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The salient points Ikengawo dropped on the above thread is still relevant till today

horsepower101:
IPOB will succeed the moment it becomes a PAN igbo group. It's sad that the non Igbo minorities joined to speak against them.

If Ipob can be reformed and create a parallel organization focused on economic advancement, they will do wonders, in igboland.

I remember seeing a picture last year of IPOB providing free healthcare to mothers and fixing a road in umuhia from their own donations. That's was before buhari intervened.

To create an organization from the scratch that would have IPOB global reach is going to be a daunting task.
Moreover, what we are proposing here is a self sacrificing venture, because I don't see how this is going to be profitable for now.
To get people to put their money in such projects we are speaking of, and to make voluntary contributions, you need not just financial profitability, you need nationalism.
As there are tons of other more profitable places to invest money in, with higher return on investment in Nigeria, than Igboland, due to deliberate economic agenda Nigeria government pursued post Civil war against the former Eastern region.

Nothing brings out the altruistic instinct and Igbo nationalism spirit of the common Igbo man than Biafra , It's a unity altar for Ndiigbo , we must find a way to incorporate the Biafran objective into our vision. Make Biafra the long term goal, an end to look forward to.
Catalonia developed into an economic power house of Spain, using long term vision of self determination from spain, as fuel.

We can do same.

We don't need non Igbo minorities for now, it's all unnecessary distractions from those axis. We can corporate with them on areas of mutual interests, just as we should do with the rest of Nigeria for now, while we bid our time.

We need to work on ourselves first and foremost.

horsepower101:
Never in my life apart from the civil war, have I seen anyone or anything mobilize igbos the way IPOB has. You are actually right.

Not at all, I have never seen.
And their reach is global

IPOB is present in every single country on planet earth where we have Igbos.
IPOB is a goldmine yet to be explored or exploited by Ndiigbo.

If we can tame IPOB to drop their multiethinic agenda and become truly pan Igbo, which they are running away from being, even when the whole world see them as Igbo,then we would generate this critical mass needed for Igbo development under a shorter period.

If only IPOB can be persuaded to think of Biafra in a longer term basis, divided in phases, with the first phase being economic, industrial and infrastructural development of Igboland into a globally acceptable standard.

If only.

ehikwe22:
Did you just say unprecedented in the history of human for a people to completely (wasn't completely) discard their language without the use of force? Did you write that out of ignorance or out of cheer mischief?

Are you for real? What evidences of a dead language do they usually have? What exactly do you mean by that? And how are you expecting a dead language if the original language is still in existence and being used by a neighboring group? Isn't it the way it is with the Bayelsa and Rivers group that were originally Ijoid but now greatly Igboid?

And for your third point, you sound so unintelligent to expect everything to work the same in all circumstances. What a straight line way of thinking.

Yes!
It is unprecedented in history.

If you have an example, give it to me, and I would dissect the example and tell you why it's not fitting.

Edo language was completely supposedly left in Ika, Ikwerre, etc.
What Ika speak is an Igbo language, corrupted by Bini words here and there as should be expected, considering the unending influx of Edo speaking people into an originally Igbo speaking Ika area since the dawn of time, the language of Ika is Igboid and not Edoid .
Meanwhile, Degema (Udekeme) in far away Rivers state still retained their Edoid language.

I expect Ika to be bilingual in Edoid and current Igboid language, with the Edoid one dying, if indeed an Edoid language was the original language of Ikas.
Just as we have in Odiani (Ugbodu and co), where the original Yoruboid language is dying/dead, and currently replaced by Igbo (Enu ani) language,making Odiani people a bilingual people.
The same is applicable in Ebu, an originally Igala speaking town in Anioma, where they are currently bilingual in Igala and Igbo.

No single Ijoid group was converted to Igboid in Bayelsa or Rivers, if you have any, mention them here.
Despite great influx of Igbo people into Kalabari, mainly Aro people, their mercenaries like Abam warriors, and their Slaves (Igbos) , for example Asari Dokubo lineage are Igbo from Abam Igbo clan, Kalabari remained Ijaw speaking, with few loaned Igbo words used by them here and there.

You are the unintelligent one. History follows logic, what you propose is illogical and you are upset that we are pointing it out.

MXrap:
Bitter old man. This is pure witchcraft, you mean you are more interested in Anambra than you are in your own state? Tufia.

Now mention your state and let us compare notes in all indices of development. It is only that basis that we shall reel out what Obiano did on ground.

