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chukzyblingz:
I'm a member of both pages and I'm not going to argue with you on facebook pages. You deliberately omitted the real admins and founders of Anioma voice that are From Enuani. For your information, Anioma voice is not a single group. It's a group of pages and it's very wide. Anioma voice has a very standard organization with branches all over Nigeria and the world at large. and it's members cut across all parts of Anioma with few Igbo members while proudly Igbo Proudly Anioma is an Igbo page with predominantly Igbo members that with the intention of forcing Igbo on Anioma people .


And for the people you mentioned, Esogbue and Mordi have always been pro Igbo and they're still pro Igbo in different ways and they both have many things in common. One good thing I like about the both of them is that they're honest and truthful in pursuing what what they intend to achieve. Esogbue dishes out history without prejudice, according to his findings and personal conviction. same thing I observed about Mordi. While Esogbue is of the opinion that Anioma is heterogeneous with founders from different places, so we have what it takes to be on our own, Mordi is of the opinion that Anioma is heterogeneous with founders from different places but we have more to gain if we align with the SE. they both have different agendas but they don't go about it concocting lies and distorting people's History like I've noticed with many igbos. Igbos believe in propaganda and they can go to any length for it.

How exactly have the Igbos concocted lies or distorted Ika history?

I am all ears.

No, Emeka Esogbue sees himself as an Anioma man, nothing more and nothing less, he is amongst the deluded few out to create an Anioma ethnic nationality out of Western Igboland, he is strongly Igbophobic as with all those who seek to create new ethnic groups in the 21st century, and he distorts history to project an edoic one, while subtly suppressing the Igboid ones.

Osita Mordi on the other hand is not just pro Igbo, he is A proud Igbo man and does not believe in the push for distinct Anioma ethnicity out Western Igboland, unlike Esogbue, Mordi has a good grasp of the history of the history of Igbo clans in SE and understands that unlike what myopic peeps like Esogbue thinks, SE just like Anioma also is heterogeneous in origin and not a monolithic region.
Mordi presents Anioma history as an Igbo man he is, with no bias, he seeks to find links between Anioma towns and SE, while at same time acknowledging the Edo, Igala and Yoruba( as seen in Odiani clan) influences in Anioma region. The difference between him and Esogbue is as wide as the difference between Light and darkness.


I am not surprised that you see proudly Igbo proudly Anioma the way you see it, it's the Igbophobia in you speaking.

Former Super Eagles captain, Austin 'Jay Jay' Okocha displayed his sense of humour the Nigeria Young Professionals forum in Lagos where he joked about him and Kanu Nwankwo's Ibo accent.

Jay Jay Okocha who is now the Chairman of the Delta State Football Association made the remarks while addressing President Goodluck Jonathan who was present at the forum.

"Your excellency, I think I don't have to say much because politics and football have something in common; there are played in the open field and I think your success story speaks for itself, " Jay Jay Okocha said.

"I want to say something about patriotism. My friend Kanu (Nwankwo) and I are the only ones that played in Europe for almost 40 years and came back with our Ibo accent. If that is not patriotism, I don't know what that mean," Okocha joked. http://pulse.ng/sports/football/jay-jay-okocha-former-super-eagles-maestro-jokes-about-his-ibo-accent-id3594097.html


Of course, Okocha considers himself Igbo, only few non entities in Enu ani who feel they can lay their life failures on the feet on the SE deny themselves, successful Enu ani people, who are in the majority are all proud Igbos, it's in the gene, Igbo equates success.

[b] The minister said: “There is something ethnic and I am going through it now. If you check on the internet there are articles saying that Okonjo-Iweala has gone ethnic but I believe in merit and competition and I don’t really care what part of the country you come from as long as you can do your job and that has always been my tenet. So, actually Igbo don’t find that I am that convincing because I think in Nigeria, we need to have a culture of merit. But by the way, when you think of merit and competition Igbos don’t do badly and that is a problem, we do rather well. Somebody said everybody in the financial sector is Igbo then they began to list people like the deputy governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria, the Director-General of Stock Exchange, Director-General of Securities and Exchange Commission, Director-General of Debt Management Office, myself and Sovereign Wealth Fund.

“Of course, they said because I am Igbo the person in charge of Sovereign Wealth Fund is also Igbo. He won completely by open competition and merit and the other top person there, Mrs. Stella Onyejekwu, got the job completely on merit. We should be proud of the president because despite of everything he insisted that merit prevailed and that those who got the job should be allowed to take it. The president should be commended because there was so much pressure on him. I said to somebody could you check the employment history of some of these people when they were saying that everybody in financial sector is Igbo because I am there. They got there independently on their own merit and most of them got there before me".
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/im-not-pursuing-any-personal-agenda-says-okonjo-iweala/144947/
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Ofcourse,Ngozi Okonjo Iweala considers herself and her Enu ani people Igbo, and this has nothing to do with her being married to an Umuahia, after all I have not heard Dieziani call herself and her people Igbo simply because she is married to a man from Anambra state, she remained Ijaw.

Viewflux.

That you don't know that Elenwa Elemchukwu is one and same person, let alone knowing that he was the late Eze Egi, Eze Ogba Ukwu,speaks alot about your poor grasp of the subject you are dabbling into and you still want me take you seriously?

[b] All Progressives Congress, APC governorship candidate in Rivers State, Dr Dakuku Peterside has described the late Eze Egi of Egiland in Ogba-Egbema-Ndoni Local Government Area of Rivers State, Eze Kingdom Elemchukwu Elenwa as an epitome of courage, peace and justice.

Peterside made the remarks at the burial ceremonies of the late king at Akabuka in Egi kingdom. According to the APC chieftain, the virtues of fairness, impartiality and fearlessness characterized the Eze’s life during his reign.

He said the passage of the respected king is a loss, not only to Egi people but also to Rivers State and all lovers of peace and justice all over the world.

The late Eze Elenwa, Dr Peterside added, spent most of his time on the throne fighting for the good of his people. “He lived sacrificially and believed that justice and peace must go hand in hand. Today, he is remembered and appreciated for leaving a lasting legacy”.

He therefore charged the people of Egi not to despair but to remain united and to always be guided by truth, love for one another, desire for unity and all the good things that the late king stood for.

The burial ceremony of the late monarch was attended by people from all walks of life including the representative of Rivers state Governor, Emma Okah, Chief Godspower Ake, Honourable Asita, APC deputy governorship candidate, among others.

In his remarks, Chief Godspower Ake paid glowing tribute to the late monarch whom he described as a man that was not afraid of anything except God. He said the late monarch during his life time, was ready to pay any sacrifice for truth, justice and peace. Ake also commended former Rivers State Governor, Chibuike Rotimi Amaechi for giving fulfilment to the several decades struggle of the Egi people.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2015/11/eze-egis-death-loss-to-rivers-says-dakuku/

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chukzyblingz:
nobody knows the secret page you just mentioned. the recognized Anioma page is called Anioma Voice. They are groups of related pages and groups. they're made up of all Anioma sociocultural organizations. Go there as an Igbo man and bring up Igbo agenda. I won't tell you what will happen to you. these pages were not created with Igbo in mind. they're normal ethnic pages but any Igbo man that comes there see the unexpected. The founders of most of these groups are from the Enuani area.

