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Posimii:
After what I saw during the nomination yesterday,it's obvious Dorathy will be paying greatly for her unnecessary hatred for Laycon that blindfolded her from realising that Vee was actually the best option for her to be safed. I guess She ll be leaving with tricky. Ozo was wiser just that Neo use warri strong voice over power am and madam Dora was so blindfolded with hatred

So it's not hate when Laycon nominates Dora and Ozo, but it's hate when Dora nominate Laycon?

Not every Igbo clan practice Osu/Ohu system, why then the hasty generalization?
What's the aim of this thread?

For example, the Ngwas and the Aros don't practice Osu system. Likewise the Asa and Ndokis. That's like 4/5 of Abia state where this Osu thing is not in practice. Osu is not practiced in almost all parts of Ebonyi state.


The Osu thing is also very poorly understood by modern Igbos let alone outsiders .

Lastly, a lot of work is being done to eliminate the Osu/Ohu thing in parts of Igboland where they are being practiced by Ndiigbo, especially Imo state and Nsukka area of Enugu state and we don't need Nigerians help. We would appreciate it if Nigerians would focus more on their own societal ills and leave Ndiigbo alone to sort out ours in peace.

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/05/osu-caste-system-dead-myth-reality/

I am Xhaka number one critic, but boy! Hasn't he improved?
Xhaka is looking like the player we all wanted to see when Wenger chose him over Kante.
No-one hates Xhaka, we just want our Arsenal back and that means that underperforming players would rightly be bashed, while at same time, once they improve their game and it reflects on the team result, they would also be praised. That's the way the sports is.

Having said this. We need as much squad depth as well can get. Xhaka will not always be fit. EPL is a marathon, throw in Europa and FA cup and League cup and you get the feeling we need quality squad depth.
Competition also bring the best out of players.

So, we should not be sidetracked from still upgrading our midfield options this transfer window.
Getting Partey in will be good and will keep the midfield competition strong and ticking nicely with players upgrading their match performance to lay a stake in the starting line up, week in, week out.

I want to disagree with him entirely; what they are doing is applying wisdom, applying tactics and the sense of oneness by not attacking anybody. So, that international airport makes nonsense of whatever Mbazulike Amaechi is saying and I expect him in future, to be careful about the kind of statements he makes because as an elder statesman, his statement should bring peace, should exude wisdom and not attacking people.

Jim is not serious. Which airport?

Arrewa:
keep deceiving yourself and those who haven't been there.

I meet many people there who don't understand English... Asusu igbo ka Anyi ji akapari...

Stop trying to defend when you already know the truth.

You are a cheap liar.

No one in Nnobi busy and bubbling semi urban centre will not be able to speak pidgin with you.

Stalwert:
You see where your problem starts, if you call Nigeria zoo or other vile name by rapist cownu, in your head it is not because you hate the tribes of Nigeria it is because you are objective, when Alex Kadiri says his thoughts of Igbo presidency in your head once again it is not because he is objective it is because he hates Igbos. Such is the shallow reasoning that has not gotten you anywhere.

If you call Hausas, Fulani slaves, Fulanis cows, Northerners as dumb, call Yoruba as Hausa- Fulani slaves without any Igbo of note cautioning such foolishness, tell me how you would expect these people to support your aspiration? Politics is about building coalition, in APC case they were able to build a winning coalition. Throughout they never denigrated any tribe or religion. In the case of Igbo they remained silent while some riff Raff's appropriated the authority to speak for them and continually condemned APC as a Muslim Brotherhood party and a Northern Agenda to give land to Fulani people. You see why it will be hard to move forward if you do not genuinely build support across all creeds?

Stop talking nonsense.
As far back as 1960s, Ahmadu Bello was already making videos where he demonized Ndiigbo.
The entire Northern assembly had a plenary session where the agenda was to demonize and legalize hostility towards Ndiigbo.

Akintola had already made his "Yoruba Ronu" speech where Ndiigbo were again demonized as early as the 1960s.
In all these, you can not for once find a tape where Ndiigbo made speeches demonizing others, instead we focused on how to elevate our selves. Perhaps this was the mistake of our forebearers.

Nnamdi Kanu have not said to other Nigerians what they have not said about Ndiigbo 50yrs before.
And even Nnamdi Kanu doesn't spare Ndiigbo in his criticism or use of harsh words.

