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RE: NigerianID | Re:Robert S. Goldstein (Biafra Public Relations Rep in the USA) - Letter of Resignation to Odumegwu Ojukwu (1968) Dr. Aluko: It is obfuscation at its most blatant to read Goldstein letter outside of the rationale for action taken by Ojukwu and the Biafran leadership. I'll attempt to answer your earlier questions posed to me alonsgide this, because they are related. - The first question was why Ojukwu did not, given that Biafra had shrunk dramatically, not surrender to save starving Biafrans.

- The second is, to link it to the substance of Goldstein's letter, why Ojukwu insisted on ceasefire and the airlift of relief to Biafrans as the only grounds or conditions for accepting relief. First, Ojukwu knew that an internationally observed ceasefire was the only guarantee for the security and safety of the Biafran. Second, the atrocities recorded wherever the federal forces liberated lent credence to that demand. In fact, it made it imperative, particularly because the Lagos regime was not prepared to negotiate in true faith for the amicable end of the conflict.

The war strategy of the Gowon administration was hell-bent on Biafra's complete surrender without guarantees. No political and military leader will agree to that kind of suicide. I'll return to this point. But let me quote from Susan Cronje's quite illuminating book, The World and Nigeria: The Diplomatic History of the Biafran war 1967-1970 ( I'd also recommend that you read the other, Biafra: Britain's Shame). Cronje writes this about the meeting in Niamey referenced by Goldstein: "The Nigerian delegation was led by Chief Awolowo, but General Gowon arrived in Niamey on 16 July and addressed the meeting as an 'observer.'

The main theme of his speech was a warning that if the 'rebels persist in their contemptuous attitude to the conference table the federal government will have no choice but to take over the remaining rebel-held areas...In military terms the rebellion is virtually suppressed already.' But the atmosphere had suibtly changed. hamani diori had altrady suggested that the committee's consultative role should be changed to a mediatory one, and after Gowon's address the committee went into closed session. Eventually it was announced that that Ojukwu had been asked to attend, and Gowon who had already returned to Lagos flew back to Niamey the following day, cancelling all engagements. His presence in Niamey was required not for a meeting with Ojukwu but to reply to a truce proposal put forward among others by General Ankrah. This called for a ten-mile wide demilitarized zone patrolled by neutral troops to allow relief supplies to pass to Biafran refugees. According to one account of the debate, Gowon is said to have turned to General Ankrah, saying, 'You are a military man: you know what it is with commanders.'

The suggestion that he might be unable to restrain his army was reinforced when he warned the committee that if it did not see things his way they would have to have 'a Nigeria without me.' According to a Niamey radio report the following day, General Gowon rejected the resolution put to him by the O.A.U. committee; the main points of this resolution were the establishment of a demilitarized zone and 'an international force which would include neutral observers acceptable to both sides.' Ghana and Cameroun, the broadcast said, had offered shipping facilities for moving relief supplies. Ojukwu arrived in Niamey on 19 July in President Houphet-Boigny's private jet.

The Biafran delegation, when it was fully assembled, included Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe, the former Nigerian president, Dr. Okpara, former Eastern Nigerian premier, Sir Louis Mbanefo, Dr. Eni Njoku and several other notables; Lagos was not far off in suggesting that the 'entire rebel leadership' had assembled in Niger. At the end of the meeting between Ojukwu and the consltative committee - Gowon had returned to Lagos two days previously - a communique was issued. Two versions appear to be in existence; the one broadcast by Niamey radio read:

(1) the Nigerian Federal Military Government and Colonel Ojukwu have agreed to meet immediately in Niamey under the chairmanship of President Diori Hamani in order to begin preliminary talks on a speedy resumption of Nigerian peace negotiations;

(2) the Nigerian Federal Military Government and Colonel Ojukwu have agreed to resume as soon as possible peace negotiations in Addis Ababa under the auspices of the O.A.U Consultative Committee on Nigeria.' The version as broadcast by Lagos - and which does not pretend to be a verbatim report - said that the committee had called on both parties to resume peace talks as soon as possible, '... with the objecvtive of preserving Nigeria's territiorial integrity and guaranteeing the security of all its inhabitants.' The committee said, according to this broadcast, that 'it will be in contact with the federal military government, and Ojukwu or his representativs may at any time contact any member government of the committee.' The Lagos version went on to cite two further point of which ther was no mention in the Niamey version, both dealing with relief, and appealing to the two sides to undertake various mesures to alleviate the suffering among war victims.

In view of the strong criticism that has been levelled at the Biafran leadership for its intrasigence, and the high praise heaped o General Gowon and his Government for humanitarian concern and magnanimity, it should be stressed that in Niamey Gowon rejected the O.A.U proposals for a partial truce and international policing of relief routes, while Ojukwu was prepared to accept both these proposals. When Ojukwu returned to Biafra, he gave a press conference at which he was asked whether his invitation to the OAU had meant any form of recognition of him. For once Ojukwu was cautious in his reply: 'Let's put it this way. My presence in Niamey for once represents the O.A.U's acceptance that there are two sides to a conflict.' He would not reveal any further details about the forthcoming Addis Ababa peace talk, but said, 'I find myself in a rather simillar situation as after Aburi.' He did not want to say anything in case Lagos started 'interpreting it, and go back to square one..." (302-303)

The foregoing provides the clear context of the situation, that it was not Ojukwu, but Gowon who rejected the proposals by which Ojukwu and the Biafran leadership was prepared to abide.The context is clearly established and makes nonsense of Golsdstein's ground for resignation.

While the Biafran government was prepared to act without precondition, the Nigerian authorities persistenly insisted on Biafran surrender. It was a deliberate and determined argument made to make certain that the only solution was by a military solution because Lagos knew that the basic grounds on which it made its offer of relief was conditional and unconscionable.

