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This Edo man here was taking glory in Edo enslaving a people he called "Igbos".

We all know he is talking about Anioma, the same people they claim are Edos when it suits them.
But the cunning man cannot come out plain to say it, because he wants to still claim them as Edo people on another day when it suits him.

Do you blame him? Nope? The blame lays with Ika and Ukwuani people suffering from inferiority complex and Stockholm syndrome and on some misguided Igbos being to soft on such people in the name of trying to woo them over to accepting Igbo tag.
I asked the Edo man to clarify the so called "Igbos" his Edo people enslaved, he kept tactical silence. Because he knows it couldn't be SE. Ika and Ukwuani they used as slaves in the past become Igbos when its time to fan their (Edo) little egos like the poster I attached his post here and even Reno Omokri did, but they become non Igbos and Bini descendants when it suits their land grab and need for people to swell up their minority number.

https://www.nairaland.com/6161623/nri-benin-kingdom-oyo-empire/7#109227989

Even though we know that Bonny, Opobo and Ndoki are all Igbo speaking people and hence part and parcel of Ancient Igbo land and that the story told above is nothing more than usual Ijaw Ogogoro induced fascinations and hallucinations.
But because these desperate Ijaws are currently after Opobo and Bonny, having been defeated and chased off Ndoki Facebook pages by Ndoki people, they are now showing their fangs on Ndoki, calling them Igbos and trying to denigrate them.

Ohambele Ndoki became Igbo because it served their purpose today, when it doesn't, Ndoki and Ohambele becomes "Aminandokiari" Ijaws.

Edos are doing same thing with Ika and Ukwuani people.
I will provide receipts now.

Bkayyy:
That's why the question "who are those Igbos you are talking about" tear their underwear.

I remember asking an Ijaw revisionist that question in a seminar where he claims that the whole rivers state including Ikwerre are descendants of Ijaw.
I never cared about his imaginations until he brought that their Imaginary Igbo slaves as a stigma into it.

Then I asked him the brain resetting question "who exactly are those Igbos you took as slaves" and everywhere became quiet.
Oga packed his projector, everyone else packed their bags and books and the seminar came to an end.

It's very funny. I don't blame them, I blame the brainless Igbos in SS falling to their tricks.

Ijaws would shout that Ndoki is Ijaw when it pleases them. But when it doesn't, Ndoki becomes Igbo.
See a post they made in their stupid Facebook page:

Did you know?

In 1884 (c), an Igbo ruler in Ohambele by name Odumegege (Ohambele is located in present day Abia State) was so infuriated with the fact that King Jugbo Jugbofem (Jaja pictured here) of the Ijaw kingdom of Opobo refused him to trade directly with the Europeans that he started insulting Jaja by saying that how on earth did Jaja an Igbo man became so powerful in an Ijaw kingdom. Jaja being a man of few words, reacted to this insult of belittling him as an igbo even after taking the oath of allegiance in Bonny that made him a complete ibani ijaw civilised man. Jaja sent his war ships down to Ohambele with instructions to capture this loud mouthed igbo man alive and bring him to Opobo, where he was SKINNED ALIVE, Till this day, a drum made of his skin is still played occasionally in the ijaw kingdom of Opobo.

SweetiliciousD:
If Bubu smiles at Amaechi, game over ni

Igbos will que behind Amaechi for obvious reasons, Amaechi's Igbo hot headed blood is undeniable.

His support for Buhari legacy is top notch

His Yorubaness transcends his name

His youthful age advantage is phenomenal

He has been endeared to the the north for his penchant for infrastructural turnaround

Game over naaa ni

Amaechi would have to prove he is Igbo by supporting a SE president of APC extraction.
He would have to wait for the SS turn to produce President to contest, he will not be allowed to use SE quota by SEners, because he is not from SE. But if he insists on coming out, we will not stop him, neither would we work against him, we would treat him like we treated Ekwueme in 1979 and 1983, we will queue behind a SE presidential candidate, or a ticket that would pave way for emergence of SE presidency in shortest time,we would leave Amaechi to his fate, we will not support or witch-hunt him.
Justice demands that when next presidency returns to South, it should go to SE, as SS and SW have had their turns. Any one that proposes anything else is sitting on justice and obviously doesn't mean well for NIGERIA, because peace cannot exist without justice and equity.

AreaFada2:
I write because of cultured people quietly reading, so that a swearing uncouth agbero doesn't believe that he can intimidate reasonable people. Because 9ja is a place where thugs and touts run things, sadly.