I am sure people from your state will be dreaming daily to have an OBIANO.


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This Mxrap, Ofugo , Yyeske and NonsoWawa accounts belong to one and same person.
I hope by now, Ndiigbo had understood how these people work.

We need to be wiser.

Look at this victim of abysmal comprehension ability accusing me of diversion and verbosity. I guess the stories of strictly individual Igbos'efforts you smuggled into the discussion are not a diversion from the collective sense in which I spoke? You are just a very unstable and diversionary sophist.

What stories of strictly Igbo efforts, do you speak of?
I had maintained that Igbos like Humphrey Nwosu, Dr Nwankwo,Chumu Ubani, Olisa Agbakoba, Chukwuemeka Ezeife, all played positive role in June 12.
You on the other hand claim there was an Igbo/ Northern agenda to work collectively against Yorubas and Abiola, because of the role of Nzeribe and Kanu Ndubuisi.
But when reminded that Nzeribe was only a single man whose actions cannot override those of other Igbos like Chuma Ubani and Dr Nwankwo, both who died at the hands of the military, alongside their Yoruba friends, while standing up for Abiola mandate, you claimed their actions were individual efforts and must not be seen to represent Ndiigbo.
Below is your exact quote :

The examples of Igbos he gave as supportive of June 12 are way out of the context of my submission. These Igbos, like one or two persons from nearly every other tribe, acted in individual capacities based on personal principles and not on behalf of the Igbos' general preference which was rather anti-June 12.

Judging from your own brother's (Pazienza's) standard that Edo State's 40℅ votes for Buhari in 2015 was relatively overwhelming, then shouldn't it logically mean that Tofa's above 50℅ in Igbo states was even more overwhelming by Igbos' standards for which he appraised Edo State with his brothers approval with likes? If after making this clear in my penultimate comment, you still ask for clarification, then it obviously means you suffer from poor comprehension.

Pazienza is not an official spokesperson for Ndiigbo, whatever you discussed with him, stays between you and him, and within the context of your discussion.
We are discussing about June 12 here and your statements, stick to topic and stop throwing up diversionary tactics.

Now below is your original statement :

Judging from the election itself Igbos voted overwhelmingly for Tofa (a Fulani) and against Abiola for being a Yoruba contestant whom Yorubas actually wanted and supported. Had Yorubas preferred Tofa to MKO, then MKO would have got at least 85℅ of Igbo votes.

You used the word "overwhelmingly", and when presented with raw figures and facts, you had resorted to dubiously using "relatively overwhelming".
Now I looked up the word Overwhelming in English dictionary, and this is what I saw:

C1 difficult to fight against:
She felt an overwhelming urge/
desire/need to tell someone about what had happened.
C1 very great or very large:
She said how much she appreciated the overwhelming generosity of the
public in responding to the appeal.
An overwhelming majority has voted in favour of the proposal.

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/overwhelming
Overwhelming is very large/great. The result of 1993 elections showed that Ndiigbo didn't overwhelmingly vote for Tofa.

As expected, where you can't muster any logical and factual rebuttal you brush it aside with claims of me being Igbophobic. May I ask you why Igbos are the tribe most collectively despised by all others if their attitudes don't really call for it?

Not really, Israel is hated by all Arab and Islamic nations, it doesn't mean that Israel attitude is responsible for that, it just makes the haters bitter demonic entities, whose very existence of Israel, is a source of pain to.

This matter is not primarily about June 12 but about Igbos inconsistency and double standards which in order to highlight I can't but cite other issues and juxtapose them with this current one. Only in your persecution complex infested brain do such qualify as irrelevant diversions.

Nope, I have no interest in your other posts, as I had tackled and debunked them countless number of times on this forum, since 2008, I'm only interested in your Abiola /June 12 angle, as they are new to me, and I need them debunked as well.

Unfortunately, Nwosu ended up not declaring the results. That makes nonsense of all your attempts to beautify him. If Nigerians perceive IBB as a villain for midwifing a free and fair election but aborting the process at the tail end, why should they Accord heroism to the very Nwosu who was IBB's tool in the tragedy?

He had already done his part by conducting the freest and fairest elections in annal of Nigerian history, it wasn't Nwosu who dissolved the NEC and refused that the results be declared in public.
Nwosu was no villain.

By later voting Arthur Nzeribe into the legislature for a democracy ushered in through June 12 struggle which he laboured to kill, Igbos themselves made it clear that the pro-June 12 sacrifices of Ubani, Agbakoba, Ezeife and the rest isn't worth anything. It is that simple.