It was to disavow the very basic reason why Biafra defended itself in the first place: its sovereignty as a means to the safety, security and dignity of its population. Now, were the Gowon administration acting in good faith, that would be a differet matter. What guaratees could Biafrans have, had Ojukwu surrendered as a condition for food? None. Here is the evidence narrated by John Stremlau in his The International Politics of the Nigerian Civil War how Gowon's cable upturned the agreements reached in May 1968 in kampala between Eni Njoku and Enahoro in which Eni Njoku had in fact "conceded the evntuality of one-Nigeria."

As Stremalau notes, "Whereas Enahoro had left acceptance of the twelve-state structure implicit in his propsals, Gowon insisted that before any agreement was reached the rebels must explictly embrace the twelve states. In addition, Gowon stipulated that there would be no question of an interim commission for the rebel-held areas, there would be no recruitment and formation of Ibo units into the federal armed forces, and no elements of the rebel troops or police would be allowed to retain their arms. Gowon's instruction, which did not reach Kampala until shortly after Enahoro had made his presentation, clearly reflected the views of the more hawkish elements in the federal government" (172-173).

To put these in summary: (a) Ojukwu did not reject relief, he wanted the security and guarantee of safety for Biafrans. He was in fact willing to accept the O.A.U's proposals

(b) Gowon and the Lagos administration manipulated international propaganda, as testified in the versions of the broadcasts of the Niamey agreement to further its own goals of the liquidation of Biafra

(c) The federal government was not, in spite of all the efforts made by the Biafrans willing to negotiate peace, they were hell-bent on "surrender" as the only condition for the survival of the Biafran population.

If anybody must bear responsbility, it must be those who kept using the talks to elongate the suffering of the civilian population, and clearly this are the 'hawks" who placed the only condition for peace on Biafra's surrender and liquidation. And there, you have it.
Obi Nwakanma

diamondy:
Coup was one sided. Ibos killed sardauna , remember Late Col Adekunle Fajuyi was killed with his friend.
Young man, none of ibo leaders was killed .
As far as i am concerned Zik travelled out during that period following a tip off by overzealous ibo military hoodlums .

With key emphasis on "As far as you are concerned".

Of course, you are entitled to your own jaundiced opinions, as long as we accept they are your own opinions , nothing more and nothing less.

Northeners killed Fajuyi because he was implicated in the Nzeogwu coup, having served as mentors to Nzeogwu, Ademoyega, Ifeajuna and co, and making inputs in their coup planning stage.
He also ensured that Ironsi never brought Nzeogwu and his boys to the justice.
The North never forgave him for those actions.

As far as I'm concerned, Awolowo was the brain behind the Nzeogwu coup, using his fellow Yoruba man, Fajuyi as a point of contact.

Jaideyone:
see mumu post so you couldn't bring igbophobic threads for me to see? like the ones I showed you where your people mocked Yorubas endlessly.

as for the so called jubilation over the coup we both know that's a lie. the other regions felt wronged and that is why it was perceived as an ibo coup especially when the coup plotters were let off easily

Nairaland is littered with Igbophobic threads from Yorubas against Ndiigbo.

Why even bother posting them, when the below says it all:


“Among the large majority hailing from that tribe (Yorubas) who are most vocal in inciting the complete extermination of the Igbos, I often heard remarks that all Nigeria’s ills will be cured once the Igbos has been extaminated from the human map , ”
Dr Conor Cruise O’

7lives:
Shior I personally asked this question during my youth service and I was told that Nzeogwu's pictures were being sold in the Northern Nigerian markets.
Igbos were selling the pictures, making money and Hausas were buying and keeping in their homes, as a reminder of SCORES to settle with those who MURDERED HAUSA LEADERS and still made a show of it.
People who stick their heads our for nonsense deserves a broken head, simple.

Mister man, here is not your local Yoruba Yoruba beer parlour in Sagamu, Ogbomosho or whatever other place you lots usually crawl out from.

Provide a concrete THIRD PARTY evidence of the celebration after Nzeogwu coup being a solely Igbo celebration and not a nationwide one or take your demonic Yoruba lies elsewhere.

“Among the large majority hailing from that tribe (Yorubas) who are most vocal in inciting the complete extermination of the Igbos, I often heard remarks that all Nigeria’s ills will be cured once the Igbos has been extaminated from the human map , ”
Dr Conor Cruise O’


What's new.

These children of hate will never stop being ful of hate.

Jaideyone:
entire country my as$. how could the entire country rejoice when the northerners worship the sardauna of sokoto who was killed in the coup? how about akintola that was killed in the coup? keep lying. that's your lie number one.


and as usual you are pushing the blame to Yorubas. so the Yoruba media made the song popular in a military government where the government even decides if you will go to jail for sneezing? ibos were the ones singing hate songs not Yoruba media (lie number two).

you are just a deluded illiterate with all the other tantrums.

before Jonathan even became President in 2009 the Yorubas (Save Nigeria Group of bakare and prof Soyinka) were at the forefront of the attack on the northern cabal that refused to swear him in. Sahara reporters exposed all their gimmicks.
in 2011 Jonathan won all the states in the southwest except osun state(please confirm) but after the election your brothers mocked Yorubas on this forum when some Yoruba elders went to Jonathan to complain about being marginalised after voting in as president but voting ACN candidates as governor. check this thread below and see the reaction of your ibo brothers including the all mighty Afam4ever

https://www.nairaland.com/745731/yoruba-marginalization-elders-met-jonathan

prior to 2015 election your people labelled Yorubas Hausa slaves because we wanted an buhari to win an election as an osibanjo deputy (PAY ATTENTION TO THIS LINE).

