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Ptolomeus: In the 1st century there were many Christian groups fighting against each other for exercising the primacy.
It was Constantine in the fourth century, who appointed the official religion and Catholicism in the Council of Nicea, 325, organized the Catholic church.

MacDaddy01: 1st century christians were slave owners. They were even called pagans by others. They were persecuted.

kay29000: lol! u got me...i need an atheist wife. It is so hard to come accross an atheist girl in this country. I dont want to marry someone who i will av a roblem with every sunday.

But i really am an author and writing a novel right now with an atheist female character in it. Pls i need more comments.

Thanks in anticipation.

buzugee: KEEP THE SEAT WARM FOR ME MATE LOL. i am coming specifically for the peppersoup and mamaput man cannot live by fish and chips alone

buzugee: Congrats Chief. i dey come join una for december hope you aint posted to the north sha. them hausas and fulani is outta control

Goshen360: Thank you all.

Grace be with you, mercy, [and] peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. 2 John 3.

buzugee: Body dey inside cloth Chief. i dey fine we thank God. Trust all is well at your end too.

buzugee: Kingpin General Alhaji Emperor Dr Phd Chairman CEO Field Marshall Ijawkid we troway salute Sir.

MacDaddy01: Same argument can be made for anything.


You see me? You see a image of a reincarnated monkey.



very foolish argument

OLAADEGBU: Jesus' tomb is empty. He is alive!

Guitarlife: Greetings to every body,
can you kindly explain the reason why DLBC misled alot of people in the nineties claiming that the television was the devil's box?
We all know now that all branche's of deeper life at a minimum have a projector with satellite connection but, the TV was expressly condemned then.
It even got some ministers punished and I keep wondering now how many people would have had their dream of a mass communication career aborted.
Secondly, you guy's need to begin to ask serious question's about the legality of tithe.
I expect most of you to defend tithe expressly but, your revered pastors now did worse condemning TV back in the day's.
Thank's.

proo212: @Truthislight

When one begins to overanalyse that is when you get into these arguments....Yes the Spirit came upon Peter and emboldened him, there is not question about that.

In Acts 13, the Spirit spoke like the Bible said, separate Saul and Barnabas unto Me for the work which I have called them. The Spirit spoke and acted like a person. I don't see what the argument is. Even as they went about the work the Spirt had called them, the Spirit stopped them preaching in Asia (Acts 16:6)

That is why He is a Spirit. He can be with you and in you. You have not addressed 1 John 5:7. What is your take on it?

proo212: @Ijawkid, sometimes I wonder what you believe when I read your posts. Yes we can hold to one verse and flog it for what its worth to reaffirm what your mindset already believes.

If the Bible says the Spirit spoke expressly, then literally it means exactly that. Now, does a force speak or guide? Spirit or Ghost, we know these are used interchangeably. Proper Christians have never had a problem with this. In German, we say Heilige Geist and not Heilige Seele. Likewise in yoruba, we say Emi Mimo and not Oku mimo. Some say Holy Ghost, some say Holy Spirit. He is the same person.

Haibe has given a few verses that tells you that the Spirit has these God-like attributes. So if the Spirit is referred to as a He, he belongs in the same place as the other 2 of the trinity.

1 John 5:7 says For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. The issue is you are trying to reduce the Holy Spirit as a bit player in the trinity. The verse above tells you they are one.

If the trinity were a pagan tradition, then it will not be in Christendom, there will be no reference of it in both the old and the new testaments verses.

John 16:5-11
5 “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and none of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6 But because I have said these things to you, sorrow has filled your heart. 7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you. 8 And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 of sin, because they do not believe in Me; 10 of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; 11 of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

proo212: But Jesus referred to the Spirit as a He in John 14 and John 15 and I'm sure you know those verses

John 14:15 15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.

John 15:26 26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me. 27 And you also will bear witness, because you have been with Me from the beginning.

Christ in these 2 verses referred to the Holy Spirit as a He.

Christ also said in Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”

Acts 13:1-2 Now in the church that was at Antioch there were certain prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon who was called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, “Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.

In the book of Revelation, it is said in a few verses the saying He who has an ear let him hear what the Spirit is saying.

From these passages, the Spirit is clearly not an inanimate object but a being. He gave orders for Paul and Barnabas to go out to the gentiles.

I wait for more exposition...

Thinking about this, Acts 1:8 totally debunks the whole JW belief system.

Acts 1:8 8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

buzugee: holy shekpe brewed organically in jerusalem. the good stuff. trust all is well.

buzugee: holy shekpe brewed organically in jerusalem. the good stuff. trust all is well.

