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buzugee: you are right. which beggars the question. why does 'contentment' seem to elude mankind ? they want more and more of what they will never actually own. its crazy. so many lives have been broken by discontentment. trying to keep up with the joneses syndrome.

1 timothy 6 vs 6 Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth.

Oboy these days contentment is a doctrine that has become out dated in many christian denominations......

Today its prosperity and get everything syndrome....

1 timothy 6:6-10 are verses that are scarcely read in churches today...

But contentment is 1 thing that if we practice,thus can lead to eternal life.........

As for me I intend living a content life......

Its never my aim to be wealthy...I'm never determined to be rich because its gonna be waste when I die....

logicboy01: Dumbass, just because can not see electricity, it doesnt mean i cant feel the shock if I shove my hand into a bare socket.


You christians have faith, you believe in something that has no evidence. Dont compare yourself to atheists who accept evidence

Where is d evidence we evolved from apes??..

Where's d evidence that ur grand father was an ape or a chimpazEeeeeee??

Ur d dumber a**s.....

buzugee: ahhhh but you miss the main point. forgiveness of sin does not equate to forgetting of sin. your sins will be forgiven but you still have to pay for it. God will make sure you do.
galatians 6 vs 7 - Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows

genesis 9 vs 6 “Whoever sheds human blood,
by humans shall their blood be shed;
for in the image of God
has God made mankind.

numbers 35 vs 33 'Do not pollute the land where you are. Bloodshed pollutes the land, and atonement cannot be made for the land on which blood has been shed, except by the blood of the one who shed it.

see the mistake a lot of people make ? they equate forgiveness to being absolved.

Lol...chei buzugee

Ur correct.....

Even when God forgives us we must reap or face d consequences of our actions.....

I have a cousin who had lived a promiscous life and now down with AIDS....

He feels going to church for deliverance and reading d bible everyday will cure him because he claims repentance....

But he forgot to read galatians 6:7...

God can really not be mocked....

Buzugee shake my hand.....

We own nothing in this temporary system of things....

We came naked,and naked we go back......

We brought nothing into d world,neither are we gonna take anything back to d grave....

frosbel: Now we can all see where this false doctrine started !

Tradition is not TRUTH, only Scripture is.

Frosbel u go marry better wife for this research work wey u do.....

This is 1 thing I've always done....

When once I dig deep into a doctrine and find out that its root is in false religion or paganism I just quit believing in such doctrines.....



And d eternal torment in hell fire is 1 of such doctrines that has its roots in d traditions of men.......


Many read bible verses out of context to support false doctrines and its wrong.....


@goshen....

Let me ask u just a lil question...

How much torment in a fiery furnace would make satan feel pains??

Just tell me!!!!!!!!!

If satan and his cohorts will burn in a fire forever, ofcus which wil definitly have no effect on them,then it means Gods gift of everlasting life is being dished out to both parties(both d rigtheous and d wicked)....

Frosbel just explained all what everlasting purnishment means......

Also a question for u....:::

How much torment will death and hades(hell itself) receive??

Will death and hades know and feel d effects of torture??will they be asking for a drop of water from father abraham,that's if ur among d persons who feel d parable of d rich man and lazarus is a story to depict how persons will suffer eternally in a burning fire..??

Because they are also candidates for d lake of fire.......

Please just analyze these points...

Thanks bro......

buzugee: FROSBEL VS GOSHEN. this here is about to be a thrilla in manilla * grabs popcorn *

yall both come on with it now. i want to see spiritual pugilism. textual uppercuts and precept upon precept body-slams. i need to see limbs severed and decapitation with the two-edged sword, the word, that is. these are your weapons gentlemen

hebrews 4 vs 12 For the word of God is alive and powerful. It is sharper than the sharpest two-edged sword, cutting between soul and spirit, between joint and marrow

jeremiah 23 vs 29 Is not my word like a fire? says the LORD; and like a hammer that breaks the rock in pieces

Lol....