see a thread on the attack on tinubu just for bowing to greet a man ten years older than him

https://www.nairaland.com/1027764/tinubu-bow-greeting-buhari-picture-slavery

see another thread of the same nature where Yorubas were mocked

https://www.nairaland.com/1581587/tinubu-taking-bow-nearly-kissing

so you can mock us prior to election and we can't mock you after coming or victorious in the elections? first to do no dey pain

but after Yorubas voted Jonathan out in 2015 for none performance (he only gave us FUOYE, 20% completed lag-ib expressway and Benin ore road in 6yrs) the mockery of Yorubas still continued

see IBO attacks on Dolapo osibanjo here after 2015 election
https://www.nairaland.com/3020314/slave-girl-dolapo-osinbanjo-vs

yes uwazirike's massob didn't mock Yorubas but as far back as 2012 your people were already mocking us fr the marginalisation under Jonathan and for the alliance that was about to give birth to APC calling Yorubas Hausa slaves

even before the election as far back as 2014 KANU already started his hate speech against Yorubas and hausas. so how did we start that too

see 2014 threads on radio Biafra when ibos started their hate speech unprovoked again

https://www.nairaland.com/1951830/best-radio-biafra-broadcast-15.10.2014

see another one
https://www.nairaland.com/2021540/b-r-e-k-n

the internet never forgets. your people have mocked Yorubas more than Yorubas can ever return the favour on this forum

you called us awusa slaves in 2014 now ibos are in the process of gifting another aboki the presidency till 2023 for the she VP ticket they mocked us over.


my people are not perfect but the ibos are the number one trouble makers in the country right now.

it took 3yrs of hate speech on radio Biafra before the arewa gave the quit notice while Yorubas didn't even really react to all Kanu's hate speech apart from Nairaland arguments.


I put it to you that ibos can't sit by and watch one man insult them on radio for even a month without firing back!!!

ibos are the number one trouble makers!!!

Gowon’s Mid-West State Governor (1967-1975) and Abachsa’s Labour and Productivity Minister, Brigadier Samuel Osaigbovo Ogbemudia (Retd.), who by his own admission was hardened to believe in the sweet innocence of Nigerian soldiers until January 15, 1966, recollects the early “ecstatic jubilation” that greeted the putsch by all and sundry. The Benin-born retired soldier ominously comes clean in his 272-page book, Years of Challenge (Heinemann Educational Books, 1991):


Also, Alhaji Tanko Yakassai (b. 1926), NEPU’s second-in-command to Mallam Aminu Kano (1920-1983), who geared the Northerners towards pulling off the pogrom that followed (See African Revolutionary: Life and Times of Nigeria’s Aminu Kano by Alan Feinstein (b. 1931), claims in The Story of a Humble Life: An Auto-biography, Vol. I (Amana Publishers, 2004), that:

“At the beginning, most NEPU members were happy with the military takeover. It was only after some few days that they started to think twice about the situation…the way some Igbo traders at Sabongari market in Kano started to treat Northerners.”


So yes! There was earlier nationwide celebration, until demonic people decided to single Igbos out and started spreading Igbo agenda propaganda.

On the Yoruba hateful black Igbophobic heart :


“Among the large majority hailing from that tribe (Yorubas) who are most vocal in inciting the complete extermination of the Igbos, I often heard remarks that all Nigeria’s ills will be cured once the Igbos has been extaminated from the human map , ”
Dr Conor Cruise O’



It was Dr Akunyili and not your powerless circus called SNG, that rubbished the Turai kitchen cabinet and called them out to order.


What made Afam almighty? Because you want to use his views to represent those of all Igbos?
Never did GEJ maltreat Yorubas, he vigorously pushed for Mulikat to become the speaker of house of reps, which would have made Yorubas higher ranked in his government than Igbos, but Tinubu and Yorubas scuttled it, Preferring Tambuwal instead.
You cries of marginalization under GEJ was aptly represented by this saying : "To those used to privilege, equity looks like injustice".
You were already used to having lionshare in the South, GEJ brought equity to proceedings and you were crying foul, because equity meant that you had to give up on the excesses you had previously enjoyed, and it didn't seat well with you greedy lots.

Before GEJ came to fore front of Nigerian politics, Yorubas had been at the forefront of Igbophobic agenda.
See this thread :
https://www.nairaland.com/3846933/trip-memory-nnamdi-kanu-started


You had been raining down hate speech on Igbos, right from the days of Ojukwu, when you were the most vocal group in calling for Igbo extermination in Nigeria, to the days of Uwazuruike, when you lots were all over the internet calling for Uwazuruike and MASSOB death even when Uwazuruike never mentioned, let alone insult Yorubas.
Kanu was a part of MASSOB and witnessed your hate first hand.
Your hate created Kanu hate towards you. You can't continiously dish out hate and be expecting love in return.

As for who are the number one trouble makers of problem of Nigeria.
Here is your Fulani master speaking :http://pointblanknews.com/pbn/exclusive/yorubas-are-the-problem-with-nigeria-says-sanusi-lamido-sanusi/

I need not add more

davidoooo:
You are an afonja for believing the propaganda that Ikwerre are not igbos.
If Chibuike Ameachi could tell you that Ikwerre are igbos then you should believe it.
This is the video below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-Nkk_I8eo

Stop being easily manipulated.
He said that to justify exclusion of SE from the Rail line by APC government.

Amaechi is a typical cunning Ikwerre man.

Here is your Amaechi making the usual anti Igbo slurs to please his fellow "Riversmen" and other Nigerians.
as is the culture of the APC”, he said.
http://scannewsnigeria.com/featured-post/president-jonathan-developing-the-biafrans-only-gov-amaechi/

Igbo tag is not a franchise, you lots should stop selling it to non Igbos Biko, especially when they need Igbo support.


When you have time, go and look for U tube video of Celestine Omehia address to Ogbakor Ikwerre in US, earlier this year.

davidoooo:
Afonjas stop dividing igbos.
Ezenwo nyeson wike is an igbo man from ikwerre clan.
We ikwerre are igbos.
The word Ikwerre means in igbo, as if you are asking a question and some one from Imo state answers you Nkwerre which is also a local government in Imo state.
Port Harcourt is part of Igbo land.
Infact 70% of rivers state indigines are igbos.

Ikwerre is not Igbo.
Don't be naive.