Another irrelevant drivel, as I see no connection between Nzeribe independent action in June 13, and his winning election later.
There are many criteria people use to elect their leaders, participation and non participation in June 13 events is way down the ladder.
The world in Igboland doesn't revolve around June 13 events, sorry.

To a very large extent the credit of the credibility of June 12 election goes to IBB because under a military regime the election umpire's abilities depend 100℅ on the extent to which the junta allows him free hand.

True, but you also need competence in organization of logistics and Man power, as NEC chairman, to achieve a credible election in the end.

Humphrey Nwosu under the right conditions provided by IBB, exhibited high degree of competency, and for that, he deserves some accolades.

Poor comprehension again. That coalition refers to the first republic. Go through it again.

Like I told you already, I have no interest in your diversions, as I had already tackled those other topics in the time past here.
I'm only interested in the June 13 Saga.
Of which I'm aware that Abiola VP, Babagana Kingibe, was a Northerner from Borno. Since you tagged Tofa-Ugo ticket an Igbo Hausa coalition, what do we call Abiola-Kingibe, an Islamic-Islamic ticket that tickled the fantasy of the Islamic North and saw them queuing up to vote for them.

As for YEAA's objectives, were you blind to the comment in which I first mentioned it as one of the numerous ways in which Igbos had worked with HausaFulanis before 1999 in my attempt to debunk the claim of prevailing anti-Igbo sentiment claim by a brother of yours here

Fair enough.
Official or non official, through the mouth of Aare Konkafo of Yorubaland, Gani Adams and Yoruba high chiefs like Ayo Opadokun , we also know that highly placed Yoruba individuals like Bola Ige, worked Behind the scenes, with Abacha, to enthrone Abacha and kill the civil Movement demand for Abiola mandate restoration.
I guess this part of the narrative doesn't all go well with your Igbo( Nzeribe and Kanu Daniel) ganged up with Hausa-Fulanis to deny Abiola his mandate, eh?

https://www.google.com.ng/amp/dailypost.ng/2017/06/22/yoruba-leaders-elders-betrayed-abiola-ayo-opadokun/amp/


https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.vanguardngr.com/2011/08/mko-abiola-some-yoruba-leaders-were-bribed-gani-adams/amp

I don't have the time to react to all these your distractive rants of Igbophobic this and that as they don't change the fact that Tofa won in most Igbo states.
If we are to buy into your dubious argument that closeness of Abiola's votes to Tofa's in Igbo states could pass for Igbos supporting Abiola, then why do your likes keep accusing Yorubas of betraying Jonathan despite the fact that the difference between his votes and Buhari's in Yoruba states were as well marginal? So much for a person who credits himself with fact checking.
In fact one very dubious Igbo moniker here called Pazienza is always of the opinion that the 60℅ votes Jonathan got from Edo in 2015 was not enough to claim that Edos voted for him but for Buhari since in his debased mind anything short of 90℅ amounted to rejection. You never chided him for such preposterous perception but you now are busy trying to argue that 45℅ for Abiola in Enugu means he was accepted by Igbos.

As always, verbose without making sense.

How does the figures of the 1993 elections tally with your Igbos voted "overwhelmingly" for Tofa vituperation?

It was an election that could have swung either way. Tofa won 63% of the votes in Rivers state.

How about we stick to your below vituperations, without bringing up diversions to prolong discussions.
How can you prove your below lies, using the official figures of the election?

Judging from the election itself Igbos voted overwhelmingly for Tofa (a Fulani) and against Abiola for being a Yoruba contestant whom Yorubas actually wanted and supported.

So if I and indeed most other Nigerians are Igbophobic, aren't these double standards and illogicalities peddled by Igbos enough justifiable basis?

What double standards? Stick to the topic, you are already innately Igbophobic without any reason, but by all means, below is the topic, stick to it, no more diversions.

Judging from the election itself Igbos voted overwhelmingly for Tofa (a Fulani) and against Abiola for being a Yoruba contestant whom Yorubas actually wanted and supported.

Again, in your double standards corrupted brain, you absolve Humphrey Nwosu of blame on the excuse that it would have been foolhardy to defy the federal military might by way of putting his personal life on the line to declare the full results but the same likes of you crucify Enahoro and Awolowo for refusing to toe the foolhardiness path which would have involved putting the lives of their entire tribes on the line to dare the federal military might in a war they were neither properly equipped nor prepared for. See double standards smelling all over your shameless mouth?
Your anticipation of commendation for Nwosu for his half-baked bravery reeks of hypocrisy when compared with how you lots frequently demonize Wole Soyinka for his opinion on national questions despite he placed his life on the line in your favour during the war.
The hypocrisy is further laid bare by the fact that you demonize Yorubas for alleged betrayal despite the fact that those of them who fought and died on the side of Biafra outnumbered those who supported the federal side.

