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MinorityOpinion:
We're talking about cargo ships you're talking about blue water smh

It's not your headache. It's ours. Leave it for us to worry about. If Biafra will be a failure, Yorubas will push us out of Nigeria to get it, we don't like you and you don't like us. No need for the pretence.

We will use barges and bring the cargoes in, if we like.
We can still use river rechannelling technology to channel all Rivers And Streams in Igboland to Imo river to increase the water volume after we must have dredged it. It's our headache, not yours.
Stop crying more than the bereaved. Stop hiding behind shadows (claiming to be from SS when it's obvious you are Yorubas) in desperate attempt to try and make our sea access negotiations with minorities down south difficult.

oyatz:
This is a great example of Fallacy of hasty generalization.

1) Yorubas and Igbos are not the only people on Nairaland. There are Nupes, Igala,Tivs, Efik, Urhobos on Nairaland too.

2) It's wrong to assume that anyone/everyone that say or open a thread against Biafra must a Yoruba.

3) Debates about the S/East being landlocked or not doesn't mean hatred for Biafra

Yorubas are on majority those who want to die on top Biafra matter.
Anywhere you go, it's the same. At Historyville, at Nigerian Nostalgic Project, everywhere.
Yorubas exhibit hostility towards Biafra. They preach fake Nigerian unity and are always quick to try and use all forms of blackmail or scaremongering, to fight against Biafra actualization.

Your antics are well known to Ndiigbo, we are not our ancestors who left you to your devices. We will not. If you don't let us be, we will not let you be. It's a MAD thing.

Stay off, it can't be that hard to do.

The upper flow of IMO river through Abia and Imo is not so good. Too many sediments and silts.
But the downflow at Ndoki is good and wide enough.
We build the port at Ndoki and then build a connection of railways from there to Onitsha, Abakaliki, Nsukka, Owerri, Enugu, Asaba, Agbor (if they decide to come onboard), Orlu, Afikpo, Nnewi, just name it.

We will be fine.
If we want or need more volume, we dredge and do River/streams rechanneling to Imo River to increase the width and volume.
Nothing is impossible for a determined people united by common history, language and cultural ties.

Yorubas should concentrate on retrieving Ilorin and Okun from Fulanis and leave Ndiigbo to take care of our own headaches.
When you cry more than the bereaved, you come across as an evil person who could have been responsible for the deceased death.

MinorityOpinion:
You mean this river lol

This ship will pass through this river.

Afonja, I mean the below.

You see how beautiful it is, right?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myguidenigeria.com/things-to-do/azumini-blue-river/amp/
Pure tourist heaven.
Cry for me Afonja, cry

oyatz:
And how does all these facts concern the Yorubas?

What's the essence of the OP bringing the 'WEST' into this thread?

Why the need to always bring the Yorubas into the Biafran matter with the funny impression that the Yoruba are the obstacles to Biafran secession?

You must be funny.

Yorubas have been opening numerous threads claiming Igboland is landlocked.
This thread is only a counter thread.

We can do River course diversion if need be to swell up volume of Imo River.
We simply divert and rechannel all Rivers and streams opening into River Niger from Igboland to IMO river.
Chinese are already adept at this technology.

We have so many options in Igboland. Biafra will be a great nation.

MinorityOpinion:
Where is the source of river imo?

Isuochi town, Abia State, Igboland.

So if you like dry up River Niger, we have Imo River.

Apawicked:
hope you didn't fall for this trick. The op no be Igbo guy

I know. Very well. I just want to dispel the thought process of SE needing any Igboid group outside SE.
We want them all and would happily welcome them, but without them, we will still be perfectly fine.

MinorityOpinion:
Can this kind of ship pass through your dredged River? No

If you dredge it, won't it make the erosion prone region more inhabitable?

Do you know why we don't generate more electricity from river Niger. Because other countries through which it pass have already dam it. This lead to low volume of water especially during dry season


So you can't make use of it.

We have access through Imo River too, whose source is in Isuochi Abia state.
So we control the water flow.

Dry or rainy season.

OP. Adding Ikwerre, Ogba, Etche, Ekpeye to Igboland will not bring us any nearer to the sea.

Those groups do not offer Better sea access than SE already have with Obuaku in Abia state.