While you like insulting anyhow like a garage boy, you have not been able to dispute what a contemporary French explorer and trader, Mr Landolphe, said. In his diary, during his journey between Benin City and Gwatto (Ughoton) port, of the 100 or so slaves displayed along the roadside for sale, the slaves and the traders were majorly Igboid and Yoruboid subjects. No Benin people. What you forget is that all successful empires gave various degrees of autonomy to provinces/chiefdoms/kingdoms who had their norms and traditions. Empires that refused to do so often faced disobedience and uprising simultaneous in several colonies. Very costly to quell many rebellions at the same time.

It's a pity many do not like to read anymore. Good to read about Egyptian, Greek, Achaemenid, Roman, Ottoman, and other empires.

Of late, some crazy Igbo people try to cause animosity between Benin and other Edoid people. A lazy divide and rule tactics. grin cheesy.

They should focus on their Biafra fight with Fulani and MURIC and leave others out.

What you forget is that Benin people moved as far as Ghana. I have met many Ga people (principal owners of Accra) who confirmed their Benin origin. You were idiotic to read where I wrote that there were some raids in peripheral Benin villages. If in all 1,000 people were caught in those raids and assuming 500 survived the transportation and inhumane conditions to arrive in the Americas and if even just 250 managed to reproduce, don't you know how many thousands their descendants would be today? Yet, it would be miniscule compared to Igbos in Haiti/Tabago/Jamaica or Yorubas in Brazil and elsewhere.

All Edoid people knew their relationship with Benin/monarchy, including confirmation of dukes/rulers of those places back then. Some may not know in the confused, messed up and distorted 9ja entity of today.

Lol! Which Edoid people do you mean by the above.
Stop speaking in riddles.

Shiver99:
Out of confusion, you ask them why they think that they were more advanced than the Igbos.

Only to find out it was because they had one mortal man feeding fat off the labor of an entire populace; so. To them, this is the hallmark of civilisation.

From an Igbo perspective, this is very odd. But you just have to get used to it. These folks are very proud of having absolute monarchies, even though it meant their living standards were far below many Igbos.

That's the funny thing.
Civilization= Being ruled by one fat retarded old man, who marries lots of wives, doesn't farm, but feed off the farm works of others in form of tribute.

These people are mad. I would be angry with my ancestors if they accepted such a stupid arrangement.

But I guess everyone is entitled to their own cup of tea. It gets funny when decendants of people whose ancestors were worshipping and feeding retarded and senile old men they called kings, try to pass off this stupidity as Hallmark of civilization.
It's shocking. Even in 21st century some of them are still worshipping these fat senile old men whose past time hobbies includes to accumulation of wives.

Shiver99:
Is this what you are talking about?

You have any idea what Colonial book that picture is from and part of Igboland it was taken?

Shiver99:
Is this what you are talking about?

Yes!
Thanks.
Very beautiful.

DubaiLandLord:


The guy is not from Rivers State

He is either from Ebonyi, Abia, Enugu, Anambra or Imo state

What happened to your Sufferingboy handle?

NGpatriot:
Lekki deep seaport with Coastal railway from Lekki/Epe Axis means the seaports from SS to SE are all dead

What's the point to ship to SS/SE ports when you have lekki deep seaport to receive and transport goods along that corridor all the way to the SE safe and secure?

Lekki - Deep seaport.

Lekki - Largest single refinery in the world

Lekki - The Largest fertilizer plant in the world

Lekki - The Largest petrochemical plant Africa

Lekki - Largest FTZ in West Africa

Lekki - The Largest concentration of luxury resorts in Nigeria


Great time to be a Nigerian.

Great time to be a Yoruba you mean?

aribisala0:
The Eboes never evolved any kind of political administration beyond village level umunna politics
That is why it was easy for smaller groups to dominate , hunt and sell them as slaves for centuries


Many parrot egalitarian nonsense forgeting that there are monarchical orders in Onitsha, Oguta , Aro to name a few.
They claim to be democrats but they are not . Eboe society is organized to favor the rich
A small boy with money can but the highest titles in the land and order his elders to be flogged if they provoke him
Slavery was common so how can a society with slavery claim to be egalitarian. How can a society with Osus claim to be egalitarian
This claim of egalitarianism is another manifestation of Eboe narcissism; a tendency to see themselves as lions when others see them for the pussycat that they really are
The Aro were enslaved by the Akamkpa who established a ruling dynasty that is present till today. Aros are ruled by an externally derived dynasty. The Akamkpa were more civilized and introduced Nsibidi and the Ekpe secret society

