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In situations like this, Chinedu Okoro an Ogba stops being Ogba in the eyes of Nigerians and starts being Igbo.
And funny enough, you will not see his Ogba people come here to claim him. They will all maintain tactical silence and let Ndiigbo bear the brunt.

Vintagepipes:
...........Ndoki's name is simply, "Ndi Oki".
.......... No need for complications
.........The Ndo- suffix is all over Igbo land. in the same Abias, there are villages called, "Ndochina", "Ndokereke".
......Oki is an ancient word for oldest/eldest siblings
....... Many dialects still use it today, instead of Ochie, they say Oki or Okii. Go to Oratta for example.
........ The alternative ancient name for Ndoki is Okwa/Ukwa
...... ChinenyeN is a shameless Ijaw expansionist

Okay.
This is even better.
Thanks.
I have heard of Ndioki story before.

DubaiLandLord2:
Do you know you are breaking Nairaland Rule 1?

Do you know that you need some mental evaluation?

Kellibae:
Everything is not by name , some ikwere people don't have igbo name but they speak igbo.
Even some people from ebonyi which is igbo region, when u heard their name sef u will wonder if they are really igbo untill they speak igbo.
U may say burn boy is not igbo I'm not here to drag that with u becoz Eastern part of Nigeria what disintegrated by obasanjo and some other past leaders.

Check the screenshot below about where burna is from.. they speak ekpeye is is also igboid.
Igbo was big and vast until it was disintegrated

Ekpeye is Igboid and some Ekpeye leaders like Chibudom Nwuche remain proudly Igbo and do relate with Ohanaeze Ndiigbo.
But Burna boy is not Ekpeye.
He is Engenni ( a distinct Edoid speaking group). Engenni are not Ijaws as their language is Edoid and has no relationship with Ijaw.
But Ijaw has taken it upon themselves to annex any riverine community in Rivers and Akwaibom into their Political franchise. So Engenni identify politically as Ijaw.
But are not Ijaw.

Ekpeye people who are Igboid own Ahoada East LGA alone. But they share Ahoada West LGA with Engennis.
So not everyone from Ahoada West is Ekpeye (Igboid). Burna boy for example is from Ahoada West, but is from Engenni (Edoid) and not Ekpeye (Igboid).
I hope I have made this thing clearer for you.

OP is a Yoruba man working in their characteristic Cunning way to rubbish a perceived Igbo opponent to their God Tinubu.

OUK did very well in the interview.
Answered like a true politician. Skillfully avoided all traps the biased interviewers set for by using diversionary tactics!
Very impressive outing by OUK.

Kudos!

RedboneSmith:
You have been saying this on NL for a while now, but each time you are asked to present the evidence you go cold. Please, give us a direct quote from Landolphe's diary where he said Igbo slaves were displayed on the road between Benin and Ughoton. Don't ignore this request, please [even though you'll most likely ignore]. Post Landolphe's statement to this effect.

PS: I should inform you that I have access to Landolphe's "Memoires" in the original language (French), so if you bring a fake quote, I will find out.

You know the Igboid he meant there are the same Ika and Ukwuani people who suffer from Stockholm syndrome.
The same Ukwuani and Ika people the Binis will accept their ridiculous claims that they were Bini descendants when accepting such claims serves Bini Agenda.
But other times that it doesn't, like in this thread. The Binis call them Bini slaves.

Lol!

You can't blame Binis. The joke is on Ika and Ukwuani people suffering from identity crisis who gave them that loophole.

Secondarily.
If for any reason the secession clause was not removed before 1960.
It wouldn't have survived Gowon and Awolowo greed in 1967.
I mean Awolowo that backed and suggested the dissolution of the regions to create useless 12 states as a means to cripple BIAFRA to Gowon, and also helped Gowon remove the 50-50 sharing formula between regions and FG.
The same Awolowo that greedily facilitated the movement of oil companies headquarters from PH to Lagos.
This Awolowo wouldn't have let the Secession clause survive if it still existed when Gowon and Awolowo came to power.

So this whole secession clause thing is brainless, st.upid and redundant argument.
It has no basis.

mybiz234:
Have you seen why I said you Igbos are daft?