Abeg make we share ur pop corn......lol

On who's side are u??

Me na frosbel side I dey o....

I'v always supported his new perspective or stand on this immortality of d soul thing and hell fire tale....

frosbel: So visions are now necromancy , lol.

Necromancy (/ˈnɛkrɵˌmænsi/) is a claimed form of magic involving communication with the deceased[/b] – either by summoning their spirit as an apparition or raising them bodily – for the purpose of divination, imparting the means to foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge. The term may sometimes be used in a more general sense to refer to black magic or witchcraft.[1][2] - Wikipedia


So Moses was in paradise, right ?

Paradise was never mentioned in the old testament all the way to Jesus , why ? Because no one went to paradise, they died and they remained dead till the resurrection.

"And Moses the servant of the LORD died there in Moab, as the LORD had said." - Deuteronomy 34:5

Where does it say here that Moses went to Paradise, none, and you know why, because there is no such thing, lol.


Besides, why was SATAN contending for the body of Moses and not his SOUL ? Surely SATAN would not have cared , since Moses was in Paradise right ?


"But even Michael, one of the mightiest of the angels, did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy, but simply said, "The Lord rebuke you!" (This took place when Michael was arguing with the devil about Moses' body.)" - Jude 1:9

Why also when Lazarus was raised from the dead did he not tell us stories about what the world yonder looked like ? Even his sisters knew he was dead and that Jesus will raise him on the last day and our Lord used the word 'sleep' here, so how can he be sleeping while is soul is on paradise

"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:7

Once the spirit ( breath of GOD ) goes out of a man he becomes not a living soul but a dead body , period.

Stop confusing yourself , brother

Good day !!

I'm still clapping my hands ....good answers

I have been invited for d computer based test....nddc is crazy o

I still continue to ask persons who believe people will literally burn in a fire ,if Satan can actually feel pains....

how much can u torture Satan that will make him feel pains....??

total destruction is d final judgement for Satan and his cohorts..

after all death and well be thrown into the lake of fire...

I wonder if death and hell can also be literally tormented....

frosbel good job ....

@frosbel..good work..

Keep the answers coming...

frosbel: Still waiting for the rich man's name !

Lol......

D question I still ask is::was abraham in heaven when Jesus gave that parable?

[quote author=logicboy01]And they would boldly say that Christianity is about love not evil[/quote



oboy na fact I just tel u...

man has dominated man for too long ...

u can say what u wanna say,it doesnt and it Wont change d fate of human rulership..

Imanuelle: Ur god is alive... Yet u suffer destruction in the north...
Think....
U'll go extinct if dat bombing continues..

lol...just wait bro...atheists can rule for all they can ....

an end to human rulership is imminent....

I got a scripture for u...

logicboy01: nope....majority of them were deists, pantheists, agnostics and atheists.......and few were actually religious. You have got to consider that they were skeptics when the theory of evolution was not popular and the internet was not even around.

Ur problem is u forget that they don't have to be religious......

All they did was believe there must have to be a God.....

Isaac newton was a strong bible student,and he believed in God.......

But he propounded kinematic laws that we study today....

What have u propounded or made??
Nothing!!!

According to frosbel even biro ona never do ona jus dey rant ""THERE AINT NO GOD""...

Local atheists.....just following up ur ancestors and monkeys.....

logicboy01: You cared enough to comment.


E dey pain you? Are you afraid that your religion is going to die in properly developed countries?

Which religion......??

God is alive so what do I care about how atheists rule america or not....

When the time for d destruction of this ungodly system comes u and ur freaking atheists and all human governments would be destroyed....

I don't give a damn about human rulership....they are all a huge failure and they are all heading for annihilation....

Meanwhile u shuld come down here to be d 1st atheist president of 9ja.....

But ready to join ogboni and sea dog like soyinka.....

