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ezenaija:
SouthEast is actually the most ignorant part of the country when it comes to politics. I know because I'm from there.

From your post, it doesn't sound like you know anything.

Probz:
I'm not saying I don't agree. I just don't think the OP has an Oduduwa agenda and I song think s/he had that in mind when s/he started this thread.

Ok. Good. Then it's only apt that he/she be flogged with the cane of facts and figures by exposed Igbo sons here.

This is the ICT age.

Probz:
According to the official census of Nigeria. I'm not saying it's true or it isn't but you can't blame the OP.

No official census of Nigeria said such.
Nigeria never included ethnicity in its Population parameters.
The Info is a Yoruba propaganda that had been allowed to go on unchallenged overtime, and before time started taking the form of fact in the minds of the unexposed

I questioned and debunked that propaganda here:
https://www.nairaland.com/3400415/1931-population-figures-nigerian-ethnic

DonCortino:
Igbos are found also in rivers, delta parts of benue, kogi and akwa ibom!

Cross River too.

In what planet is Yoruba more popular than Ndiigbo.
Piece of garbage article.
OP needs a mini mental examination.

So Nduchucks is still alive? Old soldier never die.

On the map:
Ndiigbo will not accept any arrangement that will politically keep Delta North isolated from the SE again.
So, I'd suggest you take back the Tiv/Idoma into Central, leave Delta North in South East , Igbo parts of Benue, Edo, carved into SE too.

Carve out The Isoko/Urhobos/Ijaws/Edos out of SE, they can either stand on their own or merged with SW
I wouldn't mind having the Akwa-Cross in SE, if they wish to join us, after all, the old Cross River state was once called SE state, and geographically speaking,,Akwa-Cross area is more SEastern than Igboland.

Of course, all these are temporary measures, as self determination remains the ultimate goal for Ndiigbo.

OP. Some argue that those were not real census figures, but rather estimate figures by the British.

Well, it was first Western Igbo when they were in Western region, then it became Mid western Igbo after the Midwest was created, then Bendel Igbos, when the Midwest was renamed Bendel by Gowon, and now Delta Igbos following the creation of Delta from the old Bendel state.
I'm sure that by the time Anioma state is created, it will become Anioma-Igbos.

Saraki is supposedly a Yoruba man from
Kwara state. I dont see why Yorubas should have issues with him( Osibanjo) stepping aside for Saraki, or are Kwara Yorubas nolonger Yorubas?

Malawian:
Even when Moses was leading the Israelites out of Egypt, some of them wanted to return to Egypt. this is nothing new.

True. Some felt the pains and suffering of the exodus journey, was more excruciating than the humiliation and marginalization they were getting in Egypt.
They forgot that in Exodus, they have hope of reaching a promise land, where as, in Egypt, their status quo would have remained same forever.

Nigeria represents Egypt,in Nigeria our status quo will remain same forever, as Nigeria is a failed country.
Where as in our promise land, the land of the rising sun, the possibilities of greatness are limitless.

Iykopeee:
Those who prefer to stay in Nigeria shud stay and let those who want out go their way. No need writing lenghty rubbish everyday against Biafra.

Perfectly said.
There are Jews who had decided to stay put in wherever they are located, rather than return to Israel. All Jews must not be part of Israel.

Charly boy loves Nigeria and Lagos, we understand, he should stay put, I'm sure his Yoruba friends would happily give him citizenship in Arewa-Oduanistan, he should let the rest of us have Biafra, one mustn't be sacrificed for the other.

Poweredbrew:
Pain? Buhahahaha. Pazienza, you are the one in pains, denying your ugly self cos of shame. I don laugh tire.

This your obsession with Pazienza is Damn hilarious
An ugly old man for that matter.

Poweredbrew:
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Typical Ibo, their flat head is filled with lies. The jobless troll cant say amen, why denying yourself? You see why everyone disgrace you here cos you are not even proud of yourself.

You are starting to do like the animal Ojukwu of cursed memory, who ran away from war dressed like an Allen avenue olosho, and later died senile, crippled, deranged, deaf, blind and dumb while FFK pummel his wife. Lmaoooo

That my last line pain am wella.