Imagine how you are arguing. You argue like an idiot.

You are condemned to be bound to Nigeria by Azikiwe. So, enjoy your bondage

You guys are only good in business. Focus on your business and leave politics/governance for those who know how to use their heads.

You are mad.
You claimed Zik stopped Awo from adding secession clause.
I asked you how Zik was able to achieve that? Did he have gun pointed at Awo? Did he have super power to get Awo and Balewa to agree to such.
You claimed Zik used the British. And I was wondering how Zik a single Individual could use the almighty British.
So I wondered maybe Awo declared Secession of Yorubaland and Zik galvanized army to invade Yorubaland.
But we know no such thing happened.

So basically, you are talking nonsense.

Zik a single man with no army to command, couldn't have forced Awo and Balewa to accept no Secession clause!

The least you can say is that he persuaded them on why it should be removed. Yet Awo and Balewa still had the option to decline.
If they accepted Zik opinion after persuasion by Zik, then they are responsible for their own actions as adults. ie they are as guilty as Zik in the clause removal because they agreed to it!

In essence, you actually have no talk. You are just a frustrated Yoruba man desperate to force Unity with Ndiigbo while making up illogical lies.

mybiz234:
go through the content of the link and stop behaving like a fool.

It was Azikiwe that put your tribe in perpetual bondage to Nigeria.

The same Awolowo you people call a bad person was trying to save your tribe from bondage, but your own Igbo brother, out of stupidity, lack of foresight and mental blindness, insisted that you must be in bondage.

https://pmnewsnigeria.com/2019/04/27/flashback-why-i-opposed-awolowo-on-secession-zik/

You are talking nonsense.
Quote the part of that post where Awolowo tried to secede and was held back by Zik using military force.

mybiz234:
Flaathead, go and read history. Zik was part of the representatives when Nigeria's constitution was being formed and he represented the entire eastern region.

Awolowo, representing the western region said people should be allowed to leave Nigeria if they want to, but Zik opposed him. Zik even said anyone who attempts to leave should be termed a traitor and the British backed him up since such an arrangement suits them.

It's strange I have to tell you all this. Do you read history at all? No?

So, boy, Zik has put your generation in bondage. You go no where. Now, your suffering Continues.

Can you provide the document where Zik said that anyone who wants to leave should be called a traitor during that secession clause conference.
I'm waiting.

mybiz234:
Oga, shut up. Your Azikiwe has forced everybody to be part of Nigeria. You brought this upon yourselves. So, you go no where.

You are the cause of the problem and you are also the ones crying loudest about opression. Now Your Suffering Continues.

Zik must have been a super human to be able to force everyone to be part of NIGERIA.
Mind explaining to me how Zik achieved this feat without a gun shot? Perhaps he could control people minds and make them agree to his opinions?
Mind explaining?

You are mentally not okay sha.
The suffering go round and is even worst in the North.

mybiz234:
Lolz. Since Buhari became president, how much opposition has notable people from your tribe given him?

Aside from abaribe, where is your representation?


The way your IPOB, ESN et al had been carrying on about Biafra indicates mental daftness. You think everything is all about chest beating and noisemaking. That's dumb.

Azikiwe has put your tribe in this, and you have no escape route. You are suffering from Azikiwe's daftness, stupidity and mental blindness

Why should we give opposition to a failure supposedly politically better people like your people elected?
You think us for fools to clean your mess for you?
We knew Buhari was a failure and called him out for what he is, years later people who claim to be politically better are realizing what we realized since 2007 when Buhari started wooing us by using Okadigbo as his VP, yet we rejected him.

How is taking about Biafra mental daftness? Are you not ret.arded laidis? Catalonia also wants independence from Spain, likewise Quebec from Canada.
Grow up, unity cannot be by force.

You are mad. What did Zik put Ndiigbo in? Are you living in eldorado in PH, Abuja, Ibadan, Sokoto or Lagos?
Is it not the same rot and suffering? Are you buying your gas and food stuffs at different prize from Igbos?
Do you not see how daft you sound?
You can't keep a person on the ground without staying on that same ground with the person.
That's the situation NIGERIA is with Igbos since 1970.
To forcefully keep Igbos in Nigeria, Nigeria pressed a self destructive button it WILL never ever recover from again.
Is the dream of every Nigerian youth not to escape the hell fire Called Nigeria for better climes?

