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[quote author=Oghene1st post=91975453][/quote]Isoko were always independent of Urhobo.
Every single colonial document recorded Isoko different from Urhobo. So don't make it look like Isoko pulled out of Urhobo. They were never part of the Urhobo union, even though a few Isoko persons played prominent role in UPU in the past, just as Clark Edwin despite being Ijaw, played a role in UPU of the old because his town Kiagbodo, even though are Ijaw claiming, speak Urhobo as first language because of their early entanglement with Olomo people.

Okpe people have many denials who will tell you openly that they are not Urhobos. The current Okpe traditional leaders might be pro Urhobo because of benefits from UPU, but what do you think would happen if a foreign force invades Urhobo land and retires the current traditional rulers while making the ones denying Urhobo tag the new rulers of Okpe or giving the current rulers ultimatum to either accept being non Urhobo or abdicate their thrones? Thats exactly what happened in Igboids areas of Rivers state.

For example, Eze Ogbuehi Francis Ellah became a pariah in Ogbaland at the hands of FG sponsored Igbo denials there, because he refused to end alliance with Igbo union.

Yujin:
You can't blame them. Politics is very tough and the first thing for any specie to consider is survival. He's clearly apolitical hence he said he's Igbanke. If he's a bit political, he'd have said 'he's Ika' because that's a better group name to use in identification. If he was very political and know his history well, he'll tell you he's Igbo. So don't blame him.
Let me ask you. If you see someone from Oza-nogogo with an Edo name, will he easily tell you that he's Bini? Oza-nogogo is in Ika North-East near Agbor.

Let me give you an insider information. The current Igbanke mainstream are breaking away from Ika tag. Their politicians and their lackeys in Edo government led by Gloria Adagbon are pushing for establishment of Igbanke ethnic nationality, distinct from Ika.

The idea is that claiming Ika is making them outsiders in Edo state, and tha their claims to Ika doesn't sit well with the Binis whose Bininization drive on Igbanke are on steroids.
Igbankes also feel left out and not being carried along by Ikas in Delta state.

So any Igbanke that tells you he is Igbanke, is actually political. Because that's the current political decision of the people. The apolitical ones among them will tell you that they are Ika.

kollinzgee:
So this thing is everywhere I notice the itshekiris too deny yorubas even though the similarity is 90%.

Itsekiri was at no time in history grouped as a Yoruba subgroup.

They have always maintained their independence from the Yoruba Union from the very beginning.

Ijebu also maintained their independence at the beginning but the emergence of Awolowo an Ijebu man as Yoruba leader, changed the Ijebu disposition towards Yoruba union pre independence.

Blackking98:
Exactly, you don't see we ibibios forcing efiks in Cross river or Annang or Oro or eket even though we're atleast 80% the same. Everyone should be free to choose his path

Its not same.

Oro, Annang, Obolo, Ibibio, Efik, have always maintained and insisted on independence from each other from colonial days and all colonial documents recorded them as independent groups.
This wasn't same for Ikwerre and co. They were always comfortable in Igbo skin until 1970.

Oghene1st:
We Urhobos don't force people to be part of us. We have since given the Isokos their freedom from the Urhobo nation even though there is no difference between the Isokos and the Urhobos culturally. The Isoko and Urhobo language are 99.9 percent the same. We have the same customs, we eat the same food, bear the same name, the same dressing but the Isokos said they don't want to be part of the Urhobo nation and we have given them freedom. We don't force people to be part of us sir unlike what the Igbos are doing to the Ikwerres. For your information, Urhobo and Isoko are much more similar than Igbos and Ikwerres but the Urhobos are not saying the Isokos are Urhobos and we have since put it in our minds that they are Isokos and not Urhobos.

Stop writing trash.
Isoko has always been independent of Urhobo since colonial times. They started asserting their distinction from Urhobo to the colonial masters.
This wasn't the same with the Igboids in Delta and Rivers.
The equivalent of Igbo vs Igboids would Urhobo vs Okpe. Okpe recently are seeking independence from Urhobo.

Logycs:
Look, I have shown several times that you know nothing about history.
You just believe in beating your chest.
The Igbo had no country. You were just a bunch of small autonomous tribes when the British conquest started.
You had no empire and weren't even a people.

The British are famous for saying they met the biggest resistance in the region from Benin.
Defeating Benin empire (the superpower of the region) was necessary for the British to open up the lands including what you now refer to as igboland.

Just keep deluding yourself and chest beating.
If you had some brain cells, you would rather spend your time trying to catch up with education.
So no, the british didn't defeat Benin empire in one day.
But this wouldn't make an impact on a guy who refuses to learn and just says whatever his ethnocentric feelings tells him.

