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JANK23H:
Journal actually...
I understand 1960 was a bad period for Igbos, but you don't expect the rest of us to wipe it away from human history/timeline..Jeez!

JANK23H:
Journal actually...
I understand 1960 was a bad period for Igbos, but you don't expect the rest of us to wipe it away from human history/timeline..Jeez!

BKayy:
You just like writing nonsense.
When did Kalabari turn to Ijaw? Have you forgotten Boma of BBNaija that also confirmed that Kalabari being referred to as Ijaw is fallacy on national TV?

Maybe your stupidity is not yet cleared because you still call the place "Kalabari" which is a corrupted form of "New Calabar".
The real name of the place is "BOM" go and ask their Elders.

I am happy that you are the one that decided to expose the alien nature of Ijaw in between one Igbo clan of Oguta (Ugwu-nta) , Kalabari (Bom) etc.
I remember when we showed you people "Ụmụ Okirika" in Imo State and you were shocked. Atleast the breeze of truth now blows from all sides including you aliens.

cc SlayerForever, Ekealterego, Igboid

film3four:
It's a lie. Port Harcourt has about 10 and more are ongoing, while ebonyi has only 2 or 3, if you doubt me show us the pictures one by one.

Alabo7978:
The first BOLDED part very rightly explains why the creeks belonged to the ijaws alone, it was very undesirable for habitation due to the disease and death in it. That was why we had to use our trading canoes to go upstream to azumini blue river(the center of commerce then) to batter our salt, dried fish, perriwinkles, snails etc for yams, oil, maize.
We also traded with the Benins who like the hinterlands didn't see any good in coming down to the creeks. It was during the palm oil trade that things changed.
You just said exactly what I've been saying all along.

They didn't jump.
Those days, there were navigable route to even Arabia from Nigeria, so there was a long hike through trading route. They were most probably fleeing an invasion.

The sierraleonean kru are too small to have had ijaws come from there.
The kru people you know were fishermen who got lost during fishing expedition, I also had a cousin who got lost one early morning back from fishing, he was returning from camp and the fog was too much and when it cleared, he found himself at Kula.
Ijaw men who go on long fishing expedition on the coast get lost, some never came back again and it is a well known tale from those days.

The comparison with the Vikings were based on commanding a water vessel, and yes I know of that book by the Yoruba guy. In one page he made mention of the ijaws too.
I could research and write a thesis on it but that's not my calling.

SlayerForever:
Thank you in anticipation. The navigational and naval prowess of the great Igbos were captured copiously across several literature. Our academia have done us a generational disservice by not bringing this to the consciousness!

Hisbah21:
nice one..something u will not see in Biafra

Alabo7978:
Do you now want to say igbos speak an Oru dialect?


You aren't even saying anything about the mode of greeting
Imbanua which can be understood by ijaws.

That alone is a pointer on who the oru's are, and why a sub Igbo people instead of answering IBOS and using the CENTRAL DIALECT, they chose to say imbanua.

Brother open your brain.
It's morning, your brain should be sharp naa.

Alabo7978:
Lol, but wait a minute, why is no one talking about the Oru-igbo and why they greet in an ijoid Language?
Putindbut JANK23H robbstark look how Igboid SlayerForever etc avoided that one.

Oru-igbo nua o!!!

Alabo7978:
LMAO
how does "mini" relate to "minji"
You're talking to a Tata abi?
Mini can never be corrupted because it is too simple abeg.
Guy no dey lie.
Minji,mindi,mingi are the ijoid words for water.
So if they write this in an interview to pick out the odd one
(Mingi,mindi,minji, mini)
You go fail like this?

Alabo7978:
Calm down ogbeni
There are always nuisance found anywhere.
Bandits use to terrorize Nembe waters too.

Unknown gun men terrorize you people too, but they are still igbos.

Few days back, didn't unknown gun men gang rape some female students at anambara?

Remove the log in your eyes first brother man.

Alabo7978:
He had a daughter asi-mini BY NAME.
open your eyes.


The spot where she dissapeared is called asi-mini minji, meaning Asi-mini's water!

You get eyes but you no dey see.

JANK23H:
Good thing you now accept where the Rio Real is.Pereira noted that the people who live around the Rio Real and other rivers along the Atlantic are Jos.In fact he said they occupy a large country.

Putindbutt:
Gbam! This was the same Talbot he was priding called them "great" earlier but has suddenly become irrational. You see how their sentiments swings to wherever that trips their egos

Alabo7978:
Captain crow's work is so fallacious that it isn't even referenced in any academic work.
If only he had stucked to marine taxi driving.