You are deluded! Firstly, you believed to know more about Enu ani than a custodian of Enu ani culture like Obi of Asaba, you dismissed Utomi continual association with Ndiigbo as a political move on his part, lol, and now you are projecting Anioma voice international as the official facebook of Anioma people

I am a member of both Anioma voice international and Proudly Anioma proudly Igbo pages.

Anioma voice international has a membership of about 10,000, while proudly Igbo proudly Anioma has a membership of about 11,000, I wonder which of them is more influential.

While Anioma voice international is anchored by strongly Igbophobic elements like Marcus Enudi- Ukwuani, Emeka Esogbule( who used to be pro Igbo not long ago but became rabidly Igbophobic recently for personal and selfish reasons)- Enuani, Gloria Adagbon- Igbanke and Smart Ajaja- Ika.

These individuals are also mostly pro APC and had polluted that group page with Igbophobic comments and articles, prompted Some Igbos in Anioma that are tired of constantly arguing with them to defect to proudly Igbo and Proudly Anioma that is Anchored by Pro Igbo forces of Chukwuneku Samuel- Ukwuani, Osita Mordi- Ika, and myriads of Enuani voices too many to single out a single individual, including Iganke voices too.

Anioma voice international has too many Ukwuani and Ika members, who are mostly Igbophobic, giving the page a strong Odour of Igbophobia, while Proudly Igbo proudly Anioma has too many Enu ani voices who are mostly Igbophilic, and of course with many SE Igbo members, and few Igbophobic Ukwuani and Ika elements who come to cause problems there from time to time.

We know these things, so you don't come here to deceive the gullible ones.

zuchyblink:
Are u sure u are arguing an ANIOMA man? That guy is an impostor from ??

I wouldn't put it past the Edoic and Yoruboid impostors to pull such off. But the truth remain that there are strong Igbophobic voices in Ukwuani and Ika.

I see him, even though he could be an impostor, as an opportunity to clear up some of the issues surrounding the identity crisis in those parts of Western Igboland.

chukzyblingz:
Asagba of Asaba is just one man and he's part of the 20 % that accept the Igbo tag and he's just one of the Kings in Enuani and not even a truly recognized Anioma king. I also made it known that there are few ikas and Ukwani that accept Igbo but very few. but most Enuani people just like their ika brothers have made it known they're not Igbo.

Most Enuani people? You are a comedian, you know that.

Who are those Enuani people? Okocha is proudly Igbo, Okonjo is proudly Igbo, Utomi is proudly Igbo.
Show me a prominent Enuani person that denied being Igbo?

I have Iselle Uku inlaws, my in-laws are proud Igbos likewise my cousins there, never for once did they pretend being any thing else.

I bet you wish the Enuani shares in your identity crisis. Ndo.

But I am supposed to take the words of Chukzblingz over those of Obi of Asaba.

[b] You have been active in the politics of Ohanaeze Ndi Igbo to the extent that people from Anioma are not comfortable given the fact that the Igbos of the mainland are not sympathetic to the Igbos in the diaspora. Some of their leaders still believe in the philosophy of the Igbo union of excluding their kiths and kin outside the Igbo heartland.

Is it because you are the monarch as represented in term Ohanaeze or that Ohanaeze represents the aspiration of the Igbo speaking people of Delta state?

I think this perception doesn’t have any real foundation. I know that there are some people across the Niger who believe that even though we speak Igbo, we are different kinds of persons. That our attitudes and our beliefs are different.

There are many on our side too that disagree with attitudes of the Igbos in the East . But these are not in keeping with our own beliefs and attributes and therefore, we are not one. But we are the Igbo speaking, have our history that we migrated from that side, our language, we understand it, but we are a broader people because after the igbos here, you have the Urhobos, the Ijaws and so on and to the North, we have the Igala people and the Hausa people.

So in that sense, we are a border people and so we have been subjected to more influences than those in the heartland. So there are bound to be differences in the course of our history. Nonetheless, I can say that the whole thing you are seeing is a wrong perception of a few.

If it was a correct attitude or perception, I don’t think the Igbos will accept an Anioma person to be the head of Ohanaeze, if you know, the present head of Ohanaeze is Ambassador Ralph Uwachue, an Anioma person. Before that, the secretary-general of Ohanaeze was Chief Achuzia, an Asaba man. So that perception that you say, although it exists, does not portray the true feelings and attitude of the Igbo leadership.
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2010/05/i-was-punished-for-defending-the-customs-of-my-people-prof-chike-edozien/ [/b]

[b] The chairman of the lecture, Obi Edozien (The Asagba of Asaba), re-emphasised this point: “we Igbo people are one. We must stop fighting over irrelevancies and emphasise the essential.”
This point arose out of the tendency among Igbo people to regard some groups as not “real” Igbos on basis of dialectal differences.


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It also exists in the form of clearly Igbo- speaking people with Igbo names and cultural patterns declaring themselves as “not Igbo” but ethnic minorities. This is very rampant among Igbo groups in the South-South zone who believe that by so self- declaring publicly, they would be more acceptable among the real minorities and allowed to take their places as ethnic minorities. Experience has, however, shown that this self-delusion hardly ever produces their desired results. Whenever the push comes to the shove, the real minorities remind them that they are Igbo people who are out to take what belongs to the minorities through the back door.

This phenomenon was evident in 2006 when former Governor Peter Odili of Rivers State (who loved to call himself a “Rivers man,” as if Rivers State is a tribe) was running for president.

Ijaw leader, Chief Edwin Clark openly declared Odili an Igbo man, arguing that the South-South president that the minorities have been agitating for was not meant to go to “an Igbo man.” Given this situation, there has been an increasing shift of paradigm.

Many Igbo groups, especially in Delta State, have decided no longer to play the masquerade.


The Obi of Asaba, Professor Edozien, actually laid out conditions he believes will cement Igbo unity permanently. Obi Edozien then called on the people of the South-East zone to support the creation of Anioma State and another for Igbo-speaking people of Rivers State to make for seven states, all of which will be lumped together in one zone or region.
http://nigeriavillagesquare.com/forum/main-square/28995-asagba-asaba-why-some-igbos-denounce-their-heritage.html [/b]

chukzyblingz:
I'm not surprised how the things have turned into. it used to be majority of Anioma people including majority of Agbor and U ukwani people accept being Igbo but when that has been busted, you people have reduced the Igbo accepting areas to Enuani. But I as an Anioma man can authoritatively tell you that more than 90% of Ika people believe they're not Igbos and in the Enuani part of Anioma, the number can be reduced to about more than 80% - just trying to be generous. coming on Nairaland to say Enuani people accept the Igbo tag is the greatest joke of the Millennium

There are proud Igbo people all over Anioma, including Ika and Ukwuani, Osita Mordi is a proud Igbo man from Igbodo in Ika.

