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andrew444:
Mind you I am not comparing us to Portugal and co.

I am not against us calling player from Germany division 2 or championship trust me because we can't use what we don't have

Sorry to say Chinese league team will beat those division 2 team or even Japan league also and the Korean leagues.

I will never agree division 2 team will beat those China league never.

South Korea beat mighty Germany at the World Cup with about 6 Korea based players in the starting line up

European team is the best but they have been beaten in the club World Cup final 3 times

São Paulo beat Liverpool 2005
International beat Barca 2006
Corinthians beat Chelsea 2012

So because it's Europe and Portugal division 2 Germany and co and you think they will beat those Chinese team ?

What Happen to Barca and co when these South American team stunned them?

Bros make we leave matter jare

You are always first to say someone is changing topic. What has Sau Paulo beating Liverpool, International beating Barca got to do with Comparing the Chinese League with Portuguese league 2 or Bundesliga 2?

"Chinese league team will beat teams from Japan and Korea" how come they are not dominating the Asian Club competitions?

See my point is clear. If you will accept the invitation of players from the Chinese league why will you condemn the invitation of players from Bundesliga 2 and Portuguese league 2? Simple.

andrew444:
Once person give una good point una go change the topic,you simply don't know what to say.

Why Portugal no carry those division 2 players go World Cup ? They rather call 34 year old man Jose fonte

I guess Anderson talisca is a retirement player ?

Carrasco is also a retirement player ?

Paulinho went to china at age 27 Barca paid 40 million to get him from the retirement league

Axel Witsel played all minute for Belgium in the World Cup,Dortmund just got him back to Europe for 20m

Which player go World Cup from Portugal division 2 Germany division 2 and co,you have no answer to that then you will change the topic

The truth is bitter

Who is changing topic? Are we not still comparing Portuguese league 2, Bundesliga 2 with the Chinese League? So if someone does not agree with you he is changing topic. Or you don't know what changing of topic means? Abi, which good point you give sef?

Why would Portugal go to the World Cup with Portuguese league 2 players? Or Germany with Bundesliga 2 players. Are we and Portugal or Germany on the same level? I repeat we are not on that same level with the top teams in the world. The earlier we face this reality the better.

If you don't have players in top leagues will u go and force the players out from no where? Or you will just name only those players in the top Leagues and leave the remaining spaces in the team vacant.

Having players from the lower leagues is not the ideal but if that is what you've got what will you do?

andrew444:
The last time i checked chinese league has more players in the world cup than those portugal and german division 2

You think brazil will call a player from those division 2 and leave a chinese based players?

How many portugal and germany and co division 2 players played for their respective national teams?

League for players approaching retirement. Why haven't Chinese clubs been dominating Asia?

Those players made the WC because they have already made names for themselves before going to China just like Mikel and Ighalo.

Let those Chinese club face teams from the Bundesliga 2 or Spain or Portuguese league 2 and them go see fire.

comodo:
Blood of Habakkuk. 4MTM in 3 games. Guy fear God small na. Kayode wey injury Neva even gree make him waka well not to talk of kicking a ball don win 4MTM . Must we tell lies just to discredit other pipu

Blood of Habakkuk ke?

Kog45:
Chief pls don't bring Mikel and Ighalo to the discourse.

Are you now saying Mikel and Jamilu are at par.

So cos we are not Brazil,France or Spain then our team should be a place for mediocre.

Haha, I am by no means bringing them down. I am instead trying to raise those players we are writing off as Division 2 players.

Egbon see, if we don't have enough players in the top leagues do we go and start forcing players of other nationalities in top leagues to play for us? Again we are not Brazil, Spain or France. We invite all our players from top leagues and fill up the remaining spaces with highly talented young players from lower leagues. Shekina

tbaba1234:
I do not disagree with the sentiment but when we do not have players playing in the top leagues then a good lower league is not a bad idea.

Bundesliga 2 is better than Switzerland, Norway, Sweden etc. top leagues in my opinion.

