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Ikechuob:
Honestly just finding out today. Nnamdi predicted alot of what is going on in that shithole currently...including buhari winning the election. There was a reason they started calling him a prophet

I don't even consider all those things he was saying as prophesies.
He was just saying the obvious.
Just that in Nigeria, Igbophobia would always glue people's eyes from seeing the obvious, if seeing such would mean acknowledging that the Igbo push for Independence is justified.


Every sane person knows that Nigeria as an entity has nothing but a gloomy future, Thats why every single Nigerian youth has ambitions of leaving Nigeria for better Western Nations, our politicians are training their children abroad to enable them have the opportunity to escape the country as well, the rich government workers are doing same, the poor Nigerians are trekking to Libya to leave the country.
The politicians and their kangaroo technocrats that are reeling out cooked up stats of how the economy is improving, are prepping their kids to be citizens of developed nations, they don't believe this country has a future, you would be stupid to think otherwise.

One doesn't need to be a prophet to see the true picture of things, just simple analysis of current trend and past history would suffice.

No sane Igbo person is interested in One Nigeria, let alone Igbo presidency.
It's always Igbos driven by selfish interests in the Nigerian project, whose very life sustainence depends on continued existence of Nigeria as a single indivisible entity, campaign for Nigerian unity, and by extension, Igbo presidency.

Nothing good can ever come out of Nigeria.

Afam, I don't understand your own, why do you have to bring Akwa Ibom matter into this thread?

There is nothing in Akwa Ibom for Enugu to aspire for, Enugu is already on a different pedestal, we are looking forward, not sideways.
Please, for the sanity of this thread, die that your Akwa Ibom matter.

sangresan:
I am the one that will help you post the figures in the reference?
Something your fake essayist wasn't even bold enough to display...


Abeg go back to school....


You can see what I posted....It is backed up with full figures not just stupid tales from nonexistent essayists....


Using all indices of human development, the Ibos were far, far behind the Yorubas in 1960....Number of schools, total number of school enrolments, hospitals, qualified doctors, nurses and midwives, kilometres of road tarred, number of literate adults, access to pipe borne water and etc....

I have more where that came from...I don't paste lies or mere opinions of unknown Iboic essayists as stats....

I don't see the figures you posted.

You must be an illiterate to not understand the meaning of a researched article.

The Paul Abner journal I provided is loaded with credible references for each and every of its claim.

The onus is on you to prove that the references he quoted as the sources of his claims were wrong.

So far, you had failed to do that. You want Paul Abner book dissmised without a credible counter proof to his assertions.
Posting Yoruba figures, without posting Igbo figures from you, is never going to counter Paul abner, as Paul's argument was never that Yorubas had no figures, it was that the Eastern figures were better and he provided referenced sources for his assertion.

Paul Abner never claimed that the East had more tarred roads than the West, and I never made such claims either, so the last stat you posted was irrelevant to the discussion, and was but a mere distraction for you to vent your frustrations.

sangresan:
Our friends are really funny...You are yet to give us the total figures from which those writers' opinions were been formed....

Who would believe such trash?

Achebe lifted empty stats like these to write his infamous book about how Ibos were leading in the decade before independence even though the writer concentrated mostly on developments in the period leading to the 1966 Coup when Igbo leaders were already populating the Federal Civil Service with their kinsmen....


What is so hard in bringing the total figures rather than ratios?

Let see the number of Igbos in school in 1950 or 1955...What is hard in doing that or your schools didnt have records?


Now examine the picture below... I told you that I don't deal with false ratios and halftruths...

Lol!

If you go through the article references, you would see the numbers.

Not that it matters, since it wouldn't help your argument Now would it?

Which is why you are dragging in an entirely different stat, into the argument, as a distraction technique. Sorry, I wouldn't bite

Go, through the article I posted and see the reference for every single stat it quoted.

ukejejohnson:
E no easy jare

One thing I have learnt about Nigerian is we strive for excellence.

And we got lot of talent in different ways.

Just sad this country doesn't recognize or value such.

When I read comments here and see how creative funny some people can be. God I see talent. You might not understand but Michael Blackson started from being funny and today from SA to USA competing with Kelvin Hart

We are dang talented and ready to strive. Some of us in nigeria need a sane climes to thrive.

