couldn't come out of UCL group stage, getting bundled out by Shakhtar Donetsk. A farmers league where AC Milan and Inter were no better than Everton at that point.

Maybe if Napoli had a better DM, they would have done better.

Tell me a time when Jogginghoe has been consistently successful at Chelsea without playing defensive football.

donjazet:
Of course the hate shines through. At this point you should be called the bullshit_ factory.
You say jorginho cannot succeed in an attacking team, Someone who was in an ultra-attacking team that accumulated 91 points in the league. It's pointed out to you, you say it's because of others around him but in Chelsea that have been unstable previously, it's wholly because of jorginho.

BULLSHIT FACTORY. you keep manufacturing bullshite steadily.

It's only you that will call busquet, rodri, jorginho, pirlo "escorts" despite being extremely successful in their teams. in the same vein you want horjtout, a player who is worse than a failure in his team.

As I've said since, you can only Keep hating this player while his star keeps shining bright.

European player of the year.
3rd best balondor player.
UEFA team of the year.
FIFPRO team of the year.
Euros team of the year.
Highly recommended by the elite coaches in the game.
Is there any other player on those lists you think are useless?? Point out one player in these lists you think is useless in football.
Point out any other 3rd placed balondor player you think was useless in football.

Only a bullshite manufacturer would think this player is useless.

You are pained. Do me a favour. Name me a period where Chelsea successfully played in an attacking set-up with Jogginghoe. Facts are stubborn. I will wait.

Trevor012:
You are basically admitting Tuchel Chelsea is not an attacking team ?

Always said it isn't.

Tuchel will not chance an attacking team with these error players and escort in midfield that will follow players like cameraman when an attack breaks down. That's not to talk of Alonso who will still be jogging back. One of the reason Tuchel won't try it is below.

popizaino:
Man City have now scored 520 PL goals in 212 games under Pep Guardiola.

It took Alex Ferguson 274 matches to reach the same total.

Levels.'

Actually not that impressive since SAF took over a midtable team

Trevor012:
So basically you agree Chelsea is not an attacking team?


What period is modern epl? You mean Pep Era or what? What coach do you think will play possession based football with Chelsea currently and win the league in the modern epl?

Which period are we trying to win league in currently?

Neither did I say I want possession football. I said I want attacking football. That's means playing in the forward zones with the team able to move the block forward and commit more men to attack. You can have possession football in your own half like Jogginghoe without necessarily being attacking.

Trevor012:
Did Jorginho excel in that attacking Napoli set up or not?

Yeah he excelled in making 100 passes and escorting and ultimately failing to win the league in 3 seasons despite having the best attack and best centre-back, while his compadre at Juventus, Miralem Pjanic was voted in Serie A team of the season 4 times.

Brought that nonsense to Chelsea and even Sarri had to park bus after one too many midfield disgraces

BikeMan:
Why are you like this now? Matip that has never crossed 29 PL games for Liverpool is consistent? Please give us Mario's best season and we will compare Rudiger with him in that same season.

So Fabinho is suddenly better than Jorginho and Kovacic. Haba!

Forget it, an attacking setup with a solid partner will cover Jorginho's flaws. He will not have to worry about being an actual DM. However, I want him out of Chelsea ASAP as I don't personally rate him too.

Matip shïts on Rudiger 3 out of 4 seasons. Rudiger has never played a good season in a back4, I hope you know, something that's been bread and butter for Matip.

What stats do you want to use to judge them as CBs?

There's no comparison with Fabinho and Jogginghoe since the day they both came to EPL. There's nothing suddenly about it. I hope you didn't knock your head. You just confessed you want Jogginghoe replaced, if a Liverpool fan even dream such thought, he will wake up and slap himself. Someone who manned DM with few mistakes unlike Jogginghoe who we count his detrimental effect weekly if bus isn't parked around him to cover him.

BikeMan:
However, I want him out of Chelsea ASAP as I don't personally rate him too.

Trevor012:
Chief ibime since you started supporting Chelsea, how many trophies have they won playing possession based attacking football? The problem is with your club not Jorginho

In modern EPL you have to. And we have done under Ancelotti in 2010