Una Mumu never do.

Osagyefo98:
Nzuzu on freestyle.

Nwokem you are just destroying yourself and mind. That community and others will still be there over years and continue to be while you likes will be at far distance gnashing your teeth expecting the unimaginable.

It is high time you ipob boys let others be and focus on issues in your community.

Even here nobody knows or hear about your community, you don't propagate them. They are all oblivion to you while all you drink and think day and night is Opobo, bonny, Ijaw ...bla bla bla

Emelughu eme? Gbapu uriom even if na person do am.

#spits

It's funny though.
You are a non Igbo who is obsessed with Ndiigbo, never seen on your own ethnic group topics, you even speak Igbo.

But you are chiding an Igbo who is genuinely interested in happenings in an Island where Igbo Language is spoken as Modern tongue.

The Irony.

mybiz234:
Even the way your Ojukwu handled the civil war and the way you guys have been commenting on National issues indicate mental emptiness, not ingenuity.

You may be good in business, but you are daft when it comes to politics

How did Ojukwu handle the civil war.
And how have we been commenting on national issues?

Igbos are daft in politics can only come out from a daft brain.
All over the world in functional societies, Igbos have excelled in politics. An Igbo is even a senator in Italy! The first African to achieve that.
Have Igbos not been justified in our assessment of Buhari as a failure?

ba7man:
Most major step the so called ingenious tribe has taken resulted in near destruction of the nation and hardship that has transcended generations.

(1) Azikiwe abolished regions and eliminated the secession clause from our constitution.

(2) Ironsi introduced coup into the mindset of the millitary which set the nation back for decades.

(3) Ojukwu dragged the nation into a civil war.

(4) Importation which they excel in is actually the biggest killer of manufacturing and the economy in Nigeria, thus weakening our currency.

If say na better tins dem dey import, e for better. Fakest and lowest quality of everything down to fake pharmaceutical drugs for sick and dying people (Collect their money, even if it means killing the sick)........ well, at least they deal in the best quality hard drugs.

When and how did Zik abolish the regions and secession clause?
Zik argued for removal of secession clause, Awo and Balewa agreed.
Zik never pointed gun at them, neither did he have an army to command that would have brought Awo and Yorubas back to Nigeria if they seceded!
Actually,it was Awo who helped Gowon abolish the regions and created the 12 dysfunctional states that marked the death of NIGERIA as a progressive entity.
The 12 states was Awo advice alongside other actors. In their evil attempt to cripple Biafra, they put a nail in Nigeria's coffin and now their people are shamelessly looking for who to pin their actions on!

2. The first coup Don in Nigeria was by Awolowo.
He was tried by Cooker commision and found guilty of treasonable felony and embezzlement of public funds.
Many still believe that Awo was behind Nzeogwu coup. Awo would seal his reputation as a chronic coup planner when he attempted another coup against IBB and was exposed by Jakande who ratted him to IBB. IBB gave him the option to go on exile or go to jail.
Awo chose to take the easy way out by taking his own life.

3. Ojukwu left your dead Useless country for you and declared Biafra for us.
We left your Lagos and North for you and all retreated home to Biafra to build a functional nation.
Gowon and Awolowo declared war on Biafra. You invaded Biafra through Gakem in Northern Cross River and Nsukka area.
Ojukwu never declared war on NIGERIA. Unless saying we don't want to share a country with you lots again means declaring war on you.

4. Nope. NIGERIA economy died when Awolowo after economically crippling the Igbo during the war and post civil war, rushed to advice Gowon to declare indigenization policy.
You guys through this inherited all the foremost colonial companies in Nigeria which you ended up mismanaging and running to the ground.
Nigerian economy died when Awo out of greed made Gowon take away the 50-50 sharing formula between the region and FG on resources, so that you all could suck the defunct Eastern region oil dry.
The end result is that you all gave up on your coacoa and the North gave up on her Groundnut and you all went to drink crude oil.
Now the country is mono economic and heavily dependent on Crude oil.
And here you are blaming Ndiigbo.
For your failure since 1970 till today.