Exactly. Not like we are Brazil, France , Spain or Germany. Is the Portuguese or German second division not more competitive than the Chinese league where Mikel and Ighalo are?

Kog45:
I don't tire self cos options available apart from Ighalo and Iheanacho are not convincing enough so make we dey manage what we have until someone spring up

We will definitely manage what we have.

But someone trying to defend Ighalo's barrenness in front of goal and comparing him with Giroud is a no-no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHGvjlRi6_k

I saw this from the archives and decided to share.
1986 WCQ. Played on 20/04/1985.

Abeg who scored that second goal?

Looks like Yekini

chicoMX:
Op, Try use shook next time.

Na so o. I even initially thought it was the girl in question that made that blunder and the man was asking her to pull the comment down.

Kog45:
Walahi this top CF na serious issue o.

Egbon but how you take reason the matter?

andrew444:
But at first nobody didn't say African players nah,they said name players

Black man mentality,person get question wey they ask now una dey change talk say na African players

Wait, but Andrew, arguments aside, jokes aside, do you really have hopes that Ighalo will still improve to solve our goals scoring problems?

safarigirl:
leave him to be calling names of people that are not Ighalo's mate in anything.

The guy is comparing Red Wine to Zobo and he calls us confused. Dude is a joke, he can join the other two acts in the comedy club

If Ighalo was even a defender I will still have hope on him. But a Centre Forward? At 29+?

O pari in Icon79's voice.

Kog45:
O'pari in icons79 voice.

OK you want me to say "O pari".
OK O pari.

Kog45:
Yes Chief i saw your explanation and countered it with Echiejile of 2010-2014 would have played as LWB.

Chief even as LB Ebuehi would have started ahead of Echiejile.

Ah Egbon......wetin you want me to say again naa...

andrew444:
Lol you don change am to European players,you see your self ,for your mind Na only Jamie vardy you think say I know now I don proove you wrong you don change am to which African player.

Next ?

See, if it is to name European players that improved after 29years of age, I can even add more to that your list and it will exceed 20names.

But you and I know that any African player of age 29(except goalies) has seen his better days. Let us be factual and practical about this.

andrew444:
Yes 28 is the same as 29 when Leicester won the league he is just less than 6 months far from being 29

I will give you more players who start improving at 29,I am just mentioning Jamie vardy because you have heard of him.

Sandro Wagner of Bayern Munich start improving at 29 ,you might not know him maybe you only watch super eagles games then maybe Epl

Iago aspas of celta vigo starts improving at 29

Anthony modeste start improving at 29,he only left cologne for big pay day at China

Luca Toni,starts improving at 29 during his stint at fiorentina before he earned a move to Bayern

Luis Fabiano start improving at 29 during his Sevilla time.

I know you don't know any of this mentioned players,but Tbaba is there to help you out

Oga, all this one na tori. Name one African player.

Kog45:
But you said his experience was needed at WC but Iceland match showed that he wasn't needed after Ebuehi came in for Idowu.

Egbon but I have explained why Ebuehi was the preferred replacement naa

safarigirl:
Question: How many players start improving at 29?

You: Jamie Vardy started improving at 28

1. How many players is Jamie Vardy? ONE.

2. What age did Jamie's rise come? 28. Is that the same as 29? No

I put it to you that your response takes nothing away from Tbaba's original assertion

Ngwa nu Andrew444, the matter don enter court case.

Kog45:
Chief,Echiejile of 2010-2014 would have played as LWB instead of Ebuehi against Iceland.

Ehen? that was Echiejile of 2010-2014. This is Echiejile of 2018 we are talking about.

tbaba1234:
How many strikers start improving at 29 years??

Would you stick to a worker who has produced poor results for you for 3 years and is at the twilight of his career?

Ighalo has not proven to be the 'best number 9'. The figures do not back up that assertion.

Forget, he is saying all those because Ighalo rose from the Championships to the EPL. So it is still that English thing.

Had Ighalo played in the Bundesliga now he would have called him a waste pipe.

fabyom:
Nwakali time came, he took it, please allow him to savour his moment. Ebere's time too will come, soonest bro.

