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benalvino3:
Stop making noise then. if you need to vote then get ID to allow you to vote. you said it yourself. you only got a Student ID and bus Pass... You no need to drive so you don't care about drivers license. case close. when you need to drive you will get the License and when others need to vote they will get an identification that will allow them to vote. No one is stopping them to vote because of the color of their skin or stopping them from acquiring an ID because of the color of their skin.

Which normal sane human being will go and get ID for the specific purpose of voting once every four years or once in their lifetime. Some people will only vote once in their life if they perceive a threat like an Idi Amin or Trump running, otherwise they see no difference between one Government and another as long as tax stays roughly the.same and human freedoms are maintained. It's only GQP cultist that carry matter for head that will go out of their way to get ID if it's just for voting purposes. Some of us won't even go to vote if the polling booth is more than 10 mins walk, or if football match is on. In our younger years, we don't even register to vote because electoral roll is what BBC Licence fee agents use to know who is living in the property when they come chasing you for unpaid licence fee

raumdeuter:
You dont need a drivers license if you cannot drive or do not drive, Some health conditions even bars you from a DL, but you still need a form of govt ID either State ID or Passport

Banks mostly accept govt issued ID. A bank can accept a foreign passport but you wont expect that for voting

Your post keeps contradicting you. This says almost every bank. That means there are those using other banks according to their need. There will be others using credit unions. There will be those using student accounts which is where most banks onboard their first customers, using student ID. There are students still using the accounts their parents set up for them. The current account I use till this day is the Woolwich account my mum opened for me as a teen, now taken over by Barclays for example.

In Texas, you can't use Texas State University ID card to vote, but you can use Texas State gun licence. Is that ojoro not clear enough.

Read the below and tell me if the percentages in UK
who don't have any Govt photo ID (4%) would be roughly the same as USA, then translate that into how many millions of people that affects.

raumdeuter:
Everywhere I have leased in America, I was asked for an ID when I was a student I used my international passport

I have rented and rented to people and everytime an ID is required
this is a link on it below
https://www.texasrealestate.com/members/posts/can-a-landlord-require-a-photo-id-with-rental-applications/

This question says Can. Yes a Landlord can. A Landlord can request your payslip, bank accounts or even mental health history if they want. But it is not a law that they have to, that's just for the Landlords peace of mind. People are renting all over America without these IDs below.

raumdeuter:
I dont know about UK, but in America, this successful entrepreneur wont be able to open a Bank account, wont be able to but liquor or cigarette, wont be able to fly domestic and international, wont be able to rent or buy a house without any of these govt issued ID

He has passport na. I'm showing you that someone can easily not have drivers licence. And someone can also easily not have passport.

Tah, you don't need the same level of ID to open a bank account as some of the level of ID required to vote in some states

raumdeuter:
For drinking you are only validating the age. So if you look over 18yrs the barman can serve you but if it comes around that you are underage then he would be prosecuted

So which barman wants to risk his license just to do you a favour
If you read the below and you are a bartender, will you risk serving to anyone without ID? There are stores


Most gas station will have it bold at their door "If you look under 40 you must show ID" then how do you prove you dont look under 40?

I am the bartender and I see you and say you are 17yrs to me what do you say?

The bolded is all you need to say. In practice, it will hardly be applied.

UK law is if you look under 25, and I've been buying drinks since 15 with no questions.

And if it comes to question, I'm sure it won't go past my school ID or travelcard or bus pass.

basilico:
So your case is unique. Never needed docs to prove adulthood. Life was good for you but you feel your vote shoulda coulda woulda made difference.
Your case dont smack racism where iD is needed to vote?

My case is not unique. 95% of my classmates would not have those IDs unless they were dual nationals. I only knew one friend with drivers licence in my class. It was only after college that another of my friend went and got passport, and we joined him on road trip in Europe. We still couldn't drive so he did all the driving. Unlike myself, most still lived at home. Many are respected professionals today, they were smart then and they are smart now. Nothing stops them from voting except you want to tell me they are ineligible because they lived with their parents and had not gotten certain ID as at then.

raumdeuter:
You need a valid for of ID to buy alcohol, Most laces defer to DL or State ID

I have used International passports before also

Some places can use their discretion if you obviously look over 18

https://www.tabc.texas.gov/public-safety/age-verification/#:~:text=Texas%20state%20law%20does%20not,valid%E2%80%9D%20IDs%20for%20alcohol%20purchases.&text=May%20be%20a%20driver's%20license,state%20or%20the%20federal%20government.