Big congrats to her

Which Nigerians strive for excellence. Let political correctness not kill you bro.

Igbos, I repeat, Igbos! Strive for excellence!

sangresan:
Remind me of the figures you gave..We didn't discuss anything because you haven't supplied the total school enrolment for the Eastern Region....

The article I quoted is a researched article with references.

Stop disgracing yourself in public.

sangresan:
The figures you see are what?


olodo....

Hello! We are talking about the East having a superior school enrolment stat than the west that needed free education to stay close to the East.

How exactly did the stat you provided help your argument?

Though I am neither Yoruba nor Igbo, my open minded research of Nigeria's history leads me to the conclusion that Nigeria's current failure as a country is 95℅ attributable to the self delusions, short-sightedness/greed and stupidity of Zik and Ironsi.



Here you claim to be "open minded ", though we all know better

"As a minority person, why should I not be igbophobic when the unitary system which Igbos brought into Nigeria through the backdoor has perpetually endangered the minorities? Are you expecting them to send you kisses and thank you cards for for being the first to dismantle federalism which guaranteed their protection from the overbearing attitude of the majorities? "

When hassled, you cracked, and told us what we already know.
Which is that you are Igbophobic and hence incapable of holding an open minded discussion on Igbo affairs, like you early claimed.

sangresan:
YOU MAY NOT KNOW THAT I HAVE ALL THESE FIGURES WITH ME..JUST WAITING FOR YOU to provide your "mythical" stats....


Meanwhile ,in that same 1956,according to the Western Region of Nigeria Annual Abstract of Education Statistics 1953-1958:

The West had 6,603 Primary schools
106+ Secondary Modern schools
91 Secondary Grammar Schools
96 Grade II & III Teacher Training Schools
0 Vocational Schools..


So much for your tales.....

You have not said anything yet.
Where are your stats?

Deadlytruth:
Where did I even mention neutrality in my very first comment that attracted your response? For your information neutrality is not about apportioning blames equally but correctly which is what I did. The blame for the pioneership of the events which led Nigeria astray rests squarely on Zik and Ironsi's myopic quests for unitary system disguised as a call, albeit dubious, for One-Nigeria. Note the term pioneership
As a minority person, why should I not be igbophobic when the unitary system which Igbos brought into Nigeria through the backdoor has perpetually endangered the minorities? Are you expecting them to send you kisses and thank you cards for for being the first to dismantle federalism which guaranteed their protection from the overbearing attitude of the majorities?


1. Stop being clever by half. As long as the Ifeajuna (not Nzeogwu) coup was unsuccessful it can't be the originator of military rule. Ironsi's coup which actually took power from the civilians was.

2. You personally agree that Ironsi brought unitary system? But some of your brothers here go all lengths to deny it. So who should we believe now?
The Core North's objective for toppling Ironsi was not primarily to correct his blunders but to further perpetrate them so that Igbos might through practical experience understand why unitary system is not desirable for a multi-ethnic nation and therefore unlearn their belief in it. On that account, Gowon's 9 year stay was not even enough to purge Igbos of their over 40 year old fixation with unitary system against every reality on ground.
3. Gowon, on a personal note, had actually begun to reverse Ironsi's blunders until it was overtaken by Ojukwu's intransigence.
4. A party is as good as its leader. Besides that, majority of those asking for one Nigeria were Igbos both in NCNC and outside it. The few Yorubas who joined Zik in that stupid One-Nigeria sloganeering did so to avoid being guilty of anti-party activities. Don't forget that the quest for unitary system disguised as the call for One-Nigeria was initially not in the NCNC's ideology until Zik became its leader.

By the way, how did all your diversion on this answer my question as to why Zik decided to take NCNC into an alliance with the NPC despite the entire South and especially the East rejected it at the polls? What sort of nationalism was Zik pursing by acting against the will of the entire South in favour of the North? Was Nigeria made up of the North alone? In which Southern voter's interest did he do such?
Let us even take it hypothetically that Awolowo was treacherous. Should that have justified going into an alliance that would on a platter of gold give absolute powers to those who had made themselves clear that they would not mind killing and subduing Southerners and even proving it with the 1945 and 1953 Jos and Kano massacres respectively?
Was the independence alliance question about Awolowo or about the need to forestall the impending second class citizen status of all of Southerners spelt by the North's born to rule philosophy?
It is just like how the same Zik gave Ojukwu's egocentric leadership style as excuse for his defection to the federal side during the Biafra War. Was the war in question was about Ojukwu or the freedom, safety and dignity of a whole race?