They are more southern, but their lands are not seacoasts and many don't have direct river access to the sea.
For example, Ikwerre access to the sea is via Bonny Rivers and almost same distance to the ocean as the one at Obuaku. The Bonny river southwards to the sea is controlled by the Ijaws.
So like in Obuaku, we will still need to reach agreement with Ijaws on international rivers sea access.

I have no issues with adding Igboid in Rivers state to Biafra , as its always good for brothers to stay together in unity, but I'm afraid, as far as sea access goes, those Igboids cannot offer us more than we already have in SE.

MinorityOpinion:
Igbo land in Niger delta kill you there . Don't forget the same delta killed a lot of igbos themselves when the FG seized their land from your grasp. They know what they are, don't try and create a mini Nigeria stick with your 5 states

See them, "SS must hate Ndiigbo" Yoruba shadowy group.
This one is already hidding behind the shadow of minority. Yet his agenda sticks him out as Yoruba, like a sore thumb.

Igbochief001:
Firstly there is no way biafra would go and Niger Delta remain in Nigeria

Two when biafra becomes independent try rubbish ...then we would fight full recognize country to fully recognized country

They no born Nigeria well Sha

SS are not foolish to turn their region to theatre of war front with independent Biafra, just so that hateful and bitter Yorubas will retain Lagos seaport monopoly, live in peace and go about their business in peace in SW, while SS territories will be in disarray as war rages on.

Yoruba hate will just not allow them reason well.
They think it's only them that knows what's good for themselves.

The whole "SS must hate Ndiigbo" campaign they started since 1960s is aimed towards SS allowing them to bring war of economic strangulation of Igboland to SS, while SW remains in peace and enjoy sea port monopoly.

These shadowy group can't help themselves .

So the Yorubas now care about Igbo well-being post Nigeria than Igbos?
Taking paracetamol for another Man headache.
Look how these shadowy group are so interested in Biafra viability or lack of than Igbos, practically crying more than the bereaved

So the whole "SS must hate Ndiigbo" campaign is all about making Igbo landlocked so that we will keep using your New $630m loan Chinese port in Lekki?

Your names are sorry. If you like dig up articles written by any efulefu from Igboland to try and make Biafra less desirable for Ndiigbo. You waste your time. Ndiigbo will still get Biafra.

We know you are full of hate, so the more you attack Biafra, the more we know it holds something great for us, which is why you don't want it to come.

Biafra will happen, that your second Lagos sea port will be useless, you would have to pay back the Chinese loans alone, because once Biafra leaves, every one down SS and NC will be banging on the door to leave too.
You will have to make peace with the fact that SE will open up her River ports post Nigeria independent, the nations that will spring up down SS will open up theirs too.
Your Lagos seaport will have to compete with these seaports for Northern import traffic and would probably lose out. Unless you plan staying in same country with Arewa post Biafra, which is what would probably happen, then your Lagos port might retain monopoly on NW and parts of NE. But I don't think that would be enough to keep the two ports viable. NC would likely have their own independent countries, except maybe Kwara and Kogi West, which are already part of Arewa

The more you try to stop Biafra, the more you lose. I'd advise you stick to your "SS Must hate Ndiigbo" agenda. You will never convince anyone than yourselves that Igboland has no access to the sea.

nextdoor84:
And what language do you think they speak in Bonny?

Same way the Ekiti and Ijesha (ounje osha) slaves were bought by the oyos and shipped away to the new world .
The whitemen you are talking about, the Aros sold them the slaves and not the ijaws. Thousands of Ijaws were bought and shipped to the Caribbean. Slavery has happened to virtually every race and people of the world so it's a scar we all bear.
The Jews were enslaved by the Egyptians and the babylonians.
The Greeks, Armenians and the people of south Ossetia were all enslaved by the Turks in Asia minor.
The Chinese were enslaved by the mongols from Mongolia.
The list is endless.

You have time for "SS must hate Ndiigbo" pained Yorubas .

An ethnic group so not so straight that even the British noticed their "shadowy" nature.

Gabkosh:
Awon SS and SE attachee have arrived.

Ndi SS must hate SE has arrived

kettykings:
you are brainlocked and that is why even with acclaimed access to the sea , you want to go down with a sinking ship

They took a 630m dollars loan from Chinese hoping to build a second sea port, while hoping to keep the rest of Better south seaports deficient and dependent on Lagos.