Wike doesn't identify as ethnic Igbo

Majority of Ikwerre people are voraciously Igbophobic and would violently oppose you with great animosity, if you try to suggest they are Igbos.

We don't need Wike or his Ikwerre people, stop Making Ndiigbo pawns in these minorities chess board.

Wike and his fellow Rivers people should go fight their battle with Yorubas.
No sensible Igbo should involve Ndiigbo in that imbroglio they are currently having with Yorubas.


And by the way, next time before you call someone an afonja, try and go through their profile for previous old posts.

Jaideyone:
you see the typical ibo man. he will blame everyone else but himself.

After the Nzeogwu's coup ibos in the north celebrated and mocked the northerners. the ibo coup was in January and riots and killings targetted at the ibos didn't start until may that year. have you ever asked yourself why? that's because ibos refused to let the pain of the coup go away. northerners were mocked on how Nzeogwu killed their sardauna.

the average ibo person is just like a wife that will mock you and laugh about your pains. she will sing songs to spite you just like ibos had songs mocking the death of the sardauna but the moment you lay your hands on her and start beating her she will cry for the whole neighbourhood to hear (same way you start calling ICC and UN when the heat is too much for you to take).

this is exactly the same way KANU started insulting and mocking Yorubas and Hausas in 2014. I listened to radio baifra live in imo state and on the internet whenever I'm in calabar. No one called him to order. when the northerners gave a quit notice everyone started blaming the north while forgetting that the sees of hate was planted as early as 2014.

you people should learn to accept your fault too. you are far from perfect!!!

The entire country rejoiced after the Nzeogwu coup until evil people decided to single Igbos out by creating a phantom Igbo agenda out of the coup.
No evidence whatsoever of Igbos taunting northerners, the song called "Ewu na ebe Akwa " song used as a propaganda by Yoruba controlled media was sang by a Kalabari man and had nothing to do with the coup.
You simply regurgitating the demonic Igbophobic agenda your hateful fore runners handed over to you.

Really? Yet NL is filled with threads of Yorubas mocking Igbos and celebrating their supposed victory ever since Buhari defeated GEJ in 2015. All glaring injustice against Ndiigbo had been justified by Yorubas on social media with great taunting and mockery of the Igbo misfortunes. Perhaps, it's time you take a look at the mirror.

Uwazuruike didn't mock Yorubas, yet Yorubas were at the forefront of the media attack against Uwazuruike and MASSOB with many of them calling for police brutality to be meted at him and his group, and they all rejoiced and taunted Ndiigbo on and off this forum when the NPF eventually started malhandling MASSOB members leading to incarceration and death of many of their members, including the incarceration of Uwazuruike himself.
Kanu was part of that MASSOB and witnessed first hand the demonic tendencies of you people, little wonder he was out for you from day.
Actions would always elicit reactions. You don't hate people, put planner in their wheels and expect no reaction and backlash from them.

You are simply a reflection of the average man from your group. Always out to blame others but yourself, always expecting love in exchange for your hate.

3html:
My brother go and sleep...... Ezenwo Nyesome Wike is a full blooded igbo man stop allowing the divide and rule tactics initiatiated by the northern cabal after the Civil War create division among igbos.

If Ezenwo Nzenwo wike was probably caught in India with hard drugs they won't care if he is an ikwere man but will remember him as an igbo with the popular saying on nairaland na them fla-tties, IPOB, miscreants, developers even when Nzeogwu chukwuemeka who is clearly from Delta State then Mid West carried a coup he was tag an igbo man,every igbo man in North was killed

If by any chance riot broke out in any Northern state e.g Kano, do you think the average hausa man knows anything like ikwere or SS?

Ezenwo is Ikwerre. He had always maintained that. We must deal with that reality and stop being politically naive.

It doesn't matter what Yorubas see Wike or his Ikwerre people as, what matters is what they see themselves as.

Ndiigbo should let Wike and His Ikwerre people fight their own battles, if the table change, they won't fight ours.

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okway:
Any Yoruba man that doesn't learn from Ibo + GEJ and Ibo + Wike sagas is very stupid.


It's very open and obvious that given the position, Ibos will try to bury Yorubas out of jealousy, envy and hatred.

Ibos have never meant well for Yorubas, while Yorubas like FFK, Fayose, Saraki, Afenifere etc continues to speak out for Ibos. This has to stop and well-meaning Yorubas have to stop these fools from supporting people who perceive Yorubas as enemies.

Buhari has nothing to offer Nigeria.
However, PDP has nothing to offer SW too. SW still has something to gain from APC.
Therefore, we will pour our energy to vote APC and to survive politically.

SW PDP needs to scrap itself and start afresh. Create a regional party that focuses on the SW regional interest. They can eventual branch nationwide. But PDP has nothing to offer the SW. Yorubas are brilliant, persistent and survivors. We will survive this.

PDP belongs to Wike and Ibos. Let's see what they do with it.

Please do pour all your energy, gusto, strength, water, fire etc into APC, it's your prerogative. It wouldn't matter in the end, as there is no hope for Nigeria, though I know you already know this.

Just face Wike his Ikwerre and SS people ( Secondus people).

They are the ones that used Rivers state treasury to wrestle the PDP chairmanship position from you, as non of your PDP men control SW cash cow states of Lagos or Ogun, to match Wike financial might.
Nigeria politics is a cash and carry type, after all.


But do leave Ndiigbo out of your wahala, we are not the source of your injury, Wike and his SS people are, face your battle with them and let Ndiigbo be.

Atiku and PDP are yet to pick an Igbo VP, until he does, Ndiigbo have no reason taking bullets for Wike and his SS brother( Uche Secondus) fight with Yorubas.
If the tables were turned, these people would not fight for Ndiigbo.

In life you don't box yourself in one corner, you create many escape angles.

So, I don't understand why Ndiigbo are hell bent on boxing us into one corner, leaving us with only one card to play.

