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You might say the bulk were lade "late" as in like 1700s to late 1800s, but that does not mean there were no early Yoruba slaves. Look at Haiti for example that had an early slave revolution and hence had the input of newcomer slaves cut short early due to independent status, yet there is still Yoruba influence there.

Are there no Igbo, Kongo, etc influences all over the Americas as well?

The late coming of Yorubas in bulk, at a point the slave masters had relaxed their anti African language, religion and culture stance, gave the Yorubas in Brazil and other parts, upper hand.

Also, the reason you gave earlier is NOT the reason Yoruba culture survives in the Americas. Why did Fon and Yoruba culture survive in the USA , when they were there under the same conditions as those you claim their cultures were totally removed from them?
That other thread you posted its link here is just a wild generalization.

Yoruba culture didn't survive in the USA, anymore than other African cultures.

Look at Haiti for example that had an early slave revolution and hence had the input of newcomer slaves cut short early due to independent status, yet there is still Yoruba influence there.

This too had already been discussed in the thread I posted its link.

Groups who didn't even have anything to do with Yoruba in Americas, all decided to adopt the traditional religions of newly incoming Yoruba people, having lost their own heritage earlier, as a means to connect back to mother Africa.

Takeproft:
You're an idiot that never makes no sense. Saying Yorubas were enslaved later than the Igbo doesn't make it a fact. Can you tell me when shipment of Yoruba slaves started, that of the Igbos were abolished? You don't look for stupid excuse for your failure and play down very sensible excuse for another's. Must you pursue your campaign with lies?

It's a historical fact that the bulk of Yoruba slaves arrived the Americas much later than the Igbos, Kongo, Akans and other Africa groups.

This is a historical fact.

By the way, Mod, isn't this OP violating NL rule, with all those expletives he channeled on my person?

Please, do the needful, or I would be forced to respond to him in kind.

ehikwe22:
You guys don't disappoint. Late arrivals? How? What's the timeline of the Yoruba slave trades and the bight of biafra? Slavery started in yorubaland from 14th century. When did slave trade start in Igboland? As usual, you will delusionally concoct some irrelevant excuses and play down any scenario for Ika. You are the one drowning. You exhibted all my predicted scenarios. I know you guys too well.

You are a drowning man, it's depressing reading your posts.

On the Yorubas being the late arrivals to the Americas, in sufficient amount to leave cultural imprints more than the Kongo, Efiks, Igbos, Akans, etc, whose period of shipment to the Americas in large numbers coincided with period of cultural suppression by the slave masters, you can read about it here:https://www.nairaland.com/1234180/why-did-yoruba-culture-survive#up


Meanwhile, it's quite pathetic that you are using Igbos in Americas, ( who were forcefully separated from Igbo land and Igbo people, by a large Atlantic Ocean for centuries, and consequently forced by their enslavers to drop their languages, under the threat of torture and death) , to compare to Ikas, who remain neighbors to Binis, separated by only small abudu hills, who retained relationship with imperial Bini all-time in history and who at no point were colonized by Ndiigbo.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Blue3k:
Lol what is this clown rambling about. You inept lowlives don't have first clue about dry ports. How do dry ports ruin SW economy? Lol don't bother answering you'll only futher prove how mentally challenged you are.

Dry are creating jobs in SW. They do offer one way to decongest port. Port congestion doesn't help anyone and you don't lose benefit from being by the sea. The reason both you guys are angry is that you're both lane conspiracy theorist.

You are the clown, impersonating Akwa Ibom people on this forum, when it's obvious where your allegiance lie.

This is not about what I think about the day ports, this is about what the Yoruba poster (Truthcat) thinks.

Rather than address his concerns, you decided to label him IPOB and Igbo, and then together with your fellow Northerner (rolling) who is also masquerading as a Yoruba man, you both to recreate the Igbo vs Yoruba e-war, as a diversion to the questions and concerns of Truthcat over the dry ports proliferation.

You have no shame at all.

Cooly100:
I know some people started this madness but you must not fall for them and carry it upon yourself...Your moniker ONEEAST even says it all. Why do you want to divide yourself?

Chino doesn't care about any part of the East other than Anambra.
After Anambra, the only other place dear to him is PH.