Ekealterego:
Someone called out this revisionist more than 10 years ago.
Bkayy, Slayerforever

I called her out as non Igbo since 2009.
But I never thought of the Ijaw angle.

It's interesting to see that no one can deceive everyone at same time and Everytime.
ChinenyeN was found out by some Igbos long ago.
But it took up to ten more years for the rest of us to catch on it.

ChinenyeN managed to block the Igbos from exploring the Opobo and Bonny question on this forum for a whole decade with her Ijawcentric cunning posts while hiding behind fake Igbo veneer.

Her cup in this forum is full as far as masquerading as Igbo is concerned.

Ofodirinwa:
So why is the LGA Chairman of Ikwerre LGA Samuel Nwanosike?

Because Ikwerre have parts that still use Nwa for Nwa.

Ekealterego:
The "Wa" for "nwa" is also common in Ndoki, Ngwa and some parts of Imo state

The "Nda" for "nna" is also common in "Akoli" and some other parts of Bende in Abia state. However, they do not use it in their names, although it is basically used instead of "Nna".

Nkanu people in Enugu say "Wa" for Nwa. But for sake of Igbo Izugbe, they spell it as Nwa, yet pronounce it as Wa.

Ofodirinwa:
Nwo = possess/have
Nwa = Child

There's a place in Ikwerre called Omo Nwa, so i hope we're not saying Nwo is child in 'Ikwerre language'

Nwo is Nwa in Ikwerre.

Nwa
Wa
Nwo

Are all ways Child is said in different parts of Igbo.

ChinenyeN:
We also need to be aware that the Ijaw had a nasty habit of giving their own names to communities that already existed, and having those names (in many cases) displace the name that the community themselves originally went by.

The name Okoloma has mostly been displaced by Beni/Ibeni (now Ibani/Ubani).
The name Khana has mostly been displaced by Igoni (now Ogoni).
The name Obolo has mostly been displaced by Idoni (now Andoni).
The name Umueze has mostly been displaced by A Dokiari (now Ndoki).

This is something the Ijaw were known to do as they more and more expanded into the eastern delta region. The trend is clear and obvious to see here.

Lol!
What in Alagoa's rotten name is the above?
Where in Ndoki history was the above ever recognized?
This Ijaw woman, you are actually overreaching now.
Ndoki is derived from "Anyi Ado kee" meaning what are we dragging.
Has nothing to do with Adokiari or whatever rubbish you Ijaws dream up. I am surprised you have moved on from Aminandokiari to now "A Ndokiari". You lots make this thing up along the way and as you Wish, right?

Ofodirinwa:
I take it you dont know what north means either?north of Bonny is Rivers Abia and Imo.

Please don't say what you just said to me in public.

Bonny was settled in the 1500s by a group of settles from the Northern Igbo hinterland

This is what you wrote.

Northern Igbo and not North to Bonny.

Ofodirinwa:
Bonny was settled in the 1500s by a group of settles from the Northern Igbo hinterland who named the land Okoloma after the Okolo which was abundant there and still is. If you don't know what Okolo is, or Okoloma means you don't know Bonny history.

Prior it was unsettled because there was no need to live there until the arrival of europeans as it proved to be a valuable access route to markets of the west through slavery, ivory and oil trade. Before the opening of the atlantic, there was nobody to trade with in that area

Don't create unnecessary ambiguity.
Bonny has nothing to do Northern Igbo(Anambra, Enugu and Ebonyi).
Bonny and Opobo is all about southern Igbo (Abia and Imo).
Thank you.

ChinenyeN:
You must be dense, Ekealterego. I would have liked to engage, but you have lost the benefit of the doubt in my eyes, because of your obsession with Alagoa. You're so obsessed that you failed to see that nothing in my statements to SlayerForever in this thread has been Alagoa-inspired. Where you even quoted me was not anywhere near Alagoa-inspired. In fact, I am one of the earliest people on NL to even discuss the Ijaw reauthorization of the 1930s - 1970s (which includes Alagoa's writings). My NL post history is open for all to view and confirm this.