I guarantee you guys are drinking all over America without those documents. There are other forms of ID. That discretion is more like free service unless you look under 18. I have never had to show ID to buy booze

raumdeuter:
Everywhere I have leased in America, I was asked for an ID when I was a student I used my international passport

I have rented and rented to people and everytime an ID is required
this is a link on it below
https://www.texasrealestate.com/members/posts/can-a-landlord-require-a-photo-id-with-rental-applications/

There are many forms of photo ID. I probably used my passport for mine, but there is no stipulation that it has to be, unless you want to tell me that everyone over 18 without passport or driving licence is homeless

raumdeuter:
Unless an adult cosign your lease, If you want to lease an apartment like every 18yr old can do, then you need a picture ID. . I didnt have an international passport until I was 22yrs but I had a drivers license even though I didnt own a car

I grew up in Nigeria which was different from US. No one needs ID to buy alcohol in Nigeria like its mandatory in the US. I have been buying alcohol for many years and no one asked for ID in Nigeria.
Do we have State IDs in Nigeria like they have in America for every teenager who is willing to get one?

There are certain responsibilities that come to you as an adult, And theere are requirements for you to get those adult benefits.

Voting is the right of every citizen, but for you to exercise your right you need to prove your identity with a govt issued ID so we can be certain you are who you claimed to be

Its not that difficult unless you have ulterior motives

You don't need a passport or drivers licence to lease a flat

You don't need a passport to fly within your own country

You don't need a driver's licence to buy alcohol

I doubt you had a driver's licence at 18, if you did, it's purely curcumstantial

I did not drive when I lived in London. I would not even have gotten drivers licence if not for one or two things. I was already in my mid-20s before I got one. I have a friend, a very successful entrepreneur who does not have one till today. I have gone years without car in London, using train and my bicycle to go to work everyday till I left London just 8 years ago. That means if I'm someone who doesn't travel abroad (like most Americans), I don't see why I would need these IDs, and I won't start going through the process of getting them just because election is coming up.

None of these IDs are necessary to be a responsible adult, and none are necessary for voting. You get them as you grow older as one or two circumstances change in your life. If you live in New York and are the typical American who only vacations in America, chances are you don't need these documents. They are purely a sieve to filter out youth, and Inner City youth moreso.

raumdeuter:
By age 18 you are an adult citizen and you are treated as an adult by law. So its your duty to get a license to enable you do the things adults do.

If you cannot be arsed to get the appropriate identification like other adults then you might as well not worry about voting and other adult things. How do I know the individual in front of me is ibime and not benalvino? Or I just have to believe your words?

You are jumping from pillar to post. First you said they couldn't drink, fly or get a job without these IDs which is false. None of these IDs are a test of being a responsible adult, they are a sieve to filter out youth (and other demographics)

As an 18 year old, I was an adult and had been living by myself independently since 16, working part time, paying rent, bills and tax. The only two documents that concerned me then were my bus pass and student ID

I had no need to drive and no need to travel abroad. The passport I had was purely curcumstancial. I didn't need it to be an adult. I had stellar grades and was politically aware, 100 times more than the 16 year old who left school to work in the lumber yard and procured a driver's licence for that purpose, and more aware than a 48 year old blue collar worker who would have grabbed these IDs as life progressed. This is the same for many 18 year olds.

Swear that as an 18 year old Ile Ife student or prospective student, one of the top 5% smartest people in Nigeria, that you had one of these.

It's best you call it what it is - voter suppression.

raumdeuter:
In America by the age of 16 you can apply for a drivers license. Minors can apply for State ID or passport

Federal Elections are not interhousesports. They determine the future of a country and are serious things

Will this 18yr old apply for a job, withdraw money from a bank, buy alcohol, travel by air without the ID? So why should they vote without the ID

An 18 year old will do all the above without the ID listed below. The ID listed below is beyond the imagination of the average 18 year old unless an adult with means facilitates it.

benalvino3:
it is a fact that folks here and the democratic establishment have called voter ID racist. their claim is that blacks can't or don't have them. Raumdeuter and basilico are talking about the delusional stance some people have. you came here arguing against them.
you are arguing for Voter ID is racist.

At age 15, I have a national identity card. even my nieces and nephews at 4 have passports and NIN. A drivers license is not an essential form of identification because not everyone can have it.

children less than a year old are getting passports. if you are 18 and you don't have a passport or photo identification or citizens card. sorry for yourself.