Others had their share of the IEboe slave market. The Ijaaws, Efiks and even itsekiri all had a share of the Eboe slave pie

This umunna psychology persists among most Eboes till tomorrow

The people that call themselves Eboes today had little contact historically and many are just descendants of ahuge population of slaves freed by Ijaws and Efiks when the slave trade ended

The Ezes in Aro and Onitsha or Oguta are not Kings in the sense of King with a Kingdom who owes the land.
They were mostly Representatives of the Court which was made up titled men.
This is why the title of Eze in places where titular heads exist in Igboland is called Obi, which means COURT! They are representing the Court and have no land except those they share with their Umunna. Land in Igboland belongs to Umunna and a king have no control over lands. So where is the Kingdom?

No stupid none Igbo dare Cross Igboland and went Scot free, so I wonder which group you said hunted Igbos for slave.
The slave hunters in Igboland were the Abam, Edda, Ohafia who worked for the Aros. And they were and are all Igbo speaking Indigenous groups as well.

The Igbo society is egalitarian in that a man dies with his titles and cannot pass it off to the children.
The children must build their own reputation to earn titles built on purity or wealth to build one given on wealth.
There were no aristocrats. A child of a poor man can aspire to be among the titled men of the society and achieve it if he is hardworking enough or demonstrate uprightness, purity and wisdom.

You keep parroting the senseless Akamkpa story you manufactured out of your ass. Are you okay at all? No such thing in Aro.
Aro call themselves "Oke Igbo" (greatest of Igbos) and have been Igbo since the beginning of time.

Umunna is the basic unit of Igbo society, the real strength of Igbo spirit. It's the force behind our democratic tenets and aspirations as a people.

HedwigesMaduro:
I know you can't read (except the inscriptions on a gala carton), but get one of the little elementary boys in your area to get a history book on Nigeria. If you're attentive enough you should hear him read out things like the Oyo Empire, Sokoto Caliphate, Bornu Empire, Benin Empire etc. Though you may still not understand because during those period Igbo ancestors were still wearing palm f**king fronds and hopping from tree to tree.

Those were mushroom kingdoms disguising as empires.
Who did they defeat?

Oyo empire was ransacked by Nupe people, Oyo ile was seized and have become Nupeland ever since then.

All Yorubas went to British to beg them to colonize you just to free yourselves from senseless Kiriji fights you were having with yourselves. You were so pathetic you couldn't master the simple act of conflict resolution among yourself that you resorted to submitting to British colonialism willfully to save yourself from yourselves.

Sokoto and Bornu were easily brought under British control. Is that one an empire?

Bini was ransacked and raised to ground with Oba hounded like a common thief to Calabar just in a matter of 5 days.

And these are what you call empires?

My Igbo ancestors were teaching your Yoruba ancestors superior metallurgy skills.
Our clothing industry was so superior that William Balfour called our clothes "Fancy clothes", whereas you needed Portuguese and Mohammedians to supply you with clothes.

Ndiigbo both mounted the fiercest and most sustained resistance to British colonialism in this area called Nigeria today.
Be they the Enu-anis, the Aros and allies, the Ezza, etc.

You are not Igbo match Biko. When we speak, you should sit down and take notes.

ChinenyeN the Ijaw woman writing thrash as usual.
She went missing in action in the Bonny thread and left her Ijaw brothers to be pummeled to stupidity by cold hard historical facts by Ndiigbo, because she couldn't provide one single Colonial document that ever linked Bonny or Opobo to her Ijaw people.

But here she is , like a coward out from her hide out, writing long useless and incoherent posts.
Tufia.

ChinenyeN, you claim to be an academia, I double dare you to provide one Colonial document linking Bonny or Opobo to your Ijaw( Jos-people).

IGBOSON1:
The purpose of the Egyptian pyramids are known.....they were built as a resting place for the great Pharaohs of Egypt. Egyptians believed in the afterlife, so they built these huge monuments and buried their dead kings there as well as stocked the tombs lavisly with their expensive belongings like gold, apparels, chariots, etc. Unfortunately, they've been plundered by tomb raiders over the past centuries.