A better strategy would be to keep our cards close to our chests by letting Yoruba and Ikwerre/SS people sort themselves out, without picking sides, while we work for the VP slot in PDP.

Sometimes, it's best to stayout of the cross fire zone, but Ndiigbo continuously get us into the cross fire zone.

This needs to stop. Let Yorubas fight their battle with Wike. Wike is Ikwerre not Igbo, don't buy trouble for us.

I had watched sadly from the sidelines as events unfolded following the recent PDP convention where non Igbos from SS got one over the Yoruba PDP caucus.
It was indeed interesting as Wike now fully incharge of Rivers state treasury like Amaechi was was, flexed his financial powers and translated that into political power, aided by the "cash and carry" politics of Nigeria.

Naturally I am apathic to any thing that has to do with Nigeria, as I see no future hope for Nigeria, but I had to break my silence, after watching from the sidelines how Ndiigbo had been shooting ourselves on the foot again and setting us up for national backlash via unintelligent political calculations.
This is majorly highlighted by the manner Igbo persons all over the Nigerian social media had hijacked an other wise battle between SS people and Yorubas and turned it into an Igbo vs Yoruba battle.

Having observed this trend, the following questions came to mind.



Is Wike Igbo? Cos last time I checked, he isn't.
So why are Igbos being dragged to Wike/Secondus mess, and why are some Igbos taking the bullet for Wike and his Ikwerre people?

Ndiigbo, emelu unu ya eme?

Why can't you learn to choose you fight? This fight should be an Ikwerre Vs Yoruba fight, with Ikwerre warlords like HopeAthand fighting for their brother, and other we SS people supporting him, instead Ndiigbo bought the fight, while these people ( Ikwerre and SS people) sat back and watch you take the bullets from the sidelines.
When the dust settles, Ndiigbo becomes the scape goat, while Ikwerre and SS people goes behind the scenes to get crumbs off the table of the ruling government, while not forgetting to display Igbophobia to please the Yorubas and other Nigerians.

Haven't we been down this line with GEJ before?
Why do we purposely make ourselves pawns in people's political chess board?

The way Ndiigbo are vocal all over the internet defending Wike and Secondus, one could have easily mistaken them for Igbo persons, when they are not.

Ife aga eme unu ugbolo one tupu unu amalu ife, umu Igbo?

Tufia!
Obulu ogwu na oya ele.

Atiku and PDP are yet to pick an Igbo VP, until he does, Ndiigbo have no reason taking bullets for Wike and his SS brother( Uche Secondus) fight with Yorubas.
If the tables were turned, these people would not fight for Ndiigbo.

Let's be wise for once kwanu.

Is Wike Igbo? Cos last time I checked, he isn't.
So why are Igbos being dragged to this thread and why are some Igbos taking the bullet for Wike and his Ikwerre people?

Ndiigbo, emelu unu ya eme?

Why can't you learn to choose you fight? This thread should be an Ikwerre Vs Yoruba fight, with Ikwerre warlords like HopeAthand fighting for their brother, and other we SS people supporting him, instead Ndiigbo bought the fight, while these people ( Ikwerre and SS people) sat back and watch you take the bullets from the sidelines.
When the dust settles, Ndiigbo becomes the scape goat, while Ikwerre and SS people goes behind the scenes to get crumbs off the table of the ruling government, while not forgetting to display Igbophobia to please the Yorubas and other Nigerians.

Haven't we been down this line with GEJ before?
Why do we purposely make ourselves pawns in people's political chess board?

The way Ndiigbo are vocal all over the internet defending Wike and Secondus, one could have easily mistaken them for Igbo persons, when they are not.

Ife aga eme unu ugbolo one tupu unu amalu ife, umu Igbo?

Tufia!
Obulu ogwu na oya ele.

I'm yet to understand why common folks are jumping up and down over Nigerian politics.

It boggles my mind.
APC and PDP are two sides of same coin. None would improve the lot of the commoners, they serve the interest of the imperial masters and the few rulling elites.

Why are common folks this naive?

Delusional thread.

Nigeria is a poor third world country, still under colonial British and now USA imperialist control.

She can't help herself, let alone any one else.

Interesting

horsepower101:
Please igbos have no issue with ijaws when it comes to port harcourt. This is an ikwerre issue and ijaws because ikwerres are their own ethnic group and are more than capable of standing on their own.

As For other Igbo clans in Rivers state whom identify with the rest of their igbo brothers and sisters in the south east and south south, fear not because we always have your back. If anyone tries to mess with you, we will come after them with full force.

Gbam!

Please no one should involve Ndiigbo in Ijaw-Edo fracas or Ijaw-Ikwerre palava.

Ndiigbo have nothing to do with that.

Igbos here trying hard to involve Ndiigbo in issue we have nothing to do with should go and take their cloths where they bathed.

Two lesbian lovers sharing their artificially inseminated pregnancy with the world?

asorocker:
When Igbo's wanted to leave Lagos and Nigeria for them , what happened. Even nnamdi KANU who wanted to pull Igbo's out was labelled a terrorist by the same people

Why are you supporting Obiano tactless lacking in wisdom ranting?
Does Obiano believe in your Biafra or Kanu?

Obiano speech displayed lack of tact and wisdom.

What exactly was he expecting to achieve with such?

Please Nwanne, don't support rubbish.

Thread is on point

laribari:
You obviously do not know what you are saying. The picture isn't just igbo but it's about kanu and biafra. The OP compared kanu to a king in terms of homage and many people like you try to justify the kind of worship kanu receives which I believe is wrong. Is kanu a king? A high priest according to your claim?

Mr man, use your head. This thread is first about kanu and biafra before it is about igbos.

The people defending kanu ARE OBVIOUSLY BIAFRA SUPPORTERS and kanu fan boys. This first has nothing to do with igbos. The op compared kanu to a crowned king. Instead of you to see reason, receive sense and move on, you went about telling me how igbos prostrate. Mr man, igbos are not known to prostrate. It is not their thing period.