History is not a thing you make up, it is a thing you investigate.

Lol! Your ignorance stinks. Ever heard of the Nri Kingdom, Aro confederacy? You know nothing. Bini is a mushroom empire who had advantage of Portuguese supplied weaponry over her western Igbo and Eastern Yoruba(Owo and Akure) neighbors. It was a good head start you made count but was soon lost when everyone else acquired the white man weapons. Even Ubulu uku walloped Bini in war.

The British took just 3days day to ransack Bini, captured the weak Oba and sent him on exile in Calabar.
The Western Igbos were even more difficult to conquer. Powered by the Isu mba fulu ogu ju nni of Igbo uzo in Anioma, the "Aya Ekumeku" of the western Igbos lasted for years and until the end of it, the British couldn't exercise dominion over western Igbo.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ekumeku_Movement

In the entire Nigeria, the British met the greatest documented resistance in Igboland, both Western and Eastern Igboland.
Its,not by claiming mushroom empire that can't resist foreign power.

Emmanuelcann:
Sorry brother, I'm Etsako (Afemai) and I know my roots. My ancestors left Benin for our present homeland. We are 100% Edo. In this modern day it's very easy to determine origins with genetics, it's not something to be established by rhetorics on the web but scientific proof.
When you do get Biafra (which I hope for your sales you do), your problems will not be about Edos but whether the Catholics or Anglicans or traditionalists will hold sway. You will also have to take the bias between Wawa, Ijekebe, Nsukka, Imo, Ebonyi, Ngwas etc, not to mention, can an OSU be President?
I'm not mocking, the point is that the problem is not about self governing units as in the people that govern them. My problem is with crooked and corrupt politicians from every clime. As long as they exist, don't think you can create utopia however industrious you can be!

You are an Etsako? Cool.
Then stick with your Edo brothers. Try and get the Urhobos and Isokos if you can, they are your Edo people.

Remove your eyes from Igbo speaking lands. Igbo tribes have perfect understanding with each other. Its easier for an Ikechukwu from Ebonyi to relate with an Ikechukwu from Ogwashi uku.

I don't understand why you Edoids, Igala and Ijaw are interested in annexing Igbo speaking groups. Why would you want such? How can you communicate with them in Kporakpo meetings? Pidgin English?

Come on! Its not cool.

Logycs:
Once again you speak out of ignorance.
The Portuguese met Benin empire at their first visit. They didn't help create it. And Benin empire traded spices, ivory and many other things with the Portuguese, slave trade wasn't our thing, which is why no part of our coast is within what was then called the slave coast.

Keep claiming Igbo fought the world, that certainly helps you deluded fools to take your ass beating and pretend you weren't conquered and that rather you did conquer.

Don't worry, next lesson is unloading and let us see your next excuse. This time you will claim you were fighting the universe. It is coming, just wait...

By the way, you fool, we will never attack our own brothers in Delta state. You think you can just devide us with these kind of stupid tricks ?
You the southeast ipobians, you are the ones whose ass will soon take a wooping once again and our Delta state brothers will lead the fight against your sorry asses.

Pa Iduwe from Agbor is of the opinion that until the Bini met the Portuguese and acquired guns with which they hunted for slaves East (Anioma) and West(Parts of Yoruba) , Bini was just a kingdom not more powerful than Agbor. Bini empire was a Portuguese creation.

Your empire was conquered by the British within a day. Arochukwu fought for a full year with the British before losing, it took British years to conquer Igboland.
You want to claim Nigerian victory during the civil war ? You want to hide behind that and claim victor?
You are obviously not well oriented.


So Anioma were not your people when you went around killing and pointing them out to the Nigerian soldiers to murder in Bini city during the Igbo pogrom? When Ojukwu appointment Dr Okonkwo as the administrator of Midwest region and you all started shouting of Igbo nepotism, so Okonkwo stopped being an Edo man then?
How many of you accepts that Nzeogwu is Edo and not Igbo. Or don't you know he is Anioma too?

You have no brothers in Anioma, you know it that they are not your brothers, you are just looking for a people to rule over, like your empire building fathers did in the past. You are stuck in the past.

Biafra troops over ran Bini in few days on our way to Lagos. Bini is never our problem. And we don't consider you enemies or friends. You just have to face Edo state and leave Ndiigbo in Delta state for that status quo to remain.