These are only theories.
No one knew for sure why those pyramids were built.

nku5:
Awka metal workers were in high demand even outside Igbo land. The Benin kingdom's demand for their high quality weapons made many of them very rich

Yes. But they were not the only blacksmiths in Igboland.
They were just the most popular. There were Nkwerre, Ehugbo, Agbaja(Okpogho town), etc blacksmith centres in Igboland too.
Awka was just the finnest and most travelled.

There is this precolonial picture of Igboland I once stumbled somewhere, where the people created a layered (stratified) viewing/sitting stands in the community Ilo/ama, where spectators sat to watch the local wrestling tournaments or even during community gathering for meetings.

I have been searching for that picture with no success for days now.
I was proud our ancestors thought of such innovation.

I noticed groups who never had Indigenous cloth making, and had to depend on Mohammadians bringing "Konkosa" ( that's what we call Agbada and Babariga in Igbo) to them, talking about Igbo civilization not having clothing.

Let it be known that just as the Igbo are the most advanced black race in terms of metallurgy in the area called Nigeria in precolonial era, so were we in clothing weaving.
Akwete became the most famous cloth weaving centre in Igboland, just like Awka became the most black smiths, but as a matter of fact, there were hundreds of cloth weaving centres scattered all over Igbo interior in precolonial area, and the quality and quantity of their products were unmatched by those from elsewhere outside Igboland and within the area we call Nigeria

Willam Balfour Baike was in Igboland in 1850s, and this is what he had to say about Igbo textile industry.
He actually called our products "Fancy clothes".
Do you blame him, the clothes were so beautiful and elegant that he had to use that choice of word.
If we never wore our fancy clothes everyday in such a way to cover every part of our body, it's because of our hot and humid rainforest which wasn't compatible with heavy clothing.

IGBOSON1:
I wish there had been a widespread use of more durable building materials back then. That way, those pyramids might still be standing till today...like the ones in Egypt built more than 3,000 years ago!

You know the specific purpose of the Nsude pyramids?

No one really knows. Just as no one really knows what Egyptian pyramids were for.

HedwigesMaduro:
Yeebos don't cease to amaze me. Did you just ask whether there were empires in Nigeria?

Yes. I asked. Was there any?
I mean empire not mushroom local kingdoms masquerading as empires that the British sacked within days.
Now answer me, was there any empire in Nigeria?

SaintBishop:
The grand king of Bonny his Majesty King Edward Asimini William Dappa Pepple III never used Eze as his tilte neither his fore fathers before him.
Bonny belong to igbos? You are nothing but a joke, the IBANI people of Bonny who are of ijaw origin owns Bonny. That's why the IBANI language is teach everywhere today in Bonny. Any igbo you see in Bonny are descendants of slaves they don't belong there.

No body is taught his language by outsiders (Bayelsans in this case).
Your language is called your mother tongue, because you learn it from your mother at home.

Bonny and Opobo speak Igbo as mother tongue.
Ijaw Fraudulent attempt at imposing the dead Kalabari language that you are calling "Ibani language" today, will continue to fail like it has failed since past decades.

This is Opobo today.

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In line with the way, Opobians took our Nwaotam to Bonny in 1941. The Dappa-Ye-Amakiri Ikina today 7th January 2022 has introduced a new masquerade (Rafia Play) from Bonny to Opobo. The masquerade has two-face; the human face and Agu face, which gave it the name "Agu Na Madu.

Stay Tuned, We’ll bring Live Stream.

In 1935, G. I. Jones, an anthropoligist and colonial administrator took pictures of the Nsude pyramids, ancient Igbo pyramids, in Udi, Enugu state Nigeria with a Roloflex camera which he acquired and developed a system for immediate developing which produced negatives of such high quality that they continue to produce excellent prints six decades later. It was at this time that he built up the extraordinary photographic record of Southeastern Nigerian culture.

The pyramids, numbering 10 in number are circular and stepped and were made of clay.

Here are pictures of the pyramids:

HedwigesMaduro:
They were so civilized that that had no single empire. Remove your mask.

Lol!
Was there any empire in Nigeria?
Ndiigbo were democrats.

Armaggedon:
Ekealterego aka pazienza aren't you intelligent enough to know you are being 'railroaded' into causing division among Anioma people by a known impostor?

Pazienza isn't same person as Ekealterago.

SaintBishop:
Which igbo? Amayanabo is an ijaw word. The Igbo word for king is Eze.

The word for king in Opobo and Bonny remains Eze.
Amayanabo is a title for a king.
Just as Enanchioke is a title for a king in Ohafia.
Ijaws are strangers in Opobo and Bonny living on borrowed time.