If they prostrate, it is on very very rare occasion as cited that they do to a priest but that is trash. Anybody can prostrate to a deity in worship inside or out a shrine. Is kanu a deity or a king? Someone claimed kanu is a prince and we didn't know that since? So?? Is he an heir to any throne?

This thread centers on kanu/biafra leader.

Argue all you want, but igbos are not traditionally known to prostrate while greeting. I have never seen one in an everyday life activity. You are here arguing rubbish becos of pride.


Comparing kanu to a crowned king of ife was where you first lost it. Even before we see that king as a yoruba man, he is first a king and king are being bowed to cos it's their kingdom and it has nothing to do with him being a yoruba man or not. U bow to a king irrespective of tribe. You consider him being a king, before even saying whether he is yoruba or not. Likewise, not bring tribe or igbo into it, is kanu a king? Why compare him to a crowned God?

Kings are like gods, they own everything and their people are subject before them. Who is kanu? This thread is first abt kanu before considering whether he is igbo or not.

Let me ask you. Do you prostrate to your parents when you greet them? All your uncles, do you prostrate to them? Does your younger ones prostrate to you? Becos now u like to argue.

My point is clear.

1. Politically, Kanu can't be worshipped like a king becos he is not one and comparing him to a crowned king is madness.

2. Even if we go tribal, he can't be worshipped too because it's not a day to day activity of igbos to prostrate to people except you are in a high place of religious power or traditional power (as you claim) which kanu is not.

Which king does kanu rule over? Biafra kingdom!

You just typed another incoherent verbose post.

You still don't get it. People don't get protratated to in Igboland because they are kings or because they are elders.
They get prostrated to on rare occasions on account of appreciation for a favour done.
Kanu gets prostrated to by his followers because they believe he did them a great favour becoming their spokesman and taking upon himself the dangers being their vocal representative.

Kings are only important in their domain. Yoruba kings will command no respect from the average Igbo man from the street. But Kanu would.
Kings are being bowed to by their subjects because they respect them.
If I meet Ife king I wouldn't bow to him, as I don't consider him god or to have done anything for me to warrant bowing down to him. Bowing down in Igbo culture is related to appreciation for a favour done, not on nonsensical god status or divine coronation or chronological age attainment .

A people or group reserve the right to chose who to give their respect to based on criteria that suits them.

You reserve to prostate to mere mortals based on nonsensical belief of god status and divine coronation, another decided to prostrate to another man in appreciation for a perceived favor rendered.

In a rational world where people use their brains, this shouldn't be an issue for discussion, but it's arising here because of lack of common sense amongst many.


The picture isn't about Igbo, yet you were already talking trash about Igbo leaders and comparing Igboland with Calabar and the rest . Are Igbo leaders Biafra supporters as well? You see how unreasonable you sound?

You deceive no one but yourself.

And your points are still invalid

1. Politically Kanu can be prostrated to, and if he steps out today, thousands, if not Millions of his supporters would still prostrate for him, because he commands their respect, and they won't prostrate to your Oni, Oba, Enogie or as the case might be, because they are persona non gratas to them.

2. Culturally Kanu can be prostrated to, by those whose respect he commands, those who feel indebted to him for choosing the uneasy task of being their spokesperson.

laribari:
School what? Who igbo custom epp? Abeg bounce. You don't have point. You see me like a push over? U are always talking like you know everything, even things about me. Pls go vulgar!

Which correction are you talking about? I made very valid points on my very first post but you personalized it and tell me that I'm trying to be igbo or something like that. Telling me to stay off igbo issues. What right do you have? I gave my opinion like anyone else but you want to run the rule over me here. Didn't you deviate too?

In fact, no need for plenty talk. Biafra is history and the anambra election wasn't boycotted as a sign to show the defeat of biafra.

This thread is abt kanu and that calls biafra or Nigeria to mind. I'm very well within context.

How exactly are your points valid?

You said Igbos don't prostrate for any reason for any body, I had debunked your claim, citing instances where prostration is allowed in Igboland and then I linked it up with the NK and IPOB scenario.
Many well bred Igbo man who grew up in rural areas know this.

Then rather than accept this fact, you went about telling me how you are related to Igbo.
Then I asked how does you being related to Igbos or not change the fact that your first assertion was invalid.

Since then, all you had done is shout Biafra this Biafra that, trying to score cheap points, and when you think it's not working, you removed your Biafraphobia toga to reveal your innate Igbophobia by going on to tell me how Calabar and the rest are supposedly doing better than Ndiigbo.
Like how exactly is that related to the point I'm trying to make you grasp, which is that your first post here was invalid, and infact, a misrepresentation of Ndiigbo and our ways?

"Go and sit down jare and as per your biafran dream, just forget it. You that can't organize your state, you think biafra is a short cut to good life.

Look at what calabar, Akwa Ibom and Lagos have become because their leaders have brains to think".



As for your above senseless quote , I already know that Biafraphobia is a fancy way Igbophobic peeps use to hide their innate Igbophobia, so I'm not in anyway surprised.

laribari:
Hahahaha! Support? I'm just stating fact and was proven right. You wey support biafra, who your support epp? Many fools died in the process too. How can sane people challenge men with gun? Arrogance has eaten you lot and you claim to be beta than everyone else which is the igbo problem. Arrogance and pride. I tell my friends and some also admit it. I don't need your seal of approval to have knowledge abt igbo. Who you be? Who know you?

All my life, I have dealing with igbos and I know them wella. Both their good and bad side. You have even exhibited a trait here. Arrogance! That's una logo.. telling me to stay off igbo matters on a public forum. Talking as if being igbo makes you enter heaven. Im not surprised, I tell my friends and some admit it. The average igbo man is arrogant and that was what killed kanu. Overing pushing his luck, even when dem dey beg am to calm down.

I'm not supporting anyone because the army or buhari doesn't need my support to handle biafra.

