₦airaland Forum

Grayoso:
Little kid, start by demanding all your fellow Igbos leave the SW asap and take everything they have with them including their children.

Real men don't brag. Living in the SW and raising generations in Yoruba States who speak Yoruba better than their own native Igbo tongue is proof "we want nothing to do with you" ba? You Igbos just don't appreciate how much of a bizarre joke you appear to others.

Grayoso:
Lol. Igbos come carry una mad pikin abeg. The boy dey foam for mouth.

Do you know the meaning of vassal you nincompoop? Citizens of a nation fighting together to repel treasonous elements qualify to be called vassals how exactly? Olodo Igbos always twisting facts and reality to write their own narrative of fraud and deceit.

The no Victor no vanquished quip is politically correct talk for doofuses like you. All Nigerians who fought against the illegal Biafran forces were the Victor and all Igbos who fought for Biafra and lost are the vanquished, even till today, regardless of any spin you and others want to put on it to make yourselves feel better about your churlish misadventure.

Igbos lost the war and are the vanquished folks other Nigerians patronised with kind words to spare you lot collective shame after your treasonous act of moving against the Nigerian constitution

Your talk shows you appear keen to relive your Biafra civil war idiocy today more devastatingly. Go ahead. Na una funeral. This time there will be a Victor and a vanquished with very dire consequences for the loser in this modern age of unforgiving hearts and souls.

omonnakoda:
You were defeated and SURRENDERED.

You don't have to accept

You are conquered
The time for talk ended a long time ago


Roll the Biafra dice again

omonnakoda:
Who are you kidding did you happily share a country with Yoruba before 1967?
You tell yourselves lies all the time
You are in a box.
A 5% box of irrelevance.

When you are ready declare another Biafra and see what happens

What makes you think Yoruba want good relationships
We want good behaviour from you.
Misbehave and you will be chastised severely
You talk as if you can do anything to Yoruba

Your words are IMPOTENT RANTING

Declare Biafra if them born una well

MetaPhysical:
NYM had been in existence before Zik came to Lagos and later joined.

NYM was originally Lagos Youth Movement, LYM.

See attached article. 1934 Zik was just finishing school in US and returned to Africa. He came to Lagos in 1936.....two years after the date referenced in the article.



The whole event of NYM disintegration is around a vacancy in the council seat. Kofo Abayomi held the seat but he got a Rhodes Scholarship to study in UK and vacated the seat. New election was needed. This is what brought about the contest between Ikoli and Akinsanya. There were deep disagreements in the NYM party.

Akinsanya was not Zik's candidate. Akinsanya left NYM to run as a Independent candidate. Zik also ran as independent candidate.

Ikoli won, Akinsanya came second, beating Zik.


Stop rewriting and fabricating new additions.

Zik was not the owner of NYM or NCNC. He was not even a cofounder of any party in Lagos.

Mraphel:
Go to any reliable source..non will deny the founder of NCNC..Herbert Maculey.

He became the president of the party later ZIK joined with other Yorubas.

ZIK was seen like a Yoruba and was not discriminated upon. All the support gave way for him.

He finished his political career when he align himself with the North.

googi:
Who was the leader of NYM?



Look I have come to love and accept my Igbo brothers. It is too late to expect them to change. Their goal is to dominate Yoruba on Yoruba land. It is an impossible task. You cannot swallow anything twice your size unless you want to burst.

I have friends across Africa and I love them. BIAFRA would be part of West Africa and even closer.

Let BIAFRA be. The WEST would be relieved of all the animosity, hate and bickering on our land.

Mraphel:
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Where's ur source of this wrong information?

Sunshineg5:
So what language do they speak amongst the Ilaje in Warri south

FYI, none of the oil producing communities in Delta state is igboid or Anioma communities.

https://punchng.com/ilaje-communities-seek-inclusion-in-fg-dredging-of-escravos-warri-river/

Ok, going with the election results you posted. its clear that GEJ got over 50% of the votes casted in the southwest with the exception of Osun state. So how how can you call a percentage of over 50% minimal?

It's a well known fact that the Yorubas dont give total support to any candidate or party in any given election since 1999. even Buhari with a Yoruba vice couldn't get more than 70% of Yoruba votes in the last election. PDP HAD MORE VOTES FROM THE SOUTHWEST THAN SOUTHEAST IN THE LAST ELECTION this was despite the fact that they had no stake in PDP. So it was not out of spite or hatred for GEJ that made him not to get close to 100% of the Yoruba votes, it's just in our nature to be liberal and to understand that there is no such thing as 100% right or wrong hence our propensity to stay in the middle.