Tell me how they will pay back those Chinese loan if the country divides and Lagos have to serve only Oodua land that is as big as Benin republic?

You see why these lots are pained at our plans of exit.

forgiveness:
Tah! Edos are not Yoruba but Issee uku are Edos.

What?
You know more than the Ooni of Ife?

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/198255-benin-kingdom-edo-yoruba-territory-ooni-ife-adeyeye-ogunwusi.html

Taa mechionu nwataa, na ikwuu alu!

(look for a Bini Issele uku man to interprete that Igbo for you)

forgiveness:
I have cousins who don't understand one word in my language but fluent in English. Does that change the fact...... My son speaks Igbo and hears nothing in my Language (thou I have started teaching him), is he Igbo?

Go to East and see many Yoruba kids dey chop Igbo but can't speak ah for Yoruba. Dem be Igbo?

English is not a native language to your cousin . Yoruba is. Your cousin will never be an Englishman because he can't speak Yoruba.

Your cousin only speak Igbo as a foreign language. It's not his mothertongue.

Do you understand the concept of mother tongue? Yorubas speaking Igbo is cool, but Igbo can never be their mother tongue.

Anioma all speak a version of Igbo language mutually intelligible to us in SE, as mother tongue. Even Igbanke that is in Edo, speaks an Igbo dialect we all understand in SE once written or spoken at a very slow pace.

I know it's painful to know Yorubas have no footprints in SS, and that's why you lots go about trying to sow seeds of division between Ndiigbo in SE and Igbos in SS, including the minorities.
But you must know that language is a strong binding force.
Eventually, all Igbo speaking clans in SS will reunite with SE or at least seek for a form of union with us. It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when.

As for Odiani, their Igbonization process is going on very smoothly.
Forget about them they are where they are loved and wanted, move on

forgiveness:
They sees demselves Edo.

Edos are Yorubas.
So they are Yorubas

forgiveness:
Most of those towns don't see themselves Igbo. Especially Ika.

They see themselves as Yorubas.
We know.

forgiveness:
They are Benin. They never see themselves as Igbo. Fact.

Yes!
Go speak Bini with them.
They will never hear a single Bini. Fact!

forgiveness:
You a nobody to speak against THE KING OF OLUKUMI. The KING has spoken THAT OLUKUMIS ARE YORUBAS. EOD

They are known as Odiani and no longer Olukumi.
There Igbonization is at a very advanced stage, and they are happy with that.
Move on. If any thing, be happy you replaced them with those Edo people in Akoko SE of Ondo that you are currently Yorubanizing at advanced stage. Epinmi, Ipe, Isua, etc.

You don't see Edos claiming them.

Let's not talk about the Tapas in Lagos and the Eguns.

forgiveness:
Issele uku are Benins.

Yes! They are Benins.
Go and communicate with Bini with them, inugo?

Sunshineg5:
Yorubas are generally reasonable and realize there's no way those Yorubas can ever be reunited with us.

The Olukumi are in between Edos and Igbos and share no natural boundary with other Yorubas, just like Ijaws in Ondo trapped between Yorubas and Ishekiri.

They are not between Edo and Igbos.
They are completely surrounded by Igbos (Enuani).
If you meet any Odiani person outside Delta and ask him or her where she/he is from, they would probably tell you Issele-uku. Because its the biggest community in the area and most popular too. It hosts NYSC orientation camp of Delta state.

forgiveness:
Abi you sabi pass de king?


“We are a Yoruba speaking community and the name of our language is Oloku mi,” she disclosed. [/b]Finally the king, H.R.M. Ayo Isinyemeze, the Oloza (Obi) of Ugbodu, met the desire of the writer. The youthful looking, handsome royal father explained. According to the monarch who is also the chairman of the Traditional Rulers Council in Aniocha North, the Ugbodu Oluku mi speaking people migrated from Owo/Akure axis in the current day Ondo State between 9th and 11th Century AD to settle down in Benin during the reign of King Ogiso of Benin.My children all bear Oluku mi names. I think there is renaissance, an effort of going back to our roots.

So, most of the children being born these days are named Oloku mi names.