Can we again stick to the topic, and stop bringing up irrelevant drives to create diversion?
Humphrey Nwosu played a positive role in Abiola emergence, by conducting the freest and fairest election known in the annual of Nigerian history, an election which made Abiola a winner, that's a positive role played by an Igbo man in Abiola Saga.

Well, isn't it funny and self indicting that despite all the sabotage you accuse Arthur Nzeribe of doing against you Igbos during the war, you however still deemed it fit to vote him twice after the war to represent you in the federal legislature? If he, with the burden of Biafra War sabotage on him, could represent you in the legislature in the second republic after the war, then why use the same sabotage as an excuse to deny the representative capacity of his anti-June 12 struggles on behalf of Igbos?
But ironically the Ojukwu who led the war had his bid for a representative seat in the federal legislature rejected and frustrated by Igbos in the same election in which they ensured that Nzeribe the very saboteur of the war won a federal legislature seat. What an anomalous tribe

Yet another irrelevant drivel meant to create diversion. Sorry, I'm not biting.
Dr Nwankwo and Mr Chuma Ubani are both Igbos who died defending Abiola mandate, tell us why their ultimate sacrifice isn't worth anything, and while Nzeribe actions were worth more and should be used to represent Igbos.
Dr Nwankwo, Mr Chuma Ubani, Barr Agbakoba, Dr Ezeife. That's 4 Igbos who fought for June 13, against one Igbo who fought against June 13.

Again, you lie by attaching unprecedentedness to the credibility of June 12 election just to give flesh to your dubious beatification of Nwosu. Contrary to your lie however, the June 12 election was not any credibile than the 1959 election conducted by the departing colonial masters which saw the Southern parties winning the popular vote, and also winning more MP seats in the North than the Northern ones did in the South with no complaints of rigging from any quarter. Had it being rigged, there would have been no need for coalition government as the North would have got the simple majority. Mr. Fact Checker, how did this escape your eyes when you 'checked' the facts before you posted the trash above?

June 12 1993 elections had been described by most Nigerian political analysts as the freest and fairest election in Nigerian history, and it was conducted by an Igbo man, Humphrey Nwosu, no amount of your verbose posts would take that away.

You conjecture that Yorubas would not have voted for an Igbo candidate if the table was turned. But then who exactly are the ones always colluding with the North to see that the table is never turned for that hypothesis to be tested once and for all if not Igbos themselves?

What coalition ? Never knew that Alhaji Babagana Kingibe was not a Northerner.

You seem to confuse the birth of Daniel Kanu's YEAA with his 2 million man March for Abacha hence your assumption that YEAA came into being in 1998. I thought you are a fact checker?

If you say that YEAA and Daniel Kanu played a key role in 1993 elections, then you would have to present evidence to back up your claims. YEAA was known for its role in trying to help Abacha transit from a military dictator into a civilian president in 1998 and not for playing any role in June 12 1993 Saga.

NonsoWow:
See the insecure wawa lowlives swarming my mention. I repeat that Anambra and wawa people have nothing in common. We are worlds apart. The average Anambra family uses wawa and abakaliki people as househelps, gate-keepers, labourers, farm workers and messengers. Any attempt by lesser igbos to create a fake pan-Igbo thread that includes Anambra in the mix will be stoutly resisted. Anambra will not be part of of an evil backstabbing gang-up by hateful and envious neighbours. Imo people already showed their hate by rejecting Anambra bishop. Wawa people don't want Anambra to be declared oil producing state. Abians sacked Anambra teachers from their civil service. Ebonyi/abakaliki people are all over anambra committing crime. The hate of our inferior neighbours is real.

Bla bla bla
You sound like a broken record.

NonsoWow:
I support Yyeske. Spyder880 kindly leave Anambra out of any so-called pan Igbo thread you want to create. Outsiders won't tell the Anambra story truthfully like Anambra indigenes would. Envious lots share borders with us.

And who made impostors like both of you, who aren't even Igbos, spokespersons for Ndi Anambra?