5. As at independence the NCNC's operational base had shifted to the East thus it had become an Igbo party and representative of Igbo interests considering the fact that other Southern tribes had found reasons to break away from it into splinters like OIL, IPP, Otu Edo, Niger Delta Congress, etc. Moreover Zik had tribalized it by making an Igbo man his successor as leader despite he himself succeeded a non-Igbo.
The story of Awolowo's double dealing with NCNC and AG was an afterthought account seeking to transfer responsibility of their blunder of aligning with the North after it boomeranged explosively on them.
It was obvious to common sense that two fractions had always existed in AG and that Akintola's faction's visit to Ahmad Bello was independent of Awolowo's faction's visit to Zik. Moreover, Akintola was already a minister under the Balewa headed shadow government set up by the colonial masters in 1957 and was therefore in pursuit of sustaining his power relationship with the North into independence. Knowing fully well that AG was already a fictionalized party between Akintola and Awolowo,
what stopped Zik from just placing a call across to Awolowo to ascertain his awareness and approval of Akintola's visit to Bello if not prejudice?
If Zik's decision to team up with the North was based on a conviction that Awolowo was treacherous, then how come just four years later the same Zik would enter into the UPGA alliance with the same Awolowo to displace the same North? Also, why would Okpara later openly regret ever advising Zik to reject the proposed AG-NCNC alliance at independence? Why would Okpara, a staunch Zik loyalist, later travel from Enugu to Ibadan to mend fences and make peace with Awolowo's wife and AG members?
If Awolowo were treacherous how could he have turned down Balewa's offer to release him from jail on the condition that he ordered his faction within the AG to back out of the UPGA deal with Zik and align with the NPC going into the 1965 elections?
Awolowo's major mistake was that he bent over backwards too much just to forge that Southern unity with Zik who was rather a Northerner in mind. Had he accepted Balewa's offer, secured his release and dealt with Igbos decisively, he would not have been labeled a traitor today. I don't pity him. Tinubu obviously learnt from Awolowo's experience hence he never seeks any Southern unity deal with Igbos and consequently he is not termed treacherous.

7. Do you read what you write at all? Did I say that the gerrymandering was done in 1900 to warrant the reasoning that a yet unborn Zik could not have undone or prevented it?
Can you see how far your quest to defend Zik's gaffes have driven you into illogicality?

Go back and read that comment again. I made it clear that those three territories were parts of the Southern Protectorate from 1900 and that they remained in the Southern province post amalgamation until early fifties when regions were being created. Was Zik still yet unborn during the time of regions creation? By all available evidences Zik was at least 46 years and was the leader of the East as at when the regions were being created. What stopped him from rushing back to Enugu to checkmate the gerrymandering? Can't you see that Kanu's current quest to have Benue and Kogi East in Biafra is a pointer to Zik's failure to resist the gerrymandering back then?
You probably never read that while Zik was indifferent to the excision of part of the East to the North back then Awolowo was busy mounting irredentist pressure over the present Kwaras and Kogi Okuns with Zik acting as a spoiler all in his blind quest for a phantom One-Nigeria through which he hoped to acquire the very mundane "Zik of Africa" title.

When you can't address the posers I raise based on your own claim you call it diversion.

1. Nzeogwu coup, Ifeajuna coup, Ademoyega coup. Anyone that tickles your Igbophobic brain cells, is the first military rule, as it took power off the civilian government.
Ironsi met no citing civilian government. Dipcharima was not in power, and Orizu was on the run. The government had been sacked and were no longer functional.
They civilians were plotting a comeback, but Ironsi snuffed it out in its bud. Simple.
So No, Ironsi took power from Nzeogwu and co, not from dead Saraduna, run away Zik, and hiding and yet to be sworn Orizu or Dipcharima.