As for Zik betrayer of the Yorubas, you would need to have an Understanding of the history of NCNC,that is, the founding members, the mission and vision of the party,to truly understand how Zik hijacked the party and made it Igbo centric.

You contradicted yourself again my friend by accusing the Lagos-Ibadan press of engaging in propaganda while you're busy with a propaganda of your own. why don't you ask yourself why Azikiwe wanted to become the premier of the west, and while at it you might also want to justify your reasons for saying Awolowo engaged in tribal politics.

Because factually speaking, Zik started tribal politics in Nigeria. first by turning a pan African political party which was founded and funded by the Yorubas at the initial stage to a Igbo centric party. now before you start with the rhetorics of NCNC being a Igbo party, it will intrest you to know that Zik was the only non Yoruba person among the founding members of the party. so if you don't know this fact then I'm not sure I need to go further in trying to explain how Zik screwed us over. But if you know this fact, indicate it and we can further convers on the issue

Mraphel:
Who founded NCNC?

lexyking:
First you accused someone of twisting facts, then you went straight ahead and did same. normally, I prefer to just follow this kind of topic without commenting. but you my friend, made some hilarious remarks and I couldn't just laugh it off without at least trying to help you make sense of it.

As for your questioning of how Zik betrayed the Yorubas, it's kinda going to be hard explaining that to you. not because I dont have the facts to buttress my point, it's just that I don't see any sense in discussing what what happened in the 60s/70s with someone who is already twisting the events that happened as recent as 2011.

How can you say that Yorubas contributions to the emergence of GEJ was minimal at best, if you do the analysis of the votes that he got from every region, you'd see how clearly the total number of votes that he got from the southwest was more than that of the south east. so how can you now in good conscience try to distort this fact?

Mraphel:
You're 100% wrong in your analysis

Nnamdi azikiwe contested under parties founded by Yoruba. Can't u do ur research?
Yoruba people made him. He can speak the Yoruba language fluently

diplomat058:
That Biafra had provinces even reinforced the thoughts of Igbo domination on the part of these minorities. Provinces are mostly applicable in a unitary setting, not conventional to a federal structure. And you know that political powers, command structures and resource control are centralized in a unitary state. Things even looked better in Nigeria that has resource control as an exclusive legislative item, but gives 13% derivation to states.

diplomat058:
Letting a fraudulent election result in a fraudulent government isn't nationalism. That is where we are here today. And your prediction that AG members would slowly retort to NNA is not founded, just a mere suspicion to justify Zik. Zik actually betrayed by chickening out.

FYI, the questionable legitimacy of the resultant cabinet was one of the reasons that the barrack boys used to justify their incursion into politics in 1966. So, agreeing that black is white, for mutual benefits, isn't always the way to go by

Thank God you said today. As at 1970 it was fair game and it would have been stupid of them to allow their enemy access to anything when they had the power to prevent it. So anything about starvation and blockage is just pure emotional blackmail.

Actually, most Yoruba people don't care about your Biafra, but the tactics employed by Igbo people (aka IPOB) is what we are reacting to. Many of us have family members in the SE, and the last thing we want to read in the news is that some hate filled persons terminated their life. Many of us don't want another war so we are proactively cautioning you now.

If truly the SE wants your Biafra why has your politicians not come out publicly to support it? And if they are uninterested because of their corruption, what stops you from registering a political party and push your agenda through it? This way you even stand the chance of claiming the whole of SS for yourselves, because their acceptance of this political party would mean they are very interested in your Biafra. With your new platform you hold whatever referendum you wish since you are certain the people are behind you.

diplomat058:
Your response shows that ethnicity was the basis of Zik's betrayal of the UPGA alliance. Why did he have to see things from the angle of 'Yorubas in NNDP are benefiting, so Igbos shouldn't be left out'? The 1964 election was adjudged as the most useless and incredible elections ever, but Zik just had to swallow that? I believe if he had stayed true to the planned course and refuse to exercise the constitutional function of calling on the NNA to form government, Balewa and his NPC 'boss', Ahmadu would have been forced to cancel the fraudulent elections and hold fresh ones. Tough decision, it would be, but it would affirmed, once and for all, Zik's self acclaimed status of a 'selfless nationalist'. There are always reasons for betraying or reneging on contractual terms, but the ability to stay true to obligations, in defiance of circumstantial impediments, defines faithfulness and loyalty. Sadly, the Ziks didn't have these.