According to Adebowale: “The real Oluku mi is like the Yoruba that is spoken in Owo in Ondo State. Someone from that place is expected to understand the language perfectly. I am an Oluku mi man and I am proud of my language.

https://ukpuru.tumblr.com/post/115435435597/far-from-home-yoruba-community-makes-home-in

They were just posing for the camera.

Odiani are proud Igbos. They acknowledge they came from Owo axis, and that's all. They have Igbonized. Their land is surrounded by Enu-ani communities. If you love them and don't want to cause problems for them, leave them alone and face your SW.

Igbide in Isoko are Igbos, but we don't associate with them because their land is not contiguous with any part of Anioma and they have Isokonized.

The first Igbo miss Nigeria, miss Helen Anyamelune, miss Nigeria 1958, was from there, and she proudly identified as Igbo. Her Victory was celebrated by Igbo Union then.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2012/08/23/former-miss-nigeria-helen-is-dead/amp/

I know Odiani people on their facebook pages. They are proudly Enuani and Igbo by extension while acknowledging their Owo migration origin.

Tobrasky:
Of course we are Igbos, we RESEMBLE Afonja abi Ishan to you? see this guy ooo . Ok let me make it easier for you. My question was, can any tribe you come from... boast of this preponderance of human resources, the list too plenty sef but make I indulge you on the few already listed:

Gebrel Ifeanyi Ogbechi Rainoil

Benedict Peters Aiteo Group

Dame Winifred Akpani Northwest petroleum and Gas

Prof. Steve Agwo Okecha, renowned academic, author of international repute and elder statesman

Dennis Osadebe, politician, poet, journalist and former premier of the now defunct Mid-Western Region of Nigeria, which now comprises Edo and Delta State.

Sebastine Okoh >> SSA To Deputy Senate President ( CEO Stiinos)

Zulu Sofola, the first published female Nigerian playwright and dramatist and first female
Professor of Theater Arts in Africa.

Buchi Emecheta, Nigerian-born British novelist

Godwin Emefiele, the Governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria.

Gift Kenneth >> CEO GSP Global Services

Ifeanyi Okowa, former Nigerian Senator and Executive Governor of Delta State

Austine "Jay-Jay" Okocha, former Captain of Super Eagles of Nigeria

Sunday Oliseh, former Captain of super Eagles of Nigeria

Stephen Okechukwu Keshi, former Super Eagles captain and Malian National Football Team Coach

Nduka Ugbade, Nigeria's former football player and the first African to lift the world cup

Demas Nwoko, prominent Sculptor of Nigeria

Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, the current Managing Director of World Bank

Elizabeth Isichei, prominent historian

Obi Prof Joseph Chike Edozien, the Asagba of Asaba

Emmanuel Ibe Kachikwu, Minister of State for Petroleum

Jim Ovia, M/D Zenith Bank

Tony Elumelu, Chairman of Heirs Holdings, the United Bank for Africa, Transcorp and founder of The Tony Elumelu Foundation

Air-Marshal Paul Dike, former Chief of Defence Staff of Nigeria NASA

Joy Ogwu, former Mangaging Director of Nigeria Institute of International Affairs

Patrick Utomi, Presidential Candidate and Founder of Lagos Business School

Phillip Asiodu, former Federal Minister

Nduka Odizor, former Lawn tennis player

Maryam Babangida, wife of General Ibrahim Babangida

Chief. Sonny Iwedike Odogwu, business mogul

Chukwurah Joseph Udeh OFR, former Comptroller-General Nigerian Immigration Service
Obi senator Nosike Ikpo, former Senator of the Federal Republic

Chief Sabastine Adigwe, former MD, Afribank NIgeria PLC

Godswill Obielum, former Governorship Aspirant, Delta State

Peter Okocha, Governorship aspirant, Delta State and Business Mongul

Eddy Egwuenu, distinguished banker, co-founder Zenith Bank
Dr. Newton Jibunor, famous Sahara traveller

Dr. Cyril Uchenna Gwam, diplomat, international civil servant and international environmentalist

Bonny B. N. Umeadi PhD, Technologist and Inventor of Micro/Nanosensor Devices to monitor oil and gas pipeline system

Arc. Kester Ifeadi, Chairman/CEO Contemporary Group and President Organisation For the Advancement of Anioma Culture(OFAAC)

Engr. Emma Onyekwene, MD/CEO, Coolman Oil Services

Chief G.N. Ogwude (Late), Mathematician and Academician

Colonel Joseph "Hannibal" Achuzie

Chief Epiphany Azinge, a Professor and a Senior Advocate of Nigeria. Former Director of Nigerian Institute of Advance Legal Studies.(NIALS).