You are talking rubbish. You went to Comprehensive secondary school, a State school. How many of your classmates could get hands on such. Your 4 year old niece has passport because she travelled, what percentage of 4 year olds do?

Voting is a right of citizenry, get that through your thick skull. The minute you put in laws that disenfranchise a good percentage of an eligible demographic from voting, you are denying them rights and playing foul.

I can put myself in others shoes. If not for the luck of happenstance, I would have no business with any of the below documents by age 18 or even 19, and neither would 80% of my classmates. I would have no reason to have a passport if I had a single Nationality as I did not travel as a teen except visiting family in Nigeria or UK as the case may be.

benalvino3:
Your stupid technic of arguing has started. how is it racist? Do white people get a Drivers's license at 18 and blacks don't? You don't seem to be a professional victim don't act like one.

The legal age to vote in the US is 18. Do you want to tell me they cannot get any photo identity card at 18? not even a passport?
anyone can get a photo identity card.

you are arguing voter ID is racist. what a shame.

You should stop being stupid. Where in my post did you see race? At the age of 18, did you have drivers licence in Comproboko secondary school?

This is about cutting down the eligible voters in demographics that don't favour you. Race is just one factor.

Majority of young people vote to the left. How do you cut their vote, if not by cutting out people without drivers licence or passport. Your mumu brain went to say why can't black young people get a licence like the white. The aim is to cut out all young people.

Same thing with the disabled.

Same thing with the poor. That's where the racism allegation comes in.

And also same with the casual easy going citizen who is unlikely to prepare all these things, unlike the cultist who takes voting as war.

This is the reason GQP don't win popular votes with young people, because people don't easily forget disenfranchisement and ojoro.

We meet Tunisia next

basilico:
You want us to start all over agai
Clinton invented Russian hoax . She has mever conceded
Stacey Abrams the whale has never conceded.

Stop being Mr Clever
Dont suffer MFP .

It's like the 5 hours GMT is affecting your mental state. What's with your inability to stay on-topic since you were sent on expatriate mission. You suggested America had 100% turnout, I asked you where, you said North Korea. I asked if you had valid ID as a young man, you start talking about Russian hoax

Stay on-topic please. Which of the following did you have at the age of 18 when you were eligible to vote?

basilico:
North Korea. Not 100% turnout but the dictator gets 100% of votes cast.
Stop being on the sly. Nowhere will you ever have 100% turnout.
You asking why those without voter ID should not vote smells like you are a believer like all democrats that Yes Every vote should count and everyone should vote.And a republican should not be declared the winner since not all demonrats cast their vote.

Voting as invented by some prehistoric society was meant to ensure the majority get their will.
But the minorities should also have their say too.

What was the voter turnout in USA last election. Who cares about your North Korea

When GQP can't win election, they cry fraud, so they can steal elections with pen and voter suppression. Which of the following did you have at the age of 18 when you were eligible to vote?

basilico:
Where on earth do voters turn out 100%.
Given some countries have mandatory voting but never enforce that law.

Apart from some dictatorial countries. One was asked. How did you manage 99% of the turnout? . His reply. Im interested in that 1% who never voted for me.( Fire and brimstone for that tiny 1% ).

Where did voters turn out 100%, or is that a fact you pulled from your ārse?

basilico:
Regurgitation of George Soros extremely far left sponsored outfits.
Next.

That's a Conservative MP, a Brexiteer infact complaining about the intention of the bill

What ID did you have at 18 in your village in Umudike. Were you not eligible to vote at that age?

Umudike clowns won't go and collect their PVC and encourage everyone in their region to collect PVC, they are encouraging Americans to restrict voting and disenfranchise good portions of society. Later they will complain about Buhari.

One Obixcel here never had any recognisable form of ID until he had to go get international passport to apply for VISA which was twice denied. Who will give Visa to a new passport with no travel record.

raumdeuter:
I am wondering what could be the reason why someone will object to proving their identity when voting when they do that for every other aspect of their lives.

Read this and stop typing nonsense. Did you have any recognisable ID at age of 18 except that to show which house you can compete for in interhouse sports?