Deadlytruth:
As for Igboid; I want to assume he is through with his brickbats of denial of Igbos major role in the anti-June 12 project.

The examples of Igbos he gave as supportive of June 12 are way out of the context of my submission. These Igbos, like one or two persons from nearly every other tribe, acted in individual capacities based on personal principles and not on behalf of the Igbos' general preference which was rather anti-June 12.
Judging from the election itself Igbos voted overwhelmingly for Tofa (a Fulani) and against Abiola for being a Yoruba contestant whom Yorubas actually wanted and supported. Had Yorubas preferred Tofa to MKO, then MKO would have got at least 85℅ of Igbo votes.
Secondly the officially recognized groups created to perpetuate Abacha (a Fulani) in power thus watering down the June 12 actualisation prospect were all headed by Igbos. Examples are Daniel Kanu led YEAA, Nzeribe led ABN and others. So I am not mistaken in my position that Igbos as a tribe collectively worked best with the HausaFulanis to frustrate MKO and June 12.

You are one Ignorant Igbophobic bitter being.

Abiola won the election in Anambra by 57.1% , despite the public rumour that he said that he could win without Igbos that was going round, and which he never even cared to debunk in public. If an Igbo was rumoured to have made such a Yorubaphobic statement, without even caring to deny it in public, would he even get up to 1% votes in Yorubaland?

In Enugu Abiola lost, but won 48.01% of the votes , in Imo he lost, but won 44.86% of the votes.
https://maxsiollun./2008/06/14/june-12-1993-election-full-results/

Any body not blinded by bitter Igbophobia would notice that it was a closely fought contest, even with Tofa fielding an Igbo VP.
If the tables were turned, would Yorubas had voted an Igbo President ?
Your idea of Igbos ganging up with the North against a Yoruba candidate only exists in your Igbophobic reality, as the result of the 1993 presidential election showed a very closely fought battle between Tofa and Abiola in Igboland, with Abiola winning Anambra State and losing narrowly in Enugu,Imo and Abia.

We have the result of the 1993 presidential election, courtesy of the brilliant work of an Igbo man, called Humphrey Nwosu, an INEC chairman that ensured Nigeria had the first and only free and fair elections in its history, we can say that Abiola is the winner of 1993 elections with full confidence, because of an Igbo man, Humphrey Nwosu, he never got the chance to announce the result because his life was on the line, but he did a good job, have you and your Igbophobic lots ever given him credit? Instead he is being denigrated, tagged coward and all sorts of names, for not puting his life on the line, by defying the military and their kangaroo courts, and had not gone ahead to declare the results publicly, even though he was brave enough to collate the results and present before the kangaroo courts.


As for Arthur Nzeribe, this was a man who was involved in arms deal business with Nigerians during the Civil War, he negotiated weapon deals to be used against Biafrans, how exactly his sole selfish actions, should weight more than that actions of thousands of Igbos who voted for Abiola in Anambra, Imo and Enugu, can only be explained by bitter Igbophobic beings.

It's also shameful that you had to throw in Kanu Daniel and his YEAA movement, that occurred in 1998,almost 5yrs after the June 12, into your irrational Igbophobic concoctions, it betrays your default Igbophobic settings, ever geared towards looking for means to demonize Ndiigbo.
So desperate are you in this your mission, that you can't even look up your facts and figures any longer.

May Chukwu help you.

Nobody bleaches the legs and leave the face.

His face show no evidence of bleaching Now or in the past.

His legs are fairer probably because, he wears trousers alot, which protected them from sun, as someone else had noted here.

You can see how bitter Igbophobic beings are working so hard to even denature a history as recent as June 12, to present Ndiigbo as villains, while trying as much as possible to erode all good roles played by Igbo persons in June 12, and downplaying the negative roles played by Yoruba elders in the Abiola Saga.

The hearts of these people are demonic.

The good thing is that they are up against an Igbo generation hell bent on correcting the mistakes of our forerunners, one of which is never to allow Igbophobic lies go un replied and un exposed as a demonic falsehood they are.

Speaking of politicians who received money from Aso rock and betrayed Abiola, maybe it's time we listened to Yoruba people themselves.

From nowhere came Abimbola Davies to complement the hatchet job of the notorious Association for Better Nigeria (ABN) led by eccentric Chief Arthur Nzeribe".

Speaking of those who truncated June 12. There were Yorubas in the middle of it all.