Don't let his moniker fool you.
Chino and Abagworo are exactly divisive forces in Igboland.

We would do well to avoid them by all means.

oneeast:
There's nothing remotely close to beauty in Enugu township when we have Abakpa, Uwani, Asata, Ogui, Coal camp, etc which constitute 97% of Enugu township. Whereas the only area we are shown as Enugu township is just the 3% which is just the areas surrounding the government house. Let some people stop fooling themselves here.

I want to see development across Enugu asa state. From Ugwuaji to Emene to Nkanu to Akpugo to Nkwo to Udi to Nike to Oji River etc. Let us start seeing real development for once in this oldest state in the SE/SS.

I want to see development that will cause banks start springing up at Nkanu, Aninri, Achi, Inyi, Ugbo Odogwu, etc

Poin of correction: Enugu township is not the capital of the SE, rather it is the capital of Enugu state.






http://article.sapub.org/10.5923.j.env.20130302.02.html

Chino , we have heard you.

Can you now leave the thread in peace for us.

You can go elsewhere and continue your legendary brawl with Abagworo.

Thanks.

This Blue3k had already lost the plot.

A Yoruba man is angry that the idea of proliferation of dry ports would decongest the Lagos port, slow down business activities there, resulting in job loss and it's attendant multiplier effect on the entire SW economy.
The Yoruba man rightly feels that Yorubaland should enjoy the economic benefits of being the sea gate way of Nigeria and that it is unfair for such advantage to be taken away from them, under flimsy excuses of dry ports.

But the Northerner masquerading as Akwa ibomite and his fellow northerner( rolling) masquerading as Yoruba , can only see Igbo and IPOB and are eager to turn the thread to an Igbo vs Yoruba mud slinging fight, so as to take the Yoruba man mind away from the issue at hand.

Quite hilarious.

Ontisha was built with 0 consideration for health or environment in mind. Today it's the dirtiest city in the world and the people there act like pained animals.

Owerri is moving in a decent direction and takes beauty into consideration. Enugu too. Do you know why people in Aba and Onitsha act one way while people in Enugu and Owerri act another?

You know Chino had been itching to destroy this wonderful thread, and you are inviting him in, with careless posts such as the above
Let's keep this thread chino free.

This is a beautiful thread.

We can appreciate the beauty of Enugu, the beautiful capital of Alaigbo, without having to denigrate other Igbo towns, cities or states.

aamstih:
Is the guy with the trending commentary that goes; ' Francessco does not know where to go, iniesta does not know where to look'
?

I thought same too, but I just listened to his own commentary, and dissapointed it wasn't him.

Congrats to him sha.

Why in hell did I enter this conversation ?
I should have known you were a convinced and brainwashed igbocentric person.
I don't do speculations and pretend they are facts. Instead I use historical documents to prove my points.
I urge you to do the same rather than living upon assumptions and fake logics.

Benin Kingdom:

http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

Irrelevant Maps.

I still don't understand why you nigerians are so fund of talking illogically.
It is a fact that the Ika people are Edo, the language they speak is irrelevent.
Enough said, go and build your biafra in cameroon with your bantu brothers.

Ika people are not, and have never been addressed as Edo.

The Caucasians after studying them, labelled them together with Enu-ani and Ukwuani as Western Igbos.

The language they speak is relevant, as it's their indigenous language, and rightly tells us whom they are, despite centuries of Edo imperialism and relationship with them.

You need to go finish your Oduduwa thing with your Yoruba brothers.

Please don't quote me again, I have talked to enough idiots for this life time already.
By the way, here is a question to everybody whom this concerns, guys don't quote me, just answer: what is the definition of an igbo ?
Don't tell me that igbos are a "tribe" or an "ethnicity" indeed there is no central "igbo leader".

You are not sounding reasonable.

What is the definition of Edo?

Igbo is an ethnic group, an advanced set of people that evolved past the crude monarchical systems of government, to embrace republic and democratic systems of government, long before the Caucasians came. Although some Igbo groups practiced monarchical systems.

There need not be a central Igbo leader.

To the best of my knowledge, igbo is a bunch of unrelated people who just happen to speak languages which are supposedly close to one another. Some people who speak that language (in the south-east) are actually bantu, that is their ethnicity.