2. The argument of my brothers, was that Ironsi didn't destroy the vestiges of the regional system and structures before he left, when Ironsi died, the Regions were still intact. And all had military governors.
Gowon it was who finally eviscerated the regional structures with his creation of abominations called states.


3." The Core North's objective for toppling Ironsi was not primarily to correct his blunders but to further perpetrate them so that Igbos might through practical experience understand why unitary system is not desirable for a multi-ethnic nation and therefore unlearn their belief in it".

How do we reconcile you above vomitus with your below vituperation :

"Gowon, on a personal note, had actually begun to reverse Ironsi's blunders until it was overtaken by Ojukwu's intransigence".

On one hand, you claim the North had no plans of reversing Ironsi "blunders", on second hand, you claim Gowon was already reversing Ironsi "blunders", you just can't keep your ish straight, can you?


Regardless of your meandering, Gowon didn't reverse Ironsi "blunders " in the end, he had 9yrs to do that, and didn't.
You can't run away from this.


4. The Nigerian unity project was an NCNC project. Zik spoke on the conference as an NCNC leader, and not an Igbo leader.
NCNC was a multiethinic national party with many non Igbo henchmen, and not one of them of note, opposed Zik and NCNC one Nigeria project.
On why NCNC and NPC chose to dump AG and go into alliance with Each other, blame Awolowo treachery for that.
No one wants to go into alliance with someone with trust issues.
Awo and AG through their shenanigans, proved not to be trust worthy. It's simple as that.

6. But the event you speak of, the constitutional conference and NCNC one Nigeria stance, occurred pre independence, so even if we accept your lie, that NCNC became an Igbo only party post independence, how exactly does it help your argument of trying to prove that NCNC one Nigeria stance in pre independence represents Igbo stand and not NCNC , a multiethinic national party, stance?
You see, you had maneuverd your self into a cul-de-sac.


7. You are a liar, no part of Kwara or Kogi was part of Southern region by 1906.
Here is the proof:https://www.nairaland.com/1019602/dont-blame-1914-amalgamation-rather/1

Stop wasting my time on redundant arguments.
The regions were created in 1939 by Bernard Bourdillion.
Stop wasting my time.

sangresan:
You never answered me sef...What was the basis of imitating the Western Region and introducing the costly free education policy in 1957 if the Eastern Region was already ahead in terms of educational development?

The Eastern Region had to abandon it in 1959 due to rising costs..

To ensure we remained ahead of Western region, that's why the East attempted to introduce free education.

But by 1959, Eastern leaders found out that we didn't need free education to stay ahead of Western region, as even though the scheme was withdrawn, the East remained ahead of Western region in Enrolement stats.

Our people didn't need free education to enrole in primary schools, unlike Western region, so the free education scheme money was better spent on other important aspects of governance.

sangresan:
It is very easy to deceive laymen with percentage figures especially if they aren't given the totals from which the calculations are being made..


..What were the total (primary + secondary) school enrolments in Eastern Nigeria in 1953,1954,1955 to 1957(when free tuition was introduced)?

I don't have them at this moment, but I once had them, and I know they were better than those of the SW.


"If you have them, post them, if you don't, we would have to stick with this:
Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education".

sangresan:
You have seen me posting figures...I deal with figures....I quoted in thousands and millions for both regions...I haven't seen you even quote a single relevant figure to back up your claims....Repeating dubious percentages isn't acceptable since you can't show us the total figures from which those percentages are calculated from...


Or your essayist didn't provide the total figures in his essay?

You have not quoted any credible figures. The one you quoted, I had already proved to be wrong, by providing a better source.

"Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education"


From the above. we already know the East had not just more pupils, but more teachers than the western region, despite not having a free education scheme.
The onus is on you to prove a source proving that the West has better figures than the East, and so far, you had failed to do that.

The onus is on you to disprove those stats by providing a stat stating otherwise.

Strikethem:
Oga, you have been challenged to bring out your lost claim. Prove yourself. Look for it.

Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:


" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand.

Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education.

Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965

MRAKBEE:
Which igbo??
Are NneNne and eme really igbo names?

Nne Nne = Mother's mother.