Nigeria is a failed cursed state. Igbo presidency will do nothing for Ndiigbo other than earn bragging rights, seeing as it has not lifted Yorubaland or Arewa from trenches of Third World status.
Don't kill yourself over Igbo presidency. The orientation of Igbo nationalists like myself is that Igbo presidency if it comes is well welcomed since it would piss so many Igbophobes off, and if it doesn't come, would also be a win, since it would prove Igbo One Nigerianists stupid and swell the ranks of Igbos who want no part in Nigeria.

The Igbo will always choose Biafra over Nigeria, and should Igbo presidency of Nigeria not emerge, the more Biafra as a viable alternative becomes marketable among Igbo elites spread around the globe.

No shaking, it's either we win, or we win.

Arrewa:
based on the people you meet.

When I visited Anambra for a burial when a very good friend of mine lost his dad...in a town called Nnobi.

We meet many Igbos that couldn't communicate in English. I went there together with my friends the person I went
Luckily I can speak igbo very well. Imagine if I don't know how to speak igbo.

And you Igbos want everybody to believe that you're all educated.

Liar.
Nnobi is a semi Urban area.
It's nearly impossible to find anyone in busy Nnobi who doesn't at least speak and understand pidgin.
It has to be the very old women and men in the villages who would most likely have younger ones tending them who themselves can easily communicate in English or pidgin.

Stop with the stupid lies to win an argument.

Lol! "my wife is Igbo" the man said.
Who asked him?
Some Nazis also had Jewish wives/gfs. Gowon had an Igbo gf during the war.
What does his wife being Igbo have to do with anything if not because he is trying to hide behind that to exhibit his Igbophobia hoping not to be attacked by Igbos or any neutral person, because his wife is Igbo

Like the Normal White racist that will start with " I have black friends but... " and goes on to make his racist comments.

Mr man, you just parroted what other Igbophobes do. Own it with your full chest, nothing will happen and stop hiding behind your poor Igbo wife who I pity for marrying someone like you who harbour such sinister sentiments for her people, who knows what that poor woman has been undergoing under your roof.

Well, keeping one cards close to the chest and let competitors second guess one's move, can be a profitable venture.

TAO11:
There is no mention of Yoruba borrowing anything from Fon in the link you pasted. Lol.

I have shared two different screenshots with you clearly stating that Legba is simply an alternative name for Eshu.

But whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. Having said that, you shouldn’t see the need to feel insecure, inferior, or intimidated going forward.

Legba is recognized to have originated from Fon.
Anyone else using Legba or similar cognate, obviously borrowed from Fon. It doesn't need to be stated.
You are the one with insecurities claiming things not belonging to you to make yourself feel good when you could easily give the originators their duely deserved credit.

Its embarrassing.

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Legba

TAO11:
Lol. I can understand why you feel how you feel.

If you had the slightest inkling on the history of Yoruba religion and its spread, you should have realized that that present-day Republic of Benin was heavily influenced via Oyo’s imperial domination etc.

On the flip side, there’s is no record of any such influence on the Yoruba world-view from there.

See the attached for some details on the name Legba as an alternative name for Eshu.

Yoruba borrowed Legba from Fon.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Legba


Eshu belongs to Yoruba. Legba to Fon.
You borrowed and it became an alternative name to your traditional Eshu.
A bit like Ndiigbo borrowed "Ashawo" from Yorubas to serve as a synonym for "Akwuna", which is Igbo name for prostitute.

TAO11:
Legba is the alternative name of the Yoruba deity popularly known as Eshu.

The more common Yoruba pronunciations are Elegba, Elegbara or Legbara.

Legba is a Fon deity.
Stop already.

Ike Nwachukwu the turncoat and traitor.
Igbo history will never be kind on him.
Because Ndiigbo will never call a spade a farm tool.

