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Shekpe this morning??

If na shekpe david mean for that psalms u quote then we are all in deep trouble...hehehehehehe...

Dela fruiÞ are u logic boy??

Come out and say it so that we go know where to handle u from....

@diluminati.....

When it comes to music I can't rili just condemn d genres of song people shuld listen to...

What I'll judge is d lyrics persons listen to...

We shuld be choosy....
We can't jus listen to every trash that comes our way...

I knw many christians have started to listen to every and any song that they hear wether good or vile..
But not all..

D only problem I also have is when these songs are dragged into d house of God...then I even get more pissed...

Goshen360: My brother, am fine and very good. I have only chosen to read from behind except for meaningful threads that is edifying, that is what I will contribute to. So much "childish" thing flooding the religious session lately, am not in for that. You know me too well, anything edifying and that will bring spiritual growth to the body of Christ, I will jump in and contribute the Grace of God upon my life.



You and buzugee with shekpe.....all you need is to be filled with the Holy Ghost, not with shekpe, after you go say na jedi-jedi you drink am for....lolz. Anyway, you guys are wonderful people.

Oh that's a good step...

I'll be doing that too....commenting when its necessary and nt jumping into every post to argue...

Its good to know u'll still be sticking around....

And mind u my shekpe is for stomach sake...lol

I don't know about buzu's case..

braine: I thought the same way too. I see some of my christian friends including the Jehovah's Witnesses listen to these songs. They even have the latest of them and I wonder.

Ok the lyrics shuld be d main issue.......

If I have to listen to songs then they shuldnt contain immoral words,words encouraging d use of drugs,words that encourage violence etc...

There shuld be a balance bro...

Balance is d key point....

Because we shuld ponder over wholesome things to upbuild ourselves...

If I may ask u,don't u listen to rythm and blues that have got good,sound lyrics??

@true2God...

Please can u show me the watchtower 1935 magazine if u have it??

1timothy 2:5 says Jesus is d only mediator btw man and Yahweh....

The witnesses solely believe in that bro.......

Abi na lie??

That's why they pray in Jesus name and imitate exactly hw Jesus lived when he was on earth...

Infact I'v come to knw that d witnesses are d very 1's who imitate Jesus's footstep closely....

It surprises me that even as many claim they knw Jesus so much and say d witnesses do nt know Jesus,it is still d witnesses who have imitated Jesus despite there past flaws right down to this moment.....

I culd list them for u if u wanna hear them.....

I know u know them.....

1914 is nt even an issue that has actually bothered me.because all it did was inform me that we are @ d verge of the end of this world....

All d witnesses have done with bible chronology is to convince themselves of where they are in d stream of time and not to celebrate a date called 1914 as if it was an xmas celebration....

I mean every other denomination or bible scholars who have bein intimate with d bible have @ 1 time or the other dabbled into bible chronology...its not a sin...

It shows love for truth....

I've read d interpretations of other scholars as regards bible times,dates,prophecies,when d world would end....
And all I say is good work to them....
It only shows they are concerned about d end of this satan ruled world rather than wasting time hoping for humans to make things right....

That's d same spirit d witnesses have...

There is never a moment d witnesses dnt speak about d end and how they really want the end to come....

Is it bad to have that feeling as servants of God?........

The Jehovahs witnesses didn't 1 day fall from d heavens,that's why adjustments must be made to doctrines that weren't right in d past.......
They are a dynamic people,not a static group...

They are d most peaceful group of persons u culd find world wide,,,,,,

Wars they do not get involved in all in obedience to Jesus commands and principles...

Politics of this world they remain neutral to because they know who rules d world....

I mean d giant steps d witnesses have taken just to adhere to Jesus words,d same Jesus u say they dnt know is what has made them outstandingly different from all other groups....

Like I told u earlier d witnesses have had there flaws,but in all they are what they are today....resolute in praising and worshipping Yahweh through Jesus(Yeshua) the son of God........