Meaning : She(Nne Nne) is a reincarnation of her grandmother.


Eme= Don't

Eme is an abridged version of a longer name.
The full name could be = Emejona( don't offend), Emefiele/Emefiena( don't harm/sin), Emenike (Don't do by force), etc.


All are traditional conc Igbotic names.

You can now go back to continue writhing in your Igbophobia induced pain, now that you know that she is Igbo all through, so Igbotic that all her three names are Igbo

sangresan:
You won't find the stats for the Eastern region because your half-truths will be busted.....Eastern Region school enrolment only increased tremendously from 1957 when they abolished tuition and got higher than Western Region figure..The policy was eventually stopped in 1959 due to rising costs...

I will refer you to the book by Prof Obaro Ikime,"Groundwork to Nigerian History"....All these are clearly explained there...


Now to explain better, Eastern Region was more populous than the Western Region but had more youths out of the school system than the latter.....When you locate your 'mythical' stats which you claimed were lost, alert me.

My source was actually mentioned NERDC, 1990 report...

Post the stats of the Eastern enrolment stats if you have them. If you don't, keep your conjectures to yourself.

The East had more pupils enrolled in school than the West, the Western free education closed up the gap on the East, Zik and co tried to stop the west overtaking East by introducing their own free education scheme, but ultimately found out that the advantage in the East was less than the disadvantage, as the Eastern Enrolement stats remained higher than the West stats, even after the Scheme was withdrawn in the East. In order words, Eastern parents didn't need government motivation to send their kids to school, unlike the Western parents.

[b]Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:


" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand.

Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education.

Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965[/b]

sangresan:
Shaping up to be like Northern Nigeria with a school enrolment of over 850k in 1955 while the whole of Eastern Region had only over 300k at the same time?

May be you meant to refer to the Eastern Region.....

Eastern Region copied the Western Region Free Education policy in 1957 to encourage school enrolment...

Why would they have done so if the schools were already full of school-age youths?


You can only deceive gullible minds like your own...

The East had more children enrolled in school than the west between 1956-63, this is not up for debate, as I had already posted an article backing this Up.

You had so far failed to provide proof of West having more children enrolled in school than the East in those era, only you know where you pulled out the "over 300k" stat for the East.
Post your source or keep silent.

sangresan:
Richard Sklar (Nigerian Political Parties: Power in an Emergent African Nation. 1963: pg 419)


"Possibly no single decision of the decade prior to independence had been more fateful for the development of the political economy of Nigeria than the education venture of the Western Regional Government during the 1950s"..

I concur.
Because without that, Western region was shaping up to be like the North.
The education Enrolement figures there was poor and lagged behind those of the East, the Awo free education narrowed the gap the East was giving the west, but ultimately, the East remained ahead.

I don't think Nigeria could survive having another Northern illiteracy stats in SW.
So yes, that free education ish, bought Nigeria some time.

sangresan:
I see lies flying left and right here.....Some guys can go to any length to defend the indefensible.

As at 1956,total primary school enrolment in the whole Eastern region stood at 775,000 while Western region enrolment was already more than 850,000 in 1955 when Awo introduced the Free Education Policy.....

Eastern Region also abolished tuition in all primary schools in 1957 and school enrolment shoot up to over 1 million. The policy was abandoned in the East in 1959...(NERDC,1990)

Those who want to rewrite history have a hard task ahead


If you want to argue next time, you go back home and ask your clansmen how many primary and secondary schools were in the whole Eastern Region in 1960 compared to the Western Region....Then, we can compare notes....This quoting of fictitious characters won't help you....The archives are always open to scrutiny...

Talk about Chief Michael Okpara if you want to discuss credible Igbo leaders.
Zik was just a dreamer and given to sloganeering.

How much was the minimum wage in Zik's Eastern Region compared to Awo's Western Region?

#another assignment#

Can I see the statistical comparision of Eastern region school Enrolement figures with those of Western region.
I know the Eastern region was ahead of Western region in Enrolement stats, baring One particular year, I use to have the stat and had posted it on nairaland before, but my system crashed and I can't find the stat again.
I had been searching my nairaland posts to retrieve the stats, but it's taking too long.