I just tire.

Everybody with his own player in mind.

charlesemeka85:
you are not satisfied with the league jamilu plays in until you saw his clips in youtube but you are satisfied with the call up of a porto b bench warmer who is yet to do anything tangible since moving to europe just because he had a decent game in the friendly against ATM? well if the ATM friendly is the only yardstick then u23 midfielder who dribbled all atm"s defense to score would have gotten a call up as well

See, quote me any where. There is nothing wrong with Kelechi Nwakali's invitation.

And on the U23 midfielder you just described, his name is Usman Mohammed. He is not an unknown player to most of us here. He played under John Obuh at U20, he played for the Oliseh's CHAN team, he played under Siasia's Rio Olympics team. He is well known to the technical crew. And if they deem it fit not calling him after that Athletico dribble, I respect that. Usman Mohammed that I know is not a player with exceptional abilities.

safarigirl:
toh.

Since na egunje dem dey use, let your English boys ask Leon Balogun and Ekong how much they paid to be regulars on the team.

Thank you jare.

komekn:
You really have no idea how things operate in Nigeria particularly with the NFF.

It's that simple but we do not make it that simple. You are dealing with the NFF and all its inherent politics based on the best deal for self interest not the best player.

Oga, you are over exaggerating all these things you keep mentioning here.

A gold fish has no hiding place. Any player that shows outstanding abilities would be called to the national team irrespective of whether someone's interest is at stake or not.

I don't know why we keep lamenting about K. Nwakali's invitation. The exceptional abilities he showed against Athletico is enough for any coach to have another look at him.

See, players selection is not cast in stone. It is left for Rohr and his his crew to decide which players they intend inviting irrespective of which league they play. And of course we have to go for players we have in the best leagues but we should not also ignore players with exceptional abilities in the lower leagues. Look at also Jamilu Collins, I wasn't satisfied with the league he plays in but after seeing his YouTube performances I felt he is someone Rohr and his crew can take a closer look at.

Not all players will be invited at the same time.

Komekn, if the NFF asks you to draw a list for them be sure the criticism your list will receive will be more than that of Rohr.

I keep wondering why each time a list is released a particular set of people here will always keep crying wolf when there is none.

Kog45:
But did you know that Rohr discarded Echiejile experience against Iceland and fielded Ebuehi in the 2nd half after Idowu yellow card to avoid 10 against 11.

Chief enough of picking players on loyalty especially off form ones.

The formation Rohr was playing at that moment did not favor playing Echiejile as a LWB. He could have been a better option if he was to replace someone at the LCB position.

safarigirl:


Oshe conspiracy theorist. So, Jamilu and Semi are now camouflage abi? Rohr did not reason other people to use as camouflage, it is two relatively unknown players.

Lol, where did Vic Mo run to? Chelsea's bench or his couch at home? I'm sure Sarri is also a corrupt coach for not playing Moses regularly

You and Komekn should start a comedy club and become the main acts. Una go sell die

Chei na wa o. Laugh wan kii me here. Loz...

safarigirl:
Sunday Oliseh is sitting comfortably on this table

I tell you.

Even that J-J Okocha I just dey look am with those things he was saying during the WC. Coaching easy like that make him go take up coaching job.

ChrisKels:
A good coach with vision would have figured out where Musa fits in earlier than Rohr did. Drop either of the ineffective two strikers for Musa, then bring in Onyekuru to fill the space created by Musa's departure from the Wings. What was the reason for taking two dead woods in Joel and Onazi to the world cup when u already have Etebo and Mikel? Who was chosen as a repp to injured Simon? A good coach would have repped injured Simon with a Kalu instead of packing those deadwoods in the name of midfielders.

Finito

Oga, going to a major tournament with only 1 CF is a no-no especially as 4-5-1 was the base formation for the team in the camping period leading to the WC. What if the only CF gets injured in camp or on match day or even gets suspended? Going with two natural CFs, in Ighalo and Simmy was the ideal.