Thank u!!!!!

true2god: @ duke4ever i stand evry right right to air my opinion without any1 and i tink it will be reasonable of u to be sensible and have a better manner of approach in all matters. I say and i repeat that jw is a cult. Can u personnally challenge any jw officially errorneous teaching without being disfellowship or called an apostate? Did christ return invisibly in 1914? Has jw changed their teaching so often in recent yr callin dem new light? If u r a baptised jw wat are the two principal questions u were asked before being baptised? Is jesus arch angel michael? Did ur watchtower magazine of 1984 edition taught that not all that witnes world war one will die till christ will return? Have u heard of berth-serim and the comin back of bible prophets in 1935 as taught only by jw? Did jw teach that christ is not the only mediator bw God and man but watchtower bible and track society is the mediator bw God and man? Do u believe in being born again (john 3:3)? Do u pray in Jesus name? Can u pray while doin ur preachin work? Is jw new world translation not different frm all other bible translations (read NIV JOHN 1:1 and compare wat u hav on ur NWT)? Are u not brainwashed dat christendom is evil and dat only jw will escape armagedon? Can u teach with the bible alone without using either a watchtower magazine or reasoning of the scripture booklet? Try that next u go for a preachin work and u will personally xpose jw false teachings. I hav many questions that i culd hav asked u but if u can respond to dis i will take my time wit u and thrash out, for you, the history of jw, their metamorphosis, and mind and information controling tricks dat wil hold, even an intelligent mind, hostage of indepedent reasoining. And its unforuntate that over the year u hav been help spell down by this organization. I hav a good news for u cos light is comin ur way if u r ready to let us reason together.

**born again??.....

Who is born again??

That's 1 hell of a serious topic if u ask me.....

Witnesses believe in persons being born again....
Ofcus its only those who are born again that can inherit d heavens as d bible says...

But d way many view d born again issue is not d way d witnesses view it and ofcus that's nt hw. D bible views it.....

Many say as long as ""u've accepted christ as ur lord and personal saviour"" then ur born again....

Please correct me if I'm wrong......

Also d witnesses do not believe that all wuld have to be born again to inherit Gods kingdom.....
Then we'll have to talk about from abel down to John d baptizer and all those who never even got baptized ,who were under d law of moses, who weren't born again,and also all the unrighteous persons that will be ressurected,but who will still inherit Gods kingdom.....

And that would lead to d fact that nt all righteous persons will go to heaven....chikena!!!

If all what I've said doesn't make sense please tell me.....


If D witnesses are wrong then prove them wrong.....

true2god: @ duke4ever i stand evry right right to air my opinion without any1 and i tink it will be reasonable of u to be sensible and have a better manner of approach in all matters. I say and i repeat that jw is a cult. Can u personnally challenge any jw officially errorneous teaching without being disfellowship or called an apostate? Did christ return invisibly in 1914? Has jw changed their teaching so often in recent yr callin dem new light? If u r a baptised jw wat are the two principal questions u were asked before being baptised? Is jesus arch angel michael? Did ur watchtower magazine of 1984 edition taught that not all that witnes world war one will die till christ will return? Have u heard of berth-serim and the comin back of bible prophets in 1935 as taught only by jw? Did jw teach that christ is not the only mediator bw God and man but watchtower bible and track society is the mediator bw God and man? Do u believe in being born again (john 3:3)? Do u pray in Jesus name? Can u pray while doin ur preachin work? Is jw new world translation not different frm all other bible translations (read NIV JOHN 1:1 and compare wat u hav on ur NWT)? Are u not brainwashed dat christendom is evil and dat only jw will escape armagedon? Can u teach with the bible alone without using either a watchtower magazine or reasoning of the scripture booklet? Try that next u go for a preachin work and u will personally xpose jw false teachings. I hav many questions that i culd hav asked u but if u can respond to dis i will take my time wit u and thrash out, for you, the history of jw, their metamorphosis, and mind and information controling tricks dat wil hold, even an intelligent mind, hostage of indepedent reasoining. And its unforuntate that over the year u hav been help spell down by this organization. I hav a good news for u cos light is comin ur way if u r ready to let us reason together.

So from ur whole write up I can see that u got problems with d following...

**1914
**arch angel micheal
**praying in Jesus name
**a different bible..

What again?

**Its surprises me to hear u ask if d witnesses pray in Jesus name....if d witnesses don't pray in Jesus name,then in whose name do they pray thru to Yahweh??

The question shuld be why do others pray in Jesus name??that question is directed to trinitarians and modalists like frosbel.....

Why pray thru Jesus if Jesus is already d almighty God??
its direct contradiction...

Why not Just find another mediator thru whom u culd get to Jesus....