Logycs:
I saw you making threats. You assume we are afraid of the igbo. Now that is amazing. So you guys will "descend on us and finish is off". Well it is good to dream, isn't it.
Your grand father's already had such dreams but at least they had the excuse of not having anybody try that crazyness before them. When it failed woefully and your grandfathers got their asses kicked, they learnt the lesson that you shouldn't grab other people's lands. Your young generation which didn't witness the war did not learn this lesson, don't worry, a lesson can be repeated again and again, untill the student finally learns.

What lesson? The war was Biafra vs the world. And no igbo man ever claimed lands without aboriginal Igbo speakers as part of Igboland.

Isn't it Ironic that an Edo like you whose ancestors acquired weapons from Portuguese slave masters that enabled you to invade these Igbo speaking communities and forcefully annex them into your dominion are here today talking about Igbo being land grabbers because we are telling you that your land grabbing empire days are long gone and that you should forget about those Igbo speaking communities because any further attempt at resuscitation of your empire will be resisted by Ndiigbo in SE, except in Anioma communities where the people willfully accept to be slaves of Oba for a second time?

Move on brother, you can't even convince the Esan and Afemai to accept the empire again, but you want to try your luck with Ndiigbo in Delta state? We will be watching you.

Emmanuelcann:
Language alone does not establish identity. From Igbanke to Onitsha you will discover as an Igbo person that there are sufficient infusions of words with Edo origins and names that make it impossible for you to understand without an interpreter also. I schooled in UNN and at a time I had Kwale and Imo roommates. The Igbos definitely couldn't understand when the Ukwuanis were speaking their language. Apart from the fact that they formed part of an extensive empire, genetic testing will establish the truth once and for all!
Nnamdi Kanu once claimed that the Igbos originated from Israel. I know for a fact that genetic tests were conducted and that claim proved false! It's too late for empire building. If not for the selfishness and greed of Nigerian politicians (who hail from north, south, east and west), this country has potential, but it can never be great - whether as a whole or in fractions because of the people and modern day politics, including agitation for fractionalisation on grounds of tribe or religion or anything else!

You are not making sense. Language is the first marker of shared identity especially when no colonial force is at play.

Nope. There are no infusion of Edo words in Onitsha or Enuani. Its just in Ika. And many of those words are shared words between them and Edo, for all we know, they could have been the ones that influenced the Edos with those words and not the other way round.
Edo people that live close to Anioma also have their own Edo languages infiltrated with Igbo words from Anioma, does that now make them non Edoid? The answer is no! Your logic is flawed.
So you have no point. When two linguistic groups meet at the border, there is usually cross exchange from each other, its never one sided. If you are claiming that Anioma living close to Edo are no longer Igbos because they borrowed few words from Edo neighbors, then you must also accept that their Edo neighbors are no longer Edo, because they borrowed Igbo words from Anioma. But unfortunately, you lots are hypocritical and can't think critically.

Now know this. Igbo is a conglomerate of related tribes United by the fact that they share dialects of a big language whose mutual intelligibility exists in a straight line pattern. The closer two Igbo groups are , the greater the mutual intelligibility of their dialects and vice versa.
For example. An Enugu person who isn't well travelled would struggle to understandspoken Ukwuani at first time, because of the difference in intonation between Ukwuani Igbo and his own version igbo, caused by the great distance between Ukwuani and Enugu. He would need a period of adjustment to familiarize himself with how Ukwuani pronounce common Igbo words. Its not same as a non Igbo trying to learn Ukwuani from the scratch.

But an Oguta man in IMO state and an Ogbaru man in Anambra state who are the Igbos in SE that are direct neighbors to Ukwuani person, understand Ukwuani people 100percent. This because the advantage of proximity have allowed them to get conversant to the Ukwuani way of speaking Igbo, so much that their own way of speaking Igbo now mirror Ukwuani.
Now, the Orlu neighbors of Oguta in Imo understand Oguta, while we in Idemili understand Ogbaru.
The Okigwe neighbors or Orlu understand Orlu, just as Ihiala in Anambra neighbors of Orlu understand Orlu.
The Ihiala are understood by the Nnewi, Orumba and Aguata people in Anambra, while the Okigwe are understood by the Lokpanta in Abia , who are neighbors to Enugu people and who Enugu people understand his dialect.


So if you have a room of Igbos made up of Ukwuani, Oguta, Ogbaru, Orlu, Okigwe, Enugu, Lokpanta, Ihiala, Nnewi, Idemili, Ezza( Ebonyi) Igbos.

The Oguta and Ogbaru will happily chat in their local lects with the Ukwuani guys, while the other Igbos will chat wih the Ogbaru and Oguta to get the gist. We will all still depend on the Enugu guys to chat up the Ezza guy and reply to us in Enugu dialect.