Do you mind to post where you got the figure of Eastern region Enrolement number in 1955, because I strongly believe it's wrong.

I have the stats for Western region Enrolement figure though, and it wasn't more than 850,000, it actually stood at 811,432.

Deadlytruth:
You deceive yourself. How does neutrality question come in here? Of course there is no neutrality between good and evil. I made myself clear that I don't fancy Ironsi and Zik. How you saw that as a claim to neutrality is beyond my understanding.
Moreover, how can Igbos be the judge on neutrality when they themselves are an interested party to the issue under discuss by virtue of being the brothers of Zik and Ironsi who put us in this mess by virtue of the following:
1. Ironsi introduced military rule into Nigeria through the excuse of the Ifeajuna coup which after foiling he could have saved democracy by simply handing power back to the civilian structure still on ground.
2. At a time when the public was not complaining about the more or less "we the people" independence constitution, Ironsi unilaterally pioneered a review process which would result in a constitutional crisis around which all the national controversies now revolve.
3. Despite the fact that the crisis which led to the anarchical situation in the first republic was a fall out of abuse of power by the government at the center, Ironsi promulgated decrees which further concentrated powers at the center. How sensible was that?
4. Zik and his cheerleaders deprecated and mocked every attempt to have the secession clause in the independence constitution. Such a clause would definitely have instilled the fear of the consequences of misgovernance in all our post independence leaders thus Nigeria would not have been this misruled.
5. Despite the fact that everyone in the Eastern Region registered an aversion for the NPC in the 1959 election where the party scored zero, Zik, in pursuit of his selfish interest, subsequently took the East's NCNC into alliance with NPC thereby giving power to the North to actualize and institutionalize her born-to-rule philosophy as we have it today.
7. The current Benue State, Kogi East Senatorial District and Southern Taraba were all in the Southern Protectorate as at 1900, therefore the South was obviously going to be stronger than the North in all future democratic bargains. But while these three territories were being gerrymandered to the North at the time of regions creation, the Zik who was supposed to be mounting irredentist opposition to it from Enugu as the leader of the Eastern Region into which they should naturally fall was far away in Ibadan greedily seeking to become premier there.
Talk of pursuing a selfish agenda in a far away land while his own home was in flames.
How many would one even enumerate?

You were the one who dubiously introduced neutrality issue here, forcing me to make it clear that you are too Igbophobic to lay claim to any neutrality claim on any discussion involving Igbos on this board. Your antecedents and posts history speak for you. You can't lay claim to neutrality, neither can you lay claim to being good, you had since crossed that line.

1. Military rule in Nigeria was first introduced by Nzeogwu and people like Ademoyega, who decided to usurp a sitting civilian government in Jan 1966.


2. True. Yet those who removed and killed him for it, decided to consolidate and entrench the same military and unity government rule they accused Ironsi of being guilty of.
9yrs, Gowon had to return the country back to civilian rule, but chose to perpetuate himself in government, but we are supposed to blame Ironsi who ruled for just 6 months for Gowon failures?

3. Even more senseless is the fact that Gowon the man you present as hero, and his gang saw to the death of Ironsi, on the ground of his unity government, yet they perpetuated the unity system and refused to change it for 9yrs, isn't this more senseless?
Of course, I expect you to come up with excuses on why Gowon refused to correct Ironsi "senseless" decision, but rather perpetuated it.

4. Zik was a leader of NCNC, a multi ethnic national party with members spread between the then three regions of the federation, the decision to pursue Nigerian unity using diplomatic means was an NCNC decision, not Ziks personal decision, the party members never objected.
Were NCNC shortsighted for pursing and believing in Nigeria unity? Well events that occurred later and current failed state of Nigeria, suggests they were.

5. Again, NCNC was not East's NCNC, I understand why you are diabolically trying to make NCNC an east only party. But facts remain that NCNC was a national party with members across the three regions.
Here : https://www.nairaland.com/3780719/politics-first-coalition-govt-nigeria
We can see why Zik and NCNC were pushed into alliance with the NPC.
Awo and AG were treacherous and dishonest in their dealings with both NPC and NCNC.