Well, you are a man of limited knowledge, if not, you would know that all Igbo speaking groups are connected community by community to each other.

The Ika are connected to the Enu-ani, the Enu ani are connected to Ogbaru and Idemili, and the link continues, leading to dialectical variations until you reach Isobo, the easternmost wing of Igboland, in Obubra LGA of Cross River State.
You are not really knowledgeable.

There is nothing like Bantu in Igboland.

Ofcourse some have gone and made up myths of igbo being jewish or being egyptians or being norwegians. Nope, igbo is just a language, that is all, the nigerian bantu are trying to claim everybody who speak a certain group of languages, but that is a fraud. Bantu-biafrans, you can unite with your fellow bantu in cameroon and stop confusing the masses.

Now, you are totally not making sense above, I hope you know that.

Most people learn languages to communicate with those against whom they fight or with whom they trade.
Forgive the ika people, they didn't know that duches like you would ever exist.

Irrational argument.
People learn languages to communicate with neighbors, for example, in Ikwuano parts of Abia, many of the villages at the boundary of Akwa Ibom, all speak Ibibio as second language, to ease communication with the Ibibios, their Ibibio neighbors learn Igbo as well, to ease communication and inter trading and marital activities.
Go to Obolo Afor side of Enugu , the people are bilingual in both Idoma and Igbo, to ease communication with their Idoma neighbors.

People learn each other languages for ease of communication, they don't throw away their language to start speaking the language of their neighbors, no body does that.
Ika neighbors are Edos, and not SE.

My dad learn't haussa when he was in the army.
The Oba of Benin Kingdom and chiefs of Benin Kingdom used to speak many languages including portuguese, english and many african languages.
But the illiteracy in nigeria lead some fools to say that "yoruba is the lingua franca in the Edo court".

Again you are not making sense.
We are talking about a people here, and you are talking about your father.
When your father learnt Hausa, did he now throw away Edo(Bini) language or did he not add Hausa to the list of languages he could speak?

Exactly my point, the language of the ruling elite of a community might change,when faced with an invading force, for example, the language of the government of Nigeria remain English (Language of our invaders, the British), but the indigenous languages of the Nigerian commoners would always remain with them, and ultimately, the invading language would become only but a second language, and not become a native language.

Igbos never invaded Ikaland, so, at no point did we introduce Igbo language as a colonial language to them, secondly, even if in a hypothetical world, we assume Ndiigbo invaded and ruled Ika, the worst that would happen is that the original Edoid( hypothetically assuming Ika spoke an Edo language originally, even though we know they didn't, in reality) language of Ika would remain, and be only stained by few Igbo words, just as the English language had affected our native languages and not replaced them.

Right now we are all speaking english yet the british are not trying to claim us as british, I speak french, that doesn't make me french, it is just what I had to learn to communicate with french people.
Languages are for communication, not for "blood test".

We are not all speaking English, we only speak English as a second language, we all have our own indigenous languages, and we all know English to be the language of our colonizers, the British.
Ika don't speak an Igboid language as a second language, it's an indigenous language to them, neither was Ika land at any point colonized by Ndiigbo, instead they were colonized by Edos.

Your argument is therefore invalid, irrelevant and redundant. Considering how long Ika was under Edo dominion and how close geographically Ika is to Edo speaking tribes, it's a testament to the antiquity and vigour of the original Igbo language of ancient Ika people , that it still retained intelligibility with the Igbo languages and dialects spoken in far away SE despite corruption and stains by and with Edoid words, intonations and manners of speech.

Achuzia, forever in our hearts.

We love you, Ikemba Ababa.

ehikwe22:
straight line thinkers as usual. Igbo's have a high numbers of slaves in the Americas but Yoruba language and culture managed to survive in majority of the Americas. I know you will have one silly excuse for this but dismiss any excuse for Ika and EDO language. And how dumb you are, you'll not see any relationship between the two instances.

Are you OK at all?

Yorubas in America were late arrivals there.
They came there at a time the slave masters were no longer strict on stripping the slaves off there tribal identities, including language.
Many blacks in Americas who lost their African languages and culture, due to the initial strict detribalization policy of the slave masters, now looked to connect back to Africa by adopting the African culture of the newly arrived Yorubas who were fresh from Africa.