You obviously don't use your brains. This is a public forum and even Nigerians comment on Zimbabwean issues. Do they have to be Zimbabweans to talk? You talk abt donald trump. Are u an American? Why you dey shook mouth? Is Nairaland an igbo man forum? WHY ARE YOU HERE, since you want to do exclusive igbo? Anu-ofia.

Why is biafra begging UN to help them? Is UN an igbo man association? So they can talk on igbo matters but me don't have right to talk? Ewu Namibia. Listen to yoursef.

I'm free to comment on anything be it igbo or not. If dem do well I go hail them but if na nonsense I go blast dem. Deal with it. I'm not a tribalist I'm just commenting and it's my opinion, irrespective of tribe, religion or whatsoever.

Who cares whether Nigeria failed or not? It's not new naa and whether agree or not even the igbo just like every other tribe contributed to destroying Nigeria, so blaming it on others is nonsense. All the money wey igbo senators and ministers don steal nkor? Go and sit down jare and as per your biafran dream, just forget it. You that can't organize your state, you think biafra is a short cut to good life.

Look at what calabar, Akwa Ibom and Lagos have become because their leaders have brains to think.

I had tried as much as possible to be civil with you, and I would appreciate you keep this discussion civil without unnecessary use of expletives like "Ewu this" and Anuofia that. Believe me, if I go vulgar with you, you won't be able to stand the heat.

Furthermore, you had deviated this discussion to Biafra /Nigeria issue to deflect your error, this is typical Nigerian behavior that had resulted in the country remaining a failed Third World entity.

You misrepresented Igbo customs and traditions, I pointed this out to you and schooled you on Igbo customs and traditions, rather than take your correction in peace, you veered off telling me about how you have Igbo in-laws, and how you had spent time in Igboland, like any of those have anything to do with your misrepresentation of Igbo customs
And all till now, all you had done was raise unnecessary issues to avoid conceding the fact that you misrepresnted Igbo customs.

A more reasonable person would have taken correction offered, and maybe gone on a personal search to verify them, but you are a typical Nigerian, and so here we are.

laribari:
Bro, you know nothing abt me so shut up pls. Do you know where I was born? I have stayed in ebonyi state, been to Enugu, owerri and spent an holiday with my in-laws in ukpiri-alala (abia state), it's like my second home. Even onitsha was my backyard when I was hustli for cash during my campus days. I have igbo in-laws as well as yorubas too. That still doesn't mean will be foolish enuf to support everything igbo. On biafra-kanu issue, it's a no. Deal with it.


I am not stupid period. Biafra can't work and I have real reasons why it can't. Just one solid reason, so no need for sentiment.

What has my affiliation with igbos done for me? Not like my in-laws help me to the job I have today. Abeg jare, who igbo epp? Nigeria nor epp person na tribe wan help.

Don't get it twisted, igbo is beautiful but don't sound like it is heaven. I contribute to any trending topic.

Lol!
I see no connection between this your post and mine.

You know Biafra won't work? Maybe you are a prophet

But one thing is, one doesn't need to be a prophet to know that Nigeria had never worked and is currently not working, so who cares if Biafra would work or not?

You can have Igbo Saviors as well, it is irrelevant to this discussion. The crux of this discussion is that you are not Igbo and from your first post here, it's obvious you don't know enough about Igbo customs, irrespective of how long you claimed to have stayed in Igboland or attached to Igbo persons.

No body is asking for your support in anything Igbo, "who your support epp", " you don baff "? We are just saying that you should stop pretending to be versed in the knowledge of the Igbo ways, and hence go about misreprenting Igbo customs and traditions.
Face your Igbanke, Ika or whatever it is you subscribe to, and leave Igbo issues alone.

laribari:
Geez!! You are a clown Bro. Claim igbo? I'm an IKA man and we speak anioma wella, so I'm not claiming shiit.

Who igbo epp? I'm on the side of truth and simple reasoning. I am closer to igbos than yorubas in terms of culture, food, native attire, style of music and even language. However, I'm not blinded like many which is why I still think biafra can't work. Many called me names but today I'm justified. I nor dey claim anything oo, but the only think be say I'm Nigerian. Period.

I love igbos deeply, I love yorubas as they are easy going and I love hausa (even though they are annoying at times).

I speak all languages, even the igbo you are talking about.

Exactly. You are not Igbo, claiming to know about the Igbo is not good enough, cos apparently, you know next to nothing about the Igbo. I honestly doubt if you had even crossed the river Niger all your life, let alone spending time in SE to know about the people.
You come off as someone whose knowledge about the Igbo were all learned from little interactions from Igbo friends outside Igboland and through the media.

You didn't help Igbo either, instead you always here on Igbo affairs crying more than the beareved, we would appreciate if you stop claiming to know or understand Igbo ways, since it's obvious you know nada about us.

Many none Igbo speaking clans are also closer to Igbos than others. The Legbo people of Cross Rivers are very close to Igbos, the Ogoni of Eleme have many Igbo elements.
Does that now give any of them right to start claiming to understand the Igbo ways more than Igbos themselves?

Bia, enyia, jee gbalu ogwu gi nuo.
You can speak whatever language you want to, Igbo is a beautiful language, so I can understand why a non Igbo would want to learn it. Damn, we even many Bini descendants who forsook their Bini language and chose versions of the sexy Igbo language as their native language, without being colonized by Igbos.

Biafra might or might not work, we are not sure about that, as Biafra is yet to become an independent country. But what we all know and what is the reality, is that Nigeria has not worked since independent, she has been a failed Third World country, when the likes of Malaysia and Singapore she started the journey with had all evolved into second and third world countries, respectively.
The worst Biafra will do is become a third world country like Nigeria.

I don't remember seeing anyone forcing you to be Biafran, so I don't understand what the affirmation of your dying Nigeria identity is supposed to mean.
Or is that your own subtle way of forcing your expired Nigeria identity on dissenting Igbos?

laribari:
Ewu Zimbabwe, who told you I don't know about igbo culture? Is it different from delta ibo?