Many others were hounded into jail among hardened criminals. There are several other statesmen like late Pa adekunle Ajasin, Chief Bola Ige, General Shehu Musa Yar’Adua, Olisa Agbakoba, late Chief Gani Fawehinmi, Dr. Fredrick Fasehun, Dr. Chukwuemeka Ezeife, late Pa Onasanya Solanke, Chuma Ubani, Ms Ayo Obe,

You can see Igbos in the above list, who stood firmly With Yorubas in June 12.

Saturday, 09 June 2012 TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS - KUNLE ODEREMI



"From that point, the battle by the amorphous forces to scuttle the democracy process began to witness new twists and turns to the amazement of local and international communities. Some of those anti-democratic elements that had hitherto hid their faces began to come into the open, deploying weird antics and tactics to discredit the poll and denigrate the character of Abiola. From nowhere came Abimbola Davies to complement the hatchet job of the notorious Association for Better Nigeria (ABN) led by eccentric Chief Arthur Nzeribe.
To save the day and avoid the move to abort the making of June 12, those behind the new vision of a better Nigeria under a democracy moved briskly to form a coalition. Several human rights and pro-democracy bodies picked up the gauntlet of defending the sovereign powers of the people to elect those to govern them. The build-up culminated in the birth of the National Democratic Coalition (NADECO) from the mainsteam pan-Yoruba organisation, Afenifere; Movement for National Reformation (MNR) led by Pa Anthony Enahoro; Eastern Mandate Union (EMU) and many others.

From that moment, the face of the struggle changed. While the military bared its fangs like a rabid dog, the civil society and other forces dared the lion, even right in its den. The leaders of the coalition and other groups became victims of vicious attacks, including assassination and killings. Scores of hapless youths protesting against the “criminal” annulment were maimed or killed and even declared missing by pro-democracy and human rights groups. Many others were hounded into jail among hardened criminals. There are several other statesmen like late Pa adekunle Ajasin, Chief Bola Ige, General Shehu Musa Yar’Adua, Olisa Agbakoba, late Chief Gani Fawehinmi, Dr. Fredrick Fasehun, Dr. Chukwuemeka Ezeife, late Pa Onasanya Solanke, Chuma Ubani, Ms Ayo Obe, and lots of other activists, as well as scores of other protesters that suffered indignities and humiliation in the hands of agents of government. In the words of the governor of Lagos State, Mr. Babatunde Fashola, “June 12, 1993 election has become historic and memorable, not because it produced the expected results, but because its sabotage produced a reaction that the saboteurs did not contemplate. It produced a platform for the expression of the need for change, a better life, true democracy and responsible governance by millions of Nigerians. The election ignited in Nigeria, the biggest human force known in our history – the consensus of millions for one common purpose.” But when will their garlands come? "

I think it's time I stepped into this debate, lest some bitter Igbophobic beings, denature history as we know it, in desperate and futile bid to present Ndiigbo as villains.

BeijinDossier:
You have not made any point but running from pillar to post. If this senator were to be from Anambra, I am very sure that your tone would have been different, you would have been more direct to where he comes from. But see you now running around helplessly trying to at least say something.

Please discuss the Enugu senator's action and it's implication to the development of the SE. I didn't ask you to tell me about political jobbers. I hope you know that in the 7th senate, Ayogu Eze equally did a similar thing and stood on the way. Is it a case of repeatedly hating on your fellow Igbo even at the governmental level?

Ayogu did it and now Utazi has continued from where he stopped. Please discuss.

Lol

Have you even taken time to ask where I'm from?

Nwanne, parkia one side.

Utazi and Ayogu are no different from Asika and Ifeajuna.

They are all agents of Nigeria controllers.
They serve their masters, and not Ndiigbo.

BeijinDossier:
Attention @Igboid, you keep avoiding the actual divide at the governmental level. Uwa Ntooor


The hate in the region runs deep and wide. They want Igbo unity but some states in the region have elevated their hate and bitterness to governmental level. Look below and see what so called Igbo did to a fellow Igbo meanwhile we are here everyday yapping economic integration.

In the 7th senate, it was Ayogu Eze that stood on the way in confirming Anambra an oil state in the Senate which the state has been investing and developing. Now it is sen Utazi. Tomorrow someone will come and yap Igbo economic integration and you think its gonna fly. It's all man for himself. Let the region scatter because it is not useful. Let all states stand on its own and fight for itself.

If you claim you have oil, why not develop it like Anambra is doing than being a clog in the wheel each time this matter is raised in the Senate? I can even excuse the guy from NC but what of our so called fellow Igbo who knows clearly that this oil belongs to Anambra. We are watching but you guys will never succeed.