Identity crisis is a problem of Ika and Ukwuani and not Enuani.
You as an Ika man can only speak for Ika, and not for Enuani. You can't know more about Enu ani than Asagba of Asaba, who himself is a proud Igbo man.
Stop peddling lies here.

chukzyblingz:
You're a very foolish man. you're now more Anioma than I am right?

Ika is part of Anioma, but your Igbophobic stand is only shared by Ukwuani and not by Enuani( Aniocha and Oshimili) people.

So if you are going to go Igbophobic, I'd suggest you fly under your Igbophobic Ika flag.

Anioma was created by an Igbophilic proud Igbo man from Asaba in Enuani, to serve as a point of unity for Igbo speaking people of the defunct Midwest. It would not be used for Igbophobic agenda by identity crisis plagued psychotic beings in Ika or Ukwuani. You are better off using your Ukwuani and Ika banners for such mission and pray that proud Igbo sons of Ika and Ukwuani extraction, don't rip your banner to pieces.

Which igbide people?

You and your befuddled great nuncle?

Is that an excerpt from any official igbide peoples union website?

orhue!!!

And when an official Igbide people's website was provided to him, he started looking for a journal, a thesis ,a peer review http://www.isokonewyork.org/history.html .

How hilarious can it get? I guess it was Igboid that forced Igbide people in Newyork to write about their Eastern connection, and they need to prove to lord BraniaX how they arrived at such conclusions.

I'm yet to see Ohanaeze Ndiigbo or Any Igbo organization reach out to Igbide, to the Igbo, if you don't speak Igbo related dialects as first language, you are not Igbo, Igbide doesn't speak an Igboid dialect and if they didn't start writhing their history of migration from Igboland, no Igbo man would have suspected them of having Igbo roots.

chukzyblingz:
People here are very ignorant. Mutual intelligibility is not the only way to classify languages and culture. Chinese is considered a language but it's not mutually intelligible but when you go to the Scandinavian countries, there are many languages there that are mutually intelligible but yet are different language. why is it so? coming down home, the Ishan language is not exactly intelligible between different communities but it's a language. Example of such abounds both in Africa and all over the world. please let the anioma be.

Who are you to speak for Anioma? Upon which authority do you stand to make such proclamations. The map we are currently looking at on this thread was provided by a Caucasian woman married to an Anioma man, Uche Isichei.

On the scandinavian countries,good a thing you used the Word COUNTRIES. Are the Igbo and Anioma in different countries?

Do the Scandinavians in Denmark, Iceland, Norway,,Sweden, Finland, Greenland deny the fact that they are same people, even though in different countries with each eager to protect it's own dialect as a language?

Moreover, I understand that you are Ika, please learn to speak for Ika next time, and not hide behind Anioma to drag my Enuani relatives into your identity crisis psychosis.

If only Ikwerre Igbo denial can stand on its own, if only Ikwerres can boldly come out and say:

" See it's true we previously , wholeheartedly and without compulsion or subjugation were Igbos and truly accepted the Igbo tag, we nolonger wish to be Igbos from 1970 onwards due to some events we wish not to dabble into now, It is our personal and group conviction that the interests of our people, which includes our political and Economic interests, are currently better protected in a distinct new ethnic group away from our parent Igbo body. We wish that our Igbo brothers accept and respect this our new conviction and stance."


There won't be problems. The problem is that Ikwerre see it as a necessity to doctor Igbo history, which they were part of, and to assassinate the Igbo image, as a means of establishing their new found ethnic group.

And this is why there will continue to be this argument over and over again, with all the animosity attached and even hatred creeping in from both camps.

I had highlighted some of the bold face lies and falsehoods upon which current Ikwerre identity denial were built upon, which the average Igbo man would always refute and tear to shreds violently.

And because the very foundation of Ikwerre quest for distinct identity is built on those lies, it becomes near impossible for an Igbo to refute those lies, without it appearing like he is attacking the Ikwerre quest for distinct identity. This creates an illusion of the Igbo forcing Ikwerre to be part of the Igbo nation in the eyes of the ignorant onlookers not knowledgeable on the underlying issues in discourse. When in actuality, the average Igbo don't give a rat ass over whatever identity the Ikwerre had chosen for himself,as such matters are trivial and inconsequential in the larger scheme of things for the Igbo nation.

Nigerian colonial history records that the name "Ikwerre"
was given by the colonial administration when they wanted
to acquire the Rebisi waterfront to build the wharf. Using an
Ibo interpreter to talk to the illiterate Rebisi (Port Harcourt)
chiefs, they asked them: Would you permit us to use the
waterfront to build the wharf for ships to berth? And they
answered: A KWERULEM , meaning - "We have agreed."
What the white-man was hearing was "Ikwerre," so he
recorded it in the official gazette that the IKWERRE PEOPLE
have agreed for the colonial administration to build the
wharf. And since it was the official record of government,
the name Ikwerre became the name of the Iwhnurohna
people in all official documentations till date.
https://www.nairaland.com/1878784/brief-history-ikwerre-port-harcourt

Lies! Lies!!

Professor Godwin Tasie noted that in 1913 the Rt Rev
Herbert Tugwell, the Anglican Bishop on the Niger,
undertook an experimentation tour of Ikwerre towns and
villages assumed to be Ibo-speaking to test the Union Ibo
Bible Nso being introduced in Iboland. "Tugwell discovered
from the tests he carried out that although the Ikwerre
were often regarded as Ibo… the Union Ibo Bible
translation, surprisingly, was not easily understood by the
Ikwere." This is obviously why Igbo vernacular was
compulsorily introduced and taught in all schools in
Ikwerreland before the Nigerian Civil War to the
assimilation (i.e. destruction) of the Ikwere language.
This also obviously led to the Rumuomasi Declaration in
1965. " …

Lies!

fombadi:
Expect me to read that nonsense written by another Igbo man busy claiming that Rom and Paris belongs to Igbos
When are you guys claiming Iraq and Pakistan?

Lol! Your ignorance is a joy to watch.

It didn't occur to you that Uche Peter Isichei, Elizabeth's husband, is an Anioma man. The same Anioma you are arguing are not Igbo, are now Igbo just to discredit Elizabeth's work.

Can't you see that you had shot yourself on the foot?

fombadi:
Let's clearify something:
This 1903 Igbo made map was published in 1976 in a book written by Elizabeth Isichei who was married to a Nigerian called Uche Peter Isichei.

Point one,please bring 5 other proofs dating this map to 1903 apart from this book.
Point two,this looks was published 6 years after the Nigeria Biafra civil war, looks more like a book written by a Biafran self made proofs.
This map lacks credibility till you proof otherwise for now THE IGBO MADE MAP is just as fake as those made in Iba shoes

This Urhobo man. So after I decimated your useless thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/3205601/10-interesting-facts-delta-state/11#47315701 your previously latent Igbophobia is now on hyperactivity? But like a coward, you decided to do that under this your moniker and not with your known moniker.

