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unphilaz:
Dig this


and to which kingebuka responded

https://www.nairaland.com/2786110/atheist-how-want-heb-11#40858936

and you mentioned this
which signify a CONSCIOUSNESS against other atheist!
https://www.nairaland.com/2786110/atheist-how-want-heb-11/1#40859825

so how can this thread be nonsense except you are accepting that your views of an "unlimited energy field" is NONSENSE?

unphilaz:
Good acknowledgement of their existence tho you dont worship any! so we have a witness that we have an atheist that believes in Intelligent Consciousness. Hope to hear of other atheist who on the other divide i.e inanimate existence.

kallmemrB:
one thing is certain
..you have no respect for ur parents cos am sure Daddy Kumuyi is older than them.....religion has nothing to do with Morals or Common sense which u clearly have none

vooks:
I need witches and wizards here you m0ron not New Age trash

AllNaijaBlogger:
Which books?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Put down the mushin weed.

Annunaki:
You made a lot of good points but evolution is thrash and islam is a satanic religion.

vooks:
Another silly excuse for your inabilities

What controls your excitement, Brent Crude prices?

PastorAIO:
The man that is wearing green tinted glasses will see green everywhere.

Dude, if you are smelling crap everywhere you go please consider the possibility that you need to wash your clothes and take a bath.

vooks:
When are you going to WILL 7 brand new Q6 hybrid machines into existence and discard your used and rusty A4?

vooks:
Well, you can will more money first so you won't feel the pinch Negro.

See your bullshiet?

How about you focus on marrying Mitchelle Obama, or Oprah?

Go for it m0ron,go!!!!!

vooks:
OK?
You can't get a Q6 even if you stole all humanity's focus and dedication and self-belief and applied it on a Q6
To save face, you claim you don't NEED it.

Nobody cares for your imaginary love life Negro, it's just that you accidentally slipped and revealed yourself as an overgrown crybaby who never got over being dumped

Ever heard of the word GLIBIDO? That describes your type; all empty talk. Enjoy Eva Mendez twin

vooks:
Clearly, that's why you was butt hurt after been dumped by the imaginary biracial who now wants to get back

vooks:
M0ron,
Why did you stop at a tiny ride, go for a Q6, get 4 of different colors and then crash one just because you can. And then pee on it. And while at it,manifest the biracial gal back

vooks:
Ifenes, sonofLucifer,
I super badly want my iPhone 6 Plus change into iPhone 6s Plus. If I change my mind hard enough, I can have 3D Touch on it aight?

vooks:
Do you know how m0ronic you sound spewing New age bullshiet?
Here's some more rhetoric for you
http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/

Next time you go chasing imaginary biracial girls who are light years ahead of your ugliness, rest assured it is all hallucination

Idiot, why did you fail despite going after her?

chinae:
There are a few answers to this question
but basically it comes down to this one by
Glenn Baylock: Red symbolizes the blood
that Jesus spilt to redeem us from our sins.
Green is the color of life. Therefore, green
symbolizes the potential for eternal life that
Jesus' sacrifice made possible for all of us.
The evergreen tree is green all year round.
So, it also symbolizes eternal life.
The flame of a candle, the lights on the tree
and the star on top are all meant to remind
us of the new star that appeared to
proclaim the birth of the promised Messiah.
The bell is a reminder of the bells worn by
sheep. They provide a means for the
shepherd to find the sheep that has
wandered from the flock and become lost.
They symbolize our pleas to the Good
Shepherd for guidance back to His flock.
The candy cane is shaped like a shepherd's
staff. It symbolizes the responsibility that
we all have to be shepherds, to help each
other and guide each other back to God.
Finally, the bows on the top of the presents
are symbolic of brotherhood. It should be a
reminder that, just as the ribbons are tied
together, we should all be tied together by
the knowledge that we are all God's
children and, therefore, brothers and
sisters.

winner01:
Introduction

How did God get here?
Richard Dawkins, among other atheists, thinks he has the ultimate proof that God doesn't exist. If God created a complex universe, wouldn't it take an even more complex entity to have created God? However, such logic assumes that time has always existed, rather than being merely a construct of this universe.

Who created God? It is an age-old question that has plagued all those who like to think about the big questions. Having grown up as an agnostic non-Christian, it provided me with a potential reason why there might not be any god. Various religions tend to solve the problem in different ways. The LDS church (Mormonism) says that the God (Elohim) to whom we are accountable had a father god, then grew up on a planet as a man, and progressed to become a god himself. Many other religions have claimed that gods beget other gods. Of course the problem with this idea is how did the first god get here? This problem of infinite regression invalidates such religions. Christianity claims that God has always existed. Is this idea even possible? Does science address such issues?

Christianity's answer
Christianity answers the question of who made God in the very first verse of the very first book, Genesis:

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth (Genesis 1:1)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

"No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7)

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9)
The hope of eternal life, which God... promised before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2)
To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:25)"

The idea that God created time, along with the physical universe, is not just some wacky modern Christian interpretation of the Bible. Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

"And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: 'Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.' Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"

God exists in timeless eternity

How does God acting before time began get around the problem of God's creation? There are two possible interpretations of these verses. One is that God exists outside of time. Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed. Therefore, God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

God exists in multiple dimensions of time
The second interpretation is that God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimensions of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point. Either interpretation leads one to the conclusion that God has no need of having been created.

Why can't the universe be eternal?
The idea that God can be eternal leads us to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn't need to exist at all. Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused. Maybe Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical "science" that attempts to explain away the existence of God. Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger "multiverse" that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters. Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute "god" for atheists. And, since this "god" is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.


What does science say about time?
When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, if you examine university websites, you will find that many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time (see The Universe is Not Eternal, But Had A Beginning). Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.



Conclusion
God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created. Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite ~13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific).


Article by RICH DEEM

vooks:
Too much ambition breaks a man. I respect that

Aim lower

vooks:
I estimate that it would take you another 1B years before your generation can approach my IQ. This is assuming you won't be naturally selected outta genetic pool

vooks:
I know all about it. The day I will learn anything from you I will commit sepukku as I will have disgraced all Homo sapiens
Here is a book for you; Caesar's Messiah

vooks:
Christmas is pagan and of zero value to Christianity. I hope you are not attempting to sneak a fight.