Poweredbrew:
May you die a miserable death if you are same person as pazienza. Say amen!!! I know why you are denying yourself, you are ashamed of your ugly self, 20s indeed. Chaiii. Lmaooooo. Just say Amen!!!

Haha! Why are you dying on top the old man's matter.
I'd be delighted to be everything the man is. . Seeing as he represents torment and frustration to Igbophobic entities.

By the way, what is it with you people and miserable death, you want to take Otapiapia on top this matter like someone in Nigerian history?

Poweredbrew:
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Its rare to see an ipob with a working brain. Saying the obvious is now dying on top his matter? You were exposed here by your fellow ipobs and quickly switched to this handle, shame is even making you deny your self. Lmaooo. I understand how you feel cos i will even deny myself if i look that way, close to 50 and still living with his parents. Lwkmd

I'm in my 20's. I don't know about Pazienza. I might need to ask him about his age, but he is a very young man
You are a funny fellow.

Poweredbrew:
You mean your dirty pics splattered by your fellow ipobs, before you switched to this handle. Lmaoooo. This guy have no shame at all. Pathetic

Lol! Do you know that it's possible that Pazienza doesn't even know that you exist on the planet Earth .

Yet here you are dying on top his matter, what does that say about your employment status?

Poweredbrew:
Obsessed with a jobless old man? Buhahahahahha. The cretin that was disgraced here many times till he switched to a new handle. You dont even have any shame, lets donate money for you so you can leave your parents house. Your picture you putting on white long sleeves is making me laugh hard. Lol

Don't tell me you are now stalking the old man! Odikwa very risky. You mean you are now saving his pics?

Poweredbrew:
Buhahahaha. Reposting same epistle over and over is tormenting to this jobless old man. Pazienza denying his handle since 1895BC. Leave your parents house and go do something meaningful with your life, wearing same polo everday like uniform. Lmaoooo.

Lol! This obsession with pazienza dikwa too much o!

He must have left an indelible mark on Igbophobic people on this forum.

Poweredbrew:
Copying and pasting same trash over and over is lashing to a jobless man like you. Pazienza, the shameless Eboe man from Enugu who still live with his old parent at the age of 48. Lmaoooo. Pathetic

Lol! I guess Pazienza like Xtrose is now a generic name for all tormentors of Igbophobic beings on NL.

36xtr96r:
I feel your eternal pains that you and your wicked kinsmen shall spend the rest of your miserable lives with your Fulani masters.

Take heart and channel your negative energies towards OduaArewanistan republic uniting all your murderous folks and parasites. Leave Igbos out of your miseries. Igbos have virtually nothing in common with you leeches and hypocrites.

However, if you insist, you can continue to whine, weep and wail on every available media page at the mere mention of Biaf... or NK till you meet your Waterloo...

Xtrose, my man, lashing them Igbo haters as always.
It's always my pleasure seeing you in action bro.
Dalu.

AnambraDota:
owerri doesnt look like an average Nigeria city, Owerri is interestingly beautiful. I have been there twice.

I have been there too.

Owerri is good, but more modern than Enugu?
Brother, you are stretching it.
No SE city/ town can hold a candle light on Enugu, none! And that's puting it mildly.

Orikinla1:
He remains the best Head of State of Nigeria since independence.

Of course, see how Nigeria is a failed state, I understand why Her best head of state by international standard is also an incompetent fellow like Gowon. It all makes sense now.

wellmax:
Thank you. Did you read the news from the link you provided?
I have read it, and I will help you with the last sentence.

..... If the Yoruba could deliver President Goodluck Jonathan of PDP in 2011 despite having their own party’s candidate as a result of alliance with the South South , I see no reason why the Igbos cannot do the same but until then; the Igbo will never rule Nigeria again.

Do you really get what the writer is saying here?

How exactly did Yorubas deliver GEJ in 2011, what type of " fuckery" is this? Why do you people revel in outright lies and falsehoods?

It is a known fact that despite not being Igbo or from the SE, GEJ main block Vote in 2011 came from the SE.
The turnout for presidential elections in 2011 in SW was poor, simply because none of the candidates were Yorubas. Despite GEJ not being Igbo, Ndiigbo turned up in mass and delivered him. How dare you treacherous people try to re write a history as recent as 5yrs ago, what sort of madness is this?