As far as I knw d witnesses,they pray thru Jesus....they follow due process to get to Yahweh......

**u got a problem with micheal d arch angel??

If I may ask u,if micheal isn't Jesus from all indications from d bible,then who is micheal??

Please I'm ready to learn....

Tell me which other son of God has been entrusted with d responsibility to war against satan and his demons,and to chase satan out of heaven if not Jesus.......

Tell me which angel has that power......

**as for d bible wahala d solution isn't fgr-fetched.......

A freind of mine once ran to me telling me that the NKJV almost sounds like the NWT...

I laughed....

And I then asked him::is it the witnesses that authored that too??

There's one thing I'm sure of,we all do not have d 100% bible in our hands.....

The bible has been tampered with over time centuries even b4 the NWT came into existence....
Even the king james version that many uphold as if it fell down from heaven has got un-imaginable flaws that wuld make 1 stop reading d bible........

I think all the NWT has done is make d bible simple to read,and given sense to bible verses the way they shuld be.....

Especially when dealing with d words GOD,worship......

Words that other translations would use in-appropraitely and foster confusions......

Even other translations have criticized the kjv for including extracts from the latin vulgate into d original scriptures(and that was done all to support trinity)....

If its translation wahala dnt u point hands @ d witnesses,because every bible existing today is under probation.....

Ishilove: Ijaw people and shekpe...e be like sey den use am baptise and breastfeed una, not water and milk

Lol..


My dear .na so we see am o....

Na nature cause am....lol

I fit mix am with fanta give u,hope u go shark small......

@goshen.....

Oboy where u go chuk head put na??

I never see ya brake lights for sometime now...

Missed u bro...

@davidylan.....

Ur welcome...

And thanks for all ur genetic explanation:-).....some things I no understand but I know u good @ whÀt ur doing....

Keep up d good work of telling the atheists that there is a creator....

@buzugee....

I get shepke o.....u go like drink small??

musKeeto: No mind buzu. He missed both of una well well. The guy dey craze sometimes sha...

The story behind those burnt up persons is so pathetic....

I heard that all victims there went fetching fuel from a petrol tanker that fell off d road there in rivers state,and that pix is d end result....

musKeeto: Goshen and IjawKid back. Funny weekend..

Lol

Really funny bro....

I've been busy sha lately....

Also had some internet problems...u knw how 9ja internet servers can go crazy @ times...

How is u??

I'm still wondering how those burnt up fellows are isrealites........buzugee will always make me laugh...lol

buzugee: http://lindaikeji..co.uk/2012/07/graphic-photos-river-state-fuel-tanker.html

Why do u call them isrealites??lol

MyJoe: Yes. I was clear enough all along. The Witnesses boast about this fact (as you have done here) and won't ordinarily deny it. Maybe you were just too busy clapping for thehomer who was just doing "debate" to notice the point I was trying to clarify for him and his readers. The Witnesses emphasise how united they are and in their mistaken view, unity equals uniformity of worldview - which is achieved at the expense of freedom of thought, conscience and opinion.


You put it so well. Your statement would be perfect if we substitute "personal opinion" for "human opinion". Witnessing is a product of human opinions.


Wrong. If you were right, why are matters on which the Bible is not clear, such as (1) blood transfusion, management and related matters, and (2) the return of Jesus, not left to individual consciences or understanding? Why is participation in politics through voting or other means not left to individual consciences?


You cannot say no individual is a mouth piece since God does not speak to you. People do. Or the literature you read, are they printed from heaven? Remember that according to the Watchtower magazine, your FDS is represented by the GB, which is made up of about 12 people - all male, all elderly, nearly all white. These twelve or so people are your mouthpiece. What they say is all that matters to you. Nothing else does. Voicing out a dissent (not an enquiry) to anyone can lead to consequences.


There are many issues the Bible is not clear on and there are many others it is not very clear on. What people do is to use their own opinions to interprete it and then attribute that to the Holy Spirit. Deal with it.

Note: Your answers to my questions so far show clearly that you labelled me wrongly when you called me "dishonest". And I am certainly no "religiouse people (pentecostal/catholic)"

Are u irreligious??

buzugee: LOL oh trust me he around. he got several names now. he incognegro ( incognito ). you the one who aint been around. i know you aint in the valley of dry bones, is ya ?