The problem with you Ika, Ikwerre, and other confused Igbo but non Igbo groups out there, is that you all are like a drowning man, you would hold unto any thing, no matter how weak it is, just to maintain your irrational and delusional inferiority complex induced, identity crisis stories.


The Ika were not separated by the Atlantic from Biniland, like the Igbo slaves in Americas were from Igboland, the Ikas were at no point forced by an invading or colonial Igbo authority to change their Bini language to Igbo, like the Igbo slaves were forcefully deigbonized by the slave masters, who feared that the Slaves if allowed to retain their tribal languages, identities and solidarity, might unite and revolt against them.
On the contrary, Bini/Edoland is completely contagious with Ikaland, no sea or Great river separates Bini from Ikaland, Bini were an imperial force who continually maintained close relationship with Ika.

There is no rational way of explaining away, how a Bini loving Ika people, dumped Bini language, for Igbo language, a language of a people they don't revel or want to be part of.

Until the day you drop this current Igboid language you speak, and choose an Edoid one, like Oza nogogo people do, the joke would always be on you, and we will always be here to press it home.

horsepower101:
I personally don't care for Niger deltans. Only Igbo people forcefully carved with you guys.

Anytime we offer a helping hand to Niger deltans, they accuse us of looking to steal their oil or grabbing their land.

At this point in my adult life, I have decided to only watch out for Igbo interest. The non-Igbo Niger deltans should just carry their wahala and go peacefully.

Gbam!

ehikwe22:
Any sensible human being claiming to be knowledgeable about Ika should know this. And the places with very high mixture of EDO and Igbo is the Aniocha Oshimili axis. The very high number of Igbo's there influenced the Ika's. And Isele Uku is not an Ika land.

Trash as usual.

The high number of Igbos in Nsukka is yet to convert Igala neighbors to Igbo speaking.
The high number of Igbos in Ndoki is yet to convert Eleme and Tai Ogoni people to Igbo speaking.
But somehow, the Igbos in Enu ani communities influenced Bini people in Ika, who are a kilometer away from Bini and who are in love with Bini culture, ancestry and ways, into dumping their Bini language for Igbo language.

Anakogheli.

Very helpful, thanks.

Abagworo:
I think FG deserves some credit here.

For doing what exactly?

Lol @ endless slum.
Guy, you bad o!

Abagworo:
I love competition between Southeast and Southwest and wish same for all of Nigeria to drive development. As long as derogatory words or doctored photos are not used it's okay by me. I love Igboland, Yorubaland, Ijawland, Efikland, Hausaland and all our over 300 ethnic lands.

There is no love found or lost between Ndiigbo and Yorubas.
I now understand why Chino is always on your case.
Your character is not a good and upright One.

blazhykowskyi:
Who are the we? When we talk of igbo presidency we are not talking about nonentities like you. Can anybody in your family become a councillor let alone a president?

So there are capable igbos who have the ambition of becoming president not riff raffs like you.

So speak for yourself.

Stop talking nonsense.
Other than failed Igbo politicians, their lackeys, cronies, family members, well wishers, sycophants, etc.

No well breastfed Igbo common give a damn about Nigerian presidency.

Those few Igbo political jobbers and people like you can go and drench yourselves in mud fighting for presidency of a failed third world entity, don't get the rest of us involved, we want no part of it.

Nigerian presidency never stopped the North from being the least educationally developed part of the country, GEJ presidency did nothing for Niger delta, OBJ presidency had not changed the third world status of SW, Nigerian presidency wouldn't do anything for Ndiigbo, other than provide a platform for few Igbo political jobbers to fill in their pockets, spread crumbs to their cronies and commit things that others before them did, but that the whole Igbophobic Nigerians would use to demonize and victimize the innocent Igbo commoners.

Keep your Presidency.

So, who then were the people shouting GEJ till 2019 all over throughout 2014? Fulanis?
Majority of Igbos never talked about Biafra during GEJ's rule. It was after then that 'Biafra or death' chanting took over Igbo land.