This is how It works for any big Ethnic group. And that's why there are usually artificially created central dialect that everyone is expected to learn and understand easily, to ease communication amongst all groups.In Igbo, this central dialect is called Igbo Izugbe. Everyone understand Izugbe, including Ukwuani people.

By the way. No Anambra man from Idemili axis struggle to understand Enu ani(Aniocha/Oshimili) dialect. Its identical to how we speak.
Igbos are not Jews. We are ancient black race. NK is entitled to his opinions. But no Igbo tribe or clan other than Aguleri have history of migration from Israel.

davidnazee:
The WESTERN IGBOS are allowed to beat with their kit and kins in the East.. That is called freedom of association.. Just like Igbos in other parts of Nigeria or abroad are allowed to beat with their Kins in Biafra (east igbo) but however the geographical area/lands they (western Igbos) occupy is not and will never be part of Biafra. It is Edo territories and will remain so.
so they are free to interact with their kins in the east or even go join them but must understand that that territory (delta north) is not Igbo land and will not be part of Biafra.

Edo territories? Are you for real?

You are a comedian. I tell you.

Anioma lands belong to Ndi Anioma. And if in the end Nigeria breaks up, and Anioma especially Enuani chooses to stay with SE in a new country. You can be rest assured that they would be doing so with their land.
If Edo dare to raise a whimper, Ndiigbo will descend on and finish you off.
You better mind yourselves and stop the jokes already.

Inukwa Edo territories on top someone else's land. Are you in 15th century or what?

Why are you lots this demonic. Imagine if you were a majority group what you would do, if you habour this mindset even as a minority.

donstan18:
Oh! My dear abiriba in Ohafia LGA.

Abia State are lucky to have you in their state, because if not for the existence of Ohafia and Ngwa in Abia state, Abia would have ended up as a 3rd class Igbo state like Ebonyi!

Ndiigbo in NL dey fall hand.
Common sense should tell that no Igbo will say this about another Igbo.
See how easy it was for this impostor to get you guys fighting each other.
What happened to simple digging through his profile history?

Like seriously, Ndiigbo, iberibe unu eruola udiri a?

Logycs:
A bunch of stupid claims.
Anions are part and parcel of Benin empire subjects only to the emperor like every other person in the empire.
Anions served in the highest echelon of the empire ! By the way Obaseki is an anioma. It is outsiders like you who keep saying lots of rubbish in order to draw division and serve your land grabbing purpose.

Also if you guys let Anioma lead your Igbo political or secessionist groups well good for you, so long you understand that those Anioma whom you allow to lead your group represent you the people of the south east and do not in any way represent the Anioma people.

Keep on dreaming...

What are you on about.
You don't want Igbos in the East to beat together with their kin and kiths in Delta, because you want them for yourself? Are you listening to yourself? Why can't you be content with you fellow Edo people? Can you communicate with an Anioma person without using English? Or you intend making them learn your Bini language to recreate your empire again?

Dennis Osadebay was an active member of Igbo State Union. Uwaechue Ralph from Anioma was the president of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo for eight years.
Hon. Ebigwe is a high ranking member of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo now and he is from Anioma.

Obaseki is Anioma, so? He went to Bini and threw away his Igbo language and assimilated as a Bini person, does that now mean that Anioma should become one with Bini and throw away kinship with their Igbo speaking kins in the East.

An Igbo man is currently a senator in Italy and hold Italian citizenship. He even supports the racist Italian government. does it now mean that Igbos are one with Italians when we can't both communicate using our mother tongue?

Not everyone in SE is pro seccession, so leave secession out of it for now.
My point is that Igbo exists on both sides of River Niger.
And no matter all the odds stacked up against Igbo unity, encouraged by the likes of Edo, Ijaw and Igala who are looking to capitalize on current weak political state of the Igbo in Nigeria to annex Igbo speaking groups, we will prevail in the end.
Because in the end, birds of same feathers will always stick together.

Logycs:
Once again you are speaking rubbish, the precolonial maps clearly show Aniomas as being part of Benin empire.
They have never been in the same entity with the south-east. (Except you want to talk about when the entire south was regrouped into one a period which started in 1897 due to colonisation and ended in 1914 not 1938 as you claimed you ignoramus)

Your empire of blood and gore is gone.
Your subjects if they were one in the past were freed and you yourselves were subjected under the British empire and made minorities.

Move on Biko.

Dennis Osadebay who coined the word Anioma was one of the main pillars of Igbo State Union before the war, and founders of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo post civil war.
The Asagba of Asaba is currently a grand patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
You can't be speaking of empire in 21st century. Not cool at all.