Onyekuru was not up against Onazi and Joel that you called dead woods. I have listed the wingers that Onyekuru was up against. There was no way Rohr would have dropped Simon, Iwobi, Moses or Musa for Onyekuru. Iwobi brings more than wings play as he also plays centrally behind a CF. He can also play from the Centre of the midfield. Musa also brings more than Wings play as he sometimes plays as an SS and also played as CF in one of our friendlies. And Moses you know was our major attacking weapon going into the World Cup. Simon was dropped due to injury but you and I know about his immense contributions to the team in the build up to the World Cup (WCQ).

Rohr was fast enough to cap Onyekuru and secured him for the feature also to give him a sense of belonging. With Moses retiring and Simon still out due to injury this is the time to start integrating Kalu and Onyekuru and any other young winger that Rohr and his crew so chooses. That is why I asked you if u if u really understand what transition means. You don't throw in too many new players at a time especially for a major tournament as the World Cup.

Look also at the case of Aina vs Echiejile. You and I know when weighed on the scale of performance individually Echiejile may not have been better than Aina. But the issue is you need a right mix of youth and experience in the team. There are certain games and situations that may arise during a tourney that you will now have to fall back on the experience of some of your key players.

Most of us here are not professional coaches. Most of those "Super analysts" you see talking on TV, when most are given coaching positions they fail. Sometimes we need to reason along with these coaches to really understand why they take certain decisions. You do not cherish their jobs more than they do. You do not need the results more than they do.

safarigirl:
why Jamilu? Have you seen him play or is this for lack of other options?

Thank you my sister. This takes us back to that article of Colin Udoh that emphasized on how most Nigerian fans behave like children who quickly throw away an old toy when they see a new one.

Some people will not cease to amaze. Jamilu, a player he just watched on YouTube will now displace Idowu from the starting line up.

Thank God you understand why I always insist on players being tested and trusted.

ChrisKels:
Transition ndi obodo ebe? Enyia my boys were ready before the world. They ought to have been there in Russia ahead if some yeye guys Rohr paraded. I doubt we would have exited that early if we had, at most, Onyekuru. What was Simmy's mission in Russia? Ighalo too

So which 2 of the wingers we for drop for Kalu and Onyekuru? Musa, Iwobi or Vic Moses. And why bring Simmy and Ighalo into this? Are they wingers?

TheSuperNerd:
Iwobi, Ola Aina, Iheanacho Et Al Ordered To Report To Camp Sept 3, Super Eagles Fly To Jeddah Sept 8

Allnigeriasoccer.com understands that the Nigerian Federation have ordered the twenty-four players invited for the upcoming 2019 Africa Cup of Nations qualifier against Seychelles to report to camp in Victoria on Monday, September 3.

It remains to be seen if that deadline can be met by all the players as a number of the invitees are expected to feature for their respective teams this coming Sunday.

Arsenal's Alex Iwobi is expected to be named in the traveling party to Cardiff, where the Gunners face the Welsh side in game week four in the Premier League on September 2, while Odion Ighalo's Changchun Yatai face Henan Jianye same day.

Chelsea loanee Ola Aina, Chievo's Joel Obi, Crotone's Simy and Udinese's Troost-Ekong also have commitments with their Italian clubs on Sunday, and the same applies to Samuel Kalu (Bordeaux), John Ogu (Hapoel Beer Sheva) and Chidozie Awaziem (Porto).

The Super Eagles players are expected to depart directly from Seychelles to Saudi Arabia on Saturday, September 8 for the proposed international friendly against Saudi Arabia which is scheduled to hold in Jeddah.

The players will fly back to their respective clubs from Saudi Arabia on Wednesday, September 12.



**Ifeanyi Emmanuel


Source: ANS

OK, so the camping is straight in Victoria, Seychelles. Makes sense.

ChrisKels:
So una eyes dun dey open? When I was hammering on having these guys lead our line, u guys were busy berating them, saying Simon Moses, Musa and Vicmo were better. Breeze dun blow

Do you understand what transition means?