The Eastern part of the map is covered.

Now on the Western Igboland. This is a colonial documentation on the Western Igboland written in 1914:
http://archive.org/stream/anthropologicalr04thomuoft/anthropologicalr04thomuoft_djvu.txt


I will let Ikechukwu handle your madness.

HopeAtHand:
This Ikwerre is Igbo argument or Ikwerre was Igbo argument or Ikwerres are Benin descendants will achieve very little because Ikwerre is a Nationality of many clans each with its own version of history. Some Igbo clans may have historical links with some Ikwerre communities, but using it as a classification of all Ikwerres is an unjust error.

Like i stated earlier, the decision by the British to categorically tag every "seeming similar" ethnicity as Igbo wasn't due to a holistic research but purely for the ease of administration. If they carried out any research, be sure it was loosely done, it wasn't any serious academic exercise. It was a hasty exercise.

A case in point is the Igbo Union Bible, which was introduced into Ikwerreland to be used in churches. It is on record that the bible failed woefully as it left the people very confused as they didn't understand it. The Church had to do a research on the Ikwerre language and thereafter print a bible in Ikwerre language.

Lemme define language for you.1 a : the words, their pronunciation, and the methods of combining them used and understood by a community.(Webster dictionary)


From the definution of language, Chew on the bolded.

The Igbo union bible did not fail only in Ikwerre, everyone within the Igbo group had to adjust to it. The Izzi have their own Izzi bible today.

No, the British are meticulous people, they knew the subtle differences between groups, if Ikwerre were not Igbos or even showed any iota of resisting the Igbo tag in the colonial era, they would have gotten a distinct entity from word go! The British didn't need to turn Ikwerre into Igbo for easier governance, if that was the case, they would have converted smaller groups like Ogoni and Andoni to Igbo too.

The British were so meticulous that they noticed that the Isoko saw themselves as distinct people from Urhobos, hence didn't lump them together but instead tagged Isoko "Igaboh" and Urhobo " Sobo", they were that detailed.

All linguistic studies done on Ikwerre had failed to distinguish it as a distinct language of its own. Ikwerre as a dialect forms part of the Igbo dialect continuum.
A study done on Ikwerre dialect showed that Ikwerre had a cognation score of 81.63% with Onicha dialect, I am sure that the score will reach 90% and above, if done with Ohaji/Egbema dialects, in place of Onicha.

[quote author=viewflux post=47315218][/quote]Egi is intelligible to Ndiigbo, I know this for a fact. You can put this to a test by writing in Egi right here and right now, and get your translation.

Ogoni are Igbo neighbors and have traded with Ndiigbo too. Same with Andoni and Ogbia, Andoni has many loan Igbo words because of this, but the structure of the language remain non Igboid, but is rather Ibibiod. Andoni interacted with Ijaws, and their language have come to have many Ijaw words in them. Andoni is said to be a Ibibiod with Igbo and Ijaw impurities, Ndiigbo can't understand Andoni and we know they are not Igbos, so you don't hear us saying that Andoni are Igbos, even when they have Igbo influences, for Example Uche Secondus is an Andoni man with an Igbo first name.

Is it not the same Egi where Eze Egi , Elemchukwu Elenwa hailed from? Is his name nolonger an Egi name, yet intelligible to Ndiigbo.
All parts of Ogba speak dialects intelligible to Ndiigbo, because they have been Igbo speaking from the beginning of time and not because of any inter relationship between them and other Igbos.
Igburu-awarra people who though are Ogba people, but are in Imo state confirms this.

On the Ikwerre part, the central Ikwerre languag is intelligible to the Igbo man, interior ones are less intelligible but that also is obtainable in Igboland, where most Igbos will struggle to understand the interior dialects of Izzi people in Ebonyi.
Even my Online Ikwerre friends told me that they also struggle to understand interior Ikwerre dialects, even though they are Ikwerre, yet a careful study of those interior lects show that they are totally Igbo in structure, but with few non Igbo loan words, retained too many extinct proto Igbo words or have bizarre tonations attached to what would otherwise be regular Igbo words.

Ogbu nu Abali literally translates to "He that kills in the night" in Ikwerre dialects. This is not open for debate.

Please, stop dabbling into issues your are ignorant of.

BraniacX:
Oh! Bug of you twerp!!! imagine the stupidity on display by you? I should just accept your say so as cannon in addition to your phantom igbide guy and “official" igbide thread!! JESUS! It doesn't get more stup1d than this!!

You seriously need a brain transplant Surgery, a Goat brain will be an upgrade to what you currently have.

"The ancestors of all the clans in Isoko migrated from Benin with the exception of Igbide, Okpolo/Enwe and Umeh in Isoko South LGA and Evwrheni, now in Ughelli South, which came from east of the river Niger, i.e. the present day Anambra, Bayelsa and Rivers States. They came through the river Niger to Isoko creek (a tributary of river Niger) near Patani, and advanced inland to settle in their present sites. Umeh ancestors came from Onya on the river Niger (opposite river Nun, a tributary of river Niger) and came through Isoko creek near Patani and advanced inward to settle on the banks of Isoko creek where they are at present. There was further movement of Owhawha ancestors from Igbide in Isoko South LGA to settle in Jeremi clan, Ughelli South LGA".

http://www.isokonewyork.org/history.html

Now crawl back to where ever you came from.

Abagworo:
You just taught him Igbo 101 and Ikwerre 101 combined. However the issue shouldn't be about language but the people's belief. People speaking different languages can accept being one ethnic group. Hope you know that. What makes Ikwerre not to be Igbo is simply because they say they aren't. Even if you do DNA test proving that they originated from Nnewi it stii won't change anything.

I don't give a rat asss about what Ikwerre or any other deluded Igboid groups think about themselves, but all I care about is history and Igbo image.

The Igboids will not be allowed to doctor history we shared with them to their pleasing and use such to tarnish the Igbo image all in an attempt at forming New ethnic groups out of themselves.

All their lies and history distortions will be dissected and exposed as lies they are for the world to see.

Nothing is wrong with their quest for distinctiveness, they have the right to assert their distinct nature, but they have no right to doctor shared history with Igbo and even go as far as creating lies against the Igbo and assassination of Igbo image to achieve their aim.

This is the point that must be "violently" drummed into the ears of the Igboids.

viewflux:
My brother let's push this question to our Ikwere brain washed brothers;

Rumuokoro in Ikwerre is Umuokoro without the 'R' means the descendants of Okoro plain simple Igbo Lang. Can they pls give us their native language alphabets?