Igbos always remained pro Biafra.
It was during GEJ era that a Biafran group attempted to hijack radio Nigeria Enugu, to broadcast about Biafra, and were arrested.
IPOB campaigned strongly against GEJ, telling Igbos to sit at home on election day, as NK described GEJ as a weak leader who was replaying Ironsi scripts with the North, and was bound to lose. That IPOB RB messages contributed to voters low turnout in the SE during 2015 elections.

Some of us were also secretly supporting GEJ, with hope that he would enable us gain the leverages that would aid our future push for secession from Nigeria.
Things like constitutional review that would make the Nigerian Union less strong , International airport , seaports , etc , were expected in return for his support.

The only thing I somehow remain thankful to Gowon for doing is the creation of Benue-Plateau state and other minority states which broke the majority groups hegemony over minorities in Nigeria.
Arewa hold over the middlebelt was entirely broken, not until your so called 'middlebelter' Babangida brought back the geo-political zones and brought back the middlebelt under the north as North-central.

Besides, If Ojukwu had not declared independence, Gowon would not have created any states and after power would be handed over back to civilian rule, we would have gone back to our regions.
Hope you can see how Igbos are the pioneer cause of all of Nigeria's problems?
First Nzeogwu, 2nd Ironsi, 3rd Ojukwu.

This is the insincerity I speak of.

In one breathe, you claim state creation was bad, and you blamed not the one who created them, ie Gowon, the same one who refused to hand over power to civilians and return the political structures back to status quo, instead you blame Ironsi, Nzeogwu and Ojukwu for Gowon actions.

Then secondly, you claim to be happy with Gowon creation of states, and in this case, you accord the credit of state creation, which you now presented as good thing, to Gowon who created them, and not to Ironsi, Nzeogwu and Ojukwu, as you had earlier done.

You had created a scenario, where everything you perceive bad about Nigeria must be credited to Ndiigbo, while those you perceive to be good must be credited to non Igbos, and you expect Igbos to allow this your craft stand, as any attempt by them to debunk them is quickly termed hate messages and victim card playing.

Teacher don't teach me nonsense. Most Itsekiris & Edo north people (Akoko edo axis) were against creation of the midwest region. They thought they had more in common under yoruba leadership than under Benin leadership and they voted against it, but the Aniomas, Urhobos, Binis et al who are majority supported and won.

Are you for real? Please!

More than 90% of Itsekiri people voted to leave the Western region.
Look at the Warri (Itsekiri votes) in the referendum result attached below

Afemai represents Akoko Edo, Etsako and Owan, and as you can see, more than 97% of them voted to leave the Western region.

It would appear you had been drinking too much from the stables of Yoruba media propaganda.
https://www.dawodu.com/omoigui22.htm

If only you knew what evil plans the British had for northern minorities ehn, you will not utter trash with your mouth. All in the bid for administrative convenience, the British wanted to destroy the identity and existence of northern minorities. If not for our fighting back, you Igbos would have been more doomed and utterly voiceless in Nigeria today. Cos Hausa fulanis would have directly controlled more than half of Nigeria and share direct Neighborhood with you people. Then let's see if you Igbos who were conquered and ruled by Igalas in Nsukka and ruled by Benins in Anioma would have been able to defeat the Hausa fulanis who conquered parts of Jukun who conquered Igalas who ruled your own people in Nsukka.
Our people were able to wage the caliphate for almost a century.

That aside, during colonial rule, the British classified the entire Plateau under Bauchi emirate for instance, but our people rejected and broke out. In some areas, our fathers had to kill every fulani ruler sent to rule our areas, that was when it dawned on the British that some of us could never be under emirates and we were granted our own chiefdoms, yet, some were still dubiously manipulated under emirates.

The British denied the propagation of our native languages and radically promoted Hausa language as a lingua franca in our areas, infact, in some places like Southern Kaduna, it was so bad that almost all the towns were named in Hausa language, the indigenous names were destroyed.

Infact, if I start to list all the havocs that the British did to our people just for the sake of administrative convenience together with the north ehn, the entire nairaland would not be enough for me.
The fact that most of us do not cry of victimization and hatred from everyone always with victim mentality like you Igbos do, doesn't mean that we are not doing anything about it.