7. How old exactly was Zik in 1900, how could Zik travel back in time and undo and event that occurred before the first almagamation of 1906? Can you see how far your Igbophobia had driven you? Why wasn't Awo advocating and fighting for unification of Western Kogi and Kwara which even had ethnic Yorubas in them with Southern region.


I know you stock in trade is to unnecessary lengthen discussions with unnecessary diversions until your opponent gets bored, but I will only try to avoid your unnecessary diversions.

Throwback:
You are expecting foreign news to cover a story of tribalism and certificate forgery affecting a character of the University of Ibadan?

Did any foreign news media in this 21st century cover the Dino Melaye ABU scandal or his claims that he graduated from Harvard that Harvard denied?

But you want foreign news media source for a scandal that was news in the University of Ibadan campus community in the 1960s?

I take it that this is you admitting that other than the usual Yoruba propaganda media machine, you have no neutral third party account, validating this your Yoruba falsehood.

Thank you.

T9ksy:
Abeg, present the "available stats" here for us all to peruse (like DL had just done with the election result of 1951 in western nigeria).

Even free education, zik could not provide for his people though when Awo initially suggested the notion, the former and his clueless and incompetent sidekicks mocked him however these same people who have no concept of shame and a proclivity to eat their vomit, migrated in droves to yorubaland chorusing "One Nigeria" just so they could partake in the free education that Awo (whom they just love to hate) had set-up with his people' s fund to benefit primarily his kith and kins.


That senile hate-filled bigoted man that penned that piece of junk, he called "there was a country", claimed that by the mid-60's, his tribemen had wiped out yoruba's lead in the educational field but the inherently mischevious git failed to eluciadate on how his tribesmen accomplished such a feat.

Zik had a superior system called the "Ibu Anyi ndanda " system, which ensured that even in the height of Awo free education days, the East had more kids enrolled in basic education than Western region.

I have the stats to back this up as well.

Zik always was one step ahead of Awolowo.

Other than the Western Igbos who were forcefully put in Western region despite their protests in 1939 by Bernard Bourdillion , Igbos except those living in the capital of Nigeria, had no reason to partake in Awo substandard free education scheme.

The Eastern region was head and shoulders above the entire Nigeria, in all facets of development, by 1965.

This we know, statiscally speaking.

This is not local beer parlour empty Yoruba gists.
Awo was no match for Zik in progressive leadership, the results speaks for themselves in the above presented stats.

Paul Anber's essay "Modernization and Political Disintegration: Nigeria and the Ibos" published in the journal of Modern African Studies vol. 5, No 2 (Sep, 1967) 163-179. See pp 171-172 for excerpt:


" '' A system of Universal primary education was introduced in Eastern Nigeria in 1953, though the mission schools had already prospered in the Region long before then. Despite the fact that there was a requirement for limited contributory fees, education continued to be very much in demand.

Even at the time when universal primary education was first introduced, the percentage of the population over seven years of age who were literate was higher in the East than in any other Region: East, 10.6 per cent; West 9.5 percent; North, 0.9 percent. Since 1959, the East has had more teachers and pupils than any other area of the country, with the heaviest emphasis on primary education.

Figures for elementary and secondary education indicate that the approximate ratio of teachers to population in 1963 was 1 to every 1,500 in the East, 1 to every 2,500 in th West, and 1 for every 10,000 in the north. Other statistical data reveal how rapidly the standard of living rose among Ibos. The East had the most extensive hospital facilities in the country by 1965, the largest regional production of electricity in the country by 1954, and the greatest number of vehicle registrations by 1963. The economic orientation of the Ibos was also reflected through membership of credit associations:in 1963 the East had 68,220 individual members, the west 5,776, and the north a mere 2,407." ''... His source was the Annual Abstract of Statistics ( Federal Office of Statistics, Lagos, 1965

This is the annoying part of this whole thing.
We the pro Biafra Igbos left this forum for the naive One Nigeria chanting Igbos to defed Ndiigbo against their so called fellow countrymen Igbophobia?

But what do we get? These weak group of Igbos can't even defend Igboland from hawks in Nigerian political section of this forum. Anti Igbo peeps and posts are allowed to run amok with little or no rebuttal in the absence of pro Biafra patriotic Igbos.
Is this how this group of Igbos want to do one Nigeria with Igbophobic elements in Nigeria?