Man was joining ijaw words and igbo words and Calling it Igbo words.

He said the founders call it OKOLOMA after the curlews flew, but it contradicts him because that isn't Igbo.
Yet our hinterland neighbors kept holding unto him and the 1830s expedition

Alabo7978:
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Okoloama curlew town, good.
But how smart of you to cut half the story, but I'm a good story teller and I'll complete it.

... Alagbiriye who was a powerful native doctor at the time sacrificed his daughter who became the source of spring or water THEY CALLED MINJI!
In my Nembe DIALECT we call it mindi.

In essence sef, wetin you dey yarn?

JANK23H:
Lol...
Porbeni rest.I showed you research work by George T. Basden that mentioned Bonny,you said he didn't ask chiefs and prefer the one from a drunk ship captain.When I presented the one from Captain Pereira,you said he didn't mention Bonny.

JANK23H:
Hold onto yours,I'll hold onto mine.

Putindbutt:
The usage of"great" in the context was not literal. It connotes population. What did ibos achieve at the time to have been considered great?
superior is a different argument.

JANK23H:
Do you know how radiocarbon dating work?
Do you also realise that there are inaccuracies with this dating technique and that scientists have published journals questioning its accuracy?
In essence, it's not foolproof/Besides I'll take a journal published by Igbo archeologists with a pinch of salt

Putindbutt:
The " great" means population. He was talking in terms of large number of population. If you read old books of English novelists, you won't have sounded ignorant.

JANK23H:
You seemed to pick out only Talbot from the list of authors there.I had quoted Kay Williamson's 'Linguistics evidence for the prehistory of the NigerDelta'

JANK23H:
How would an Igbo man give a country an Ijo name.That should tell you there are holes in that account.You've all tried to spin that Okoloama meaning and it still doesn't stick.

JANK23H:
Lol..Go and read Basden's book.It was specifically about Igbos,and the areas they occupy in Nigeria, and the research was thorough.He was emphatic!

That book destroys all you assertions.Crows work isn't a research but a poorly written memoir.Dump that in the trash.

JANK23H:
Just like some of your excerpts have also "perhaped".Slayerforever even when on to "think".

Since your new preoccupation is to learn about Ijo history, Google these:

Professor J.S, Coleman in his book titled Nigeria: Background to Nationalism (Los Angeles, 1963, p. 28) describes the Ijaws as "perhaps the most ancient in West Africa whose Language has little or no affinity with any other in Nigeria ". In similar vein Professors Stride and Ifeka submit: "Some of the oldest inhabitants of the Atlantic Coast are the Jola, Pepeh and Sorer of the Senegambia, and Sherbro and Bulom of Sierra Leone. Along the Guinea Coast, the Lagoon folk of Ivory Coast, the Guan of Southern Ghana and the Ijaws of the Niger Delta (underlining ours) must be included among the most ancient of the coastal dwellers." (.G.T Stride and C. Ifeka, peoples and empires of West Africa 1000-1800, 1971, P.S).
8. Dr. P.A Talbot, once acting Resident of Benin Division (1920), calls the Ijaws "this strange people- a survival from the dim past beyond the dawn of history- whose language and customs are distinct from those of their neighbors and without trace of any tradition of time before they were driven-southwards into these regions of sombre mangroves." (Tribes of the Niger Delta, 1932, p.5). In another context, Dr. Talbot submits firmly; "their (Ijaws) origin is wrapped in mystery. The people inhabit practically the whole Coast, some 250 miles in length, stretching between the Ibibio and Yoruba. The Niger Delta therefore, is…occupied by this strange people." (Ibid)
9. Professor Wilfrid D. Hambly testifies: " Beliefs held by the Ijaws are of particular interest because these people are probably the oldest inhabitants of Nigeria."(Serpent Worship in Africa, (Chicago, U.S.A. 1931, p.16). In another context, Professor Wilfrid Hambly declares firmly: "Pythons are held sacred throughout the region of Marsh lands and waters inhabited by the most ancient tribe of all, the Ijaws." "(underlining ours Ibid).
10. These and more are objective and honest historians and writers who have no ulterior motive for their work. They are unanimous in their submission that the Ijaws are the indigenous and most ancient people of the Delta and the riverine, coastal areas of Nigeria

JANK23H:
Notes on the Ibo country and the Ibo People, Southern Nigeria by George Basden,Pg 243

Alabo7978
Putinthebutt

JANK23H:
The peoples of Southern Nigeria by P A Talbot.1926