I'm waiting.

How can you forget to include Austin Avuru of Seplat oil. That's an Mkpari. Biko edit this list and include him sharp sharp.

forgiveness:
There are Yorubas in Delta called Olukumi.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olukumi_people&ved=2ahUKEwijw_mEysDpAhV2DWMBHfrCARkQFjABegQIDRAF&usg=AOvVaw0ySl2H06ytqh88wTnUQ8a2

They are currently known as Odiani, and they don't identify as Yorubas, they identify as Enu-ani, Anioma, and then Igbo.

Think of it this way. Someone with HND and another with masters degree start working in the same organisation. Which of them is likely to be be promoted faster? Of course the Master Deegree holder.

Take Bassey(N1) and Maimalari(N5) for example. Bassey was a serving soldier when he was selected from the lower ranks and sent on a 3 months "short service" officers course to England. On completion of the course, he became the first Nigeria officer and was given the Army number (N1).

Maimalari finished secondary school, was recruited into the Army and sent to :

Regular officers training school (ROSTS)

Eaton Hall military cadet school, England

Royal military Academy, Sandhurst.

It took Bassey only 3 months to be an officer while it took Maimalari 3 years.

Maimalari was far more qualified than Bassey. Thats why by 1965, Maimalari was already a Brigadier and Bassey was still a Lt Colonel

Some one gave this explanation in previous thread on this. On why Bassey was usurped for posts by his juniors.
Looks like he was too laid back and lacking in ambitions.

Bede2u:
the idiot knows exactly what he is doing. Yoruba key board warrior.

This was his reply to this same question years ago when the question arose on why Baseey was always overlooked for posts.

https://www.nairaland.com/3884566/first-30-nigerian-military-officers/3

But today he is here his ilks to propagate Igbophobic agenda.

seunmsg:
This thread was opened by someone from the south south who is interested in knowing why the promotion of WU Bassey, a late army officer from calabar was not as rapid as that of his juniors around the same period. If you have a problem with the thread, direct your concerns towards the OP and leave the Yoruba race out of this.

Again, please note that Ogundipe was the chief of general staff (Vice President) to Ironsi. He cannot be the number two man and still be the governor of western region. Adebayo that was next to Ogundipe was in London as at the time of the coup and the next person to him was Fajuyi. That explains why Fajuyi was appointed as the governor of the region.

Don't act that way with me.

OP asked a question, and your Yoruba brothers arrived to turn it to Igbo bashing by claiming that Bassey was skipped for the post because he wasn't Igbo, when he was not the only senior to Ojukwu that was skipped, there were Igbos there too that were skipped.
So there is no leaving Yoruba out of it. When you are already here spinning narratives to paint Ndiigbo black.

Christistruth00:
That was the way Zik and also the Eastern Region minorities saw it. Verfy the Source. Only a month later Adaka Boro declared the Niger Delta Republic.

Not true. You were not in the mind of minorities to speak for all of them.
You only posted Zik opinion, which is a biased one because Ojukwu took his Place as the Eastern region leader. He was looking for ways to get back at Ojukwu. His opinion is noted, but only an opinion of a man with grouse, if he truly made those comments.

Throwback:
I thought you enjoy when historical discussions are brought up by the likes of the late Nnamdi Kanu and Radio Biafra? But you don't call it hate then?

Why are you always angry and bitter when the past is also brought up by others?

Why are you so scared of the "Yoruba Ronu" speech that highlighted your greed for power and domination, such that it has deprived you of sleep over the past few days?

Ogundipe already had a more senior role in the Supreme HQ behind Ironsi, so it was OK for Fajuyi to take the role of Western Military Governor.

So why were the other more senior officers (Both Igbo and non-Igbos) skipped in the appointment for Eastern military governor?

And why was Katsina Hassan chosen as the Northern governor ahead of his superiors like Gowon?