That the Kalabari people can understand Okirika language and have similar native language alphabet does no mean that Okirika is Kalabari (vice versa), that Spanish and Italian has similar native language alphabet and can almost understand themselves does not also mean Spanish is Italian, that an Omoku person in Ogba ethnic nationality(Igburu and Egi) can understand ibo(changed to IGBO in recent times) and have some ibo linguistics in his native language while his BROTHER (THE EGI PEAOPLE DOES NOT HAVE IBO LINGUISTIC IN THEIR LANGUAGE) does not mean that Omoku is Ibo. however, the reason for this similarity is because of centuries of trade relation that has lasted for over 300 years.. between these ethnic groups.

Note that on like now where you go to Aba or Onitcha and come back the same day or 3 days time, centuries ago traders stay for close to 3 months before coming back because the trade route is by water.

Moreover, your question of Umuokoro and Rumuokoro was as a result of control of Rivers State from Enugu(then capital of eastern region), the government of the day approves the naming of streets and roads all over the region. however, the Ikwerre's identify family line by HOUSE(RUMU) while the Ibo's identify by CHILDREN(UMU), the Irobo's identify by AREA(OTOR), it was as a result of this that the government of Rivers State changed the names to reflect the language of the Ikwerre's instead of the Ibo's.

Ikwerre Road was name Owerri Road during the Eastern administration. the present day ABU na ABALI(meaning 'Killing at night' in Ibo) at Garrism in Port Harcourt is not and Ikwerre acronym but and Ibo acronym, the origina name in Ikwerre is Obu nu Bali(meaning Obu and Bali=the 2 brothers that found that Ikwerre settlement).

Kalabari and Okrika are like Ogba and Ikwerre, while Kalabari and Okrika are Ijoid, Ogba and Ikwerre are Igboid. You can't compare Kalabari with Ijaw, you can only compare them to Ijaw groups like Nembe in Bayelsa and not the entire Ijaw. You can only compare Ogba and Ikwerre to Igbo groups like Ngwa, Enuani, etc, and not to the entire Igbo nation.

Your use of Spanish and Italian languages to compare the Igbo and Igboid groups show your ignorance, for a start, Spanish and Italian languages all descended from
the old Latin language of the Roman empire that reigned over those parts of Europe and are rooted in Roman empire imperialism, hence they are called Romance languages.

At no point did the Igbo colonize Ogba or Ikwerre people and administered them using Igbo language, like the Romans did in Italy and Spain and Portugal at any point in history.
Ogba and Ikwerre were not the only groups in Eastern region, the Ogoni, Andoni, Ogbia, are smaller groups than Ogba and Ikwerre but non of them are Igbo speaking today, yet Ndiigbo traded with them for years too, So the lies of Igbo forcing Igbo language on previously non Igbo speaking Ogba and Ikwerre in Eastern region or Ikwerre and Ogba becoming Igbo speaking because of pre colonial trade with Ndiigbo cannot stand the scrutiny of facts.
Usomini, Igburu and Egi dialects of Ogba are all totally mutually intelligible to an Igbo man with good grasp of Southern Abia and Imo Igbo dialects.

No, it was named Umuokoro because it was written in central Igbo and not Ikwerre dialect, and Rumu is same as UMU as both means " Descendants" or "children", House in Ikwerre is "ORO" and not "RUMU".

It was the policy of the Eastern region to name major roads after major towns in the region. If you come to Aba, we have PortHarcourt road, Brass road, Opobo road, Aba- Owerri road, Ikot Ekpene road.
That a road In PH was named Owerri road means nothing.

On the Ogbu nu abali part, I learnt the land belongs to the town's of Oro Ogbum ( House of Ogbum) and Oro Abali( House of Abali) hence Ogbu nu Abali( ie Ogbum
and Abali) for the land shared by both towns Even in Ikwerre, Ogbu nu Abali literary translates to "He that kills in the night".

All in all, I can confidently say that your are ignorant of the issues you attempted to dabble into here.

If the Jan 1966 coup was not an Igbo coup then give us a list of Igbos killed by the coupists and make sure it is as long as the list of Yorubas and Northerners killed by them. That no foremost igbo politician or army officer was killed was not by sheer coincidence. It was an igbo coup. Fact!
What do you mean by " Igbos according to Zik had been destined by God to dominate Africa, and not Nigeria, you have comprehension issues"?
Is Nigeria not part of Africa? You have problem with Geography.

Well the coup was an AG Awo masterminded coup here is why:

The coup plotters said the aim of the coup was to enthrone criminal called Awo. Fact!

The coupists ended up eliminating two of the Awo's arch enemies in Akintola and Balewa, coincidence? I don't think so.

Awo had a history of one failed civilian coup before Jan 1966 and another one during IBB regime, he had the coup antecedents all over him.

You see? Two can play this game of conjectures and extrapolation.

I don't see other Africans having problem with that Zik statement, accept Yoruboid and Edoic beings, hence the need to put things in perspective.

[b] It was political witch hunting. They were convicted criminals, yet Zik was so unprincipled to later seek UPGA alliance with them even while they were still serving the jail terms slammed on them by the very government Zik was part and parcel of. So Zik sought alliance with criminals indicted by his own government after appending his own signature to their jail order documents. Then what was Zik himself? Even Ojukwu too later sought support of the same "criminals" in his quest for freedom from Nigeria. Then something was wrong with Igbos.

The order by Gowon which released Awo also released Enahoro who was not in an Eastern Prison. So your arguement is invalid.
The NPC-NCNC evil coalition between Balewa and Zik sent Awo and Enahoro to jail. Stop trying to remove NCNC from it. Zik signed all the documents that pronounced Awo's jail term and Enahoro's. If Zik was not in support of the NPC's jailing of Awo and Enahoro, then why did he not resign from the government in protest? [/b]


Truth of the matter was that Awo and Enahoro were found guilty of treason charges, by a civilian court of justice. Events that led to Awo's death later, would support this treason charges.

Politics is a game of numbers, Awo and Enahoro, though convicted criminals were revered by their people and commanded massive fellowship, the aim of a politician is to win and not to pronounce judgement on who is criminal and who isn't, this is called pragmatism.
Saudi Arabia is a kingdom that stands against almost everything USA preaches, yet they are US ally, this would explain why the North was eager to forgive Awo of his crimes and Ojukwu was willing to do the same, it's pragmatism.
If Yorubas and Edos revere criminals as leaders, and you want Yoruba/ Edo support, then you have no option than to work with those criminals, your working with the criminals speaks more about the depravity of a nation that revere criminals as leaders than you that is more than willing to work with the criminal leaders to achieve an aim.

That's why it's a coalition, Zik is required to sign them, but that does not in any way mean that it was his idea or that he was the one carrying them out.

Your slave induced passion to ignore Awo's true enemies in Akintola and Balewa and hold unto Zik is at best funny.
Why should Zik resign? Did he send Awo to commit treason?
Awo dug his own grave,there was nothing Zik could have done for him. Zik did the best he could for Awo by pleading for him to be imprisoned in the East to save his life.