RuggedSniper:
... Core Agbor indigenes like Jim Ovia (Ovia is an Edoid word for 'God of iron'). Some Ikas who come from towns like Igbodo (in Ika North East close to the border with Aniocha North/Aniocha South LGAs) like to say they are from Agbor when they are NOT. Igbodo speaks an Iboid language that has a closer influence from the nearby Aniocha area. I have great friends from the ANIOMA area. The entire ANIOMA axis/towns originate from several ethnicities such as Igalas in Ebu (Agatha Amata's home town) etc, Bini (in Agbor/Ika areas), Esan (in Idumuje-Unor and Idumuje-Ugboko, etc), Yoruba (in Ugbodu and Eko Efun/Ukwu Nzu, etc), Nri, Nteje. Ibo language/dialects bind them to an extent... but ANIOMA is NOT of HOMOGENOUS ethnic origin. NOTE: Many Oshimili areas such as Illah, Okpanam, Asaba... Even Onitsha also have part Igala ancestry. The aborigines of Onitsha are of Igala ethnic origins... Before the arrival of the Bini/Edo (Onicha Ado N'Idu). Dr. Philip Emeagwali who is an Onitsha man posted on his Website 10 years ago about this HETEROGENOUS ethnic origins of his home town. The Igala ethnicity was the first to introduce the RED CHIEFTAINCY CAPS in the Nsukka area. Igalas also had a great influence in the Oshimili area of Delta State just like in the Western parts of Anambra and Northern Enugu States. Illah is interestingly an Igala word!

Edo has people of Edo, Ijaw, Igala, Igbo, Nupe, Yoruba origins living there.
Can we now say that Edo is no longer Edo because they accommodated people of various origins in the past?

Yorubas have people of Edo, Nupe (Tapas), origin living among them. Can we now claim there are no Yoruba again since they are of diverse origins? Ijebu even claim Sudan origin.

Anioma is Igbo if we are being honest.

christopher123:
agbors case is unfortunate

Very unfortunate.
One of the most educated towns in Nigeria.
Yet no common sense application.

Interesting.
How sure are we that it's his real handle?

SlayerForever:
After reading Hermann Koler's account I get the understanding the Igbo have always been very influential and robust right from time. If the Igbo, as described by Europeans wanted the oceans I think they would have gotten the whole southernmost coast to themselves if they so wish. The other tribes were too tiny to be of any worthwhile resistance. This made me think, what if our forebears deliberately shunned the coast? Like, they actually saw the expanse of water, and were familiar with it, and in some wisdom shunned it and drifted further inland.

Thinking about it now it seems pretty much like a typically Igbo thing to do, even now (and trust me we haven't changed much in mentality from our ancestors). See the water, recognize the danger and drift further inland to live.


How plausible?

The Niger delta was a mosquito infested region.
Infant mortality to Malaria was very high there.
It's not a coincidence that the population down those places were very sparse.
That environment was a very harsh one to survive in. Our ancestors choose the comfort of inland, which was why we became densely populated.

EMMY76:
They are igbos including ikwerre people in rivers state they have been brainwashed by the nigerian state to deny their Igbo heritage after the biafran war so that the Igbo nation will forever be politically divided and weak to challenge the nigerian state again. This strategy have really worked wonders most rich oil producing igbo speaking communities in the so called SS have come to believe this war propaganda over the years that they are actually not igbos but some of them still hold their ground that they are igbos like people like rotimi amaechi etc.

Rotimi Amaechi has held no ground.
He is a typical chameleonic and opportunist Ikwerre man who claims Igbo today and non Igbo tommorow depending on prevailing circumstances.
Don't be deceived.
There are few genuine Ikwerres who are proud Igbos.
But Amaechi is not one of them.
Rather he is a typical Igbophobic Ikwerre Bini man.

MelesZenawi:
Well Bini are revisionist. They behave like that igala man abdullahi, if they see anything that resembles oba cap on your head, automatically you are Bini.

Eze chime left Bini answering chime while the oba was answering eweka, equate and the rest..

So chime fell from the sky and they sent him to onitsha. everything about the analysis is so porous that there is no single connectivity or link..

Same Bini are Yorubas...coz Oranmiyan na Yoruba man..

The issue with Bini history is that out of desire for land grab. Bini people had allowed themselves to be subjugated by the Yorubas (Benin), because should they threaten to emancipate themselves from Yoruba (Benin), they would have to first of all expose the whole truth about how Benin(Yoruba) came to be. And they don't want to do that out of pride.

There are two distinct entities in Edo state. One is Bini ( one of the many Edoid tribes that are indigenous to Edo state) and the other is Benin (A Yoruba kingdom established in Bini territory through the brute force of war and initially through cunning stealth ).

Benin was multicultural and incorporated the indigenous Bini, the ruling Yoruba class who instituted the Oba dynasty, and other mercenaries and migrants from Igala, Igbo, Ijaws( who helped ferry them around), etc.