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/elections-bill-2022-david-davis-undemocratic-voter-id/

Kilishihunter:
Hmmm, Senegal looking like our main obstacle to the final
Ivory coast vs Egypt will be mayhem

We will play Tunisia next unless they beat Gambia

If they beat Gambia, we'll play Gambia

raumdeuter:
Did you mix up the names cos Algeria Insha Jesus will be leaving Cameroun tonight

We are scheduled to play 3rd place from their group or Mali's group but CIV have done the Lord's work. If they beat CIV, they or CIV would have finished 3rd.

Mahrez is coming home. We are sure to avoid Algeria next round cos we are slated to face the 3rd place team in Groups E or F, and IvotCoast have done the Lord's work

andrewbaba44:
You are spot on apart from that josh onomah guy ,that guy is not good abeg

Take a look at Michael Olise at crystal palace

Olise rejected call-up last year, he said he's favouring Algeria because his agent convinced him that way. I think he will bide his time and see if France or England materialise sef. No need chasing him.

Onomah is our second best CM/CAM as things stand, and would be first substitute for Aribo. He was a winger for Spurs in his younger days but impressed me as a CM in a midfield 3 for Fulham in EPL before injury ended his season. He wouldn't make our top 8 wingers but would make squad as a CM easily

BlueMann:
Even with all these names to I've mentioned, I'm sure Awaziem will still be a key member of the SE for years to come. He's got age on his side (at least officially) and he's got the ability too to keep himself in the picture.

If not for injury, I'm 100% sure he'd have been the one to partner Troost-Ekong ahead of Omeruo.

As for Balogun, that one should be in the twilight of his SE career, age isn't on his side no more.

lol. You go surprise say Awaziem senior Balogun in reality

Awaziem European career is not going too well, that could put him under pressure

Ibunkun1:
Nice, I haven't been able to watch any SE game since AFCON started, but I'll try and see their next game sha. So which teams should we be wary of?

I've not seen any scary team so far. Algeria and Senegal who are the only teams I fear have been underwhelming.

Unlimited22:
Person wey blow half and full time whistle like who Dey conduct mass choir for crusade



If we can get Lookman, Akpoguma, Dennis and Ejaria before the world cup, that would be grand

We have players bros. First guy I will try to get is Josh Onomah. He will be an able deputy for Joe Aribo.

Lukman will be a welcome addition, but I think Dennis should take that RW spot from Chukwueze to add more firepower. Dennis always seems to pick the right option, and the option that doesn't involve too much complication or dabaru. Dennis, Osimhen, Kelechi and Simon will be a crazy front 4 with Lookman and Chukwueze coming on to disturb later.

Ejuke will still merit a spot before Ejaria because he has a different style of play when he plays that right wing. I feel Ejaria should wait for the next cycle. Nathan Tella of Southampton is also begging to join.

I think Leon Balogun spot is in danger. It's obvious that Troost-Ekong needs someone with pace to cover him. Semi Ajayi is actually my favourite and I like Omeruo but Omeruo dey quick gas due to old age. Ajayi is fairly comfortable on the ball having played in midfield, and one of the deadliest players to face on a set-piece. Nigga is like Ivanovich with scoring headers. Akpoguma profile looks good but I haven't really watched him. We have so many CBs, Awaziem and Balogun should not be too sure although they deserve a plane seat due to their service and the camaraderie that Awaziem brings to the squad as a practical joker. After next World Cup, guys like Adarabaiyo are still there. He and Ajayi would make a strong partnership going forward. We also have one Isaac Bassey who plays left-back for Rangers who will put Jamilu Collins under pressure for his spot. As much as Rohr is derided, one great thing he did for Naija was bring professionalism and fairness that attracted many foreign-born players, let's also benefit from them like those Francophone, Algeria and Morocco are doing.

Ibunkun1:
That GIF dey funny sha

I was just checking for scores online. I couldn't watch the game. I hope these wins won't get into the head of our boys. Make them bring the trophy home o

We are looking good. Ndidi, Aribo, Simon, Kekechi, Aina and Sanusi looking like our spine. If they stay fit, we can go far

Ibunkun1:
How old be this Baba. Make he no go drop dead for field

That ref was pure comedy

BlueMann:
Olisah Ndah looking good

He looked composed. Doesn't look like a full back though. He plays like a CB or DM

larride:
I think he’s trying out Ndidi and other midfielders pairing which he shouldn’t be doing.

Everybody looks good with Ndidi, no need checking, before Ndidi go injure

This African VAR takes forever sha

Iamoyindamola shebi na you been dey ask why Naija keeps picking Moses Simon. That guy is our own Sadio Mane jare