[b] It was political witch hunting. They were convicted criminals, yet Zik was so unprincipled to later seek UPGA alliance with them even while they were still serving the jail terms slammed on them by the very government Zik was part and parcel of. So Zik sought alliance with criminals indicted by his own government after appending his own signature to their jail order documents. Then what was Zik himself? Even Ojukwu too later sought support of the same "criminals" in his quest for freedom from Nigeria. Then something was wrong with Igbos.

The order by Gowon which released Awo also released Enahoro who was not in an Eastern Prison. So your arguement is invalid.
The NPC-NCNC evil coalition between Balewa and Zik sent Awo and Enahoro to jail. Stop trying to remove NCNC from it. Zik signed all the documents that pronounced Awo's jail term and Enahoro's. If Zik was not in support of the NPC's jailing of Awo and Enahoro, then why did he not resign from the government in protest? [/b]


Truth of the matter was that Awo and Enahoro were found guilty of treason charges, by a civilian court of justice. Events that led to Awo's death later, would support this treason charges.

Politics is a game of numbers, Awo and Enahoro, though convicted criminals were revered by their people and command massive fellowship, the aim of a politician is to win and not to pronounce judgement on who is criminal and who isn't, this is called pragmatism.
Saudi Arabia is a kingdom that stands against almost everything USA preaches, yet they are US ally, this would explain why the North was eager to forgive Awo of his crimes and Ojukwu was willing to do the same, it's pragmatism.
If Yorubas and Edos revere criminals as leaders, and you want Yoruba/ Edo support, then you have no option than to work with those criminals, your working with the criminals speaks more about the depravity of a nation that revere criminals as leaders than you that is more than willing to work with the criminal leaders to achieve an aim.

That's why it's a coalition, Zik is required to sign them, but that does not in any way mean that it was his idea or that he was the one carrying them out.

Your slave induced passion to ignore Awo's true enemies in Akintola and Balewa and hold unto Zik is at best funny.
Why should Zik resign? Did he send Awo to commit treason?
Awo dug his own grave,there was nothing Zik could have done for him. Zik the the best he could for Awo by pleading for him to be imprisoned in the East to save his life.

Deadlytruth:
It takes an influential person to convince a sitting president to disregard Aburi Accord as alleged by you. The mere fact that you have devoted most of your comments here writing continually about Akenzua and crying repeatedly over his actions and inactions confirm that he is very influential even after death. The memory of an inconsequential buffon would not so much preccupy a "sane" person. By your logic even Zik too must have therefore been an inconsequential buffon for later defecting to Gowon's side against Ojukwu.


Ironically it is the Igbos that have today actually become the slaves and sixth class citizens of the Biarewanistan Republic Zik laboured hard to build by aligning with the Islamist Core-North as Igbos remain most irrelevant in Nigeria's affairs now so much that Igbos, despite being a majority, have made themselves slaves of even the SS which is a collection of formerly relatively insignificant minorities. Haven't you ever wondered why Igbos now so much attach themselves like leech to the SS which they initially did not give a damn about while Nigeria was being run in the context of Hausa/Yoruba/Igbo? Which other majority is so much attaching itself to minorities the way Igbo currently does to the SS? It is not News if a minority is seeking relevance by attaching itself to a majority. But it becomes news when a majority seeks relevance by attaching itself to minorities. That should tell you that Igbos are the only real slaves in Nigeria.



A Yoruba man created NCNC and at the time of his departure handed it over to Zik in a show of detribalized politicking. But when it was time for Zik to hand the party over, rather than give it to the Niger Delta or any other Southern minority to continue with the detribalized legacy Macaulay left behind, he gave it to an Igbo like himself and turned the whole party to an Igbo party while still chanting "one Nigeria". As at the time the Midwestern Region was created Zik and Balewa were already at daggers drawn. Moreover Zik's position in government was figurehead and 100% ceremonial thus powerless and so could not have influenced the creation of Midwest let alone install Osadebey.


The COR thing was never put to vote because Okpara used his powers as premier to deprecate it. The indegens' joy and acceptance that greeted the creation of Rivers State and South Eastern State (now cross river and Akwa Ibon) confirms that the COR region would have had its way if it were ever put to referendum the same way Midwest had a landslide when tested. In fact the Midwest landslide scared Okpara and NCNC into preventing the COR region referendum test.

Wilkins Report and reality on ground are two different things. Was it not the same Colonial masters reports that fraudulently gave more population to the North in order to give them perpetual leverage over the South and which Zik fell for in his blind "One-Nigeria" quest?


Really? Tell me more! [Igbos' fraudulent ways of reasoning and double standards again. What is mayorship of a single town compared with a whole region's premier to whom even that mayor will be subject? You people obviously think you are smart while others are kids and fools. Why not first make that Fulani man or even an Edo or Yoruba man your premier in the East before Zik came to seek premier of the West? You want to exchange a rat for a grasscutter by claiming that mayorship and premiership are of the same value. Very funny! And that's why every other tribe sees you people as very dishonest and dubious. Unfortunately you have forgotten that a lot of Igbos were voted into the Western House by yorubas, and that the post of a single mayor of a town is not at all comparable with that of elected MPs in a regional assembly in terms of power and influence. How many Yorubas occupied seats in the Eastern Regional Assembly?


I thought you already said Igbankes were very stupid for deciding by themselves to remain in Edo for fear of Asaba domination during the splitting of Bendel? So how come you have changed tune again to your claim above that they are seeking freedom from Edo "despotic reign"? Where do a people seeking freedom from despotic reign stupidly (according to you) choose to remain back when an opportunity came? You are simply confused and inconsistent. After Osadebey Edos welcomed an Igbanke man (Ogbemudia) as the next governor. In 1983 again Edos still voted freely for that same Igbanke man as governor, yet this one is here talking of Edo despotic reign over Igbanke. Keep swimming in your self-invented delusion.

[If Ojukwu actually did not support Ironsi's unification and anti-secession decrees and his failure to execute the coup plotters then what stopped him from resigning from the army in passive protest? Would the Ironsi (who could not punish Majors guilty of treason and coldblooded murders) have courtmartialled Ojukwu (A colonel) for peacefully and honourably resigning from the Army? Please save the story of military hierachy for the babe and suckling.


Trying to separate British subjects from British Empire! Do words have meaning to you at all? Benin Empire was mushroom yet it extended to present Dahomey and even after British attack and conquest the palace was re-organised and the Royal Dynasty continued. Where are the Nri Palaces now after British onslaught? Nri was not even Mushroom but toadstool kingdom.