The forecasts of war, in the event of UPGA not backing down may be preposterous. How would the war take shape with an overwhelming majority of the Yoruba who were pro-Awolowo in favour of Zik and his NCNC?

diplomat058:
I believe the link is not credible enough si serve as an objective reference. Lemme make a concession here. Although we are prone to believe that the majority of the Eastern minorities may have voted for Biafra cos they were also victims of the northern programs, we shouldn't undermine the strategic potency of the separate creation of the Old Rivers and Cross River states, with the Igbo sandwiched in East Central State. This gave moral boost to these minorities and they realized that they no longer had to leave under the Igbo domination, as was in the defunct Eastern region. The new petrodollar wealth discovered in mouth-gaping volume is also another factor which could have poised the minorities to seek a separate identity.

Mraphel:
Please don't disgrace my Igbo tribe on social medias. You village people needs to travel out of your enclaves to see the fact.
Yoruba supported Nnamdi Azikwe ( including Awolowo.)

Nnamdi azikiwe contested twice in two different parties founded by the Yorubas. He enjoyed the western support more to be victorious over the Northern interest. He betrayed the west later.

Obasanjo became president he was a Yoruba


When the easterners voted Shagari a nonentity against Awolowo..Yoruba supported Buhari to take over as the military head of state. Buhari took over power because dump shagari was embarrassing the Hausa/Fulanis (he was a poor leader)

Abiola enjoyed the support of the Yoeubas to win the election.

Earnest Shonekan was from west

Again Obasanjo came in again as Democratic leader..product of the west.

Yara'dua was supported by the west

Again Jonathan from south south became president by virtue of the SW votes before we turned him against the S.west.

Buhari is a product of western support.


On the other hand..

Igbo brought and supported

Babangida

Abacha

Sheu shagari to power


If Igbo doesn't vote for Yoruba, the South west can still win an election.

If the Northern wins against Yoruba..they will serve more Yoruba's interest because they know what The Yorubas are made of.

Hausa are not ready to merge with Igbo for now because is going to be death trap for them.
I see Yoruba winning 2023 without the SE support

GreatChizzy:
There is absolutely nothing of interest in Anioma that would warrant an annexing by the Niger Deltans.

llakes4real:
Why do you keep playing victim for this? It was a war and you don't expect your enemy to be feeding you! You created your own money but it never crossed your mind that you should source for food for your people? Should the Nigeria army also provide you weapons to kill them too? And when you saw that people were dying of starvation, why didn't you surrender? Is that also the fault of the victors? Please get real and stop blaming others for your deficiencies!

Yorubas and other Nigerians did what they felt was best for them. Even the minorities "betrayed" you because it was in their best interest to do so! Why do you blame only Yoruba people for your lose?

diplomat058:
Lol. Manipulating facts is not the way to go by. First of all, your attempt to allege betrayal was already preempted by my earlier post. There was already a division in the West. Jailed Awo and his AG, Akintola and his NNDP. The former allied with NCNC in UPGA and the later allied with NPC in NNA. If there is any betrayal here, its the actions of Zik and NCNC who, after the 1964 election, left the UPGA alliance to form a coalition government with NNA and made sure that no single AG member made it to the Federal cabinet. That time, the AG were on with the resistance only to hear that Zik had capitulated. The AG, however, fought on with the UPGA alliance in the western region election of 1965 against the NNDP which was a microcosm of NNA. Unfortunately, the Federal Coalition, of which Zik was part, ran the whole thing aground, in favour of Akintola and his NNDP. Why didn't Zik stay true to the alliance? Talk about betrayal and selfishness, once again.

Hilariously, Many of those who conspired against Awo died before he came back from prison.

diplomat058:
Lol. You said British intelligence, and came up with some American reports. British Media would report the British intelligence, more credibly, I suppose

diplomat058:
Lol. You accuse of subjective analysis, yet your post reeks of bias.

When the causes of an event are to be analysed, you don't just hear about the immediate ones. As a matter of fact, the remote causes are a better eye opener into the eruptions. What were the remote causes? Well, these are established facts, indicting the January coup executors and Ironsi for remotely causing the war. And then later, the Northern pogroms, Gowon-Ojukwu rivalry and other implicit factors played their part. You wanting to absolve Ironsi of his ill-informed wrongdoings keep up stuck in here.

And I talk about Eastern minority soldiers in their hundreds and you compare them them to just one Biafran Yoruba who was a victim of circumstances. This is laughable, to say the least.

You talk about the Feds intercepting a British military Intel, do you have veritable non nigerian links for this? This was one of Ojukwu propaganda during the war, but you categorized them as your 'facts' and then turn around to accuse me of indicting Ironsi on fallacious grounds.