Chris525:
Pls take note of this handle. No one does rubbish or is stupid on this side. You dont have to agree but you're either civil or you go your way.

You've made sensible submission on the thread, dont ruin your streak. The igbanke language is Igboid, period. No need for tantrums.

Be smart with how you read the Benin empire map, its only for historical & educational purpose now. The empire is gone!

You ascribe way too much intelligence to yourself. Everyone are settlers! The first settlers own the land and are the indigenes!

No one is dividing you, dont panic. Igbanke are Edo. Language alone is not an identity.

Language in the end will count. Because nothing preserves history more than language.

So saying language, especially first language and mother tongue is not identity is dubious when you are fighting tooth and nail to make them drop their own language for yours to unify them.

Language uniformity offers unity and a sense of natural and not forced union.

Language uniformity is so important that the biblical God had to create multitude of languages to divide the men trying to build a tower into the sky.
Without a common language, it's impossible to have a viable union. This is why artificial countries create a common lingual franca to unite everyone.

You Edo, Igala and Ijaws trying to capitalize on Igbo loss of power post civil war to annex Igbo speaking groups unto yourselves in hope to swell your numbers, must know that this state of affairs will not last for long.
Eventually your time will be up.

Logycs:
Precolonial map of Benin empire:

https://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/64869/africae-tabula-nova-ortelius


http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b77595185.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b7759521n.r=Benin?rk=21459;2

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b846939

You see, contrary to you I don't argue blindly.

I bet you can't even name any so called linguist who classified the language of the igbsnke as igboid, you just like the classification because you believe it serves your purpose. You would take it even if it were done by a monkey.

The map is meaningless.
I can't make anything out of it.

Igbanke is Igboid. There are no two ways about it.

Logycs:
You guys know only the word Biafra and know nothing about history.
Let me educate you a little bit:

1)Delta state was previously part of Bendel (Benin province and Delta province making up the same state)

2) Bendel was previously part of midwest (still Benin province and Delta province together)

3) Midwest was previously part of western region (Benin province and Delta province still together)

4) in the précolonial era, Benin province and Delta province were both part of Benin empire ruled by the Oba of Benin.

So tell me the link between Delta state and the south east, history seems to have failed to capture it.

Also the people in the south east claiming their ancestors migrated from Benin are actually justified by precolonial maps which show their current land as being part of Benin empire (they actually didn't migrate, they are still part of the empire). I will post some of these maps when I have the time

You lack education.

There was Eastern and Western Igbo.

The Western Igbo were first in Southern Nigeria with Eastern Igbo, until 1938 when the southern Nigeria was divided into Eastern and Western regions.
In western region, the western Igbos were in Benin province (Ika and Enuani) together with Edos, while the rest ( Ukwuani/Ndokwa) were in Warri Province.
When Midwest was carved out, they became known as Midwest Igbos, and one of them, in the person of Dennis Osadebay became the first premier of the new Midwest region. Chukwuma Nzeogwu an Igbo from Midwestern region became the leader of the so called Igbo coup. After the war,Midwest became renamed to Bendel, and the Midwestern Igbos were now called Bendel Igbos. But the Bendel Igbos and the Edoids (Urhobo, Isoko), Itsekiri and Western Ijaw, complained of Bini domination in Bendel state. So the Del was removed from Bendel, and Delta state was created. The Benin chose to rename their state Edo state.
The Igbos were now called Delta Igbos, until they evolved a new name pioneered by Dennis Osadebay called Anioma.
So today , we call them Anioma or Delta Igbos.


The evolution was =

Western Igbos - Midwestern Igbos -Bendel Igbos(Ika Igbos) - Delta Igbos- Anioma.

So yes. There have always been Igbos in both banks of the River Niger, just as there have always been Ijaws on both banks.

Logycs:
Stop this rubbish, they are not settlers, they are Edo, the fact a drunk and ignorant so called linguist classified their language as igboid doesn't make them igbo.

Precolonial maps recorded them as Edo.
In Benin empire several languages were spoken by the citizens.

Some of you guys are stupidly helping ipob to devide us.

No one ever recorded Igbanke as Edo. Precolonial maps recorded them and the rest of Delta North as Western Igbo.

The Linguists that recorded their language as Igboid are not stupid, they are professionals who do more with facts and less with sentiments or concocted and distorted oral stories.

Grow up.

Chris525:
Biafra has no business with Edo or claiming any part of Edo. True, the igbanke of Edo speak ibo but thats about what there is to it. They are settlers.

All over the south, even in the SE, up to Benue & Kogi there are people speaking Edoid languages. Edos will not go there to claim their land or impose anything on them. Its common sense.