Lol...
Oh no!!!!

I aint in d valley of dry bones..

I'm around doing my thing....

I wanted to put up a post yesterday bt slept off while preparing it.....

How is u today??
Or are u still in yesterday??

I hate this time differences bro....lol

buzugee: logicboy stays on the run. you know what scripture says right ? PROVERBS 28 VS 1 The wicked flee when no man pursues: but the righteous are bold as a lion.

Lol......

If logic boy catch us we don die for him hand be that o..

buzugee: oh yeah 22 years. 22 years of bowing down to a cross turned him into a bitter atheist. poor soul

Very poor child indeed...

Its been long I seen him around....

Where could he be?

buzugee: i dont bow down to no crosses. thats your sister religion. the catholic church. they like their crosses. there is a fella around here called logicboy. he bowed down to crosses for 22 years

Hehehehehe

Buzu boy u got me laughing my head out....

That's why logic boy ran away so quik without looking back...........

deandavid: c'mon pple think with ur brain, wch color do u tink jesus was? He was from bethlehem in judea, people from there are white, therefore jesus must be WHITE. Stop fooling around, moreover even if there werent cameras 2000 yrs ago, there should be artist. D pictures of jesus u c 2day might nt be accurate abt jesus, bt should b close to wat jesus looked liked.since everybody then grew long beards, hair and all that. Its jst a description. Moreover as a catholic, i believe the cloth veronica used to wipe jesus's face imprinted his face on it, and i also believe jesus appeared to a saint that drew his face, and that picture is still in the catholic church till 2day. To the op's qtn, i dnt knw if it is idolatry, bt i ll prefer the pictures of jesus and saint to pictures of men of God.

Which saint received d vision of Jesus's face??
Name??

OLAADEGBU: You say Mary is not the mother of the trinity but is she the mother of God? Remember that God is the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit, 3 distinct Persons in one. When the Word stepped out of eternity and came to earth through the vessel of Mary He came as a human being and not as God even though He pre existed as God.

oboy where have u been?

oboy no be winners u dey attend?....

one mistake ur makin is that u forget genesis 1 verse 1 Could as well be referrin to more than 3 GODs....

its three in 1 GOD perception that has made u reach that conclusion....

i culd conclude that when GOD said lets make man in our image,he was also talkin to d angels as well...


genesis 1:1 does nt teach trinity....

the word elohim there has been used many@ times in d Bible..

logicboy01: Yes, my kids will live in the most developed countries where religion would be dead or almost dead. Probably in Sweden or Iceland or Norway (or Nigeria if Southern Nigeria/Lagos becomes less religious and more developed)


Your grandkids can live in Northern Nigeria where God ad religion is the opium for deluded and illiterate fools

Lol....

Pray psychopath kids who lack home training and bible training just as ur kids would be won't go around shooting people.....
Just as it happens most times....

Or maybe u'll enjoy it too when ur kids while in d western mumu world becomes gays......
Rubbish!!!!

Ur worshipping d whites...

I've told u to come back to nigeria and show ur strength..lol

logicboy01: Time will not give you any answers. When you die, your brain stops working, no consciousness.

I know....

But ur kids will live to experience what time can do to those who doubt Gods existence........

Generations to come will.......

logicboy01: Shut up. There is no God, no heaven, no hell. Just live your life.

U have d right to believe there is no God....

We've gone round circles in this argument.......

Time will reveal to u wether there is God or not........

No be so??

logicboy01: I see that you have left your pentecostal views. Ijawkid, you're growing into a man. It's remaining for you to drop your belief in the christian God.


As for me, I do not believe in heaven or hell. Heaven is for the poor in mind to feel that there is a sky daddy and a better place for him/her

Lol.....

Heaven is up there...

Aint u seeing it??

My belief on hell has always been this way bro....

logicboy01: Kumuyi is a fraud as well.


The problem does not stop at pastors. Christianity is a fraud. There is no God.


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There is also no logic boy.......

How do u like that??

logicboy01: How do you know hell is real? Which hell do you have evidence for;

a) The cahtolic hell, that has an escape route to purgatory
b) The pentecostal hell only which born again who pay tithes and worship MOGs will escape
c) The pentecistal hell in which you have to accept Jesus and the whole bible literally to escape
d) The unitarian hell in which all good people escape
e) The Jewish hell
f) The Islamic hell
g) The pagan hades

Hell is grave,sheol,hades...