Anyhow, get out of my face, owhno. Have a seat somewhere and stop wasting SlayerForever's so far great attempt at providing defensible materials in this thread. If you want me to ever respond to you again in good faith on this forum, then earn the benefit of the doubt in my eyes, owhnoghowhno nnu la gh. I gala di l'ikohnu nkohnu du gbuo.

You are shameless.
He provided a rational rebuttal you couldn't challenge and you resorted to face saving tactics.
Lol!

adamsmith914:
Enough igbo boyz in the Nigeria National Soccer team, Jehovah punish Nnamdi Kanu for preaching division, Ipobian Demon.

Nah by force to share a country with Ndiigbo? Are you okay at all?

donborg:
The Aro bear Igbo names but they also tell you they are Akpas from Akwa Akpa (Calabar).
This means that they adopted the Igbo names to hide their identity which is Efik. This they did in order to aid them in assimilating into Igbo hinterlands to easily acquire slaves for sale.

Another instance was the Ibini Ukpabi shrine.
The Aros were smart enough to market the shrine not as the shrine of Ibini Ukpabi, but that of CHUKWUOKIKE ABIAMA. In order words most Igbo who went there never knew that the name of the shrine was truly Ibini Ukpabi

Stop writing nonsense.

Aro has two major lineages. The Nnachi and Ezeagwu lineage. Then the Akuma lineage which had come from Akpa(an ancient Igbo race that lived in Cross River).

Aro Never had to adopt Igbo name, they were always Igbo speaking, even Akuma is an Igbo name.
Move on!

naturalwaves:
You forgot Joe Aribo. He was the best baller for us and the best passer of the ball.

True.
He was very energetic.

Iheanacho goal was basically out of nothing. Well deserved man of the match, his moment of sheer Individual brilliance and quality won the match for Nigeria.

Simon Moses all activity and no end product. An Adama Traore-esque performance, carried threat without end product.
Can't cross to save his life, final third decision making is at best juvenile.
Nevertheless, a good outlet to have , but not a match winning player.

Notable mention to Ndidi, was Rock solid in Midfield.

Chukwueze was disappointing, should not start next match after that stinker of a performance.

Okoye the GK made a wonderful save to keep out Salah goal bound effort with his trailing foot.
Going forward. Awoniyi and Sadiq look like downgrades on Osimhen. That's where the problem lies.

Quiny32323:
A typical ngwa man for you, stupid mediocre. I go soon deny my state with these kind of stupid leaders.

No Igbo should fall for this cheap divide and conquer trap.
This moniker is not Igbo.

donborg:
Akpas are from Akwa Akpa. Akwa Akpa is the old name of Duke town in Calabar. Since the natives of Calabar are Efiks, it then means the Akpas are Efiks/Ekois.
https://www.nairaland.com/6925217/true-origin-aro-summary-aro

Nope. The Akpa in this story are not Efiks.
No Efik bear the name Akuma.
Thank you.

Where is the OP.
He should come and continue his good work.

TAO11:
LMAO

Sadly (for you), the joke is unfortunately (for you) on you.
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1st attachment :—‘Best’ Igbo structure from the late-1900s (as proudly posted by one of your chanpions).
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2nd attachment: ‘Best’ Yorùbá structure from the early-1900s (as proudly posted by me when one of your own ‘unjustifiably’ brought Yorùbá into the mix).

Now you know who isn’t developed at all. Wipe your tears quietly.

Cheers.

Where did you get the appellation "best Igbo structure" from?

Bkayyy:
I think I now understand what is happening here. That is the obsession of Aribisala0 with Arochukwu and the Igbo clans that make it up.

In as much as he knows nothing about it, he just imagines it to be exactly like their Oyo where foreigners are the ruling clan.

It is no news that ruling Alaafin clan is of Nupe Origin, who the Yorubas call Tapa

They sacked the Yorubas and took over the Alaafin stool since 16th century

Are you sure about this?
Meanwhile, look at what I found.
https://www.nairaland.com/5636657/invasion-oyo-empire-tsoedethe-king