In this era of social media & free speech, online or public space is littered with junk & half thoughts. We must be smart about what we react to.

Edo has never been involved directly or indirectly with the Biafra struggle. Edo has no part to play or relationship of any sort with the struggle. Safe to say Edo do not support & also are not against but no doubt their body language is tilted towards Nigeria. More like a neutral with a preference. I also dont think the Igbo see them as their antagonists.

There is not a single community in SE speaking an Edoid language.

What we have are some communities in SE who are Igbo speaking but with delusional and irrational stories of migrations from Bini.

Additionally, Igbanke are not settlers in those lands. They just had their land carved into Edo state instead of Delta state like the rest of Igbo speaking communities in the old Asaba division, because they were always scared of Agbor domination and chose to pitch their tent with Edo.
Additionally, Ogbemudia who is Bini but whose mother was Igbanke also played a big role in Igbanke being carved into Edo state instead of Delta like the rest of the Ika speaking groups.

Revolva:
You are close a bit but I don't buy that your idea that Yoruba is older than igala .
Just because modern literature says igala language is yorubaiod means igala is from them

Mother's tongue tells a lot , if igala women dis not give birth to yorubas together with Benin father called oduduwa then how come Yoruba and igala language have some similarities.
As for ibaji people I know there are some of them that mingles and you are right about that but today they don't agree to be Igbo no matter their behavior .
But if they want to be called Igbo well it's up to them to go to the eze Igbo council and propose themselves.

Even the igalas outside kogi pay homage to Attah of igala

Now who is at a fair chance of recognition

Is it the igbos in southern kogi that don't want to meet up with igbos leaders and voice themselves or the igalas outside kogi who are already documented



It is.... It is exactly pronounced that way ! Onu Ebu is the title of their king and what they call their king toll date meaning Spokesperson or mouthpiece of Ebu

Or can you tell me what Onu means I'm Igala

You lied on Onu being Yoruba and I caught you now you don change post !

They have been igbonized period... You keep saying things you aw not sure of... Just like you made a mention of Ibaaji... Dude go and drink sir... It's Sunday

Onu is called chief in igala land oga ok it's an igala title not Igbo

Every igala no matter have their Onu (Ohnuh)..remember not the same pronounced as Igbo version of onu (Ornu)

So if Ebu cheif bear Onu as title that is to tell you they know their customers n traditions and they speak igala till date

Mouthpiece in Igala is "Ukomu" no?

I never said that Onu is not an Igala title. I'm actually arguing that it is.
What I'm also arguing is that it means "lord" or King.
And that it is a cognate of "Olu" seen in Yoruba.

Maybe you need to look up the word "cognate" in linguistics.
For example, the Igala word for land "Ane", is a cognate to Igbo word for land, ie "Ana", "Ani" "Ala" and "Ali",depending on part of Igboland involved.

AmuDimpka:
It is.... It is exactly pronounced that way ! Onu Ebu is the title of their king and what they call their king toll date meaning Spokesperson or mouthpiece of Ebu

Or can you tell me what Onu means I'm Igala

You lied on Onu being Yoruba and I caught you now you don change post !

They have been igbonized period... You keep saying things you aw not sure of... Just like you made a mention of Ibaaji... Dude go and drink sir... It's Sunday

I didn't say it's Yoruba.
I said its cognate of the Yoruba word "Olu".

Onu means Lord/King in Igala

Olu means Lord in Yoruba.
Igala is a Yoruboid language.

AmuDimpka:
I told one that he isn't Igbo here in Lagos he called me and said that I am embrassing him.

A yoruba man introduced him as Igbo to me... I told the Yoruba man in clear terms that he isn't Igbo just like a fellow Nigerian like me that I would be glad to deal with Efiks and Ibibio than ikwerre... I can never convince them to be Igbo ...

Just that I present my facts online... Offline.. trust me , I don't even give a fück about them !

Your behavior is exactly in order and more Igbos should be groomed to act as such to any Ikwerre man found claiming Igbo.
If the Ikwerre claiming Igbo feels embarrassed, he should take his fight to the floor of Ogbakor Ikwerre, if he loses there, he should take it to his town union to separate from Ogbakor Ikwerre, if he fails too, then he should accept his non Igbo tag in peace,in the knowledge that majority of his people took the decision for him.

It's that simple. They shouldn't be allowed to eat their cake and have it. We are not fools.

AmuDimpka:
I totally agree with you , I am from Ukpor in Anambra also and we don't even give a damn about the ikwere because they don't have anything to bring to the table apart from hooliganism and cultism but we have to still tell them the truth

Finally we can agree on a thing.