Lol

buzugee: yall just making this shyttt up as yall going along huh. yall just free-styling the scriptures now huh. doing crossovers and layups and three pointers and whatnot ?

2 peter 2 vs 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; LOL

What's ur point??

D angels were created as imperfect persons??

who cares

musKeeto: Adam and Eve were perfect, but angels weren't?
Who created the angels then?

the angels are perfect too........

logicboy.....

u no well...lol ....if u were attentive to d discussion btw God n Satan u wuldnt b putin up this post..

If God did not forgive adam and eve who were perfect ,how can he forgive satan who was created perfect and who was in d heavens??

logicboy01: Many people always tell me about the story of Job to strengthen my faith but I think it is a wrong story for faith.


Story of Job
-Job is a wealthy man with a family
-Satan sees this and wants God to test his faith
-God allows Satan to destroy Jobs family
-Job is also given disease
-Job remains faithful despite suffering
-The devil is angry and God is pleased.


Any non-christian that is not blinded by faith can see the obvious problems in this story

1) Satan tempts God. God agrees. This is contrary to what Jesus told Satan in the wilderness. Contradiction

2) God/Satan murders a man's family (children) just to test his faith. For all the christians who agree with this, may the same thing happen to you. "do unto others...". How can this be? Taking innocent lives just because you want to test someone's faith. How would you like it if your children were just killed because someone wants to test your faith?

3) God replaces Job's wealth and family at the end. This is what is wrong with the bible. It sees women and children as properties you can replace. Can someone replace your mother? Can someone else take the place of your children? God allows Satan to murder Job's children and later "blesses" him with other children. Can someone shout allelujah? God is here with replacement children.

4) Biological warfare. Job's case is one of the many cases the Almighty uses disease to inflict suffering on others. When a militant religious group uses disease to kill others, do not be surprised....oh wait

Here you are again going gaga...

From the jobs account u read was it Yahweh who killed jobs family or satan??

Just answer d lil question....

truthislight: @cyrexx
Men, what i presented to u where scientific facts and not miracle of any sort.
What i quoted are facts.
I had ask u to present on this thread evidence that the koran contain scientific facts and not miracles.
Pls. Site the koran evidence in black and white so that those reading can relate to it and benefit, not all readers will want to go to the thread u quoted. And NOTE, NOT MIRACLES BUT SCIENTIFIC FACTS.
Or verifiable prophesies. Note, eg. the extinction of Babylon = 50miles from Iran. Site ur reference clearly.

I know u are circumcise, but u will never ask how come human just decided to cut off the foreskin of there manhood to get the real head?
It was this God that u said never existed that told Abraham to do that so that the whole world will know that he created man and that he is God.
So, meaning that in the womb he covered the head of ur manhood to prevent fluid from entering it, but once u came out the head can be expose. Circumcise.

Then, U will tell me that the gods of other nations knew that,
and let there people go with the head of there manhood covered.

Am waiting to see u cite what other Gods have to offer.
If u cant.
Then u know what to do.
Cyrexx, u are not imaginary and the evidence i cited are as real as u.
Am even wandering if u red my post befor replying.
Infact Ijawkid reproduce it for all to see.
Peace.

U said it all bro.....

Perfect......

How else would job had known that d earth was hanging on nothing if not through inspiriation.......

logicboy01: Much of the universe's water is produced as a byproduct of star formation. When stars are born, their birth is accompanied by a strong outward wind of gas and dust. When this outflow of material eventually impacts the surrounding gas, the shock waves that are created compress and heat the gas. The water observed is quickly produced in this warm dense gas.[20]



Einstein was an agnostic and did not believe in a religious god. So you are foolish. Most scientists do not believe in God. nly quacks like Davidylan are creationists

But einsten believed a God existed even if he didn't believe in a religious God....

That's my point......

You are not like einsten....

Einsten knew that some of d worlds wonders can only be attributed to d fact that there is an intelligent designer , a creator...