The common grave of mankind...

Or do u have d same distorted view of hell as do many who think its a place where people roast for all eternity.....

I just gave u d real definition of d word hell....

logicboy01: Are you saying that people in other religions like Islam, paganism, hinduism etc are going to hell?

They will go to hell ofcus....

Hell is the common grÀve of man.....:-)

frosbel: No Sir, churches like Deeper life etc also do not celebrate Christmas.

Besides we are at variance at some core issues which can never be settled this side of life.

For example, do you believe that :

1. Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of GOD
2. That the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of GOD
3. That Jesus Christ is the SON of GOD and the fullness of the deity in bodily form


check out the other article I raised on JW, there are about 10 differences in our beliefs.

Ofcus I believe Jesus is the son of God...

But I don't believe Jesus is Yahweh...chikena.....

And as regards born again issue I believe in d definition d bible gave and ofcus if 1 isn't born again he or she can't inherit d heavens....
Witnesses agree on that....

But what d witnesses with d bible will dispute is that all righteous persons will go to heaven....d bible never said such kind of thing...

Where would abraham,abel ,joseph and all faithful patriarchs b4 Jesus came go to??

Would Gods promise as regards d earth being habited by humans forever be shoved aside??


And ofcus d witnesses believe d holy spirit is the spirit of God......its like u really don't know d witnesses so far from ur statements...

What d witnesses don't believe and can't totally agree with is that d holy spirit is the 3rd person in the triune formular....


Jehovahs witnesses as I've known them study d bible from genesis to revelation to make pertinent conclusions that is both logically and scripturally accurate....

And they do research everyday just to make sure they end up believeing the truth and not d lie......

When did u stop celebrating xmas and easter??

frosbel: Simple , the answer is in the same verse you quoted but you omitted it.

"Jonah obeyed the word of the Lord and went to Nineveh. Now Nineveh was a very large city; it took three days to go through it. 4 Jonah began by going a day’s journey into the city, proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.” 5 The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth." - Jonah 3:3-5

Two things to note here :

1. Jonah ....proclaiming, “Forty more days and Nineveh will be overthrown.”

2. The Ninevites believed God. A fast was proclaimed, and all of them, from the greatest to the least, put on sackcloth.


Surely this is easy , right.

If the Ninevites remained steadfast in sin and rebellion, in 40 days they would have been destroyed.

Instead, a fast was declared in the entire city and the citizens repented of their wickedness. This is why the judgement which was to happen in '40 days ' time was never carried out, because the people repented.

Let us read the rest of the chapter :

" When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust. 7 This is the proclamation he issued in Nineveh:
“By the decree of the king and his nobles:Do not let people or animals, herds or flocks, taste anything; do not let them eat or drink. 8 But let people and animals be covered with sackcloth. Let everyone call urgently on God. Let them give up their evil ways and their violence. 9 Who knows? God may yet relent and with compassion turn from his fierce anger so that we will not perish.” When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened. - Jonah 3:6-10


Two things to note here again :

1. When Jonah’s warning reached the king of Nineveh, he rose from his throne, took off his royal robes, covered himself with sackcloth and sat down in the dust.
2. When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, he relented and did not bring on them the destruction he had threatened.


If they had not repented , in 40 days Nineveh would have been destroyed.


Also we both agree that after a long period, they went back into their wickedness and were ultimately destroyed, this was the beginning of the end of the Assyrian empire , Nineveh was it's capital.

Have d witnesses recently predicted d worlds ending??

Have they??

All d witnesses are concerned about is when d end will come and happenings showing d end is near......

If out of some misunderstanding of bible prophecies they made some erroneous conclusion about when d world will end it wasn't because they were false....

It only showed there interest in how bible prophecies unfold and how they will unfold...
Its simply because they are anticipating an end,something other religions run away from...

But in all d witnesses have 1st hand learnt that even Jesus himself doesn't know when d end will come,but only the Father.....
That's why they are called bible students....


those earlier predictions are in d past.the future is what is d koko.......


I'v almost thought ur a witness urself......lol..

frosbel: Why should I

Really??
It seems ur a Jehovahs witness that isn't aware of d fact that he is one....:-).....

Hehehehehehehe