Good. Thanks.

See, we are real brothers. We quarrel and reconcile because we are Igbo men. You will never share same level of understanding with an Ikwerre man, because he is simply not an Igbo.

AmuDimpka:
For the sake of privacy, I would have given you many ikwere here in Lagos that are in Igbo meetings !

So what are you trying to say again ?

Dude you ain't got story
.. stop being sentimental! You are sounding funny ... What about Okechukwu that is Ohaneze scribe , he is an ikwerre man

Ikwerres are opportunists.
They claim Igbo when they are outside Rivers state, so that they can benefit from Igbo unionism. I have many of them as friends and I know them very well. I also tell the truth.

The same Ikwerre man in Lagos sucking up to Igbo union there to gain favours, brotherhood and succour, equally has uncles, mothers, sisters, fathers in his village in Emohua who are rabidly Igbophobic. Also, that your Ikwerre friend once back to Rivers state, would dine and move with them( his Igbophobic people) and start singing different songs of Bini to you, once he wants to assume political post in his home land, because he knows his people will only accept him when he comes to them as an Igbophobic Ikwerre man.

You should be wise enough to know when a people or person is playing you and using you to achieve their own aims.
An Ikwerre only claims Igbo when he has something to gain by doing so. And it's usually a transient, parasitic and opportunist attachment.

You should not fall for it

MelesZenawi:
My town union is even more powerful than Oranaeze ndigbo.

Lol!

AmuDimpka:
Lies big lies... I live in Lagos and I speak Yoruba ... Mouth is called Enu not Onu so stop this madness .. and in Igbo Enu is. Different word meaning up

So Onu Ebu means the speaker or the spokesperson of Ebu and he bears igbo ne and Onu means spokesperson or mouthpiece of a person
.. Igbo bear that name example Ohbonnaya Onu

Show me one Igala man that bears the name Onu then I can take you serious .. if you can't ... Can you remain silent forever?

Voice in Igala is "Ukomu" and not "Onu".

Onu in Igala has nothing to do with voice or spokes person. This whole argument is becoming redundant.

I never said that Igbos don't bear onu. But you have to know that Onu as found in Ogbonnaya onu, Onuora (people's voice) , Onunkwo( Voice of Nkwo) OnuIgbo( Voice of Igbo), etc.
Is not pronounced like the Onu in Onu Ebu and they don't have same meaning.

AmuDimpka:
Oga nobody is forcing ikwere not to pull out! You are sounding agtated here.... Please who are the majority that agreed on this pull out? Is it the Ubima, the Elele, The Ogba , the Choba where exactly was that agreement made
You guys just talk anyhow

Beside that we in Nnewi don't even care if they pull out or not... We are doing far fr better

Have a better day

I don't know who you are fighting.
I'm an Igbo from Idemili North Anambra. And we over here don't also care about Ikwerre.

But we reasonably would not want an Ikwerre from Elele whose people are part of the Igbophobic Ogbakor Ikwerre organization, taking the Igbo tag as and when they feel like.

Their must be a certain level of rigidity attached to who should and who shouldn't be called Igbo.

You can't have an Ikwerre whose people are anti Igbo allowed free access to Igbo tag. It's an insult to our intelligence and takes away any prestige the Igbo tag has.
Ohanaeze are a bunch of unserious people , which is exactly why they have Ikwerres in their midst.
Little wonder they are not in anyway interested in protecting Igbo interests. Because if they do, then judgement must start from home, and that means expelling Ikwerres and other Bininods in their midst from the group.

A group should have a strict membership to hold any relevance. As it stands. Ndiigbo have none, which shouldn't be so.
But some of us are trying our best to correct that mistake by jolting our people back to their senses.

AmuDimpka:
LoL..
Funny guy Onu is mouth (Spokesman ). .. in Igbo and has nothing to do with Yoruba ... Also what about the kind name and the names of town president

You must be one of these Creek boys ... I don't think you are intellectual sound to have this conversation... You are sentimental and I don't deal with sentiments. I say the truth

Onu in Igala is a cognate of Olu in Yoruba. It's nothing to do with voice.

Go and research it.
Igala is not called a Yoruboid language for no reason.

AmuDimpka:
My dear your anology is wrong very wrong... You mistake EU (which is man made ) with ethnicity which is Natural

Try again ! I am not particularly about ikwerre being Igbo or not ! Trust me it doesn't change anything to the Igbo ... Or even ikwerre

We just have to put things in proper perspective and stop being emotional ikwerre just like Nkwerre , Okwelle are Igbo sub group ... Period it is not debatable

What you can talk is if they decide to be on their own? Oh yes they have that right because nobody would force them ... But that still doesn't change the fact that they are igboid

Whether you like it or not. Igbo is a conglomerate of related yet independent tribes and towns who are united by mutually intelligible dialects of a language that runs in a continuum as you travel the length and breadth of the area and by common culture, history and life outlook.