Delafruita: i doubt you read the verses i posted.if jesus death wiped away sabbath,why did the apostles and even paul continue keeping the sabbath?

Delafruita: you dont attend church doesnt mean you should pass false information.jesus observed the sabbath,read luke 4:6,
after his death,the disciples observed the sabbath.
read Mark 15:42,16:1,luke 23:54-55,john 19:31,19:42,mathew 27:62,28:1
even paul observed the sabbath.read Acts 13:14,17:2-3,18:4,13:42-44,
dont mislead the poster with your ignorance

shivaclub: It was said that the devil fell there when God throw him out of heaven.

shivaclub: It was said that the devil fell there when God throw him out of heaven.

Delafruita: you are so funny.you guys always find ways to interprete the bible to suit your needs.lemme ask you a few questions-
1.did jesus observe the sabbath?
2.did the disciples observe the sabbath after his death?
3.did paul observe the sabbath?
4.do you observe the sabbath?lemme answer this one.YES,you observe the sabbath by going to church on sunday.one person,Pope Sylvester changed the sabbath from saturday to sunday which is why you observe it sunday.
answer the other 3 questions according to the Bible dictates

ambrosini593: This question have been a major concern to me. Was it on Saturday or Sunday God rested. Some churches go to church on Saturday as their Sabbath day. For examples, Seven Day Adventist and others. Even in Israel they observe Saturday as their Sabbath day. Which of them is the right day?

Freksy: John 1:1
According to King James Version,John 1:1reads : "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God"?
John 1:14 tells us that "the Word became flesh and resided among us." Trinitarians claim that this "Word" (Greek, lo'gos) who came to earth as Jesus Christ was God Almighty himself.

Yet, notice that even in the King James Version John 1:1 says "the Word was with God." Someone who is WITH another person is not the same as that other person. You cannot be WITH yourself.
So even from this translation, two distinct personalities are shown. Also, no third person of any Trinity is mentioned at all.

As for the King James Version's saying in the latter part of John 1:1 that the "Word was God," other translations say something different. Some are as follows:

1808: "and the word was a god." The New Testament, in an Improved Version, Upon the Basis of Archbishop Newcome's New Translation: With a Corrected Text, London.

1864: "and a god was the Word." The Emphatic Diaglott, by Benjamin Wilson, New York and London.

1935: "and the Word was divine." The Bible—An American Translation, by J. M. P. Smith and E. J. Goodspeed, Chicago.

1935: "the Logos was divine." A New Translation of the Bible, by James Moffatt, New York.

1975: "and a god (or, of a divine kind) was the Word." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Siegfried Schulz, Göttingen, Germany.

1978: "and godlike sort was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Johannes Schneider, Berlin.

1979: "and a god was the Logos." Das Evangelium nach Johannes, by Jurgen Becker, Würzburg, Germany.

Also, in 1950 the New World Translation of the Christian Greek Scriptures, published by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc., rendered the phrase, "and the Word was a god."

Do such renderings agree with the grammatical construction of John 1:1 in the Greek language? Yes, they do.

At John 1:1 there are two occurrences of the Greek noun the·os' (god). The first occurrence refers to Almighty God, with whom the Word was—"and the Word [lo'gos] was with God [a form of the·os']." This first the·os' is preceded by a form of the Greek definite article ho. The noun the·os' with the definite article ho in front of it points to a distinct identity, in this case Almighty God—"and the Word was with [the] God."

Considering the above, Jesus is distinct from his father in identity, and like he said at John 14:28, his father is greater than him.

When you quoted John 14:28 and John10:30 what were you trying to prove? That Jesus was lying when he said his father is greater tha him? Or that he is contradictory?

John 10:30
When saying, "I and my father are one," did Jesus mean that they are equal? At John 17:21,22, Jesus prayed regarding his followers: "And the glory which thou gravest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." KJV

Jesus used the same Greek word (hen) for "one" in all these instances. Obviously, Jesus disciples do not all become part of the trinity. But they do come to share a ONENESS OF PURPOSE with Father and the son, the same sort of oneness that unites God and Christ.

A son can express similar oneness with his earthly father today.

At Genesis 2:24 when God joined Adam and Eve together in marriage He said in part: "...and the TWO will become one flesh."
If these strong words of union and oneness were used in connection with God and his son, imagine how people would twist and misapply the scripture.

What can you say about 1corrinthians11:3 ? Recall that when Paul was inspired to give this hierarchy of headship Jesus had already completed his earthly assignment and was in the heaven with his Father, both existing as spirit beings.

MacDaddy01: what are you going to do? Try and get me banned or what?