You obviously don't know the difference between 'Islamic' and 'islamist'. The Yorubas had Islamic adherents and not islamists. Even Igbos had and still have indegenous Islamic (not Islamist) adherents in the Afikpo LGAs of Ebonyi State. Awo did not want to have any alliance with the Islamist core North thus his alliance with UMBC predated the parliamentary elections in which Zik left him in the lurch in preference for the islamists. While Awo and Enahoro went into the 1959 election with the non-islamist Makurdi based UMBC as an ally, Zik went into the election first with the Islamist Kano based NEPU and after the election went still further into a greater marriage with the larger Islamist Sokoto based NPC. So Awo's preference for the UMBC was far far before the 'alleged 'double game' which made Zik betray him for his Northern masters. So your defence is punctured.
On the double game issue: If Awo really did that, then Zik and Okpara would not have turned around just four years later to seek his hand in the UPGA merger which represented the All-south alliance which Zik earlier rejected. The mere fact that Zik ever sent Michael Okpara to Ibadan to court Awo's through Awo's wife for the UPGA alliance meant That Awo never played double game, or else Zik would not have sought his hand again for any form of alliance. However, while still serving the prison term Zik roped him into, Awo rejected Balewa's offer of freedom for him on the condition that he aligned his AG- with the Northcentric and Islamist NPC ahead of the 1964 elections, but forgave Zik from prison and ordered his AG loyalists to align with him for the all-South UPGA. Moreover it was Akintola who, in 1959, went to make a deal with Ahmadu Bello entirely out of his own volition since he (Akintola) had already been a friend of the NPC and a minister in the quasi-self government which the colonial masters put in place and headed by Balewa even before independence. Akintola knew that Awolowo's and Enahoro's anti-core-North stand was likely to strip him of his ministerial influence so, in order to preserve his friendship with the Islamist core North, he quickly went to Bello to propose an alliance between AG and NPC but without Awolowo's approval. Recall that Akintola later openly and repeatedly accused Awo of being responsible for Yorubas' absence in Balewa government's portfolios. Now, logically speaking, if it was really Awo that sent Akintola to Ahmadu Bello with that offer for an AG-NPC alliance then Akintola could never have later accused Awo of causing Yorubas' loss of portfolios to Igbos in Balewa's cabinet. He would have rather blamed Zik for snatching Balewa from him and would have refused to be used against Awo by Zik.



Gowon had the ultimate power and he did not eventually do the bidding of the Islamist Core-North, hence his overthrow by Murtala Mohammed. If Gowon was the Core-North's figure head he would not have released Awo and Enahoro - the arch enemies of the Core North.



Coker who headed the inquiry commission and that Yoruba justice were Akintola's loyalists and thus selected by Zik and Balewa because of their loyalty to Akintola. They did not choose neutral persons. Remember Zik and Balewa prevented Awo from bringing in his own lawyer to defend him?


While they were trying to break the Core North's strangehold on the South Zik and Igbos were satisfied with running anti-south errand for the Islamist Core North so as to remain their good boys.

It was political witch hunting. They were convicted criminals, yet Zik was so unprincipled to later seek UPGA alliance with them even while they were still serving the jail terms slammed on them by the very government Zik was part and parcel of. So Zik sought alliance with criminals indicted by his own government after appending his own signature to their jail order documents. Then what was Zik himself? Even Ojukwu too later sought support of the same "criminals" in his quest for freedom from Nigeria. Then something was wrong with Igbos.

The order by Gowon which released Awo also released Enahoro who was not in an Eastern Prison. So your arguement is invalid.
The NPC-NCNC evil coalition between Balewa and Zik sent Awo and Enahoro to jail. Stop trying to remove NCNC from it. Zik signed all the documents that pronounced Awo's jail term and Enahoro's. If Zik was not in support of the NPC's jailing of Awo and Enahoro, then why did he not resign from the government in protest?



Tiv riots happened while awo and Enahoro were in prison. How could they have planned and executed riots from jail? That makes it clear that their indictment on Tiv riots was as politically motivated as their indictment for the civilian coup. It was not diplomatic for Ironsi to release Awo and Enahoro whose coup was unsuccessful and hence took no life, but it was diplomatic for him to start releasing and transferring to Eastern Prisons' for safety the Igbo boys who actually killed Balewa, Bello, Maimalari, etc? May be diplomacy has a another meaning.

And what type of message did he send to the North by protecting from courtmartial the bloodthirsty Igbo coupists who actually later killed Balewa, Bello and Maimalari -the 3 leading lights of the North?

I have used superior logic to crush the double game allegation. Edo North has three tribes; Etsakos (<40% muslim), Akoko-Edos (98% Christians) and Owans (98% Christians). So Edo North muslim population is insignificant. There are also large Igbo muslim populations in Afikpo LGAs of Ebonyi and others in Enugu.



I have already punctured this double game claim with superior logic and chronology above.



Zik aligned with the Core North because, according to he himself with his own mouth; "...... an all-south alliance against the North would not augur well for national unity.......". But Awo and Enahoro aligned with the middle belt because they hated Ahmadu Bello's Born-to-rule sloganeering and the Core North's killing of Southerners already prior to that time.


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Akenzua remain an ineffectual buffoon, I only brought him up in the discussion to show his role in the present one Nigeria. He is a non entity, I only know him because I'm a student of history, millions of Nigerians don't know who he is, putinghim on same sentence as Zik is an insult to the person of Zik.

Again stop tagging along a non existing entity "SS", was Nzeogwu the same man that plotted the so called Igbo coup, not from "SS"? How can Ndiigbo be tagging along SS when Ndiigbo are south south? The only ones licking people ass are your inconsequential minority group in Edo, who are not known anywhere outside Edo, show me where Ndiigbo attached to your inconsequential minority ethnic group in Edo state?

It will be an insult to slaves, calling your Edo group slaves, as even slaves have known names, you group doesn't, you remain inconsequential and insignificant, deal with it!

Even GEJ an Ogbia man was more than happy to attach to Ndiigbo, he publicly took the name Azikiwe, and declared that Ndiigbo were thebedrock of his administration. I didn't hear him say anything about your inconsequential Edo group.

The deal is that Aro confederation gave the British empire more resistance than your mushroom village empire of Blood and gore could. Nri was a religious kingdom, never forced its power on any group, but was rather consulted by groups on religious and spiritual matters, comparing it to your mushroom village empire is an insult to sanity.

Funny, Herbert Macaulay was a Sierra Leonian that saw himself more as a Lagosian than a Yoruba. Zik maintained the detibalized nature of NCNC until Awo formed AG and systematically lured the Yoruba elements in NCNC into AG by appealing to their tribal allegiance to Yoruba.

Lol, Zik had no Influence on the Mid west formation yet it was an NCNC Igbo man, Osadebey that emerged the premier of the New region,this must be a miracle.
I guess it was the useless Oba of Bini that was influential in Midwest formation, perhaps you forgot to tell us that it was the inane Enahoro who had his mouth deep in Awo's ass, and fought against Mid west freedom from the Yorubas, that was influential in mid western secession.