Ekealterego:
Please, an influential youth leader and group admin in one of the largest Ndokwa group is just "anybody"?

Correct yourself... it is Ndo-Osumili (you don't even know how to spell what you claim to have knowledge about)

I don't think you know them too well... you knowledge is definitely limited. It is Ndo-Osumili that see themselves as superior. They have been for centuries. They have traded with Europeans and other ethnic groups long long before anybody in that vicinity.

Igboid, you can lend your voice. I know you know Ndo-Osumili a bit.



Either ways,

The character you are chatting with is not from Delta state let alone Anioma.
His other moniker is Dubailandlord.
I don't think he is worth the effort.
I think he is either from the North or from Edo state, likely those Edo Muslims.

Ekealterego:
Embrace your ethnicity once and for all. You have been found out long ago.

The way you are quick to champion Ijaw unity and Igbo disintegration is always an interesting thing to witness.

You couldn't keep the gimmick long enough.

She actually kept it long enough.
Just that we never figured it out out soon enough because Igbo have never focused on Bonny and Opobo since after the war like we are currently doing.

ChinenyeN:
I’ve gotten bored with this back and forth. This nonsense is played out, and I am no longer interested in this convo with you Igbo nationalists. I’ll let my post history speak on my behalf. If you like, respond to this comment. Just know that I won’t respond back. In fact, if this is all you Igbo nationalists have to say to me going forward, just know that I also won’t respond back going forward. Enjoy talking to yourselves from here on in.

Stop already and quit disgracing yourself further.
You are an Ijaw nationalist, but you are angry and bitter that Igbos are Igbo nationalist, are you not mad like this?
Come on zuzu puo nu zo.

DubaiLandLord:
Ibo spirit of attaching don dey enter the ijaws

Sufferingboy, how far nah. Nah this moniker sure pass now?

Amayanabo= Ama onye na abo.
Land of two kings.

From the era in Bonny when the kingdom had two kings.

The Ijaw word for King is Pere!

Amayanabo is Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
Are you not a Nigerian? We speak at least two or three languages on average. You can’t honestly be surprised that there are Igbo people that understand languages other than Igbo. Please, don’t waste my time here.

Lol!
Igbo man speak Ijaw?
For what exactly?
Bloody impostor like you.

Amayanabo is Igbo and means a town of two kings!
Simple.

ChinenyeN:
All indications suggest that the term amanyanabo is an Ijaw expression. If you understand Ijaw, you will see that the expression is easily decipherable.

Ama - town, country
Nyana - own, have
Bo - person

If you understand Ijaw syntax, you will see that the statement “ama nyana bo” is 100% syntactically and grammatically correct. There are also cultural factors that further indicate that it is an Ijaw expression. The Amanyanabo title is highly connected with the Canoe House (or War Canoe House) system, which is a distinct cultural feature of Ijaw. The Amanyanabo title is also only present in Ijaw-speaking communities.

The Igbo-speaking communities that neighbor Ijaw-speaking communities also have a similar (perhaps analogous) title/expression. You will hear either “Onyenweala” or “Mbichiriama” (and their variants). Onyenweala is more analogous to Amanyanabo, because you can see the direct translation between the concepts.

Onye - person
Nwe - own, have
Ala - land, country

Compare this to the decomposition of Amanyanabo provided above, we see evidence of two different language structures, both syntactically and grammatically correct for their given languages.

Now here is where things get interesting.

We know that the expression “Amanyanabo” is indisputably Ijaw. However, we also know that the institution is recent. All the accounts I have so far come across suggest that for most Ijaw-speaking communities, their first Amanyanabo appears between the 17th to 18th centuries; even later for many others. Bonny is no exception to this. This evidence of the late development of the Amanyanabo institution suggests that the expression itself may also be recent. It makes someone like me curious about the extent of cultural exchange between Ijaw-speaking communities and their Igbo-speaking counterparts in the eastern part of the Lower Niger.

I would not be surprised if such exchange facilitated the development of “Amanyanaboship” (as Charles Ogan put it). Granted, we (as of yet) have no established chronology for the Onyenweala/Mbichiriama institution, so we cannot speak about this potential cultural exchange with any sort of authority. However, I suspect it at least warrants some investigation and can likely upend some currently held academic notions regarding the social, cultural and political history of the Lower Niger.

So you understand Ijaw!

Good to see you embracing your true self.