Most of Southern Kaduna for instance was under Emirate rule from Zaria not until 1992 and 2001, when they all broke up from Zaria rule with series of crisis. Today, they all have their own chiefdoms and rule themselves. Did you Igbos help them achieve that? No, they got it by themselves.

And I have a question for your blockhead. If we middlebelters have been enjoying one arewa since, why have we always been having fights with Hausa fulanis since before independence?

Go and check about the 1956 crisis in old Bauchi province. That was when it started.

This is your Own Cup of tea. The Igbo man cares not how you have been having it rough with your Arewa overlords, that's your bedroom matter to sort out, after all, you had no issue ganging up with your masters to March into Biafra to unleash death on us.

We would one way or the other, find a way to severe any connection with you and your Arewa overlords. You both can thereafter go sort ourselves out.

Besides, if you reason well, you would have known that a single mistake of a minute is enough to perish an entire generation and country. And some mistakes are just too costly and irreversible. You do not even need a whole day to make a mistake as a human that would destroy your life
Besides, If Ojukwu had not declared independence, Gowon would not have created any states and after power would be handed over back to civilian rule, we would have gone back to our regions.
Hope you can see how Igbos are the pioneer cause of all of Nigeria's problems?
First Nzeogwu, 2nd Ironsi, 3rd Ojukwu.

This again is why Nigeria would forever remain backward.

Why shouldn't Ojukwu have declared independence from a people who kept on massacring his people?

Gowon didn't create the abominations he called states out of zeal to create functional entities, but as a means to divide the East, which obviously failed, because if Gowon was sure it worked, he would have been open to the option of a plebiscite in the minorities areas.
Gowon won the war, and had Seven plus years to return things to the way they were before the first coup. But he didn't, he instead perpetuated himself in power and had to be forced out of power.
But somehow in a Nigerian twisted logic, how post civil war Nigeria turned out into a failed state, isn't Gowon fault, it's Igbos fault.

This same mentality is the mentality applied to explain away Buhari failures, by claiming that his inability to turn the country fortunes are GEJ fault.

I swear, Ndiigbo must be free from Nigerians.

See who is talking about others giving them hate at first.
Who started the hate first? Perhaps, if you guys had not started the first coup that disrupted the peace and agreed independence settings of this country. We would have known who would have given hate first.
People who started hate by killing many other top-ranking Nigerian leaders and openly laughed at them to their face in the north are talking about others giving hate first. Smh.

This is thrash!

Before Nzeogwu coup, which Ademoyega was part of, and which was masterminded by Awolowo, Ndiigbo had been subject of hate speeches and even massacres by the North In Jos 1945, and in Kano 1953.

What did Yorubas achieve in precolonial Nigeria? They couldn't even evolve enough to learn the delicate act of peaceful resolution of conflicts, something Nri priests mastered centuries before and had applied throughout Igboland. The Yorubas were fighting a civil war amongst each other, so brutal that they happily welcomed the British colonialization as a route of escape.

Were the Yorubas art works superior to those of Nri and Ndiigbo?
What exactly did Yorubas achieve/invent in pre colonial Nigeria?


Bini? That glorified village Kingdom ? What exactly did they achieve? Even Aro mounted more resistance to the British than Bini could muster.

Kwararafa is an inconsequential entity, nobody talk about them, they never invented any thing worthwhile.

Hausas? Are you kidding me?

[b]Besides, prior to independence, Igbo land was the most primitive of all Nigerian areas. In spite of the fact that you people were closer to the coasts. No Igbo civilization could match that of Kwararafa kingdom from present day middlebelt. Hence, even the Igala kingdom that was subject to Kwararafa ruled Igbos in Nsukka axis for donkey years.
Infact till date, whenever the Attah of Igala land is celebrating his birthday or anniversary, you need to see the calibre of traditional leaders from Nsukka that pay homage in Idah! ........ I witnessed that in the last anniversary of the Attah. And you can imagine that Nsukka is one of the largest Igbo sub groups, if not the largest sef.

This why majority Anioma people and Rivers people and even down to Onitsha prefer to take pride in the Bini kingdom. Mind you, I was born, bred and currently living in Delta state. So I lived with your people and know how many of them take so much pride in the Bini kingdom.