Wasn't it God who ordained David? He sent the prophet to the house of Jesse to establish a throne there. Go and read your bible abeg.

Lol!

Not everyone believes your Bible stories.

Kings are man made , we know this already.

I understand you are from Edo Igbo, Igbanke to be precise.
I know your type well, you only claim Igbo when you think there is an advantage to be gained from such .

Like now, you are claiming Igbo because you think claiming so gives weight to your argument just like many Northern and Yoruba persons who impersonate Igbos here.

If you are truly Igbo, then you would know that Igbo culture exist in a continuum, being a bit Edoid at the extreme west of Igboland that Igbanke and Ika represents to being a bit Ibibiod at the extreme East, represented by Arochukwu and Abriba groups .

It's a continuum, such that what is obtainable in different parts of Igboland varies according to distance between two or more Igbo speaking groups.

What I just gave you is a picture of what is obtainable in my part of Igboland, it might not necessarily be obtainable in your own part.

laribari:
Why are you embarrassing yoursef now? Do you know who a king is? Isn't it God that established thrones? When you great a king you can't stand bfore him. However, yorubas are known to prostrate to their elders and even during wedding ceremony. You will prostrate but the igbos don't even bow or prostrate to their biological parents during greeting as they have their own way of showing respect to elders and that is in the name (like diokpa or dea-de) or the way they address elders or shake elders with two hands.

Kanu is no royalty but was made a deity and it's shocking to me. Maybe kanu didn't asked to be worshipped but the people doing it as just stupid.

Please you are not Igbo. Try and stay off Igbo topics, especially one you are very ignorant about.

God didn't establish any thrones on earth. Men with influence over others did and used dubious divine right to back up their power. Power had always recided amongst the powerful.

Igbos don't always prostrate to elders during greetings, but there are occasions when an Igbo can prostrate for another.
One of this occasion is when the person did you a big favour and you want to show deep appreciation, then it's normal to prostrate, irrespective of the person age, in show and display of deep appreciation.
Igbos also prostrate to Chief priests in recognition of the favour the gods the Chief priests serve did them or in total submission to the power of the gods the Chief priests are believed to wield.

Kanu is a son of a royalty, so he is a royalty, and what's more, his followers show him respect for doing them the favour of being their spokesperson, who said things, they themselves say in dark but couldn't do same in open for fear of Nigerian authorities suppression and punishment.

Kanu is also believed by his followers to have been divine sent to free Biafrans from the shackles of failed Nigeria experiment, ridiculous? Well not more ridiculous than your belief that Oni and indeed other kings in earth were divinely set up.

So yes, if you believe that an Oni that had contributed nothing to humanity is worthy of respect, simply because he is a Yoruba king, then you must also recognize that Kanu deserves the respect he gets from his followers, on account of his role of playing the role of the voice of his followers who had been disillusioned by Nigeria's failures.

Udo.

mavinc4u:
I am old enough to be your grand mother. let me know when you are less busy so i can give you enough tutor. you know nothing, absolutely nothing. ask questions first to know your identity, you would be surprised at the answer you will get.

Why waste your time. He isn't Even Igbo.

Akanu Ibiam was a man of high integrity, who rejected the honour given to him by British empire, as a Member of the Order of British Empire, OBE, in defiance to British role in Nigeria invasion and genocide in Biafra.

How Ironic is it that political jobbers who for crumbs are frolicking with a man who sanctioned the massacre of their people, and had championed their political marginalization are the ones building a statue for Akanu Ibiam.

Do these jobless shameless political jobbers masking as political leaders in Igboland today, really know the meaning of integrity and other things Akanu Ibiam emboldened?

Chai! Iheukwu mere na ala Igbo. Mmili nwe maa efi n'anya!
Ndi mpu ala nwe buluzie ndi ndu ala!

https://www.nairaland.com/3721977/protest-letter-dr-francis-akanu

Akanu Ibiam, a true Igbo leader could say No to the queen and the mighty British empire.
Igbo corrupt political jobbers masking as political leaders can't say no to a local Fulani man ruling a third world country.

Says alot about the decay of the Igbo society since it was invaded and assimilated into Nigeria.

Ladyjumong:
Dnt blame me, that guy is annoying.

I blame you.

The guy was baiting you. And you fell hook, line and sinker for his cheap gimmicks.

What proof do you even have that the guy is an Igbo, let alone from Anambra?

Can't you see beyond the present into the future?
If he gets you to say trash things about Ndi Anambra, and you do, then you are emotionally fragile, and the consequences would be other emotionally fragile people from Anambra jumping in to bash your own part of Igboland.
And before you know it, the thread would degenerate to Igbos bashing each other thread, then they( those who played on your fragile emotions) would relax and watch the drama. While they tell you that Igbo independent nation can't stand, since we can't even unite and recognize impostors on our midst always eager to set us on each other's throat by hiding behind a fake veneer of Igbo identity

Can't you see? You were played, and you fell for it. You should be better than this.

Our unity scare these people. Beware of monikers on this thread and forum that are always quick to start Igbo vs Igbo bashing, that goes to every thread claiming they are from Anambra and Igbo, even when no one asked them and then bashing other Igbo groups, hoping to start intra Igbo bashing threads.

Be wiser.

Ladyjumong:
yeah they got alot of traitors despite any situation good or bad, doesnt mean i should side with my brother's enemy to laugh and talk trash about him and likewise plan his downfall. i was never a fan of all these biafran issues, buh i would never stand any other tribe talk trash about my brothers even if they go wrong. your types are one the reason why i do regret being igbo at times.

Stop being gullible.

You are falling for the divide and conquer tactics. Be wiser.

Look at how your lack of tact allowed these one Nigeria advocates to gain foothold on this thread.

Stop being naive and learn the dirty tricks of our enemies.