See the highlighted in red, has the 2 other pretending States done anything like that? The answer is NO.

There is a big disconnect between the political jobbers masquerading as Igbo leaders, and Igbo commoners.

The Political jobbers doesn't truly represent the people interests and want the people as divided as possible to maintain their grip on power and secure their pensions by ensuring continued existence of Nigeria.

A politically United Igbo entity doesn't serve the selfish interests of the likes of Utazi and co.

You would be naive to start reading meanings to the actions of failed Igbo political jobbers who had since lost touch with the Igbo commoners aspirations.

True, we have issues within the Igbo sub tribes, but it's not anymore than is obtainable elsewhere, and they by no means not as bad as the politicians with selfish interests presents.
I was born and bred in Enugu, though not an Enugu indigene, and not for once had I been made to not feel at home at Enugu.
Enugu people embraces all Igbos, that's what makes that City unique and home for all of us.

Spyder88 and co, please if you have more pics, please share them here.

For the rest of genuine Ndiigbo here, let's stop feeding the trolls, don't quote or reply their posts, let's just ignore them, until they all fizzle out, and this thread lives on.

Enugu is the pride of Igboland. The capital of Igboland.
Ojukwu had house in Enugu, Akunyili do, Ohamadike ( Umeh) do, Okocha do.
Enugu is the center of excellence in Igboland, it's like the cord that holds us together, at Enugu, we all lose our clan identities, and just become 042 people.
The Phynos( Anambra) , the Flavours( Anambra) , the Wizboys(Anioma- Ika) , etc all rep Enugu, and carry her everywhere.

Enugu is the place of unity for Ndiigbo.
When you see a moniker relentlessly attacking and denigrating Enugu people and Enugu achievements , then it's tell tale sign of the impostor identity of the character.

Doublecheck:
All the time he could have made his points withouts taking shot or subliminal jabs and still pass his message across with every one understanding the message he was trying to pass. Or you think it's okay for him to take shots once in a while and its bad for chino cause he takes shots all the time, what is bad is bad his statement's were uncalled for.

Here are some quote of ofodirinwa's post (Bold) after reading it let me know if you still think what he said was in order and while you are at it kindly explain to me how Aba and Onitsha people behave, the same Onitsha and Aba that have produced some of Igbo's best and brightest minds.

With post like those highlighted tell me what separates him from Chino. I salute Anambrains and Abia people for their maturity to overlook his stupid jabs as they were totally uncalled for.

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"Mechanized farming is great but there's more to life than money. This isn't an abstract concept either. May of the degenerative behaviors Nigerians exhibit are the result of the hideous toxic environments our short sightedness forces us to create.

When we make said money what will we do? Build a big tacky house and cage ourselves in 10 foot concrete walls. Well cut down every tree visible in the process.

When the air is full of dust, when erosion strikes, when smog reaches, air quality declines, people start dying at 40 from natural causes, we'll blame government.

Ontisha was built with 0 consideration for health or environment in mind. Today it's the dirtiest city in the world and the people there act like pained animals.

Owerri is moving in a decent direction and takes beauty into consideration. Enugu too. Do you know why people in Aba and Onitsha act one way while people in Enugu and Owerri act another?

Our poor concept of development has us racing towards wasting our time on Earth in a miserable ugly concrete hell.

You can't look at something this beautiful and start thinking of how to destroy it. Besides, beauty generates more money than rice. If Amazon or Microsoft was going to build office you think they'll choose to do it in a treeless, smoggy dusty wasteland?"

Ofordinwa post was wrong, but we know that there are better ways it could be corrected without seeking to cause Igbo disunity here.
The monikers that you are defending, are known for their anti Igbo unity posts, they are not Igbos, they are fifth columnists, hiding behind Anambra as a Trojan horse, to infiltrate and decimate the Igbo camp, they have been looking for means to enter and scatter the unity we are building here, Ofordinwa post simply gave them a platform to gain a foothold and unleash their agenda here.

I don't know you, but you should do well to investigate the anti Igbo activities of the monikers you are defending, don't be that naive.

All these non Igbo monikers, who had been impostors, impersonating Ndi Anambra here. This Enugu thread is the most progressive Igbo unity thread in NL and we(Real Igbos) are allowing impostors serving as fifth columnists scatter this thread.

Please, let's be wise, from now onwards, let's ignore any posts from these impostors, don't give them the attention they crave for, and please, can we get the honourable Mod to clean this thread for us, and remove posts from these fifth columnists here?