In 2003, despite Buhari fielding an Igbo VP, ObJ won the SE.
Yaradua also in 2007, despite Buhari picking an Igbo VP, won more Igbo votes.

Between 1999 to 2015, Igbos had voted for A Yoruba president( OBJ), Northern president ( Yaradua) and a Southern minority president( GEJ).

We owe no Nigerian group any votes as it stands, they all owe us One, which we know will not be given.

pchukwudi:
Bros, you know better than this back and forth.

USA: 25 in 1000 ( inspite of the easy access to MASSIVE healtcare and contraception), this usually translates to:



http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

No wonder the CDC has not released any new data on abortion rate since 2013.

Now compare that to the UNVERIFIABLE claim (due to unavailability of data), of 37 in 1000 for the developing coutries (WITHOUT good healthcare and contraception).

Fact: Criminalize abortion, enforce the law, and provide adequate healrhcare facilities and effective contraception, and you will see abortion rate crash like a pack of sand.

References and useful links:

Abortion data in Africa is under reported due to the criminal nature and poor data keeping of the whole thing.

This is what we know:

“We now have a global picture of induced abortion in the world, covering both countries where it is legal and countries where laws are very restrictive,” Dr. Paul Van Look, director of the W.H.O. Department of Reproductive Health and Research, said in a telephone interview. “What we see is that the law does not influence a woman’s decision to have an abortion. If there’s an unplanned pregnancy, it does not matter if the law is restrictive or liberal.”

With legalized abortion, this is what we get:

"Some countries, like South Africa, have undergone substantial transitions in abortion laws in that time. The procedure was made legal in South Africa in 1996, leading to a 90 percent decrease in mortality among women who had abortions, some studies have found.

Abortion is illegal in most of Africa, though. It is the second-leading cause of death among women admitted to hospitals in Ethiopia, its Health Ministry has said. It is the cause of 13 percent of maternal deaths at hospitals in Nigeria, recent studies have found".

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2007/10/12/world/12abortion.html

cc: pchukwudi

pchukwudi:
Sorry, that study is not credible because it was not an idependent study but a stuff sponsored by pro-right/choice affiliate group. But even if we decide to accept it as credible it still won't fly.

Here's a quote from the report:



Two things at stake here.

1. Acess to better healthcare and contraceptives (NOT legalization of abortion) reduce the rate of abortion in the developed countries.

2. Criminalization of abortion kept the rate of abortion static (DID NOT INCREASE IT) in the developing countries where there is little or no access to good healrh care and enough education /awareness of effective contraceptives.


So can you give me a better source.

Yet you failed to mention the part, where it was stated that Abortion rate had declined in developed countries from 35 in 1000 to 25 in 1000, ie less than those of the developing country that remained static at 37 in 1000, so obviously, legalizing abortion doesn't increase abortion rate, it only decreases maternal mortality rate, by enabling the mothers to have access to quality abortion health care.

See this quote too:
“The obvious interpretation is that criminalising abortion does not prevent it, but rather drives women to seek illegal services or methods.”

Diana Greene Foster, University of California

KevinDein:
you obviously don't see the babies in these women wombs as living beings worthy of life. I've been wasting my time all this while.

Enjoy your day, man.

You obviously don't know what these young women who are victims of criminal abortions go through,or what they have to forfeit in life to take care of an unwanted child, I do.
And I believe they deserve the option of standard medical gestation termination, the option to have their life back or to sacrifice it for the welfare of a baby.

Your interest is on the baby, mine is on the mother, she should have all the options available and open to her, after all her future and Her life is at stake.
I would not have hypocritical men take any of those options away from her, since they are not going to be the ones to bear the blunt of the final outcome of such options.

KevinDein:
illegalization of hard drugs hasn't stopped illegal drug peddling either but that still isn't enough reason to legalize it.

You are so bothered about the well being of the woman you don't give a fuuuckk about the innocent baby.
Someone's gotta fight for these babies too. Get used to that.

Seriously? You are going to compare Abortion to drug abuse?