Where are the ones that call themselves "Igbo defender ", Obailala, Obikenobi1, etc ?, how come they are never found in threads like this, but rather always found in threads where they continiously push Atiku and APC agenda?

Throwback:
It is good that Azikiwe lived to see the result of his shortsighted politics in the life of his people.

It is also good that he also saw that other regions could also populate themselves in federal government jobs and positions like he was doing with his clansmen and termed as meritocracy during the independence government.

Apart from Yoruba oluwole propaganda gazette and media.
Can we get a foreign neutral media news carrying this Ikejina story, I take Yoruba narratives with a pinch of salt, knowing how liable to propaganda and propagation of Igbophobic falsehoods, you folks are.

I am waiting.

Deadlytruth:
Though I am neither Yoruba nor Igbo, my open minded research of Nigeria's history leads me to the conclusion that Nigeria's current failure as a country is 95℅ attributable to the self delusions, short-sightedness/greed and stupidity of Zik and Ironsi.
These two figures did a lot of damage to the future of the entire Southerners in the context of the North-South dichotomy.
While there are generally no heroes in Nigeria in the true sense of the word, Zik and Ironsi are relatively the worst villains whose choices and actions laid the foundations of all the present confusion, bloodshed, misrule, etc that have come to define Nigeria as a Shithole.

Lol!

Neutral? I guess Hitler too were neutral.
You fool no one, your obvious Igbophobic nature is laid bare before everyone on this forum.

If you are neutral, Igbos here would be the first to say it, and not you and your Yoruba fans.

How exactly were Zik and Ironsi the worst villains in Nigerian history?

You mind itemizing your reasons for pushing this falsehood?

ODVanguard:
Dont mind those hypocrites. That Zik loss is still paining them till today, probably as much as (if not worse than) Soyinka's Nobel laureate win against their Achebe preference. See, I am always thankful that Zik's longthroat ambition to become Western premiere was stopped in its tracks (they can continue sulking about that failure till kingdom come, na dem sabi). Else we probably wouldn't have recorded the many firsts that hallmarked Awolowo/Action Group's administrative era, like first the first T.V station in subsaharan Africa, first tallest building/skyscraper, the establishment industrial areas, etc, that are still very much around till today.

I doubt that Zik could have achieved anything close to that considering the abysmal and unimpressive legacy he left behind as premiere of the Eastern region - you can't give what you don't have. And also, thanks to that failure on his part, we have been spared what would've been another reason for them to thump their chests in our faces. They would have undoubtedly invented the narrative that it was Zik that 'developed' Ibadan and by extension the rest of the SW; a feat he failed to register in his own backyard throughout his lifetime. Little wonder they honour the likes of Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu above him even up till today, yet they expected us to gift the highest leadership position in our region to such a character?

How exactly were Zik achievement in the Eastern region, abysmal, in comparison to those of Awolowo.

Available stats had it that The Eastern region in the 60s under Zik, we're leading in most facets of development, throughout the whole country.

“Its (mass starvation) is a legitimate aspect of war (Anthony Enahoro, Nigerian Commissioner for Information at a press conference in New York, July 1968)

“Starvation is a weapon of war, and we have every intention of using it against the rebels” (Mr Alison Ayida, Head of Nigerian delegation, Niamey Peace talks, July 1968.)

“The Igbos must be considerably reduced in number”, Lagos Policeman quoted in New York Review 21 December, 1967)


“Until now efforts to relieve the Biafran people have been thwarted by the desire of the central government to pursue total and unconditional victory and by the fear of the Ibo people that surrender means wholsesale atrocities and genocide. But genocide is what is taking place right now- and starvation is the grim reaper. This is not the time to stand on ceremony, or go through channels or to observe diplomatic niceties. The destruction of an entire people is immoral objective, even in the most moral of wars. It can never be condoned”, (Richard Nixon, during the presidential campaign, September 9, 1968)

“All is fair in war, and starvation is one of the weapons of war. I don’t see why we should feed our enemies fat in order for them to fight harder”, (Chief Obafemi Awolowo, Nigerian Minister of Finance, July 28, 1969)