From time to time, whenever there are intrigues in Benin, many of these non Edoid clans in Benin who lost out in the power game there, usually headed back to their homeland.
Even today, you have many Ijaw speaking clans like Nembe claiming Benin origins because they were part and parcel of Benin kingdom cum empire, just as you have many Yoruba speaking towns with Benin origins because they witnessed reverse migration from Benin back to Yorubaland. It was all reverse migration that would make sense once the distinction between Bini the Edoid tribe and Benin a multicultural kingdom established by Ile ife royalty in Biniland.

MelesZenawi:
@bolded, is correct . The village champions are just bitter and nothing to offer.

Yeah.
The village champions are bitter, hollow and senseless too.

Agbor is a stone throw from Benin. If they were Bini, they would be at least be speaking an Edoid language.
Far away Isoko, Urhobo, Epie/Attisa(Yenegoa), Udekeme (Degema), Engenni (Ahoada west) all migrated from Bini and all speak Edoid language today.

What is happening in Agbor and environment is a testament to the fact that education is wasted on the average black man.
We continue to prove again and again our inability to rise above irrationality and embrace rational thought process, analysis and actions.

In Onu Ika forum in facebook, Ika people are spilling bile and cursing her for claiming Igbo.
It's really hilarious.

I don't usually vote for this BBN thing, but I decided to vote for her in the upcoming week if she survives this week eviction.

I hope she isn't playing the usual parasitic attachment game those confused Binis but Igbo speaking groups in South South exhibits.

I was taken aback when she claimed Igbo.
Because I know many from Agbor are not comfortable with Igbo tag.

I felt she is playing the usual parasitic attachment to Igbo tag the confused Igbo speaking but Bini claiming tribes in SS (Rivers And Delta state) do whenever they need to benefit from Igbo population.


But she appears genuine , grew up outside Agbor and probably untainted by the senseless Igbophobic mindsets prevalent from those parts.

If you raise an Agbor girl or boy outside Agbor land, and don't corrupt him/her with the " we are Bini people, Igbos are dubious people" mindset the normal Ika parents corrupt their children mindsets with from childhood to adulthood, the Agbor girl or boy will probably grow up realizing he/she is same with Ndiigbo and embracing Igbos.

Dorothy father died at her young age. She grew up with her mother who never sowed the Igbophobic mindsets in her.
You can see the difference that makes.

24SEVEN:
She is not demanding good governance. She is hating on Ikwerres. That road is a Fed Govt road, any decision by Wike to reconstruct is purely discretional not obligatory. So she shud channel whatever grievance to Babatunde Fashola, not Nyesom Wike. Besides the body language of average Oyigboans show they are favorably disposed to IPOB than Nigeria. So whatever they get, is what they have sowed.


I want to buy her lineage house in Asa, so that she can remain in Anambra for good.

I guess the bold above, is your subtle way of saying this : "Besides the body language of average Obigbo people show that they are favorably disposed to Ndiigbo than to being Igbophobic.
"

Of course, I have always known that the crime of Obigbo is that they have refused to deny their Igbo identity and engage in identity crisis and Igbophobia you confused Bini Ikwerre people champion in Rivers state.

But you will pay for this act in the end. Your day of reckoning is coming.

24SEVEN:
If Ndoki and maybe Etche(anything in Rivers is possible) join INC and IYC, Yawa don gas for Ikwerre oh. because Ndoki/Asi and Etche loathe Ikwerres for not carrying them along. These groups hate Ikwerre because Ikwerre do not call them to join us in enjoying Rivers money.

But it is well, Abia state and Imo state are always behind Ikwerre people.

Same Imo and Abia neighbours you call "Ele Isoma" and pour all kinds of hostility towards?

Keep deceiving yourselves.

paulemi:
There should be an ohaneze ndigbo for all igbo groups in the south-south region. It's primary aim should be to promote the igbo identity and unify all Igbos in the region and protect their interests.

By the sheer size of Igbos in south-south, they should be able to match any other group in that region, and stop being easy picks.

Current Ohaneze cannot do this from outside, because it'll be seen as an incursion into the politics of the region.

There's nothing like Igboid. Igbo is igbo, though with many clans.

On the contrary, Ohaneze if serious, should release a public disclaimer. Rejecting persons from Ikwerre, Ogba and other Igbophobic groups out there from membership of the organization and stating clearly that these Igbophobic Igboid groups are not Igbos.