Abi??

And from ya water analysis,who created d stars and shock wave that gave birth to water....??

How were these stars born??

We can go on and on until like einsten u agree that there must @ least be a God somewhere.....

U think say u no book reach those men??

logicboy01: Who is talking about Dana here? Abeg stick to the point! God was directly involved with Job. Can Job replace his children that he lost? You are here aboasting about rewards and replacement children that God gave Job after. Stop and think, can you replace your parents or children? If you children are killed and wife gone, can you really replace them with another wife and children? The memories andtime spent with the first children will always reain there. The bible sees women and children as things you can replace, that is why the story of Job is like that- very foolish.

If God saves all of us from all physical problems then what is the need for his kingdom??

Go back and read d book of jobs well and get d point...

U'v failed to properly consider that book...

Didn't job get his kids back??...

Besides job and all his kids still died because they all got old...

@ d end of the day everlasting life is the real ish....

Something only those who keep there integrity to God receives....

logicboy01: Well if you can say that easily about somebody's family, how would you like for God to test your faith by "allowing" your family to die? How does your conscience feel? Can you replace your mon/sister/father/brother/children? How would you like if someoene said that God allowed satan to kill them.

What was d end result of jobs integrity....??

The truth is d life has become imperfect,and satan causing mayhem here and there....

Servants of God are sometimes allowed to undergo some refinings...
How??

God doesn't stop every of satans physical attack on his servants...

Some of his servants experienced Gods saving power literally(daniel,the 3 hebrews etc)....while some even were killed though being servants of God(stephen,some of d apostles like paul and james)....



Some were allowed to undergo serious hardships just to build up there faith in God in times of distress...


In all, in this temporary wicked system the only thing we are guaranteed of as servants of God is spiritual protection...

While we will enjoy all of Gods protection in d nearest future...

I know all what I said mite sound absurd to u since u dnt even believe in d scriptures...lol

But that is it bro...

*Point::::....God doesn't cause our problems...

The dana crash was even the fault of d engineers,the 9ja aviation body and the dana airline management...

They were flying that passenger plane with just 1 faulty engine...

That is definitly not Gods doing,but mans carelessness......

The hope of ressurection is d end point because we can't live forever in this present world...

truthislight: Bro, good to hear from u.
Bro, U said some aspect i present are superstition. Well, thats seems an unjust statement given to me since i dont believe in superstition neither will i accept it.
The bible is a vary rational book when viewed from the right perspective or angle.
I did even considered what my options will be if i am to accept the no God option in my earlier post. Let me shear it with u.

Will u consider this as superstition?
I posted this earlier.

"If i am to agree with u, i will then have to assume that the bible is not Gods word, then i have to accept also the following:

A jew leaving in tent 3500yrs ago stood up, look at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth is hanging on nothing And got it perfectly right. Abi?

That a jew leaving in a tenth 3000yrs ago also stood up and looked at the sky and came up with the conclussion that the earth with its oceans is like a ball And got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs ago looked at the skies and knew that there are galaxies and got it perfectly right, abi?

That a jew leaving 3000yrs a go (without microbscope) look at his environ and saw bacterials and gave laws on it prevention from infections, also knew that the diseases thereoff are contagiouse and listed out it preventions and maintenance/diagnoses, and got it right, abi?

that a Jew 3000yrs ago, look at the skies and saw the water vepour going up to the skies to come back as rain, and listed the water circle perfectly, and got it right, abi? etc

that a jew look at his mothers womb and knew that when he was form there was a written code that guirded the process, and got it perfectly right, (DNA) abi?

Why is it that it is only the jews that have this nag for getting it right spot on? But when other well educated men like aristotle attemted it they got it all wrong?(philosophers)

That so many Jews without the assist from any God foretold there history in advance and that of other nations including the extinction of the nation of babylon of which it ruines is still with us just 50miles from Iran?"