The COR would have never survived a democratic vote, the willink report showed that, if you believe that the willink report was Igbo influenced, then provide us with evidence backed rebuttal of the summation of the report, there is currently a thread on that. The "report on ground" grammar is you accepting that you have no proof for your lies, but nevertheless will continue arguing for arguments sake. The British even during the war from their intelligence report found out that only 1/3 of the Eastern minorities would have voted against Biafra, which was the exact reason Gowon turned down all options for UN Supervised plebiscite Ojukwu offered to him during the war.
So on this COR issue, you are fishing on shallow waters.

Make a Yoruba man our first Premier? Are you sane at all? Did any Yoruba man contest for the premier of the Eastern region? How many Yorubas lived in the East to even think of contesting for political posts, I will ignore the rest of your ranting here as that of a bitter man from an inconsequential ethnic group suffering from rabid form of Igbophobia and hence incapable of rational thoughts.

Yes, Igbanke felt that by staying in Edo, they could carve a niche of their own out of the Shadows of Agbor, little did they know that you Edo leeches will capitalize on their presence in Edo to spread you imperialism over them, yes! They are crying to be reunited back with Agbor in Delta North.

No, Ogbemudia is not an Igbanke man. He is a Bini Man with maternal lineage in Igbanke. Edos voted for him because he is an Edo and not an Igbanke.

Moreover, Ogbemudia was the governor of Midwest and later Bendel state, and not just Edo state.

And why should Ojukwu resign? He mustnt resign to show disapproval of Ironsi policies. The other military governors didn't approve of Ironsi either, but non of them resigned.


Afikpo Muslims are very minute and insignificant and even as of today are segregated by the mainstream Afikpo people, they are for all intents and purposes social misfits. And as of the era in discourse they are insignificant in number to make an impact even in Afikpo, Islam is considered anti social : www.informationng.com/2012/08/an-ibo-muslim-scholar-declares-his-challenges-being-a-muslim.html

Muslims are less than 5% of Afikpo population and are less than 0.05 % of Igboland population, being a Muslim is still considered as social deviance in Igboland and Igbo Muslims are often looked down upon by the Igbo society at large.
Comparing this scenario to that of Yorubaland where Muslims constitute 60- 40% of the population and Edoland where they dominate in an entire senatorial zone( Edo North) is at best a desperate attempt at winning an Argument.

There is nothing like Islamist North, North was North, one North. Awo went into alliance with the North ie UMBC, it's as simple as that. Your introducing the Islamist North and Non Islamist North into the discussion is at best childish, it's a known fact that the July 1966 coup was a Northern coup driven by the Hausa-Fulani North with Murtala as a kingpin, Gowon was merely an arrow head brought in later, Gowon wasn't representing the middle belt, he represented the aspirations of the "Islamist North" as led by the Hausa-Fulani, and Awo had no problem allying with him. This your whole Islamist/ Non Islamist submission is a non starter.


Politics is politics and is all about winning. Awo was a rabid Igbophobic being, yet he courted the Igbo for votes in 1978, when he felt the Igbo would be holding grudges against the North for the war, with Awo himself having been dumped by the North.

Zik seeking Awo's hand in 1964 or not is irrelevant to what happened earlier and why Zik left Awo in the Lurch for the North, Zik also sought UMBC hand.

On the contrary, Akintola was sent to the North by Awo to broker a deal, not knowing that Awo was equally looking at striking a deal with the East too. Akintola was of the opinion that a deal with the North was better for the West and was angry when he learnt that Awo's treachery caused the deal to break down, and Awo was left forming a deal with the less influential UMBC, Akintola blamed Awo's treachery for the weakening of the Yoruba race and their slip out of central relevance, and from then henceforth Akintola felt that Awo was no longer good enough to anchor the Yoruba ship and started working towards replacing him.

Awo working with UMBC led to instability in the North and the North had to pay him back in his own coin, and in Akintola, they found a willing tool in that regard.

Akintola was right in blaming Awo treachery for the loss of Yorubas in the first republic, his double game treachery wasted Akintola's mission, even though Akintola was sent on that mission by Awo, if not for Awo's treachery that was brought to the knowledge of the North,Akintola would have sealed that deal fast and Zik and Ndiigbo would have been the ones left in the lurch.
Sorry, I see no superior logic in your presentation,what I see is straw clutching.

Gowon never had the ultimate power,he lived in the Knowledge that he was living on borrowed time, he was a water carrier of the Hausa-Fulani junta, and lasted as long as he kept doing their bidding. He was ousted when they felt his job was done. It was a simple matter. Murtala always had the ultimate control of the "boys".

Enahoro and Awo were released because the core North needed a southern alliance to stop Biafra, it was more of a strategic move than an emotional one.

Your insistence at dragging Zik into the criminal and treason case of Awo and Enahoro is pathological. Akintola and Balewa were the ones that had direct issues with Awo. Akintola for the sake of personal ambitions, Balewa for the sake of Vendetta on Awo's instability inducing alliance with the UMBC. The Tiv riots occurred between 1960-64 and the NPC leaders blamed AG led by Awo and Enahoro for the events that led to that.

lowgeorge:
Stfu.....
Bloody schemers
Cunny parasites displaying subtle bragadoccio to fool nd confuse decapitated minds....
All your epistle just constructed to build a needless toxic symbiotic lucre with peace loving pple who are not dominating in nature or bloody schemers like you opportunist....



Above nd yonder down to the HADES u shld see a Igbo man struggling wth a supreme being for coins... Shylotic plunderers

Yoruboid being. This one pain am wella.

fombadi:
point is:
Anioma = Delta Igbos. Same way Akatas are called African Americans. 
But y'all attempting to claim a people that now have a different identity. 
Human migration started in Africa. Hence, we all know Africa is the mother of all nation. But nations that sprang out of Africa now have their own identity.

Same way Akata are now African Americans 
Anioma ppl are Delta Igbos
They are not Igbos , they have similar but different dialects from Igbos. 

In a nutshell Asaba is an habitation of Deltan Igbos and other Deltans plus other Nigerians , Asaba isn't an Igbo land or city. It's a part of the SS Niger Delta, the East isn't.

Ignoramus! Does the Asaba man look to you like a descendant of slave? Is Asaba on a different contingent from Onitsha as America is from Africa?

What New identity does Asaba now have? Western Igbos? Midwestern Igbos? Bendel Igbo, Delta Igbo? Do you now know more about Asaba than the traditional ruler of Asaba who currently heads Igbo traditional rulers council and a grand patron of Ohanaeze Ndiigbo?

Your Ignorance is beyond human comprehension, What different dialect are you talking about? What do you know about the SE and the myriads of dialects there to make such submissions?

You deserve a brain transplant Surgery, your current one is dead! You mean that Nzeogwu's coup was a Midwestern coup, and no longer an Igbo coup, since Nzeogwu was an Igbo from Mid west?

Keep deceiving yourself, your wise ones like Prof Itsay sagay and his co travellers, know that Asaba is an Igbo city. Asaba is the only city in the entire SS where the street lingua franca is Igbo and not pidgin
As a Nigerian, you can live in Asaba if you feel like,but you will be silly to think that Asaba is not an Igbo city.