Really, what did Igbos achieve pre-colonialism compared to what the Yorubas, Hausas, Binis, Kwararafans and Kanem-Bornus achieved? Osu caste system? grin

Abeg let us not go into another axis. [/b]


Please, could you explain more what you mean by Igboland being the most primitive of all parts of pre colonial Nigeria.
Any precolonial documentation from you to back this Igbophobic claim Up?

Nri civilization was more sophisticated and influential than your backward kwararafa.
This is easily represented in Nri message of peace, acceptance and peaceful co existence .
Nri art works as found in Igboukwu is also unrivalled throughout Nigeria, it was far superior than those of Ife, Nok or Bini. Notice that I never mentioned kwararafa, as they were insignificant.

France ruled Britain for years, Nordic tribes invaded Britain as well.
Does it make the Nordic tribes more civilized than Britain? It simply mean the Nordic tribes more savagery , militarized, and imperialistic. The Mongols also ruled China.
However, Igalas were pushed back by Northern Igbos, they were defeated, and the remnant of them in Igboland, forced to assimilate into the greater Igbo culture.
Igala monarchs were tyrants, just like Binis. The end result was that endless waves of Igala and Bini refuges seeking for new peaceful lands landed in Northern and Western Igbo.
These Igala and Bini people were acculturated by Igbos in Western Igbo and Northern Igbo into Igbo ways, but they retain ancestral kinship with Binis and Igalas, creating Identity crisis.
The only reason we are not hearing "I no be Ibo, I be Igala " from Northern Igbos is that they had been politically administered in same political sphere, as the rest of Ndiigbo since 1914. If they were swapped with Western Igbos who hadn't been in same political unit as the rest of Igboland since 1939, they would have developed their own identity crisis as well.


Confused Anioma people talk about Bini as a defeatist attitude. They all want to run away from the Igbophobic attitude of the rest of Nigeria.

Strong Anioma people don't talk about Bini, they remain unapologetically Igbo. From Achuzia, to Asagba of Asaba, to Utomi, and to our very own Ikechukwu ( Onenaira), whom you have been exchanging posts with here, they are all proud Igbos.

Truckpusher:
And you think any part of the South don't have what it takes to set up in motion the elements of division ?

The elites and the political class from every nook and cranny has so much to lose if Nigeria descends into chaos. with all the noise from the Niger Delta and recently from Biafra secessionists why haven't the elites from these region paid any relevant attention?

Nigeria's problem isn't about region and who gets what. The religious and regional cards being doled out by the elites is nothing but a well orchestrated plan to keep emotionally unstable and political illiterates busy while they reign supreme.

If any Nigerian President should solve the educational plague in the country ,the religious and regional card based on egocentric sentiment will die a natural death.

Well, if I had wings, I would fly to Mars, if I had tails and fins, I would swin to Antarctica.
If only if.

The plebiscite needed not be offered before then, because Ojukwu never had to prove he had the support of the majority of the Eastern minorities.
What plebiscite did Gowon and his evil advisers conduct before creating the abominations(states) that ruined Nigerian functional political structure(the regions) ?


The plebiscite proposal was only made by Biafra as an antidote to Gowon and Nigeria demonic propaganda and agenda, when they went to broadcast repeatedly to the entire world that Ojukwu forcefully annexed the Eastern minorities.

There was no better way to shame and disgrace Gowon, than by conducting a plebiscite.
A UN or OAU plebiscite would have exposed Gowon and his Yoloba propaganda machine as a demonic bunch.

"From nowhere came Abimbola Davies to complement the hatchet job of the notorious Association for Better Nigeria (ABN) led by eccentric Chief Arthur Nzeribe".

See, when yoloboids speak of those who were in support of IBB and Abacha, they remember all the Igbos, and conveniently forget their own son, Abimbola Davies.

Ajasin, Chief Bola Ige, General Shehu Musa Yar’Adua, Olisa Agbakoba, late Chief Gani Fawehinmi, Dr. Fredrick Fasehun, Dr. Chukwuemeka Ezeife, late Pa Onasanya Solanke, Chuma Ubani, Ms Ayo Obe,


See Igbos that fought for June 12 under NADECO, but today, when Yolobas speak of June 12, no mention of them are made.
This is how Yolobas twist history.