Etc, etc etc
Cyrexx
Honestly, tell me which i should accept that i will not look or rather fail? Should i conclude they just got lucky? Those are men natural way of being perfectly insightful?

Will u consider this question superstition?

Bro, there are so much facts from the bible that i get puzzle, and amaze.
from what i read from this site
I some time wander how i wish i have a better avenue to consider this stuff with you.

T®ue sight please let's discuss......

U can email me on wagskehinde@yahoo.com

frosbel: I never gave a second thought to it, always believed whatever I was told ,especially as preaching on fire and brimstone was seen as been tough on sin.

To be honest my view changed about 2 weeks ago, initially I was sceptical but decided to do what the Bereans did, compare scores of scripture from old to new testament.

Remember the bible says God is a Spirit and those that worship him should do so in Spirit and Truth. Also he makes his angels spirits and his servants a flame of fire.

Man is not spirit but flesh, the spirit which is the breath of GOD is what makes man a living soul.

The Hebrew word spirit is represented by רוּחַ pronounced ruwach [/b]and which means breath , or in this instance the breath of GOD.

"the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." - [b]Genesis 2:7

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Therefore we only live because of God's breath in us which males us alive, when we die , it goes back to him.

"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." - Ecclesiastes 12:7

Psalm 146:4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing.
רוּחַ

Same thing I did for tithes and prosperity gospel last year.

The deception is deep, and if we do not read our bibles prayerfully with the wisdom of GOD, we will continue with false doctrine.

"'For in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring." - Acts 17:28

Just to summarise, Man is a mortal living soul because of the breath of GOD in him.

Mathematically,

If Body + ruwach = Living SOUL

Body - ruwach - Dead Body

Therefore Man is mortal not immortal


God bless

Nice explanation....

U just said it all.......

I have always told many that d soul is d person.....


Gods breath is what makes us living souls if not we are as good as dead.....

Even animals are souls......

So the Jehovahs witÑesses have been right all along on this issue

Nice write up frosbel......

Even some who claimed that Jesus's parable of the rich man and lazarus showed abrahÀm was in heaven.....

But Jesus used his own mouth to say no man had ascended into d heavens except d son of man who descended.....

logicboy01: I did not mention "water", I mentioned "rain" because rain was seen as "showers from the creator" by people who thought like Olaadegbu.

Olaadedgbu's point only applies to inorganic things


There is nothing false about my premise.

Oga atheist where did water come from??

Please give me a detailed explanation of where water came from and how d water cycle came about....

I was expecting to say einsten was an atheist so that u for receive knock for ur head....

Newton nkor??

Was he an agnostic or an atheist....

Great men who made inventions still believed there is a God somewhere....

You dat I know that has invented and propounded nothing is out here looking for a proof for d existence of God....

It'll will take u forever ......

logicboy01: Sorry to open with an insult but you are quite ignorant. There is no easy way to tell you about the flaws in your statements.

1) The bible shows how God caused painful suffering in the old testament. Killing Jobs family just to test his faith. Giving the Egyptians (some of whom were innocent) plagues and killing their innocent first born children.

2) God created, everything according to you, therefore, he created leprosy, earthquakes, floods and suffering

https://www.nairaland.com/976130/atheism-not-african-thing-european

God didn't kill jobs kids if u ever read ur bible well...

Satan did....

God only allowed it......

God allowing is not d same as causing.....

U dig??

frosbel: I totally agree , we must always fellowship with other believers but it does not have to be in a formal church setting, though in the right format this is to be commended.

Jesus Christ said, where two or three are gathered in my name , there I am. So a fellowship can be with as little as 2 people or as many as 100.

Remember in the early church meeting in homes was widely practised.

This whole idea that you must go the church like you are going to the office is not biblical.

Do u think d apostles wuld have mingled with some denominations today??

Let's sincerely ask ourselves......

What we see in most denominations today are crazy.....

Did Jesus ever murder any person when he was on earth??