Chiwude:
The analogy you just used to respond to me has proven how foolish you are and how foolish you'll be. I cannot be cajoled not to speak the truth in order to please some slow poke. You should be ashamed of yourself for using the Swiss example to quantify the Igbo unity argument, because it doesn't hold water.
We have non-Igbo tribes in several SE states and yet they don't foolishly jump to do the nonsense those ones in Anambra are fond of doing. In Enugu and Abia for instance, we have Igala/Idoma elements and as well as Annangs but you hardly see these ones carry states on their head to the detriment of Igbo unity. You hardly see them hide under Enugu state tag to fight fellow Igbos. If an Idoma Enugu indigene speaks thrash about fellow Igbo states an Enugu man with shut him down and won't tolerate another ethnicity disunite his own ethnic group, the same applies to Abians too. The Enugu thread has been going on for years and I have never seen such nonsense happen, except for the madness many of you idiots from Igalaland forming Igbo bring here. The Igbo nation has passed through hell in this country, where every tribe inclusive of the Igala's are always hoping for our downfall. For this reason we don't give a Bleep about others, even if they have some age long Eri link nor some age long Arochukwu link, we look out for ourselves only. We don't look out for other anti-Igbo tribes playing the fifth columnist amongst us, who don't want our progress. Whose larger ethnic group joined our enemies to exterminate us during the civil war. If the Igalaman amongst us is a proponent of Igbo unity then we will welcome him, but if he is against our unity and progress then we will castigate and throw him off board. And if this message doesn't pass through your ears then you along with your fellow idiots should go drown in the Omanbala river.

Why bother yourself.
The character you are replying is not even Igbo, to start with.

Before the regions were dissolved

Good a thing it's now understood that it was Gowon, and not Ironsi who dissolved the regions.

I think with the above understanding pressed home and stamped, I can now take my leave from this thread and allow you Yorubas sort yourselves out on the issue of discus of the thread, before you brought the diversion.

0monnak0da:
But Before that Nigeria was already a UNITARY state , Regionalism had been abrogated along with resource control thanks to decree 34 of 1966 promulgated by Aguiyi Ironsi

Lol
Now you are running in circles.

Gowon announced on 5 May 1967 the division of the 4 Nigerian regions into 12 states: North-Western State ,
North-Eastern state, Kano State , North-Central State , Benue-Plateau State , Kwara State , Western State, Lagos State , Mid-Western State, Rivers State, aSouth-Eastern State, and an East-Central State.
Rivers State, a South-Eastern State, and an East-Central State.

The above is history as we know it.
The regions were dissolved, abolished, buried and replaced with states, by Gowon, with active support of Yoruba leaders.

0monnak0da:
Decree 34 1966 Ironsi abolished Regionalism and introduced Unitary government

Gowon announced on 5 May 1967 the division of the 4 Nigerian regions into 12 states: North-Western State ,
North-Eastern state, Kano State , North-Central State , Benue-Plateau State , Kwara State , Western State, Lagos State , Mid-Western State, Rivers State, aSouth-Eastern State, and an East-Central State.

0monnak0da:
It was an Eboe man than abrogated the regions with Decree 34 of 1966

Let us not forget that

On the contrary, it was a Northern minority, with active support of Yoruba leaders, who dissolved and abolished the regions, and replaced them with the abominations called states today.

#One Nigeria 101

If only Igbos would agree to stay off this thread and let Yorubas sort themselves out.

ultron12345:
We will not make any conclusions until we hear the side of the doctor/hospital. We all know what Nigerian patients can do, wicked set of people, that was how one came to nairaland, saying the doctor gave wrong injection that blocked his intestines and he was feeding through the nose Imagine, blocked intestines and feeding through the nose, rubbish.

www.nairaland.com/4349690/uniabuja-graduate-died-hospital-after

The hospital/cdoctor should sue him for defamation. Rubbish!!!! Since when did faeces become present in the small intestines. By the time he starts having misfortunes in life, he will be blaming devil not knowing its because of his habit of pouring out lies to spoil people's names.

I know some frustrated souls whose childhood dreams to become doctors were crushed by JAMB will see this as an opportunity to pour out their anger, hatred, frustrations and envy on Nigerian doctors. My advice, go and buy jamb form.

Takeproft:
I think you're a weakling. You've used similar words on this thread and nobody called the mod. Like I didn't see your responses to others

Show me where I called anyone here "an idiot"?