Lol

LukasPodolski:
Boy you see, they used influential cities and Names to Garner viewers.

Berlin,Tokyo,Oslo, Denver, Nairobi,Rio, PA Awolowo's note.

Were you expecting them to use dullard Azikiwe, coward Ojukwu, murderer Nzeogwu?

The greatest Robbery in Africa is collective looting of over $20B by Allison Madueke, Jonathan and Okonjo iweala. Or.

Laundering of billions of NDDC funds to start Air peace, them no born Allen Onyema to enter United States.... Nah jail straight.

As for that overrated thief Iweala, her days are numbered.

diplomat058:
Lol. You made Zik into a saint.

First, to correct you, Awo never collaborated with NPC which was controlled by Ahmadu Bello. In fact, since the 1959 election, he prominently favoured a southern alliance in conjunction with Northern minorities, then called pagan provinces, to root out the NPC from being dominant in the Parliament. He was the big picture. Sadly, ambitious Zik was not that patient, and when the NPC couldn't get a majority in 1959, Zik opted to form a Coalition Federal government with the Fulanis. If he refused, a second ballot would have been held, and in the absence of an absolute majority the second time, a simple majority would be used. That way, Awo hopes that the NCNC and the AG would combine seats, at the federal house of rep in Lagos, to secure the simple majority. That was the big picture.

Also, the NPC was complicit in the western crises. Awo wanted to partner with Zik's NCNC but Zik was still a member of the coalition government. Akintola, on the other hand, played the NPC card. After Awo was jailed and the UPGA (the alliance of NCNC and AG) lost out in the federal elections of 1964, Zik betrayed the resistance that followed by forming a second coalition government with the NNA (the alliance of the NPC and the new Akintola's NNDP). In the federal cabinet that emerged, no single AG member was in there. Talk about betrayal and selfishness once again.

And about Jonathan, in fact, ousting him was really a testament of our political sophistication as a people. I was really happy cos the marginalization was deep and suffocating. And you know it. He, himself, admitted it.

LukasPodolski:
These fools will never blame Azikiwe, Ironsi, the famous coward Ojukwu Kaduna Nzeogwu for their current predicament.

Rather, they will blame;

The greatest Awolowo for not allowing one dull man to take over the Western region.

Why would a visionary leader leave his own people?

That man sef dull for 500naira note.

Our very own Awolowo was featured in 2019 hottest series, money heist.

You are being evasive.

What gave you the impression that it would be removed? was the skeletal federalism that we now practiced removed from the 1979 constitution? Ironsi abolished resource control and centralized command structure, was that not the greatest disservice to our federalism? The subsequent military dictatorships only followed his footsteps, and when Ojukwu failed to remit the federal revenues in the Eastern region, that was one of the causes of the war.

Awo vehemently fought for the inclusion of a secession clause which Zik and Bello rejected. I believe he was not opposed to secession during the civil war, as he even threatened Gowon that Yorubas would leave too. The major position of the Federal council, which Awo was part of, was that the secession was being foisted on the Igbo people and the oil rich Eastern minorities by Ojukwu, for whatever reasons. So, technically, you can not even indict Awo on the suppression of secession during the war.

After all, many Eastern Minority Soldiers also fought on the federal side and this gave credence to the federal narrative that the Eastern Consensus was a well packaged hoax

LukasPodolski:
We can't disregard history and embrace narrative from IPOB bureau of statistics.

Sunnewspaper,vanguard.. this two has been barred from their own backyard.

I'm sorry.

diplomat058:
Wow! I thought we were conversing, but I was startled by your emotional outbursts.

Yorubas do NOT hate anyone. We only look out for ourselves and when you are in the way, we run you over. At some points, it was the Jihad Alimist Fulanis and their imperialist ambitions defeated, then we had to contend with the British colonialists, pretentious usurpers like Zik, internal saboteurs in the then Western Region, the military incursionists into politics, Biafra at Ore (A Yoruba territory) leading to a decisive defeat, Babangida and June 12 leading him to step aside, Abacha and Abiola, Yoruba Presidency in 1999, GEJ's scheming out of Yorubas despite the 2011 support leading to the endorsement of Buhari's presidency, and now restructuring for some, 2023 or secession for others.

It has always been a strategy and it will always be. And the western crises started when the NPC/NCNC Federal Coalition jailed Awolowo, and Zik, Balewa and Ahmadu Bello tried to turn the West to their vassal region in 1962, using Akintola. Well, I don't want to take sides, to avoid being deemed partisan. They disorganized the region and made way for the Midwest to leave in 1963.