If any tribe in this conglomerate wants to pull away and stand on its own. Then it's free to do so. But it must be ensured that they by no means benefit from the Union by the rest of the tribes that choose to stay with the union.

As Ikwerre on the majority have decided that they are better of without the Igbo union. It is the duty of the rest of the remaining tribes in the union to ensure that no Ikwerre person under any guise or form benefits from the union, since Ikwerre don't contribute to the union.
This would mean that no Ikwerre persons should be allowed to identify as Igbo or represent Igbo.

If for any reason an Ikwerre person likes the Igbo union and wants Ikwerre to be a member. Such Ikwerre person must take his fight to the floor of apex Ikwerre organization, the Ogbakor Ikwerre and win the battle there by making them accept wholly Ikwerre commitment and membershipbof the Igbo union by issuing a public notice.
If he can't win the battle against the Ogbakor Ikwerre, then such person should get his own town union , for example Elele town union, to publicly announce dissociation from Ogbakor Ikwerre and all she represents and reaffirm commitment to the Igbo nation.

Only after this, would an Elele man be fully accepted as an Igbo and accorded full rights as nwafor.

Of course. Elele people will not do this. They will simply toy with your small brains, telling you they are Igbos, while they remain fully represented in Ogbakor Ikwerre, a well known Igbo phobic and anti Igbo organization.


This is not rocket science. It's about time Ndiigbo stopped sentimentality and embrace pragmatism.

AmuDimpka:
You are a big clown trust me... Igala assimilated Igbo in Ebu yet they speak Igbo as their language and the Igbo being assimilated don't speak Igala ( now this is stupidity)
Igala assimilated igbo in Ebu yet their king is named Onu Ebu (Igbo meaning the spokesman of Ebu)

Chai .... Your definition of assimilated is funny... Can you go back to queen premier 1 ... You need to have a good grasp of terms

Onu in Igala is a cognate of Olu in Yoruba. Onu igala sounds more like Onu for neck in Igbo than Onu for mouth. I hope you know that?

My take is that the Igala migrants and refugees in Ebu were able to outnumber the aboriginal Igbos there and hence were able to seize the control of the monarchy of the town and hence retained their Igala language as first language while being bilingual.
In the neighboring Illah where Igalas also migrated to, the Igbo aboriginals outnumbered them and retained the throne, hence the Igalas were totally and completely assimilated in Illah only heard about in exaggerated and distorted origin stories as is norm in Igbo speaking realm outside SE.

I have no doubt that you are an IPOB member. You lots are always quick to throw expletives around and too lacking in knowledge of Igbo and her relationship with aggressive minorities neighbours. Which is why you lots are ignorantly proposing a Frankenstein monster country with the minorities (Edos, Ijaws, and Igala) who are not only Igbophobic, but are actively eying and working overnight to assimilate Igbo speaking groups and territories and shrink our already small land mass more.

You lots are so blind that your ways defy logic and common sense.

AmuDimpka:
But many ikwere identify themselves as Igbo... My cousins are from Elele and they would tell you they are Igbo.... Would you tell odinaka that he isn't Igbo

Who are you to tell them or anyone who is Igbo or not? Who gave you that authority?

Here in Lagos and outside Rivers ikwere join Igbo in their meetings

K
So who gave you the mandate ?

As high as 48% of British people voted to be part of EU. Yet the 52% who wanted out had their way.
And even though the 48% would want to identify with EU, the EU will not accept them, and would make sure they are treated same way as their 52% brothers who voted against EU inclusion.

This is how you run a Union. It must be made in such a way that no group gets to eat their cake and still have it, lest the union becomes useless.

You lots claiming and accepting few Ikwerres who accept Igbo tag, even when you are well aware that the majority of Ikwerre people are not only against Igbo Union, but are voraciously Igbophobic are doing harm to Igbo as an ethnic group.

Ogbakor Ikwerre the apex Ikwerre organization is anti Igbo. All Ikwerre town unions including Elele are members of Ogbakor Ikwerre and have representatives there.
If they have issues with Ogbakor Ikwerre stance on Ikwerre not being Igbo, they should go and make it there and publish their communique on dailies.

Ikwerre is not Igbo. It's the duty and obligation of any Igbo nationalist who wants Igbo progress to hold to heart this truth and always proclaim it.