Bkayyy:
Governor Bini-ikwerre man go and repair the roads at Obigbo, we the concerned Igbos from South East humbly beseech you.
The Igbo Renaissance must continue, it's time we from the south East through our weight behind Obigbo to produce the next governor of Rivers. The ikwerre call them Orashi people, as linked to Orashi river (ulasi river) that flows through igboland as they refused to deny Igbo on these last days like Rapture, we will definitely return this favour and back all Orashi people to take back Rivers state

Orashi river is at Imo state and Rivers boundary where you have ONELGA in Rivers and Ohaji/Egbema and Oguta LGAs in IMO state.
Oyigbo is far away from Orashi and is rather at Abia/Rivers boundary.

The Ogba in ONELGA( Ogba/Ndoni/Egbema LGA) are the most Igbophobic people you will ever meet more Igbophobic than Ikwerres. Their principal town is Omoku.
The Egbema are still Igbos because they are in Rivers and Imo state.
The Ndonis sit on the fence. They are not Igbophobic, but are not keen to fly the Igbo banner. They call themselves Ndoni ethnic nationality. Peter Odili is from this town. Ndoni share boundary with Ogbaru in Anambra state, and they are essentially Ogbaru people in Rivers state as the language of Ogbaru, Ndoni and Ndokwa East in Delta state are same Igbo dialect.

SlayerForever:
Mad o.

In things fall apart novel, Okonkwo called Ezimma her Ogbanje daughter, a wicked daughter of Akalogili.

Our ancestors met these Humanoids in the rainforest, and might have been responsible for their extinction.
But no one has done much research on them and we don't have enough stories about them preserved and passed down to us.

Obalatule:
I need 2 able bodied men to go and take this lunatic Ayegba to psychiatric hospital

He has a point in that particular post.

Ndiigbo called those humanoid creatures "Akalogoli. Notice it sounds familiar to Igala rendition of it "Okagoli". This is because Igala has proto Igbo people in its formation.
When I was small, and was with my grandfather in the villa. When you do something bad and he is angry, he would call you "son of Akalogoli". I once asked him what it meant, and he just said that they were evil creatures.

Abagworo:
Wike is not a failure. The neglect of Obigbo rechristened Oyigbo started right from the day it was ceded to Rivers State by the Justice Mamman Nasir boundary commission who [b]simply used Imo river as natural boundary [/b]whereas the same people live on both sides of the river.

Wike has done one or two roads whereas Amaechi did none.

This is not true.
Omuma is on the other side of Imo river, yet was joined with Etche in Rivers state.
The mamman Nasir boundary adjustment committee was more interested in stripping East Central state of any oil producing territories.
The Imo river nonsense was a convenient excuse that holds no water on close scrutiny.

MelesZenawi:
What is actually Obigbo offence against Ikwerre people that the place remained abandoned for years?


This is wickedness in high and low places..

Their offense is that they have refused to deny their Igbo identity.

Ikwerre are very toxic to anything Igbo.

SLAP44:
Have you forgotten that Adaka Boro, a staunch Opobo son was instrumental to Oduduwa creation in 1989 during the era of Saraki senior?

What else did you think made made Kudirat Abiola relocate to the house of IBB?

Adaka boro was from Bayelsa. Opobo is in Rivers state.

As for the topic.
The most Opobo people I have met are more comfortable in Ijaw skin. So let them be.

Maybe when IPOB stop their clowning and become real Igbo pressure group they are supposed to be, bring on their A game, gain political control of five SE states, show competence in government, develop Igboland more than it currently is, promote Igbo nationalism, maybe then, the likes of Opobos who are actually an amalgam of Igbo and Ijaw, might decide to stop being Ijaw and become Igbos, maybe by then the whole Bini irrational stories in Igboid Delta and Rivers will die naturally.

Aku na Ike n'ebe okwu. Make Igboland prosperous and position Igbo nationality in places of power both politically and economic and watch even non Igbo speaking groups start plotting graphs of how their ancestors were Igbos who lost their Igbo language.
This is not rocket science.
But you tell them(IPOB), and they will not listen

For now, INC And IYC are strong and well positioned to defend the rights and privileges of any body that accepts they are Ijaw, regardless of the whether such group speak an Ijoid language or totally divergent language.
Opobo people recognizes this and so rightly align with Ijaw.
Even Ndoki in Rivers are considering aligning with the INC and IYC.

Onye aghogbu ka agbaa.